Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. calli says:

    Yes, of course, it’s important that people are heard. But we need sensible demonstrations, where people are sun-smart and camera conscious while wearing hats and pretending they are promenading next to a film set.

    Thanks for that.


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  2. candy says:

    Ms Berejiklian to talk of easing restrictions for the vaccinated later in the week, if I’m reading the news correctly, which means excluding the non COVID vaccinated from social events and places like gyms.

    I tend to think each premier wants to go down this road but someone has to go first.  They are simply not sure how the public will take it and the social effects of such a discriminatory policy in Australia, a usually egalitarian nation.

    If they were sure they would announce a policy now. It would not be hard to formulate it with some detail and put it out there.


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  3. Indolent says:

    U.S. official finally acknowledges Covid-19 natural immunity: ‘As good as vaccine’
    U.S. official finally acknowledges Covid-19 natural immunity: ‘As good as vaccine’ | Sharyl Attkisson


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  4. H B Bear says:

    BBS – I didn’t take it that way.  Mine was more of a General exhortation.


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  5. srr says:

    Knuckle Draggersays:
    August 25, 2021 at 6:54 am

    The ‘media’ are ‘reporting’ …
    I’m not referring to these people as media any more, because … on a daily basis
    They are influencers.

    ==========================================================
    Yep, just like those on ‘social’ media who constantly, ‘report’ exactly what the ‘media’ churns out, as, ‘The Sources to be trusted, because look, it’s all over MSM.’, while they trash every actual expert who contradicts the ‘media’ ‘experts’.

    So, here I’ll thank Vicky for this …
    Vicki says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:59 am
    https://catallaxy-files.com/open-thread-tuesday-17-august-2021/comment-page-38/#comment-36496


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  6. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    A moment of clarity on Sky.  A hairdresser from the Western Suburbs saying about the possible opening up of her field for vaccinated people only, which is the rumour  will be “our new freedom” /sarc; said wtteo “how do you do that – isn’t that discrimination to turn away a people?”

    Gladys, over to you?

    Many years ago, the other half’s employer put out a directive that put the onus on everyone to police each other, despite no positional authority to do so.  None of this was about any illegal activity or deviation from the actual tasks required but essentially covered human failings brought about by the employer.

    He subsequently responded that the employer was passing on its role and responsibilities without providing to employees any employer/legal cover should the situation deteriorate.  It was dropped with no further discussion.

    Here the government is attempting the same thing; endeavouring to make business especially small business take on matters that are beyond its control and legal authority so opens it to  possible anti-discrimination claims.

    Another example of government(s) scaring people while abrogating all responsibility for this debacle.


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  7. H B Bear says:

    For the record I like quite a lot of the Rolling Stones stuff, especially the early Blues material and Like a Rainbow.


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  8. mh says:

    Charlie Watts & Mick Jagger listen to Sonny Barger

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4OUEZSg8xY

     


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  9. struth says:

    Candy, they want a covid passport, complete control of the population, that should now be overwhelmingly obvious.

    It’s all this has been about.

    The only reason they are hesitant at the moment is not enough are jabbed…..but it’s getting close, so close, they can taste it, taste the power.

    As soon as they can now.

    Thanks jabbed people.


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  10. Ruprecht says:

    I saw the Stones, embarrassing as hell to watch, but if you closed your eyes, great to listen to. Watts had this amazing backbeat going from such a stripped down kit


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  11. mh says:

    Does a hairdresser turn away a gay black non-vaccinated customer?


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  12. Roger says:

    From the champions of goal post shifting:

    ‘The chief executive of the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO), Pat Turner, said the target must be 100% of Aboriginal people vaccinated “before we can open up.”’

    Do you want indigenous blood on your hands, Mr. Morrison, state Premiers?

     


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  13. srr says:

    Well said Vicki –

    “Vicki says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:06 am

    I would also like to take the opportunity to sincerely thank all the contributors to this, & to the old Catallaxy blog, for their commitment to unafraid free speech.

    I fear we are going to encounter very, very dangerous days. Like most of you, I have been astounded not just by the fear mongering and total disinterest in medical dissent (OS) to the novel vaccines, but also by the anger festering amongst the vaccinated who see dissenters as threats to the promise of a “return to normal life”.

    God bless all of you & never lose your passion for freedom of speech and diversity of opinion.”

     


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  14. Indolent says:

    List of Medical Specialists who oppose the current vaccines

    Also –

    Dr. Ryan Cole, Anatomic and Clinical Pathologist, who runs the largest independent laboratory in Idaho

    Dr. Dan Stock, a family-practice physician in Noblesville, Indiana


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  15. H B Bear says:

    Sounds like a question you might get asked in a Sydney bathhouse.  You know what the answer will be.  And that is why you are locked down.


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  16. Old bloke says:

    candy says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:21 am

    Ms Berejiklian to talk of easing restrictions for the vaccinated later in the week, if I’m reading the news correctly, which means excluding the non COVID vaccinated from social events and places like gyms.

    ________________________________________________

    What happens to those people who have already acquired natural immunity to the Wuhan flu, will they also be restricted? Are they going to offer anti-gen testing to determine who already has natural immunity?


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  17. incoherent rambler says:

    But it is alright, jumpin jack flash is a gas.


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  18. Top Ender says:

    Lockdown lingo we’ll never want to hear again

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – The Australian

    There is a lexicon of words and phrases from Covid that many of us never want to hear again. Like “we’re all this in together”. We aren’t. We never were. Politicians who say so are not even fooling some of the people some of the time. This phrase will turn out to be the biggest fraud of all about this pandemic. It is usually a pointer to some other motive.
    Sometimes we’re told “we’re all in this together” to encourage us to follow rules. That doesn’t work because, like Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others, like footy players and their families who can enter Queensland, yet the Premier denies a man entry to see his dying father.
    Last weekend the phrase was used by 19 Labor local councillors from southwest and western Sydney. In their open letter they said: “Applying a curfew to half of Sydney only is not how you tell them we are all in this together.”
    You don’t say. But where were these Labor politicians when the good folk on Sydney’s northern beaches went into lockdown to stem the Avalon cluster last year? Calling for solidarity across Sydney? Demanding that we should all be in this together? It’s hard to find any other reason for the letter except politics. That’s nothing new. But these politicians’ hypocrisy deserves a “call out” – another exasperating Covid phrase.
    The notion that a state should not impose different rules for different regions depending on the spread of the virus is utter nonsense. For that kind of crazy, head to South Australia where Premier Steven Marshall is – using Labor’s measure – the most unifying Covid leader in the country. How did the people of Oodnadatta, 1043km north of the capital, feel about being in this together when Marshall shut down the state after one or two cases in Adelaide?
    Sensible leaders apply different rules for different risk scenarios. On Monday, of 818 new Covid cases in NSW, more than 700 were from southwest and western Sydney. That’s why different restrictions make sense. Perhaps the councillors could encourage more of their constituents to follow the rules. Clearly many aren’t, otherwise case numbers in their electorates would be falling.
    It’s especially unfortunate to see federal Labor MP Chris Bowen, who represents the western Sydney seat of McMahon, trying to score points by confecting a class war between east and west. Bowen should know better. His franking credit policy was a textbook case of how class war backfires. It failed so badly during the 2019 election that Labor won’t touch it next time around.
    It’s fair enough for Labor councillors to hold the NSW Premier to account for confused and constantly changing rules in areas where English often is not the language spoken at home. But what makes Labor’s cruder campaign of division especially misguided is there are other legitimate reasons to challenge the Liberal Premier.
    The councillors could focus on the lack of medical evidence that a night-time curfew does anything to reduce case numbers. The Premier has told us it doesn’t make a difference. Labor should hold Gladys Berejiklian to account for provable nonsense rather than confecting its own.
    But that’s the dilemma for Labor: evidence-free curfews are the go-to restriction for Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews.
    Federally, Labor is wedged by premiers who are addicted to hard and cruel lockdowns. Who can forget Andrews locking down 3000 people in nine public housing towers last year? That said, it’s hard not to see the direct line between a federal government that continues to lock 22 million Australians, even double-vaccinated citizens, inside the country and premiers who keep locking down their states. That’s another pointer to the fraud that we are in this together. How many cabinet ministers responsible for turning Australia into a hermit kingdom feel that pain? How many are separated from their children by their closed international border?
    Labor would serve the country better by holding the Morrison government to account by demanding the scientific and medical evidence that prevents fully vaccinated Australians from being reunited with family overseas. Or is Scott Morrison’s policy based on parochial politics led by polling, not science?
    On Monday, the Prime Minister said: “Once we get to 80 per cent (vaccination levels) we have to move forward. We cannot be held back.” There is another critical question Labor could ask Morrison: what happens if 80 per cent vaccination rates are not reached?
    Opening the country is premised on reaching certain vaccination levels: fewer lockdowns when the rate reaches 70 cent and rare and highly targeted lockdowns when it hits 80 per cent. Morrison is plugging a plan that makes no room for plan B.
    A few countries have reached 80 per cent (United Arab Emirates and Malta), a handful have reached 70 per cent, and most are between 60 and 70 per cent. Most of these countries started their vaccination programs late last year, not in March this year when the Morrison government started dribbling out jabs.
    At the federal level, Australians have endured a dismal vaccination rollout: confused health messages, hysteria from the Morrison government over AstraZeneca, Health Minister Greg Hunt telling Australians they could wait for Pfizer in October, and no discernible marketing campaign. If only Morrison had used the ad guys from Qantas.
    How certain is the timeframe to 80 per cent? Given the damage to children, young people, the most mentally vulnerable, people who can’t work during lockdowns, this deserves an answer.
    Is next year going to be another one of locking Australians inside their country, being the laughing stock of other countries that are living with the virus sensibly? What if NSW gets to 80 per cent vaccination levels while other states don’t? What about allowing NSW to open its international airports to vaccinated Australians? Why should NSW be forced down the demented rabbit holes of Queensland, WA and SA? That would get these states off their lazy lockdown backsides.
    Apart from playing class war, does Labor have a plan out of this recurring lockdown nightmare that is especially horrendous for people who should be Labor’s path to election victory?


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  19. Roger says:

    A moonbeam from the larger lunacy:

    ‘BOM meteorologist Melody Sturm told the Sydney Morning Herald that residents should brace for more chilly, inclement weather, with 90 mm (3.5 inches) of rain possible in some areas including the  Hunter, Sydney and Illawarra coasts.
    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.’

    A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.


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  20. jo says:

    Spent 10 hours in hospital yesterday. Observed bull dyke and mincing poodle staff members openly advertising their sexuality, touting for rough trade without actually saying it. I laughed, did not go down well so to speak. If a hetero said the same things they’d be accused of  harassment.


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  21. Indolent says:

    Like “we’re all this in together”. We aren’t. We never were. Politicians who say so are not even fooling some of the people some of the time. This phrase will turn out to be the biggest fraud of all about this pandemic.

    **************

    I’ve been saying this for months but I’m not sure about the “not even fooling some of the people” part.


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  22. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>Do you want indigenous blood on your hands, Mr. Morrison, state Premiers?</i>

    Roger, a bit of a problem if some of them become very sick from the jab.  Nah, what am I thinking; it’ll be blamed on ‘rona.

    Just on that; the young  woman reported to have died at home overnight after catching the China Pestilence a few days ago; I wonder whether she had a pre-existing illness or condition or had had the jab?


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  23. Black Ball says:

    Roger, about the NACCHO or whatever, where did you get that from?

    Black fellas don’t really give 2 fornications about this. Of course if there was a financial reward forvaccination, everyone will form a line. What is the maxim in politics, beware the optics?


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  24. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Rae says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:44 am”

    ———————————-

    Hi Rafiki


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  25. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>mh says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:46 am</i>

    so many combinations to work through, mh, and so little time!


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  26. mh says:

    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.
    ***

    Brad Hazzard:

    “Right now the most dangerous place is actually our homes,” Mr Hazzard said on Sunday.

    “Aussies tend to think of their home as their castle, but right now it can be Covid central.


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  27. rickw says:

    <em> Spent 10 hours in hospital yesterday. Observed bull dyke and mincing poodle staff members openly advertising their sexuality, touting for rough trade without actually saying it. I laughed, did not go down well so to speak. If a hetero said the same things they’d be accused of  harassment. </em>

    My dad was bloody crook in hospital, I came in to find him being looked after by some horrific looking tranny.  He was too crook to realise.  Bloody disgusting.


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  28. Roger says:

    Roger, about the NACCHO or whatever, where did you get that from?

    Appeared in my news feed this morning, BB.

    From The Guardian.

     

     


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  29. Bar Beach Swimmer says:
  30. Indolent says:

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – The Australian

    Despite a couple of decent points, Janet doesn’t really get it.  She seems to be interested in foreign travel but doesn’t seem to realise that, for instance, all but a few shops in Sydney have been closed now for two months.  How can anyone make a living like that?  A clothing shop orders goods seasonally and they would all now have lost a full season of sales, but still have to pay for their stock.  How many will survive?  And that’s just a taste of what’s happening.  What about hairdressers, beauticians, mentioned above.

    At the very least, no government has the right to stop people earning a living.


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  31. rickw says:

    What are the scared Sheeple of Australia being drenched with today?


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  32. mh says:

    Cassie, Rae is a Grigs sock.

    One of many socks that he blows into.


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  33. struth says:

    One thing some of you need to come to terms with.

    Propaganda isn’t truth telling………………………………


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  34. srr says:

    “I wonder how many medical specialists there are in the world today.”

    ===================================================

     

    Far less than there are online “Influencers” trained to destroy the careers of the Medical Experts who dare go against the W.H.O.s Global Agenda Directives.


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  35. rosie says:

    Please tell us more Mrs Mangles.


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  36. jo says:

    I can’t get the quote button to work, cut & paste doesn’t either.


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  37. mh says:

    We’ve got one that can see 🕶

    ZNeveri
    @ZNeveri

    Aug 23

    Epic seeing the younger generation seeing through the lies being pushed on the world


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  38. Roger says:

    “Despite a couple of decent points, Janet doesn’t really get it.  She seems to be interested in foreign travel but doesn’t seem to realise that, for instance, all but a few shops in Sydney have been closed now for two months. ”

    What does your average intellectual know or care about shopkeeping?


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  39. jo says:

    Blackball I can’t stand the way Aboriginal people are treated like idiots. Not that I have known a lot but the ones I do know are far from it. Being used to line the pockets of Fauxboriginals and out n out scam artists has to stop.


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  40. Roger says:

    “Analysis of data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that more than 10,000 jobs per day were lost in the first three weeks of the Sydney lockdown alone. That is equal to all the jobs created in NSW across the 2020-21 financial year.

    What took an entire year in lockdown-free NSW was destroyed in just a few weeks, showing it is naive to expect the economy to simply ‘bounce back’. With lockdowns, jobs go up the stairs but come down the escalator.

    ABS data also shows lockdowns favour some jobs over others. More than half a million jobs among the bottom fifth of income workers disappeared between March and November last year, while the top fifth saw jobs increase by nearly 200,000.

    The burden of Australia’s elimination strategy is borne overwhelmingly by the most disadvantaged.”

    The politicians responsible for this will, speaking out of the other side of their lying mouths, sermonise upon equity, as if that should absolve them for being held responsible for the pain they’ve inflicted on ordinary people.

    Read the whole thing:

    https://ipa.org.au/research/rights-and-freedoms/putting-a-price-on-the-cost-of-covid-lockdowns


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  41. mh says:

    Freedom!

    As of this week, all Israelis over 30 will be eligible to receive booster shots. By the end of the month, they are expected to be universally available to anyone over the age of 12 who received their second vaccine five months or more ago.

    Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months.

     


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  42. Terry Pedersen says:

    Some heroic assumptions in the Doherty Institute’s latest guess at the future.

    Somehow they say the heath system is going to manage 385,983 cases and 1,457 deaths (their estimates) down to 2,737 cases and 13 deaths (again, their estimates).

    Contrast that with last night’s news that both Blacktown and Nepean Hospitals are at capacity and ramping ambulances while Westmead Hospital has declared a Yellow Emergency. That means it is no longer accepting COVID patients and is seeking 100 beds from the private hospitals in Western Sydney.

    There should be some tough questioning of Glad the Loudhailer this morning.


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  43. Figures says:

    “How many Australian children have died from Covid exactly?  This guy’s mendacity is breathtaking.”

     

    Surely you’ve realised by now how this all works.

     

    If a hundred kids die from a vaccine, that’s a worthy sacrifice and the parents should shut up and be happy about it.

     

    If one kid dies from a virus that’s an unacceptable loss and we need to move heaven and earth to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

     

    For some of us, we’ve been dealing with this logic for decades.

     

    The belief in vaccination is a mental illness.


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  44. Top Ender says:

    BTW, the italics button does not work.

    I think I posted on this yesterday.

    The Albrechtsen article above, for example, saw me highlight it all, and then press the italic button. When posted, it appeared though as normal text.

    One problem is that when formatting, if you do go through the process of italicising or whatever, there is no way – as there was on the old site – of seeing the text turn to italics or whatever before you post.


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  45. johanna says:

    mh says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:15 am

    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.
    ***

    Brad Hazzard:

    “Right now the most dangerous place is actually our homes,” Mr Hazzard said on Sunday.

    “Aussies tend to think of their home as their castle, but right now it can be Covid central.

    Well spotted.

    It’s just like how the CAGW buffoons tell us that there will be more floods, but the dams will never fill again.

    These people are utterly shameless.


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  46. calli says:

    Top Ender, select and block the text you wish to

    italicise

    and use the pop-up button.

    You will see it in preview.


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