Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

Hi Cats,

As you can see I have created a copy of the Cat for you to continue to bicker, argue and occasionally make a reasonable point.

I do hope a solution is found with the original Cat but just in case Sinc doesn’t want to transfer the site to a new generation I have built a replica before the closure so we can migrate as many of the community across as possible.

Programming Note: I rushed out the site so there will be bugs. I can get them fixed but did not want perfection to get in the way for progress.

Community Note: Please let as many cats know of the new blog as soon as possible so we can capture the magic of the original. In particular would love for the original posters to continue their great work here.

Ideological Note: I am an infrequent poster but long time reader of the Cat. The discussions there have been a huge part of my own ideological growth on many issues. In particular free speech is key for me so will have a very similar light touch to the original Cat, potentially adopting my one policy on an earlier forum I built: “No D***heads” which is subjective but surprisingly easy to implement.

Website Note: I will run the Cat as close to possible as the original because I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel. However if the community so wants I am happy to make changes to improve the experience so if you have any ideas let me know. For anything specific hit me up at the contact form, else go nuts in the comments.

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3,112 Responses to Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

  1. dover_beach says:

    Cat on Locals finally came through. As I said on the old Cat, I cobbled together a Cat on https://catallaxyfiles.substack.com/ and one on https://catallaxyfiles.locals.com/ to see how people like the format and functionality of either. You can, depending on the platform, report posts you think need moderating, you can filter posts, follow members of the community, and so on. Locals works as a open forum/ newsfeed, dotted by specific content/ posts. There are features a like about both that are not shared so trade-offs need to be made. So go and have a look-see and let me know what you think.

    This is offered during the interregnum in the year of our Lord, 2021.


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  2. Old School Conservative says:

    Cracks are appearing in the narrative of the pro-vax lobby.

    Queensland Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young has doubled down on her criticism of the AZ vax for younger Australians.

    And PvO in The Oz has unwittingly added fuel to the fire by criticising Young. (Downright dangerous) He’s just opened the door to criticising “the Science” and Health officers in MSM outlets.


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  3. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Cohenite – It’s worse even that that. The Biden regime is deporting Cuban refugees back to Cuba. I hate to think what happens to those poor souls when they fall into the Cuban authorities’ hands.

    Biden admin sends 27 Cuban refugees trying to escape Communist hellhole back to Cuba (30 Jul)

    Only left-voting illegals allowed into Bidenistan. There’s hypocrisy and then there’s breathtakingly evil Democrat Party hypocrisy.


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  4. Roger says:

    ” ‘Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog’

    Should we keep this? What the hell is centre right in 2021?”

    Well, like libertarians, those on the centre-right used to have liberty as the guiding light for their beliefs. If you want a laugh (or a cry), go check out some of the ‘What we believe’ sections, bedecked invirtual cobwebs, on state Liberal Party websites.

    Given the lack of appreciation for liberty among our elites and, it seems, a fair swathe of the general population, perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.


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  5. Tom says:

    There is no place on this or any other iteration of the Cat for anti-semitism, as the former site owner/publisher discovered. Anti-semitism is illegal under Australian law and allowing it to be published is a recipe for self-annihilation.

    Graeme Bird is a mentally ill anti-semitic bigot who keeps coming here under new pseudonyms to spew the racist bile he is now fixated on. He is a stark example of what happens to intelligent people when they become unhinged from morality.


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  6. Muddy says:

    Carpe Jugulum says:
    August 3, 2021 at 10:52 am

    Must nearly be time to show the whole Cat Lexicon again, there is some very pithy content there.
    ***

    The February contributions were very productive – I think you might have submitted Dansturbator then, but I’d have to check – this time? Not so much. It’s an upheaval period though, and not everyone is here.

    My plan was to make one more plea in November, and then publish the whole shebang late that month or early the next.

    Maybe you’re right though?
    Hmmm, I’ll mull it over. Thanks for the feedback.


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  7. mh says:

    ‘Given the lack of appreciation for liberty among our elites and, it seems, a fair swathe of the general population, perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.’

    I like that, Roger.


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  8. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Adam, do you have any contingency planning in place for any occasion when you may for whatever reason be unable to attend to this site? Just asking, for peace of mind’s sake.

    Tom would be a safe pair of hands for such an occasion and I suggest, with astonishment at my temerity, that you two could be in contact re the running this site and drawing up a series of failsafes with other indviduals for the maintenance of the site.


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  9. Sancho Panzer says:

    Sancho is a real name.
    Panzer is not a real name.


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  10. jupes says:

    Monty:

    I have a very well-develop bullshit detector …

    LOL. Stupidest comment so far on the new Cat. Well done you gullible twit.


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  11. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.

    No. Just no.”

    If this site is as ‘dead’ as you suggest, Grigs, then why do you care?

    Sinc allowed Vikki’s pieces to be main threads at times.


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  12. struth says:

    Anti – semitism is illegal under Australian Law.

    ………………………………………………………says Tom.
    So is closing state borders, state governments making law regarding quarantining etc etc.
    I agree, we have no room for anti-semitics here, but we are now a virtual tyrannical communist police state, and the left are in power.

    Talking badly about Sco mo or Gladys is going to get us in more trouble than an anti-semite.
    He’ll probably gets paid by them.
    Not excusing him, and yes I agree he is a nut job.
    Australian Law…..you do make me laugh.


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  13. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “perhaps it should be called “Australia’s most deplorable blog”? As a badge of honour.’

    I like that, Roger.”

    It has some merit but is likely to be misunderstood.

    In contra view, this site has always stood for a political philosophy of liberty and individualism. I do not think the descriptor should lose that tradition, and the ‘centre right’ probably encompasses that in a broad Church that is generally understood.


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  14. srr says:

    Timcast IRL –
    **Survivor Of Mao’s Cultural Revolution Says Its Happening Here**
    w/Lily Tang Williams
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Enhi6wIk8E


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  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Australian Law…..you do make me laugh.”

    It’s a question of what they may choose to close us down with, Struth.

    As well as a matter of what we are prepared to accept as our standard.


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  16. Sancho Panzer says:

    Who is Graeme Bird?
    Are some postings not seen?


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  17. Tom says:

    As other have said here, John Paul Watson’s latest, The Fall of Australia, is a must watch:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KScb7XjzE


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  18. twostix says:

    There are also more than 400 of the state’s health workers in quarantine, including all of cardiac surgeons for the children’s hospital.

    Insanity.


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  19. cohenite says:

    Graeme Bird is a mentally ill anti-semitic bigot who keeps coming here under new pseudonyms to spew the racist bile he is now fixated on. He is a stark example of what happens to intelligent people when they become unhinged from morality.

    Correct. Bird, when he puts what is left of his brain which is squirming like a toad to work on such things as alarmism he is good value but he consumed by antisemitism. I told you bird, you had some goodwill but you keep shitting in the hands of that goodwill; you need help:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8GW1GaoIc


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  20. min says:

    Sancho , Don Quixote ‘s offsider perhaps ?


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  21. struth says:

    They’ll close us down anyway, Lizzie.
    It’s not if but when.
    Australians have insanely “safetied” themselves in to tyranny on an inescapable island.
    Our society is sick and cowardly and deserves to die.
    And die it will.
    Very quickly now.
    Some of us may not deserve to go down with the rest, but that would have been the case in every tyrannical takeover in history.
    A while ago I said I was a marked man for which Frank scoffed.
    I certainly am a marked man.
    But so are all of you.
    Some more than others of course.
    And the time is drawing close.
    And underneath, you guys know it.
    No matter how you scoff, you know now, eighteen months later what is really happening here.
    If we don’t fight we will very soon, have no contact with each other and there will be knocks on the doors.
    Not just after me.


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  22. Rorschach says:

    I don’t know about that Monty. You support that pervert Biden and can’t see what that man is, or don’t want to see.

    …ZING…


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  23. John A says:

    Gilbert & Sullivan often had appropriate dialogue for all manner of situations. From HMS Pinafore:

    All. Goodness me,
    Why, what was that?
    Dick. Silent be,
    Again the cat!
    All. It was again that cat!
    Capt. (aside). They’re right, it was the cat!


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  24. Wally Dalí says:

    The Overton Window may shift- the Cat stands eternal.
    Libertarian and centre-Right.


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  25. twostix says:

    Agree with m0nty and lizzie, in its infancy this place needs quick and careful tending to on all fronts – improvements, moderation otherwise it will wither. Notice people are already dropping away.


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  26. Mark A says:

    Bit naughty but I thought it witty.

    So the transgender weightlifter failed to register a clean snatch.


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  27. Rorschach says:

    Sancho is a real name.
    Panzer is not a real name.

    For what it’s worth, I thought it a clever name. Sancho – the Don’s ever trusting sidekick, and Panzer – armoured tank.


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  28. egg_ says:

    “I agree he is a nut job.”

    Isn’t a psychopath just a low IQ sociopath?

    Fitting, in this case.


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  29. min says:

    A volunteer for women’s health information was sacked because she went to media about hospital banning fathers in birthing unit as a support person . She claimed that 50% of patients could not speak English so without hubby there was no one to translate nurse instructions . In NSW this is against DHHS rules so it has been remedied .
    The point I am making is the area and the number of non English speakers . No wonder it is so difficult to stop spread . Chairman Dan shut down immediately all the tower blocks where they lived , however now they have taken out a class action against him as inhabitants closed down without food , medication etc and it took a few days to organise this.


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  30. egg_ says:

    “Australians have insanely “safetied” themselves in to tyranny on an inescapable island.”

    The wreck of the Batavia?


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  31. dover_beach says:

    Testing.


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  32. mh says:

    ‘Notice people are already dropping away.’

    Do you miss Rosie?


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  33. egg_ says:

    “So the transgender weightlifter failed to register a clean snatch.”

    Was that remark approved by the itty bitty titty committee?


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  34. dover_beach says:

    Agree with m0nty and lizzie, in its infancy this place needs quick and careful tending to on all fronts – improvements, moderation otherwise it will wither. Notice people are already dropping away.

    I’ve out up two alternative sites that have different formats and functionality for commenters and admin. Both have their pros and cons. I’ve linked to them on Discordant Cats and at the old Cat. I can’t seem to get the links working here. Might be worth popping over and seeing if you like what they provide.


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  35. Top Ender says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.”

    Yes. Just yes.


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  36. johanna says:

    Poor Adam must feel like he has a roomful of fractious toddlers to wrangle here.

    A couple have pooed on the floor and smeared it on the walls. Several are yelling ‘Daddy, daddy, look at me!’ while they demand gratification of their personal wishes. Now. Another group has started a fight in the corner. Somebody’s grandmother is there giving reams of unsolicited and pompous advice, because grandmothers are special, or some equally inane ‘rationale.’

    Adam, hopefully you have a thick skin and a sense of humour. You’ll need it. 🙂

    From me, thanks for everything, and you just do what you think best, when you can.

    Sound cancelling headphones are the go when you are trapped with toddlers.


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  37. Tom says:

    Poor Adam must feel like he has a roomful of fractious toddlers to wrangle here.

    Plus he has a day job.

    We trust him to do what’s needed when he can.


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  38. srr says:

    “m0nty says:
    August 3, 2021 at 11:00 am
    You also seem to not know the difference between, “srr” & “SSR”.

    SSR is short for USSR, which is your name on the Cat.”

    I knew I could rely on you Monty, to dob Bullyboy JC & The Crew in for their usual bullshitting & smearing of those who refuse to sell The Party Lies, those they want to drive out.

    The funny thing is that JC’s job of, Tagging For Bagging, is well known by regular Cat readers, but it’s nice of you to educate any newbies who’ve been brought here by all the talk of The Cat’s death & resurrection.


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  39. Sancho Panzer says:

    Thank you for explaination Cohenite 11:34.


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  40. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Article, from the Australian. “Restore confidence and trust in the military.” Good luck!

    “Defence releases a plan to restore trust and confidence in military”

    Ben Packham
    FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND DEFENCE CORRESPONDENT
    @bennpackham
    26 minutes ago August 3, 2021
    1 Comment

    Defence has set out a four-year process to reform ADF culture and command accountability, weed out wrongdoers and strip medals from unworthy recipients, in its long-awaited response to the Brereton war crimes inquiry.

    The report, placed without an official announcement on the Afghanistan Inquiry website in late July, sets out a plan to restore trust and confidence in the nation’s military forces restore the ADF’s reputation, and to improve its ability to spot warning signs of improper conduct.

    Released eight months after the Brereton report alleged 25 Australian soldiers were involved in the murder of 39 Afghans, it sets out a series of “work packages” to address the past and present recurrence of the behaviours identified.

    A “transformational reform” package will be delivered over more than four years to the end of 2025, focusing on organisational arrangements, chain-of-command responsibility, recruitment and performance management.

    Defence Minister Peter Dutton says he wants to send a “very clear message” of support to the ADF, by overruling the decision to strip troops of their medals in the aftermath of the Brereton Report. Three thousand special forces soldiers were set to be have their citations removed More

    The 36-page document says by the end of the 2021, Defence will have addressed 90 per cent of its responsibilities in relation to “specific allegations of wrongdoing against individuals”, and determined whether additional action is warranted.

    It flags criminal, disciplinary and administrative action against individuals implicated in wrongdoing. A review of honours and awards will also be undertaken, with medals and gongs potentially being revoked.

    By the end of the year, a whole-of-government approach will also have been developed on compensating victims.

    The plan says Defence will become “more data informed”, helping it to “identify indicators and warnings” of bad behaviour.

    In the forward to the document, Chief of the Defence Force Angus Campbell said and Defence Secretary Greg Moriarty said they accepted responsibility for the failings in systems, culture and accountability exposed by the Brereton report, and would work to restore the ADF’s reputation by undertaking “deep and enduring reform”.

    General Campbell said the plan would “restore the moral authority, trust, confidence and respect essential to achieving the Defence mission”.

    He said senior officers had been appointed to oversee each element of the reform package, and would be held “personally accountable” for their delivery.

    “Through the initiatives in this plan, we reinforce our capacity to meet the standards necessary for and inherent to our profession of arms and hold people to account for past failures and wrongdoings,” he said.

    “We do so to restore the trust, confidence and respect essential to mission success, future capability, effective partnerships, the safety of our people and the nation to which we are responsible.”

    To support the response the CDF has ordered two new studies be undertaken: A “consideration of organisational learnings” from the Afghanistan experience, and an independent report on tactical-level individual and command performance and behaviour.

    An independent study of Australian special forces and their operations in Afghanistan by Professor Tom Frame, already revealed by The Australian, will also form part of the response.

    General Campbell said all members of the ADF would have to absorb “the learnings and changes in command, leadership and behaviour arising from the Afghanistan Inquiry”.

    “The people of the Australian Defence Force must be in no doubt as to what is expected – the highest professional, ethical, legal, and command accountability standards,” he said.


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  41. miltonf says:

    Yes belly achers will belly ache- good on Adam.


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  42. mh says:

    Is Adam the guy who was/is living in Europe?


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  43. woolfe says:

    What johanna said, and:

    Thanks Adam and Everyone involved in re birthing DaCat!


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  44. rocinante says:

    johanna says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:06 pm

    +++ eleventy Johanna.
    Adam has done a sterling job – almost a miracle in the timeframe involved.


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  45. Cardimona says:

    Adam – thanks for what you’ve done here, it’s always nice when someone rescues stray Cats.

    G’day Cats
    Recently I wrote to ScoM0ron with some criticisms.

    That letter has formatting and links which would be difficult for me to reproduce here, so I’ve screenshot it and put it here – https://imgur.com/a/fi2dpPA

    I’ve just had a response, which is here – https://imgur.com/a/R3uPTAp

    ScoMao seems to believe that the TGA has fully approved the AZ and Pfizer deathjabs.
    Have Cats heard this to be true?
    Does that mean that the TGA would now carry some liability?


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  46. Ruprecht says:

    Well said Johanna and Tom. There has been some self serving twittering going on that is a mask for other concerns. Be thankful to Adam and let him solve what he can when he gets time.


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  47. rickw says:

    “Kim il Morrison has turned this place into North Korea.”

    In a sea of global vested interests, Scumoron creates a National Cabinet of vested interests.

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Just spoke to the old bloke. Tractor club is in doubt for tomorrow, apparently a hard border close is imminent. Not sure how that’s going to play out in the border cities where half the joint works on the other side of the river.

    These people are barking mad. If the ADF were ever to be deployed it should be to shoot any cop that attempted to enforce state border closures.


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  48. Eyrie says:

    “Defence releases a plan to restore trust and confidence in military”

    And there I was thinking they were going back to getting better at breaking things and killing people.


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  49. Moonshiner says:

    dover_beach says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:04 pm

    I’ve out up two alternative sites that have different formats and functionality for commenters and admin.
    I wouldn’t mind taking a look Dover. Not fussed on Discord though so would you be able to paste them here just as text? Don’t worry about any HTML formatting – just an address I could copy and paste into a browser window. (As long as it’s not Gay Boys in Bondage.com!)


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  50. rocinante says:

    These people are barking mad. If the ADF were ever to be deployed it should be to shoot any cop that attempted to enforce state border closures.

    ————————————————
    The ADF are deployed in Sydney as of today, and they are not there to shoot cops.


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  51. rickw says:

    “I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.”

    Indeed, I think it’s important to get the articles going!


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