The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Since the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas – from Gaza into Israel – we have been following the events and posting findings on this blog. There have been updates to the attack and then the war in Gaza, as well as details related to the history of the conflict. We have managed to share content on this subject from a wide range of sources, media outlets and platforms.

The information on the blog is spread across several threads and the Search feature is basic. I thought it may help to have all the material we have posted so far, in a centralised location. This would make it a little easier for anyone interested in the topic, or looking for information connected to this conflict to find it. So I am adding this new thread which will contain links to other threads which are related to this conflict.

Posts

3 November 2023
▹ Documentary: The Mystery of Israel – Solved!

28 December 2023
▹ Bethlehem Nativity: Christ Under the Rubble

2 January 2024
▹ 10 Questions and Answers About Gaza

25 February 2024
▹ Lenten Reflection on Gaza by Revd Munther Isaac

9 March 2024
▹ More Insights From Pastor Isaac on Palestine and the Gaza War

Open Threads

As the Open Threads are open to any topic, you will need to scroll through the pages to find the comments which relate to this crisis, including: the Hamas attack, the history and origins of the conflict, the Israeli occupation and the war in Gaza.

▹ Open Thread – October 2023

▹ Open Thread – November 2023

▹ Open Thread – December 2023

▹ Open Thread – January 2024

▹ Open Thread – February 2024

▹ Open Thread – March 2024

▹ Open Thread – April 2024

▹ Open Thread – May 2024

There will be more information added in the comments section of this thread.
If there are new threads on the topic, the links will be added here.


Updated to add:

Posts

7 July 2024
▹ Limp Lettuce Leaves for Rogue Politicians and World Leaders

4 September 2024
▹ Where Do We Stand?

12 September 2024
▹ Western Media Shaping Gaza Narrative With Deception and Lies

1 December 2024
▹ ‘You and I Don’t Live In the Same World.’

Open Threads

▹ June 2024, July 2024, August 2024, September 2024, October 2024,
November 2024, December 2024

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96 Responses to The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

  1. mh says:

    Who is this for?

    There are only two of us here.


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  2. kaysee kaysee says:

    I don’t work for some media company which has huge archives of published info which they can refer to, plus an editorial team, proof readers, fact checkers, legal experts. Or get paid for it. Like everyone reading this, I have a device (computer), internet access, a browser and a search engine. And Twitter which is free to anyone who wants to join. That’s all. But I go digging down rabbit holes looking for info and facts. What I have been learning and posting, could be done by anyone.

    I have no personal connection or stake in Palestine or its people. But in the past seven months, I have learnt a great deal. In the past week, I’ve done a small amount of research on one major component, and I am angry. How much more should the people who have lived in that region, been displaced, had their lands stolen from them, been treated as less than human, injured, wounded, killed, called the villains by the real criminals and then been depicted as uncouth, uncivilised, terrorists, savages, thugs?

    And how many sitting in nice comfy western safe zones have bought the lies for decades and even now, with the facts freely available, still continue to buy the Zionist fabrications?


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  3. kaysee kaysee says:

    Check this first:

    ‘There’s Never Been A Country Or State Called Palestine’:
    DeSantis Rips Pro-Palestinian Protesters
    .

    More here.


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  4. kaysee kaysee says:

    1/
    I will begin the comments on this thread with the subject of “Palestine”. I’ve heard the pro Zionist campers say that there has been no country or state called Palestine.

    Does truth matter to you, and are you prepared to read the details? If yes, come along with me. What I am posting here is from my simple internet research, as mentioned in the comment above. I am not an authority or expert. I have time limitations and am busy with other personal issues. But I have the desire for the truth, the wish to learn, and then to pass it on. I am providing as many links as possible by way of validation. If you have evidence to refute anything posted here, please do so. If the facts prove me wrong, I have no problem with admitting it and learning what is the truth.

    If there has been no such state or country or region called “Palestine”, or if the inhabitants of this territory were illegals, nomads or barbarians, how do we explain any of this?


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  5. kaysee kaysee says:

    2/

    1947

    The map of Palestine was published by National Geographic magazine in 1947, a year before the Nakba.
    .

    But the Zionists call it Palestinian Propaganda.


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  6. kaysee kaysee says:

    3/
    1945-1946
    a/
    A Survey of Palestine

    This survey is in a document which is 539 pages prepared between December 1945–January 1946, for the information of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. You don’t need to read the entire document; just a quick scroll through would be informative.

    To make it easier, I am posting a few pages as images.
    b/
    Cover Page
    The document is named: A Survey of Palestine.
    For the information of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry.

    Printed by the Government Printer, Palestine.
    .
    c/
    Page 2
    There is a stamp to show that the online copy was made from the American Jewish Committee Library
    .

    Why did no one from the Anglo-American Committee object to references of “Palestine”, “Government of Palestine” if these were errors? Documents were printed on the Government Printer, in Palestine.


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  7. kaysee kaysee says:

    4/
    (contd.)

    d/
    Letter from JVW Shaw,
    the Chief Secretary to the Government of Palestine.

    e/
    Table of Contents – pg 1

    Table of Contents – pg 2


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  8. kaysee kaysee says:

    5/
    (contd)

    f/
    The first page of Chapter IV
    The Central Government and its Finances

    The first sentence
    The organic law establishing the constitution of Palestine is the Palestine Orders in Council 1922-1940 ……..

    g/
    A table on Jewish Immigration


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  9. kaysee kaysee says:

    6/
    a/
    From the same survey but posted by Al Jazeera.
    Jewish immigration to Palestine

    b/
    Posted on twitter with this comment.
    Here this is my family members birth certificate. It’s just before Nakba. This is not AI.


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  10. mh says:

    ‘There’s Never Been A Country Or State Called Palestine’:
    DeSantis Rips Pro-Palestinian Protesters

    Ron is controlled by his donors who are Jewish, and ferocious Zionists.

    Same with Trump.


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  11. kaysee kaysee says:

    7/
    1945

    Letter From President Roosevelt to King Ibn Saud,
    April 5, 1945

    The letter contains 3 references to “Palestine” and 2 to the words “that country” including this:

    I have received the communication which Your Majesty sent me under date of March 10, 1945, in which you refer to the question of Palestine and to the continuing interest of the Arabs in current developments affecting that country.


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  12. kaysee kaysee says:

    8/
    1939

    Letter from President Roosevelt to Chancellor Adolf Hitler
    asking him not to attack the independent nation of Palestine.
    April 1939

    This is the relevant portion which is in the last para of pg4 carrying over into the first para of pg5 of the letter.


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  13. kaysee kaysee says:

    9/
    1939

    John F Kennedy’s 1939 Letter to His Father After Visiting Palestine

    JFK wrote a letter to his father in 1939 after a visit to Palestine. He gives an outline of the historical situation and his experience there:

    Read the letter.
    And his observations in the final paragraph:

    The sympathy of the people on the spot seems to be with the Arabs. This is not only because the Jews have had, at least some of their leaders, an unfortunately arrogant, uncompromising attitude, but they feel that after all, the country has been Arabic for the last few hundred years, and they naturally feel sympathic. After all, Palestine was hardly Britain’s to give away.


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  14. kaysee kaysee says:

    10/
    1917

    Balfour Declaration 1917

    “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

    Interview with Jacob Rothschild
    Discussing the Balfour Declaration.

    JFK’s letter to his father (comment above), he says with reference to this Declaration:
    After all, Palestine was hardly Britain’s to give away.


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  15. kaysee kaysee says:

    11/
    1899

    Article in the New York Times
    20 June 1899

    Conference of Zionists
    ….
    Will Colonize Palestine

    Digitized version


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  16. kaysee kaysee says:

    12/
    1678

    The story of American Palestine, a land of corn and soybeans in the US

    On the outskirts of the US State of Illinois, close to the border with Indiana, lies the small and sleepy village of Palestine, where “everybody knows everybody.”…

    French explorer Jean Lamotte named the region in Illinois Palestine in 1678, as it reminded him of the “land of milk and honey” — a reference to the State of Palestine in the Southern Levant region of West Asia.


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  17. kaysee kaysee says:

    I decided to post this section on “Palestine” in reverse chronology as it seemed to better to roll it backwards from 1947 going back to 1678, rather than tracking forwards from 1678 and then coming up to 1947.

    There are more links available, but time does not permit me to explore further on this.

    I have a bit more to add related to this section – will do it tomorrow.


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  18. kaysee kaysee says:

    To complete this section on “Palestine”, a brief look at what life was like in this country – through photos and descriptions – pre-Nakba (1948).

    a/
    Palestinian society
    There are five photos – scroll through
    .

    b/
    District of Gaza
    looked like this
    .

    c/
    What Was Palestine Before the Nakba?


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  19. kaysee kaysee says:

    d/
    The photo archive bringing pre-Nakba Jerusalem alive
    .

    e/
    Against Erasure:
    A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

    Through its stunning collection of images of Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Against Erasure tells the story of a land full of people—people with families, hopes, dreams, and a deep connection to their home—before Israel’s establishment in 1948, known to Palestinians as the Nakba, or “catastrophe.”

    Denying Palestinian existence has been a fundamental premise of Zionism, which has sought not only to hide this existence but also to erase its memory. But existence leaves traces, and the imprint of the Palestine that was remains, even in the absence of those expelled from their lands. It appears in the ruins of a village whose name no longer appears in the maps, in the drawing of a lost landscape, in the lyrics of a song, or in the photographs from a family album.

    For this launch event, Mohammed El-Kurd and Nadi Abusaada will discuss the Palestine depicted in these breathtaking photos, and how their existence is a testament not to nostalgia, but to the power of resistance.


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  20. kaysee kaysee says:

    f/
    My Palestinian parents were made refugees in 1948.
    This is what they taught me more than 60 years ago

    My parents were Palestinian refugees who managed to rent an apartment in the city of Nazareth after their village, Ma’Alool, 10 miles to the west, was destroyed by the advancing Israeli army in 1948.

    .

    g/
    From the above article, this photo:
    A view of Nazareth in the 1920s.


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  21. kaysee kaysee says:

    From the river to the sea

    1/
    Imagine for a few minutes that the university student protests were about Black Lives Matter.

    There is a group of BLM students sitting on uni campuses in Australia (and the West) with BLM flags and signs saying Black Lives Matter and chanting slogans. Another group sits a short distance away with signs that say White Lives Matter and repeat their slogans.

    The students in the BLM group complain to uni authorities and media that they feel threatened by the actions of the White Lives Matter group. They have also seen a few Nazi salutes being sent in their direction. They demand protection from uni authorities. They appear on ABC shows and complain about how unsafe the campus is for black students. How the behaviour and actions of those in the opposite protest group makes them feel terrified. They can provide some emotional stories of how some white person approached them and started bullying them.

    How would conservatives and the right wing react to this? Well-deserved ridicule and mockery. Commentators and writers in a certain media group would be talking about free speech and the rights of all to protest. They would sneer at the need for “safe spaces” for one group of students who felt scared because of some words, phrases or signs.


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  22. kaysee kaysee says:

    2/
    Zionist students in western countries like Australia are claiming they feel threatened by slogans (from the river to the sea) and gestures (Nazi salute). That same media group which had no sympathy for a woke group of students, is now running regular bulletins on how universities and their campuses have become unsafe, frightening places for Zionist students and professors.

    There are Zionist students and faculty, along with influential Zionist organisations, criticising the government for not doing enough to protect these vulnerable, defenceless, innocent Zionists from anti Semitism.

    If students or faculty have proof of physical violence or intimidation or doxxing, by all means report it because that shouldn’t be permitted. But Zionists in western unis claiming anti-Semitism and fear due to slogans and gestures?


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  23. kaysee kaysee says:

    3/
    We have parts of the Western world, including in universities, that are not safe for Zionist students? They are in fear for their lives?

    Now, we’ll take a look at current university life in Gaza.

    a/
    The destruction of Gaza’s universities

    During the current war, twelve of the sixteen university and higher education campuses in Gaza have been severely or moderately damaged. At least four have been completely destroyed. None of Gaza’s 88,000 university students have been able to attend classes since the war began….

    b/
    Destroyed in January, Al-Israa University was the last standing university in Gaza

    Israa University in Gaza was built in 2014, and at the time of its destruction its main building had been occupied and converted to military barracks by the IDF for 70 days. It was also used as a detention center and a base for snipers to shoot civilians.

    c/
    Two days ago,
    Israeli soldiers set fire Aqsa University’s library in Gaza City and took pictures of themselves in front of the flames.


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  24. kaysee kaysee says:

    4/
    Since we are on about student protests in the West, the links above are just examples about the destruction of universities in Gaza. Universities have been destroyed. Students cannot attend classes.

    I have not included what has been done to hospitals, homes, churches, mosques, office buildings and other infrastructure. The area is being bombed. They don’t have homes, food, medicines, the basics of life.

    Let’s talk about Rafah.
    I have seen videos and photos of parents in Rafah carrying the badly burnt, disfigured bodies of their dying children as they rush about for help. I have seen pictures of the charred bodies of children on hospital beds awaiting treatment. The images are gruesome. I haven’t posted any because they are horrifying. What about the reality? I cannot imagine what physical pain these children are enduring, their fear, or the agony of their parents watching them helplessly.

    Tell me again about these Zionist students in western universities petrified by some slogans which they conveniently want to interpret as life-threatening?


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  25. kaysee kaysee says:

    5/
    The Zionists want to make everything about themselves and their victim hood. Anything that doesn’t fit in with their plan is antisemitic or a threat to destroy Israel.

    There is no problem with the phrase From the river to the sea if used by Zionists, but it becomes antisemitic, and interpreted as the elimination of Israel, only if non-Zionists use it.

    a/
    From the Jewish Virtual Library, the Likud Party’s Original Party Platform
    This isn’t a threat to Palestinians?
    An elimination of Palestine?
    .

    b/
    Netanyahu’s son can say From the river to the sea but Palestinians can’t.
    No offence caused in this case?
    .

    c/
    Riyad Monsour, The Palestinian Ambassador to the United Nations:
    “For all those outraged by the slogan ‘from the river to the sea,’ this is the map that the Israeli Prime Minister raised here at the United Nations….erasing the nation of Palestine and the Palestinian people.


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  26. kaysee kaysee says:

    6/
    Zionists do not want a two-state solution. They want the area from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea to be completely Zion land. If Palestinians say the same, it is made out to be a threat. It may well be that the meaning depends on who says it and how they say it. But to decide that one side can say it without penalties and the other side is censured, shows us that this is all set up to achieve a system that will favour Israel and cause destroy Palestine.

    For many Palestinians who have been oppressed and enslaved, this phrase is a cry for freedom and equality.

    a/
    ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means

    In other words, after 1948, Palestinians were not able to live with full freedom and dignity anywhere in their homeland.

    That’s how the call for a free Palestine “from the river to the sea” gained traction in the 1960s. It was part of a larger call to see a secular democratic state established in all of historic Palestine. Palestinians hoped their state would be free from oppression of all sorts, from Israeli as well as from Arab regimes.

    b/
    The ‘River to the Sea’ Rorschach test

    So in a way the current controversy mirrors the findings of Young and her colleagues: Whereas many Palestinians see “from the river to the sea” as an expression of their concern for fellow Palestinians, many Israeli Jews and pro-Israel Americans see it as an expression of hostility toward Israeli Jews.


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  27. kaysee kaysee says:

    7/
    c/
    It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”

    The crowning irony regarding claims about the hatefulness of such a phrase—one university administrator described it as “genocidal”—is that this idea is far more than a simple slogan where Israel is concerned. Rather, it captures the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967. Israel controls all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, an area that for all intents and purposes constitutes a single state under a single security regime and a single sovereignty.

    d/
    The story behind ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’

    “It is a shorthand for declaring that wherever Palestinians live in historical Palestine, whether citizens of Israel or residents of occupied territories, they suffer from some form of oppression, and this must end,” says an expert on human rights in the Middle East,

    The slogan essentially expresses the desire for a unified Palestine state stretching from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.

    e/
    The non Zionist Jewish Council of Australia

    In our interpretation, and as it’s explained by Palestinian people the world over, ‘From the River to the Sea’ is a call for freedom and equality for all people, Jewish and Palestinian.


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  28. kaysee kaysee says:

    8/
    Zionist – ‘River to the Sea’ – supporters.
    If only they would put their own country first.

    a/
    Australia
    David Littleproud
    Littleproud calls on Anthony Albanese to ‘expel’ Labor senator Fatima Payman
    for ‘River to the Sea’ comments
    .
    b/
    Netherlands
    Geert Wilders
    .
    c/
    Germany
    Berlin
    criminalizes slogan ‘From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free’


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  29. kaysee kaysee says:

    Mediator: Folke Bernadotte

    1/
    Why has it not been possible to arrive at a peaceful solution to this conflict?
    Is it possible that one side is actively seeking to block any attempt to have this crisis resolved? Even to the point of murder?

    Here is the story behind one mediator: Folke Bernadotte

    From Wikipedia

    Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish nobleman and diplomat. In World War II he negotiated the release of about 450 Danish Jews and 30,550 non-Jewish prisoners from many nations from the Nazi German Theresienstadt concentration camp. They were released on 14 April 1945. In 1945 he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected by the allies.

    After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties. Upon his death, Ralph Bunche took up his work at the UN, successfully mediating the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and Egypt.


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  30. kaysee kaysee says:

    2/
    A Mideast Mediator’s Murder in Palestine 1948

    On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization.

    Count Bernadotte’s presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.

    In this capacity, he succeeded in achieving an initial truce during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and laid the groundwork for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.

    .

    #NAKBA 71
    Doesn’t sounds like an acceptable plan if it seeks justice for both sides.


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  31. kaysee kaysee says:

    3/
    More Info
    Folke Bernadotte, First UN Mediator, Assassinated on This Day in 1948

    After his initial proposal based on the Plan did not gain wide acceptance by the sides concerned, Bernadotte produced a revised proposal. He was assassinated by members of the Jewish paramilitary group Lehi (“The Stern Gang”) on 17 September 1948 before he could present it….

    .

    Short clip
    ……..

    This is not even a secret. He was assassinated by a Zionist group in 1948. They didn’t just drive away and kill Palestinians, they murdered a UN diplomat.


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  32. kaysee kaysee says:

    7 October 2023

    1/
    Zionists and their supporters will justify the current genocide by saying it was started by Hamas on October 7. That Israel has a right to defend itself. That it was a massacre. That Hamas should have released the hostages. That the war is just to get rid of Hamas.

    Their supporters are buying that – that under the “Hamas” excuse the innocent are being killed, injured, displaced and Gaza is being razed to the ground. There actually are western Zionist supporters saying these things happen during a war. Wonder if they will say that if one of their own was involved. Or if it was the other way around and the Israelis civilians got killed.

    The media shock-horror over stories that on October 7 babies were beheaded and there was mass rape carried out by Hamas. That the rules of war regarding innocent civilians are being ignored by Israel. That’s okay too.

    Whenever there is outrage over a bombing, like the one yesterday, simply call it a tragic mistake, and move on to the next bombing.

    After all, Hamas (and their Palestinian supporters) started it on October 7.


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  33. kaysee kaysee says:

    2/
    Wrong.

    It did not begin on October 7. It did not begin with Hamas.
    It began long, long before Hamas was formed.

    I posted comments yesterday about Folke Bernadotte, a diplomat, who had negotiated the release of prisoners (Jews and non Jews) from a concentration camp. He understood both sides – Arabs and Israelis – and was in the best position to formulate a plan to resolve the issue. But was assassinated by the Zionists, who, 76 years ago, did not want a peaceful solution.

    If there was truly a desire for peace, this conflict would have been resolved, in 1948, with both sides expected to honour the terms. So, which side didn’t want the peace?

    It did not begin on October 7.
    It began 76 years ago. Or earlier.
    Before Hamas.

    October 7? No.
    .

    What about October 7th?
    Once he’s completed the forward count, he needs to start backwards – for 76 years.


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  34. kaysee kaysee says:

    3/
    More on October 7

    I am posting this video again. All the lies Israel had spread . The world believed the lies about decapitated babies but turning a blind eye away from the actual footage of decapitated babies from Rafah. Share this video again and again . Remind them with the lies that allowed this to happen

    .
    We’re told that Israel has a right to defend itself.
    UN expert:
    Israel does not have the right to self-defense on land it occupies
    .

    Still prefer to think that it all started on October 7, and Israel has the right to defend itself? It is not a genocide because Israel is only targetting evil Hamas?


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  35. kaysee kaysee says:

    4/
    Before proceeding further, let’s take up Hamas, its existence and how it grew into a powerful organisation.

    I have already posted on this in the Open Thread.
    Here and 3 comments starting here.
    A total of 8 links to information about the role of Israel in the rise of Hamas.

    The comments so far have provided background information – about the history of Palestine, the phrase “from the river to the sea”, the attempts for peace, October 7 and Hamas. The attacks and escalations are moving at such a rapid pace it is hard to keep posting in some historical chronology.

    From here on, I’ll move back and forth (past, present, latest) with articles, videos, clips and any other information. I already have saved links and, daily, there are more that get added. I’ll post and share as much as I can.

    Anyone wanting to add to the comments is welcome to do so.


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  36. kaysee kaysee says:

    I’ve heard there’s going to be a doco, this evening, on television called Never Again. Has anyone informed Netanyahu that Australians are saying Never Again?

    It’s not that kind of Never Again?
    I’ve misunderstood?

    It’s
    “Never Again: the fight against antisemitism.”
    The promo says:
    With antisemitism dangerously on the rise and Australian values under daily attack, it’s a call for our leaders to take urgent action before it’s too late.

    So Never Again.
    Never Again.
    Never Again.

    It is still about only one group of people in the world that matters to the exclusion of others? Only one group of people being persecuted on the whole planet?

    Never mind the