Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

Hi Cats,

As you can see I have created a copy of the Cat for you to continue to bicker, argue and occasionally make a reasonable point.

I do hope a solution is found with the original Cat but just in case Sinc doesn’t want to transfer the site to a new generation I have built a replica before the closure so we can migrate as many of the community across as possible.

Programming Note: I rushed out the site so there will be bugs. I can get them fixed but did not want perfection to get in the way for progress.

Community Note: Please let as many cats know of the new blog as soon as possible so we can capture the magic of the original. In particular would love for the original posters to continue their great work here.

Ideological Note: I am an infrequent poster but long time reader of the Cat. The discussions there have been a huge part of my own ideological growth on many issues. In particular free speech is key for me so will have a very similar light touch to the original Cat, potentially adopting my one policy on an earlier forum I built: “No D***heads” which is subjective but surprisingly easy to implement.

Website Note: I will run the Cat as close to possible as the original because I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel. However if the community so wants I am happy to make changes to improve the experience so if you have any ideas let me know. For anything specific hit me up at the contact form, else go nuts in the comments.

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3,112 Responses to Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

  1. dover_beach says:

    Cat on Locals finally came through. As I said on the old Cat, I cobbled together a Cat on https://catallaxyfiles.substack.com/ and one on https://catallaxyfiles.locals.com/ to see how people like the format and functionality of either. You can, depending on the platform, report posts you think need moderating, you can filter posts, follow members of the community, and so on. Locals works as a open forum/ newsfeed, dotted by specific content/ posts. There are features a like about both that are not shared so trade-offs need to be made. So go and have a look-see and let me know what you think.

    This is offered during the interregnum in the year of our Lord, 2021.


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  2. Old School Conservative says:

    Cracks are appearing in the narrative of the pro-vax lobby.

    Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young has doubled down on her criticism of the AZ vax for younger Australians.

    And PvO in The Oz has unwittingly added fuel to the fire by criticising Young. (Downright dangerous) He’s just opened the door to criticising “the Science” and Health officers in MSM outlets.


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  3. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Cohenite – It’s worse even that that. The Biden regime is deporting Cuban refugees back to Cuba. I hate to think what happens to those poor souls when they fall into the Cuban authorities’ hands.

    Biden admin sends 27 Cuban refugees trying to escape Communist hellhole back to Cuba (30 Jul)

    Only left-voting illegals allowed into Bidenistan. There’s hypocrisy and then there’s breathtakingly evil Democrat Party hypocrisy.


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  4. Roger says:

    ” ‘Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog’

    Should we keep this? What the hell is centre right in 2021?”

    Well, like libertarians, those on the centre-right used to have liberty as the guiding light for their beliefs. If you want a laugh (or a cry), go check out some of the ‘What we believe’ sections, bedecked invirtual cobwebs, on state Liberal Party websites.

    Given the lack of appreciation for liberty among our elites and, it seems, a fair swathe of the general population, perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.


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  5. Tom says:

    There is no place on this or any other iteration of the Cat for anti-semitism, as the former site owner/publisher discovered. Anti-semitism is illegal under Australian law and allowing it to be published is a recipe for self-annihilation.

    Graeme Bird is a mentally ill anti-semitic bigot who keeps coming here under new pseudonyms to spew the racist bile he is now fixated on. He is a stark example of what happens to intelligent people when they become unhinged from morality.


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  6. Muddy says:

    Carpe Jugulum says:
    August 3, 2021 at 10:52 am

    Must nearly be time to show the whole Cat Lexicon again, there is some very pithy content there.
    ***

    The February contributions were very productive – I think you might have submitted Dansturbator then, but I’d have to check – this time? Not so much. It’s an upheaval period though, and not everyone is here.

    My plan was to make one more plea in November, and then publish the whole shebang late that month or early the next.

    Maybe you’re right though?
    Hmmm, I’ll mull it over. Thanks for the feedback.


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  7. mh says:

    ‘Given the lack of appreciation for liberty among our elites and, it seems, a fair swathe of the general population, perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.’

    I like that, Roger.


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  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Adam, do you have any contingency planning in place for any occasion when you may for whatever reason be unable to attend to this site? Just asking, for peace of mind’s sake.

    Tom would be a safe pair of hands for such an occasion and I suggest, with astonishment at my temerity, that you two could be in contact re the running this site and drawing up a series of failsafes with other indviduals for the maintenance of the site.


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  9. Sancho Panzer says:

    Sancho is a real name.
    Panzer is not a real name.


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  10. jupes says:

    Monty:

    I have a very well-develop bullshit detector …

    LOL. Stupidest comment so far on the new Cat. Well done you gullible twit.


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  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.

    No. Just no.”

    If this site is as ‘dead’ as you suggest, Grigs, then why do you care?

    Sinc allowed Vikki’s pieces to be main threads at times.


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  12. struth says:

    Anti – semitism is illegal under Australian Law.

    ………………………………………………………says Tom.
    So is closing state borders, state governments making law regarding quarantining etc etc.
    I agree, we have no room for anti-semitics here, but we are now a virtual tyrannical communist police state, and the left are in power.

    Talking badly about Sco mo or Gladys is going to get us in more trouble than an anti-semite.
    He’ll probably gets paid by them.
    Not excusing him, and yes I agree he is a nut job.
    Australian Law…..you do make me laugh.


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  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.’

    I like that, Roger.”

    It has some merit but is likely to be misunderstood.

    In contra view, this site has always stood for a political philosophy of liberty and individualism. I do not think the descriptor should lose that tradition, and the ‘centre right’ probably encompasses that in a broad Church that is generally understood.


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  14. srr says:

    Timcast IRL –
    **Survivor Of Mao’s Cultural Revolution Says Its Happening Here**
    w/Lily Tang Williams
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Enhi6wIk8E


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  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Australian Law…..you do make me laugh.”

    It’s a question of what they may choose to close us down with, Struth.

    As well as a matter of what we are prepared to accept as our standard.


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  16. Sancho Panzer says:

    Who is Graeme Bird?
    Are some postings not seen?


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  17. Tom says:

    As other have said here, John Paul Watson’s latest, The Fall of Australia, is a must watch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KScb7XjzE


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  18. twostix says:

    There are also more than 400 of the state’s health workers in quarantine, including all of cardiac surgeons for the children’s hospital.

    Insanity.


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  19. cohenite says:

    Graeme Bird is a mentally ill anti-semitic bigot who keeps coming here under new pseudonyms to spew the racist bile he is now fixated on. He is a stark example of what happens to intelligent people when they become unhinged from morality.

    Correct. Bird, when he puts what is left of his brain which is squirming like a toad to work on such things as alarmism he is good value but he consumed by antisemitism. I told you bird, you had some goodwill but you keep shitting in the hands of that goodwill; you need help:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc


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  20. min says:

    Sancho , Don Quixote ‘s offsider perhaps ?


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  21. struth says:

    They’ll close us down anyway, Lizzie.
    It’s not if but when.
    Australians have insanely “safetied” themselves in to tyranny on an inescapable island.
    Our society is sick and cowardly and deserves to die.
    And die it will.
    Very quickly now.
    Some of us may not deserve to go down with the rest, but that would have been the case in every tyrannical takeover in history.
    A while ago I said I was a marked man for which Frank scoffed.
    I certainly am a marked man.
    But so are all of you.
    Some more than others of course.
    And the time is drawing close.
    And underneath, you guys know it.
    No matter how you scoff, you know now, eighteen months later what is really happening here.
    If we don’t fight we will very soon, have no contact with each other and there will be knocks on the doors.
    Not just after me.


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  22. Rorschach says:

    I don’t know about that Monty. You support that pervert Biden and can’t see what that man is, or don’t want to see.

    …ZING…


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  23. John A says:

    Gilbert & Sullivan often had appropriate dialogue for all manner of situations. From HMS Pinafore:

    All. Goodness me,
    Why, what was that?
    Dick. Silent be,
    Again the cat!
    All. It was again that cat!
    Capt. (aside). They’re right, it was the cat!


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  24. Wally Dalí says:

    The Overton Window may shift- the Cat stands eternal.
    Libertarian and centre-Right.


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  25. twostix says:

    Agree with m0nty and lizzie, in its infancy this place needs quick and careful tending to on all fronts – improvements, moderation otherwise it will wither. Notice people are already dropping away.


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  26. Mark A says:

    Bit naughty but I thought it witty.

    So the transgender weightlifter failed to register a clean snatch.


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  27. Rorschach says:

    Sancho is a real name.
    Panzer is not a real name.

    For what it’s worth, I thought it a clever name. Sancho – the Don’s ever trusting sidekick, and Panzer – armoured tank.


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  28. egg_ says:

    “I agree he is a nut job.”

    Isn’t a psychopath just a low IQ sociopath?

    Fitting, in this case.


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  29. min says:

    A volunteer for women’s health information was sacked because she went to media about hospital banning fathers in birthing unit as a support person . She claimed that 50% of patients could not speak English so without hubby there was no one to translate nurse instructions . In NSW this is against DHHS rules so it has been remedied .
    The point I am making is the area and the number of non English speakers . No wonder it is so difficult to stop spread . Chairman Dan shut down immediately all the tower blocks where they lived , however now they have taken out a class action against him as inhabitants closed down without food , medication etc and it took a few days to organise this.


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  30. egg_ says:

    “Australians have insanely “safetied” themselves in to tyranny on an inescapable island.”

    The wreck of the Batavia?


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  31. dover_beach says:

    Testing.


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  32. mh says:

    ‘Notice people are already dropping away.’

    Do you miss Rosie?


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  33. egg_ says:

    “So the transgender weightlifter failed to register a clean snatch.”

    Was that remark approved by the itty bitty titty committee?


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  34. dover_beach says:

    Agree with m0nty and lizzie, in its infancy this place needs quick and careful tending to on all fronts – improvements, moderation otherwise it will wither. Notice people are already dropping away.

    I’ve out up two alternative sites that have different formats and functionality for commenters and admin. Both have their pros and cons. I’ve linked to them on Discordant Cats and at the old Cat. I can’t seem to get the links working here. Might be worth popping over and seeing if you like what they provide.


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  35. Top Ender says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.”

    Yes. Just yes.


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  36. johanna says:

    Poor Adam must feel like he has a roomful of fractious toddlers to wrangle here.

    A couple have pooed on the floor and smeared it on the walls. Several are yelling ‘Daddy, daddy, look at me!’ while they demand gratification of their personal wishes. Now. Another group has started a fight in the corner. Somebody’s grandmother is there giving reams of unsolicited and pompous advice, because grandmothers are special, or some equally inane ‘rationale.’

    Adam, hopefully you have a thick skin and a sense of humour. You’ll need it. 🙂

    From me, thanks for everything, and you just do what you think best, when you can.

    Sound cancelling headphones are the go when you are trapped with toddlers.


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  37. Tom says:

    Poor Adam must feel like he has a roomful of fractious toddlers to wrangle here.

    Plus he has a day job.

    We trust him to do what’s needed when he can.


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  38. srr says:

    “m0nty says:
    August 3, 2021 at 11:00 am
    You also seem to not know the difference between, “srr” & “SSR”.

    SSR is short for USSR, which is your name on the Cat.”

    I knew I could rely on you Monty, to dob Bullyboy JC & The Crew in for their usual bullshitting & smearing of those who refuse to sell The Party Lies, those they want to drive out.

    The funny thing is that JC’s job of, Tagging For Bagging, is well known by regular Cat readers, but it’s nice of you to educate any newbies who’ve been brought here by all the talk of The Cat’s death & resurrection.


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  39. Sancho Panzer says:

    Thank you for explaination Cohenite 11:34.


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  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Article, from the Australian. “Restore confidence and trust in the military.” Good luck!

    “Defence releases a plan to restore trust and confidence in military”

    Ben Packham
    FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
    @bennpackham
    26 minutes ago August 3, 2021
    1 Comment

    Defence has set out a four-year process to reform ADF culture and command accountability, weed out wrongdoers and strip medals from unworthy recipients, in its long-awaited response to the Brereton war crimes inquiry.

    The report, placed without an official announcement on the Afghanistan Inquiry website in late July, sets out a plan to restore trust and confidence in the nation’s military forces restore the ADF’s reputation, and to improve its ability to spot warning signs of improper conduct.

    Released eight months after the Brereton report alleged 25 Australian soldiers were involved in the murder of 39 Afghans, it sets out a series of “work packages” to address the past and present recurrence of the behaviours identified.

    A “transformational reform” package will be delivered over more than four years to the end of 2025, focusing on organisational arrangements, chain-of-command responsibility, recruitment and performance management.

    Defence Minister Peter Dutton says he wants to send a “very clear message” of support to the ADF, by overruling the decision to strip troops of their medals in the aftermath of the Brereton Report. Three thousand special forces soldiers were set to be have their citations removed More

    The 36-page document says by the end of the 2021, Defence will have addressed 90 per cent of its responsibilities in relation to “specific allegations of wrongdoing against individuals”, and determined whether additional action is warranted.

    It flags criminal, disciplinary and administrative action against individuals implicated in wrongdoing. A review of honours and awards will also be undertaken, with medals and gongs potentially being revoked.

    By the end of the year, a whole-of-government approach will also have been developed on compensating victims.

    The plan says Defence will become “more data informed”, helping it to “identify indicators and warnings” of bad behaviour.

    In the forward to the document, Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell said and Defence Secretary Greg Moriarty said they accepted responsibility for the failings in systems, culture and accountability exposed by the Brereton report, and would work to restore the ADF’s reputation by undertaking “deep and enduring reform”.

    General Campbell said the plan would “restore the moral authority, trust, confidence and respect essential to achieving the Defence mission”.

    He said senior officers had been appointed to oversee each element of the reform package, and would be held “personally accountable” for their delivery.

    “Through the initiatives in this plan, we reinforce our capacity to meet the standards necessary for and inherent to our profession of arms and hold people to account for past failures and wrongdoings,” he said.

    “We do so to restore the trust, confidence and respect essential to mission success, future capability, effective partnerships, the safety of our people and the nation to which we are responsible.”

    To support the response the CDF has ordered two new studies be undertaken: A “consideration of organisational learnings” from the Afghanistan experience, and an independent report on tactical-level individual and command performance and behaviour.

    An independent study of Australian special forces and their operations in Afghanistan by Professor Tom Frame, already revealed by The Australian, will also form part of the response.

    General Campbell said all members of the ADF would have to absorb “the learnings and changes in command, leadership and behaviour arising from the Afghanistan Inquiry”.

    “The people of the Australian Defence Force must be in no doubt as to what is expected – the highest professional, ethical, legal, and command accountability standards,” he said.


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  41. miltonf says:

    Yes belly achers will belly ache- good on Adam.


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  42. mh says:

    Is Adam the guy who was/is living in Europe?


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  43. woolfe says:

    What johanna said, and:

    Thanks Adam and Everyone involved in re birthing DaCat!


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  44. rocinante says:

    johanna says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    +++ eleventy Johanna.
    Adam has done a sterling job – almost a miracle in the timeframe involved.


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  45. Cardimona says:

    Adam – thanks for what you’ve done here, it’s always nice when someone rescues stray Cats.

    G’day Cats
    Recently I wrote to ScoM0ron with some criticisms.

    That letter has formatting and links which would be difficult for me to reproduce here, so I’ve screenshot it and put it here – https://imgur.com/a/fi2dpPA

    I’ve just had a response, which is here – https://imgur.com/a/R3uPTAp

    ScoMao seems to believe that the TGA has fully approved the AZ and Pfizer deathjabs.
    Have Cats heard this to be true?
    Does that mean that the TGA would now carry some liability?


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  46. Ruprecht says:

    Well said Johanna and Tom. There has been some self serving twittering going on that is a mask for other concerns. Be thankful to Adam and let him solve what he can when he gets time.


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  47. rickw says:

    “Kim il Morrison has turned this place into North Korea.”

    In a sea of global vested interests, Scumoron creates a National Cabinet of vested interests.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Just spoke to the old bloke. Tractor club is in doubt for tomorrow, apparently a hard border close is imminent. Not sure how that’s going to play out in the border cities where half the joint works on the other side of the river.

    These people are barking mad. If the ADF were ever to be deployed it should be to shoot any cop that attempted to enforce state border closures.


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  48. Eyrie says:

    “Defence releases a plan to restore trust and confidence in military”

    And there I was thinking they were going back to getting better at breaking things and killing people.


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  49. Moonshiner says:

    dover_beach says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:04 pm

    I’ve out up two alternative sites that have different formats and functionality for commenters and admin.
    I wouldn’t mind taking a look Dover. Not fussed on Discord though so would you be able to paste them here just as text? Don’t worry about any HTML formatting – just an address I could copy and paste into a browser window. (As long as it’s not Gay Boys in Bondage.com!)


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  50. rocinante says:

    These people are barking mad. If the ADF were ever to be deployed it should be to shoot any cop that attempted to enforce state border closures.

    ————————————————
    The ADF are deployed in Sydney as of today, and they are not there to shoot cops.


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  51. rickw says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.”

    Indeed, I think it’s important to get the articles going!


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  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Given all the uncertainties that still prevail, and in hope that this site will be the one that works, I am putting up my full list of all contact sites where Cats may lurk now, or be driven to lurk due to some unforseen cataclysm.

    Adam’s clone site: http://catallaxy-files.com/

    Arky’s thoughts site: https://rumble.com/c/c-1012003

    Dot’s $79 US per month site: http://www.newcatallaxyfiles.com

    Dover Beach’s subscription site: CatallaxyFiles (substack.com)

    Nilk’s Discord site : https://discord.gg/Hx2eVcMK
    Getting into Discordant Cats: https://discord.com/invite/VKbGrqHM
    Discordant Cats URL: https://discord.com/channels/870154322476945408/870154322476945411

    National Library Cat Archive: Catallaxy Files – Trove (nla.gov.au)

    Cut and paste somewhere handy for you. Next to your Firs Aid cabinet.


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  53. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Whew. At last. I have made a comment that has gone into moderation.

    I am pleased. Shows mods are being applied.

    It was simply a big list of all the Cat sites that have appeared since Doomsday.


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  54. srr says:

    “mh says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:20 pm
    Is Adam the guy who was/is living in Europe?”

    No, this is Adam D, the Dilbert Avatar guy from way back, not the white water tackling, “Adam P, Gentleman adventurer” 🙂


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  55. miltonf says:

    Re comments earlier about the corrupt corpse polluting the White House, do the left really like him or is their hatred of middle and working class Americans (and Australians) so strong that they are happy to pretend to like him?


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  56. Terry Pedersen says:

    Scotty Mengelson again failing Communications 101 live on TV. A talking head and slides that are too complicated to read on my very large TV screen. How much of our money is going to the Doherty Institute to produce and present this rubbish?

    Scotty intercedes: It’s gunna be just like the flu.”
    Talking head ignores him and continues with gibberish.


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  57. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    Is Adam the guy who was/is living in Europe?

    That is he.
    @mh


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  58. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    No, this is Adam D, the Dilbert Avatar guy from way back, not the white water tackling, “Adam P, Gentleman adventurer”

    Yet he links to Adam the whitewater rafting macho he-man adventurer.
    Furthermore, in morse code terminology, he’s “sending with the same fist” as Adam the whitewater rafting macho he-man adventuter.


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  59. Ragu says:

    Dot – I might start blogging here.

    You should. The last post of yours I remember was around about 2010 and that animated victory speech that went on for 15 – 45 mins.

    Don’t do that again.


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  60. srr says:

    This is by the Adam who was/is in Europe. I always liked his writing –

    We are few – Hold Fast
    BY ADAM ON JULY 30, 2021 COMMENTS 18
    I once dated an American chick. Briefly. She was nuttier than a feral cat in a shoebox and the bedroom antics did not make up for the moon level lunacy. But one thing that struck me about her was the number of prescription meds that she took on a daily basis. Her collection of official pills rapidly took over all available space in my then rather small bathroom. She had pills for every imaginable condition imaginable.

    And that was the thing – she wasn’t sick. She didn’t need this stuff, but she had been brainwashed by medical propaganda to stuff her gob with an endless amount of medicine because that was what a healthy person does, supposedly.

    READ MORE – https://pushingrubberdownhill.com/2021/07/30/we-are-few-hold-fast/
    PREVIOUS
    Never start a land war in Australia
    NEXT
    In the Firing Line


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  61. Grigory M says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.”

    A link on the Open Forum to any Campion articles in the Cairns Post would be more than adequate. None of her articles posted on the now dead and gone catallaxyfiles.com generated any worthwhile discussion.


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  62. Mak Siccar says:

    Another incisive analysis by James Allan.

    https://spectator.com.au/2021/07/any-conviction-politicians-out-there-hello/

    Any conviction politicians out there? Hello?
    Conservatives have been betrayed by the hollow men and women

    James Allan
    31 July 2021

    9:00 AM

    Speaking quite broadly one can say that there are two sorts of politicians. One operates from a set of principles that guide his or her decision-making. The other abjures those type of guiding postulates in favour of far more short-term considerations. So this second type might obsess about focus group polling or what the main press outlets will say about his or her government. The PR people will tell such politicians to dress up their lack of guiding principles in terms of ‘pragmatism’, though a moment’s thought helps you realise that shunning core principles is every bit as much of an ideology as is a core commitment to, say, small government, freedom and individual responsibility. There are no ideology-free approaches; it’s just that some ideologies, or systems of ideas, are anchored to foundational beliefs and others to that day’s focus group results. Both count as ideologies. In my view, however, one sort is not only far more attractive it also delivers far better long-term results.

    Take Governor Ron DeSantis in Florida. Had he been a focus group-driven ‘pragmatist’ Florida would never have completely opened-up some eight months ago. Remember, at the time that DeSantis forswore all lockdowns he was called a grandmother-killer by much of the press and a ‘neanderthal’ by many top Democrats. Instead, this Yale University and Harvard Law School graduate took a broad cross-section of advice (not just from the incestuous public health class which makes ‘deaths from Covid’ and ‘zero risk’ their seemingly only matrices of concern), read the data rather than what even by then could be seen to be highly flawed modelling, and opted to open up, focusing protection only on those who need it. And he stuck by that call. Today, Florida has the highest net inflow of internal American immigration; its small businesses have thrived; and despite its older population it has roughly the same Covid deaths per million as lockdownista California and a much lower tally than world’s worst New York state, with far lower unemployment than both (measured properly, not as here). Oh, and this commitment to principle has paid off politically too as DeSantis now has a double-digit lead over his Democrat challengers in next year’s gubernatorial contest. In fact, he polls second-highest (to former President Trump) amongst Republicans to be their 2024 Presidential nominee. And take it from me, the Democrats (and their collaborators throughout much of the mainstream media) are petrified of him. They will throw everything they have, or can make up, at him.

    Meantime we have Mr Morrison. If there is a set of guiding principles lurking somewhere deep down inside the man it would require an electron microscope to catch a glimpse of them. This is the most focus group-driven government I have ever seen. We are witnessing in real time the hollowness, the feebleness and the brittleness of government by those who have no guiding commitments. That is how a supposedly small government Liberal party under ScoMo has been responsible for the biggest peacetime increase in the size of government, in spending, in destroying small businesses, in ruining the lives of the young and in making the biggest inroads into the freedoms and civil liberties of Australians in the country’s history. (The last of these, I note in passing, has gone virtually unremarked – if not being wholly supported – by all the usual suspects in the human rights brigades in this country’s law schools and law firms. Hypocrites!) It is also the government that has overseen this country’s worst instance of intergenerational theft. Frydenberg’s and Morrison’s stimulatory fiscal policies amount to a wealth transfer from young to old, from our children and grandchildren to us oldies. And their stimulatory monetary policies amount to a wealth transfer from non-asset holders to asset holders, from poor to rich. That, dear readers, is real immorality.

    It was with all this in mind that I recently had a discussion with a fellow right-of-centre conservative voter who agreed with most of the above but asserted that ‘voters like us have no choice; ScoMo is better than Albanese’. My reply was that in terms of freedom, spending, defending internal borders and most of the Covid-related idiocies, we may well have been better off under Labor. Put bluntly, there is good reason to think a Shorten government would have been no worse in responding to Covid and possibly a good deal better. Why? Because democratic politics is not a one-party game. It is just not true that the winning side is wholly unaffected and unconstrained by the positions taken by the opposition. Had Shorten been in office when Covid hit he and Labor would have faced a Coalition opposition, probably one without ScoMo as leader. As an opposition supposedly committed to freedom et al., there is a good chance (the woeful state iterations notwithstanding) the Coalition would have pushed back against the world’s highest per capita spending during the pandemic, against some of the world’s harshest lockdowns (whose efficacy is everywhere called into question not least because we are still resorting to them fifteen months on), against the moronic ‘National Cabinet’ idea that gives premiers power without fiscal (or any other sort of) responsibility, against wimping out on the s.92 challenge – the list goes on.

    Governments are influenced by their oppositions. This is doubly true when the leaders of the governing party are wholly without guiding principles. The best option for such hollow men always looks to be to park yourself an inch to the right of Labor, a smidgen your side of what they want – on the assumption your voters have nowhere else to go and will adopt the view of my conservative friend. Alas, that sort of attitude is a losing one in the long-term. Unless there is a point at which you say ‘thus far and no farther’ and refuse to vote for your side, you can’t discipline your chosen party. And today’s professional class of politicians only really understands being disciplined, hollow as they are. This is what the Brexit party did to the Tories and Canada’s Reform party did to the Conservatives.

    Sure, as a voter it’s harder to discipline the Liberal party here in Australia because unlike in those other places we have a preferential voting system that acts as a protection racket for the two major parties – at some point you simply have to pick between your team and the other side’s and if you pick your team yet again, well, what does it matter if you didn’t give them a first preference?

    For those of us on the right side of politics there is much to think about before we cast our ballots next year. We might decide simply to choose no Liberals or Nationals at all for the Senate. We might summon the will to preference Labor this one time only to send a big message. We might withhold our financial support or our campaigning help. We will all decide differently. What can’t continue is for the Coalition to be led by those without any convictions or principles. The long-term costs are too high and dire.


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  63. Roger says:

    “Defence releases a plan to restore trust and confidence in military”

    Does it involve Gen. Campbell resigning?

    If not it’s just window dressing.


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  64. Old School Conservative says:

    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:39 pm
    Is Adam the guy who was/is living in Europe?

    That is he.

    Nope, srr’s answer above is the way I see it.


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  65. srr says:

    Test … test …
    clicking on “newer comments” is just taking me back to the top of the page.

    “johanna says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:06 pm” remains the last visible post.


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  66. Mak Siccar says:

    And, when James Allan’s critique is combined with Delingpole’s critical analysis, the future for true conservatives looks very bleak indeed.

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/08/02/conservative-is-now-a-dirty-word-in-the-uk/

    Delingpole: Thanks to Boris Johnson, ‘Conservative’ Is Becoming a Dirty Word to Actual Conservatives

    JAMES DELINGPOLE. 2 Aug 2021

    Conservatism is the new fascism. So says Kathy Gyngell, the co-editor of one of Britain’s last genuinely conservative news outlets, which is why in disgust she is changing its name from The Conservative Woman to TCW Defending Freedom.

    In a piece titled Farewell to the Contaminated C-Word, Gyngell expresses her horror at ‘the fascist depths to which [Boris Johnson’s] government, hiding behind the name Conservative,’ has plumbed.

    One look at yesterday’s newspaper headlines should be sufficient for readers to understand why we are no longer prepared to risk the reputational damage of having the word conservative, albeit with a small c, in our name. We think it is irreversibly contaminated.

    I know exactly how she feels. Some commentators, notably Peter Hitchens, have been warning for years that the Conservative party abandoned conservatism decades ago and that its complete destruction is the only solution. But many of us have for years clung naively to the hope that somehow the right of the party might one day reassert itself, as it did in the era of Margaret Thatcher, and that the ‘Wets’ who have been dragging it ever leftwards would finally be consigned to oblivion.

    Fat chance. Hitchens was right all along. Those of us who believed that the Brexit vote might have given the right of the Conservative party a fillip were wrong: there really is no ‘right’ of the Conservative party. Nor, for that matter, is there any conservatism within the Conservative party.

    This became obvious recently when Jacob Rees-Mogg tweeted out his support for the green agenda. When even the supposed standard-bearers of the party’s right no longer bother to disguise their true allegiances, you know that there is no hope of redemption for the Conservatives.

    Rees-Mogg is a particularly egregious example. But as Gyngell correctly points out, not one MP in the entire party has shown any ideological backbone or moral courage because not a single one has resigned ‘in protest against this lying discreditable sham masquerading as a democratic Conservative government.’

    Every single one of these men and women has signally failed to take the only real stand they could, and still can – which is to dissociate themselves totally from this corrupted government and the party that so blindly supports it. If there is one thing they should know by now it is this: they are fooling themselves if they think their morally depraved government can’t sink any lower. Each and every time it does. That is the fixed pattern.

    And the tragedy is you won’t read these sentiments expressed anywhere in what passes for Britain’s mainstream ‘Conservative’ press. That’s because it is now entirely bought and paid for by the government.


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  67. Steve trickler says:

    I’ll probably cop a few proverbial punches to the head. Any and all ADF on the streets “following orders” can fuck off.

    Anzac Day.


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  68. Top Ender says:

    Re article, from The Australian, posted by Zulu.

    Apparently “medals” are different from “gongs”, according to the writer.

    No matter, meanwhile the floggings will continue until morale improves, for “A review of honours and awards will also be undertaken, with medals and gongs potentially being revoked.”


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  69. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    Mark Siccar: Thank you (the James Allen link)


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  70. Ragu says:

    Great, the Grigorrhea infection is back.


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  71. mh says:

    Sal & SRR in disagreement on which Adam.

    The Adam I was thinking of was a 70kg power lifter. I think he lived in Holland.


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  72. Sancho Panzer says:

    The Mushroom Whisperer.
    Forgive me.
    You post is hard for me to understand.


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  73. egg_ says:

    “Re comments earlier about the corrupt corpse polluting the White House, do the left really like him or is their hatred of middle and working class Americans (and Australians) so strong that they are happy to pretend to like him?”

    I’ll plump for B).

    Another Obama-like empty chair.

    US Vice News (on SBS “Vice” channel, for whom Keating’s daughter, friend of Prince Andrew, works) was saying how stealthily Biden manoeuvred to get Green legislation through the Senate past the Republicans.

    The man who eats dribble off his chin?


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  74. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    I see Birdie has the top of page position for another fine piece of anti-Semitism.

    Your thoughts, Johanna?

    Adam, the man who made this site happen, has particularly asked us to let him know what we think. Some of us are doing just that. I too think the arrival of this site constitutes a miracle of sorts. Hence its survival is important.

    Sorry you are not a grandmother. You have missed out there. Honorary grandmothers are OK too though. You’re old enough.


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  75. mh says:

    ‘Test … test …
    clicking on “newer comments” is just taking me back to the top of the page.’

    The refresh button works for me.


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  76. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    The Adam I was thinking of was a 70kg power lifter. I think he lived in Holland.

    That is Adam the whitewater rafting he-man adventurer.


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  77. Dot says:

    “Dot – I might start blogging here.

    You should. The last post of yours I remember was around about 2010 and that animated victory speech that went on for 15 – 45 mins.

    Don’t do that again.”

    I reserve my decision to Bane’s Peoples’ Courts.


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  78. struth says:

    Now are we ready to ask why at this particular time did Sinclair close down the cat.
    I absolutely understand and I don’t hold anything against him for doing so. He has done way more good over the years than most.
    However in light of my last comment, why now?
    As Australia falls hard to the tyrannical left.
    How much pressure would a professor in an Australian University be under?

    By the way Adam, I got exactly the same response from a certain breed of Australian when I did the convoy.
    It is a sickness of the mind and it was the reason that for all of it’s 220 year run, Australia couldn’t achieve anything.
    Sometimes it appears as the tall poppy syndrome.
    Sometimes it appears as sniping from the sides when you actually try to achieve anything, and sometimes it appears as if they are there to judge and demand things of you.
    While being nothing but oxygen thieves themselves.

    Loath them and attack them all the while knowing there are many good people out there that appreciate what you do.
    Love your work so far Adam, and appreciate your effort.


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  79. srr says:

    I’m pretty sure white water rafter Adam also went to Holland and as he was a serious rafter I’d expect he’d also do lifting to keep fit between seasons. It takes a lot of strength to work against seriously fast white water.

    Oh and Adam D, in case you’re worried about doxing, it was Adam P himself who introduced us to his work, books & blog, here at the cat.


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  80. egg_ says:

    Scotty intercedes: It’s gunna be just like the flu.”

    Ah, with Frankenvax in hand, Brave Sir Scummo marches forth – until the next mishap.


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  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Our honorary grandmother is the very lovely and smart Jewish lady who married Hairy’s father. She has been a wonderful step-grandmother to our children over the years.


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  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Sadly, our honorary grandmother has had no grandchildren of her own, although she does have a son.


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  83. incoherent rambler says:

    I’m getting the word UNCLEAN printed on my T shirts.

    And on the sign in the front yard.

    UNCLEAN


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  84. struth says:

    120 year run….even worse


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  85. egg_ says:

    How much pressure would a professor in an Australian University be under?

    Unlike anonymous numpty Hall Monitors.


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  86. srr says:

    Thanks mh, refresh button it is. 🙂


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  87. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Has anyone seen Top Ender?

    I hope he knows about this site.


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  88. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    I’m out.
    Adam is Adam, P or D, or he is Roger, or Percival, or Cuthbert, or whoever.
    You never really know who you’re talking to on the internet & people can be whatever name they wish online.
    Somebody else can be bogged down with inanities.


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  89. Roger says:

    “Has anyone seen Top Ender?

    I hope he knows about this site.”

    TE was here this morning, Lizzie.


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  90. cohenite says:

    miltonf says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:39 pm
    Re comments earlier about the corrupt corpse polluting the White House, do the left really like him or is their hatred of middle and working class Americans (and Australians) so strong that they are happy to pretend to like him?

    No one likes biden; before he became demented he was arguably the most corrupt pollie in the US, a big call I know but the extent of his inbred family’s treasonous dealings has became apparent. Biden was and is a seriously corrupt bastard.

    The people behind him don’t like him and he has no public support – the Whitehouse had to disconnect the like and dislike buttons on their You Tube posts because 10 people liked them and 10s of thousands regularly disliked them; no one turns up for his public appearances except Trump supporters and if it wasn’t for big media and tech biden would be in jail.

    The real POTUS is obuma of course and obuma treated biden like the spastic he is. I can’t believe that has been overlooked for so long. And obuma is a real plant: a genuine, US hating Manchurian.


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  91. rocinante says:

    “For those of us on the right side of politics there is much to think about before we cast our ballots next year. We might decide simply to choose no Liberals or Nationals at all for the Senate.”
    —————————————-
    A pointless exercise. Labor are 100% in bed with what is happening and the suggested “solution” only guarantees more of the same. Besides, government resides in the HoR, not the Senate.

    The only solution available now short of street riots and armed insurrection is next election (assuming there is one), number the sitting member last in the HoR, if they represent the Liberal, Labor or National parties. Number whoever you like number one, and list preferences in whatever way you choose, just so long as the sitting Liberal, labor or National is LAST.

    Liberal, Labor and National combined occupy 145 of the 151 seats in the HoR under our rigged system, so most people have one as their local member. In NSW which has optional preferential voting simply don’t include the sitting member at all.

    The only time the parties come into it is if the sitting member is retiring. In that case number their replacement party candidate last.


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  92. Tom says:

    Has anyone seen Top Ender?

    Yep. He’s been posting regularly at the new Cat (experimental edition).


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  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Aaaargh. Hairy’s just reminded me.

    I have an online funeral to attend.
    I need to at least get out of my dressing gown.
    For civility and decency’s sake, even I’m the only one to know.
    And now you all know too. I will look respectable to honour the dead.


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  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Goodness, so he was. I read that comment but missed the commenter.

    Control F took care of it just then, so that’s working here too.


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  95. Chris M says:

    “the corrupt corpse polluting the White House, do the left really like him or is their hatred of middle and working class Americans (and Australians) so strong that they are happy to pretend to like him?”

    No-one like the senile husk. Even Hunter (read his emails) or Jill (he’s just a useful husk).

    Funny and a little cute how folks here talk about choices and parties in the next election with the assumption there will be one (emergency times remember) and that it would be fair (hardy har har). It isn’t even safe to campaign and besides your message had to be censored because it was a threat and contained misinformation, sad about that and all.


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  96. Steve trickler says:

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:
    August 3, 2021 at 1:13 pm
    Has anyone seen Top Ender?

    I hope he knows about this site.

    —-

    He’ll be around.

    The Forgotten History of the Australian Slouch Hat


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