Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. calli says:

    Yes, of course, it’s important that people are heard. But we need sensible demonstrations, where people are sun-smart and camera conscious while wearing hats and pretending they are promenading next to a film set.

    Thanks for that.


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  2. candy says:

    Ms Berejiklian to talk of easing restrictions for the vaccinated later in the week, if I’m reading the news correctly, which means excluding the non COVID vaccinated from social events and places like gyms.

    I tend to think each premier wants to go down this road but someone has to go first.  They are simply not sure how the public will take it and the social effects of such a discriminatory policy in Australia, a usually egalitarian nation.

    If they were sure they would announce a policy now. It would not be hard to formulate it with some detail and put it out there.


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  3. Indolent says:

    U.S. official finally acknowledges Covid-19 natural immunity: ‘As good as vaccine’
    U.S. official finally acknowledges Covid-19 natural immunity: ‘As good as vaccine’ | Sharyl Attkisson


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  4. H B Bear says:

    BBS – I didn’t take it that way.  Mine was more of a General exhortation.


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  5. srr says:

    Knuckle Draggersays:
    August 25, 2021 at 6:54 am

    The ‘media’ are ‘reporting’ …
    I’m not referring to these people as media any more, because … on a daily basis
    They are influencers.

    ==========================================================
    Yep, just like those on ‘social’ media who constantly, ‘report’ exactly what the ‘media’ churns out, as, ‘The Sources to be trusted, because look, it’s all over MSM.’, while they trash every actual expert who contradicts the ‘media’ ‘experts’.

    So, here I’ll thank Vicky for this …
    Vicki says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:59 am
    https://catallaxy-files.com/open-thread-tuesday-17-august-2021/comment-page-38/#comment-36496


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  6. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    A moment of clarity on Sky.  A hairdresser from the Western Suburbs saying about the possible opening up of her field for vaccinated people only, which is the rumour  will be “our new freedom” /sarc; said wtteo “how do you do that – isn’t that discrimination to turn away a people?”

    Gladys, over to you?

    Many years ago, the other half’s employer put out a directive that put the onus on everyone to police each other, despite no positional authority to do so.  None of this was about any illegal activity or deviation from the actual tasks required but essentially covered human failings brought about by the employer.

    He subsequently responded that the employer was passing on its role and responsibilities without providing to employees any employer/legal cover should the situation deteriorate.  It was dropped with no further discussion.

    Here the government is attempting the same thing; endeavouring to make business especially small business take on matters that are beyond its control and legal authority so opens it to  possible anti-discrimination claims.

    Another example of government(s) scaring people while abrogating all responsibility for this debacle.


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  7. H B Bear says:

    For the record I like quite a lot of the Rolling Stones stuff, especially the early Blues material and Like a Rainbow.


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  8. mh says:

    Charlie Watts & Mick Jagger listen to Sonny Barger

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4OUEZSg8xY

     


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  9. struth says:

    Candy, they want a covid passport, complete control of the population, that should now be overwhelmingly obvious.

    It’s all this has been about.

    The only reason they are hesitant at the moment is not enough are jabbed…..but it’s getting close, so close, they can taste it, taste the power.

    As soon as they can now.

    Thanks jabbed people.


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  10. Ruprecht says:

    I saw the Stones, embarrassing as hell to watch, but if you closed your eyes, great to listen to. Watts had this amazing backbeat going from such a stripped down kit


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  11. mh says:

    Does a hairdresser turn away a gay black non-vaccinated customer?


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  12. Roger says:

    From the champions of goal post shifting:

    ‘The chief executive of the National Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation (NACCHO), Pat Turner, said the target must be 100% of Aboriginal people vaccinated “before we can open up.”’

    Do you want indigenous blood on your hands, Mr. Morrison, state Premiers?

     


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  13. srr says:

    Well said Vicki –

    Vicki says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:06 am

    I would also like to take the opportunity to sincerely thank all the contributors to this, & to the old Catallaxy blog, for their commitment to unafraid free speech.

    I fear we are going to encounter very, very dangerous days. Like most of you, I have been astounded not just by the fear mongering and total disinterest in medical dissent (OS) to the novel vaccines, but also by the anger festering amongst the vaccinated who see dissenters as threats to the promise of a “return to normal life”.

    God bless all of you & never lose your passion for freedom of speech and diversity of opinion.”

     



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  14. Indolent says:

    List of Medical Specialists who oppose the current vaccines

    Also –

    Dr. Ryan Cole, Anatomic and Clinical Pathologist, who runs the largest independent laboratory in Idaho

    Dr. Dan Stock, a family-practice physician in Noblesville, Indiana


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  15. H B Bear says:

    Sounds like a question you might get asked in a Sydney bathhouse.  You know what the answer will be.  And that is why you are locked down.


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  16. Old bloke says:

    candy says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:21 am

    Ms Berejiklian to talk of easing restrictions for the vaccinated later in the week, if I’m reading the news correctly, which means excluding the non COVID vaccinated from social events and places like gyms.

    ________________________________________________

    What happens to those people who have already acquired natural immunity to the Wuhan flu, will they also be restricted? Are they going to offer anti-gen testing to determine who already has natural immunity?



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  17. incoherent rambler says:

    But it is alright, jumpin jack flash is a gas.


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  18. Top Ender says:

    Lockdown lingo we’ll never want to hear again

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – The Australian

    There is a lexicon of words and phrases from Covid that many of us never want to hear again. Like “we’re all this in together”. We aren’t. We never were. Politicians who say so are not even fooling some of the people some of the time. This phrase will turn out to be the biggest fraud of all about this pandemic. It is usually a pointer to some other motive.
    Sometimes we’re told “we’re all in this together” to encourage us to follow rules. That doesn’t work because, like Animal Farm, some animals are more equal than others, like footy players and their families who can enter Queensland, yet the Premier denies a man entry to see his dying father.
    Last weekend the phrase was used by 19 Labor local councillors from southwest and western Sydney. In their open letter they said: “Applying a curfew to half of Sydney only is not how you tell them we are all in this together.”
    You don’t say. But where were these Labor politicians when the good folk on Sydney’s northern beaches went into lockdown to stem the Avalon cluster last year? Calling for solidarity across Sydney? Demanding that we should all be in this together? It’s hard to find any other reason for the letter except politics. That’s nothing new. But these politicians’ hypocrisy deserves a “call out” – another exasperating Covid phrase.
    The notion that a state should not impose different rules for different regions depending on the spread of the virus is utter nonsense. For that kind of crazy, head to South Australia where Premier Steven Marshall is – using Labor’s measure – the most unifying Covid leader in the country. How did the people of Oodnadatta, 1043km north of the capital, feel about being in this together when Marshall shut down the state after one or two cases in Adelaide?
    Sensible leaders apply different rules for different risk scenarios. On Monday, of 818 new Covid cases in NSW, more than 700 were from southwest and western Sydney. That’s why different restrictions make sense. Perhaps the councillors could encourage more of their constituents to follow the rules. Clearly many aren’t, otherwise case numbers in their electorates would be falling.
    It’s especially unfortunate to see federal Labor MP Chris Bowen, who represents the western Sydney seat of McMahon, trying to score points by confecting a class war between east and west. Bowen should know better. His franking credit policy was a textbook case of how class war backfires. It failed so badly during the 2019 election that Labor won’t touch it next time around.
    It’s fair enough for Labor councillors to hold the NSW Premier to account for confused and constantly changing rules in areas where English often is not the language spoken at home. But what makes Labor’s cruder campaign of division especially misguided is there are other legitimate reasons to challenge the Liberal Premier.
    The councillors could focus on the lack of medical evidence that a night-time curfew does anything to reduce case numbers. The Premier has told us it doesn’t make a difference. Labor should hold Gladys Berejiklian to account for provable nonsense rather than confecting its own.
    But that’s the dilemma for Labor: evidence-free curfews are the go-to restriction for Victorian Labor Premier Daniel Andrews.
    Federally, Labor is wedged by premiers who are addicted to hard and cruel lockdowns. Who can forget Andrews locking down 3000 people in nine public housing towers last year? That said, it’s hard not to see the direct line between a federal government that continues to lock 22 million Australians, even double-vaccinated citizens, inside the country and premiers who keep locking down their states. That’s another pointer to the fraud that we are in this together. How many cabinet ministers responsible for turning Australia into a hermit kingdom feel that pain? How many are separated from their children by their closed international border?
    Labor would serve the country better by holding the Morrison government to account by demanding the scientific and medical evidence that prevents fully vaccinated Australians from being reunited with family overseas. Or is Scott Morrison’s policy based on parochial politics led by polling, not science?
    On Monday, the Prime Minister said: “Once we get to 80 per cent (vaccination levels) we have to move forward. We cannot be held back.” There is another critical question Labor could ask Morrison: what happens if 80 per cent vaccination rates are not reached?
    Opening the country is premised on reaching certain vaccination levels: fewer lockdowns when the rate reaches 70 cent and rare and highly targeted lockdowns when it hits 80 per cent. Morrison is plugging a plan that makes no room for plan B.
    A few countries have reached 80 per cent (United Arab Emirates and Malta), a handful have reached 70 per cent, and most are between 60 and 70 per cent. Most of these countries started their vaccination programs late last year, not in March this year when the Morrison government started dribbling out jabs.
    At the federal level, Australians have endured a dismal vaccination rollout: confused health messages, hysteria from the Morrison government over AstraZeneca, Health Minister Greg Hunt telling Australians they could wait for Pfizer in October, and no discernible marketing campaign. If only Morrison had used the ad guys from Qantas.
    How certain is the timeframe to 80 per cent? Given the damage to children, young people, the most mentally vulnerable, people who can’t work during lockdowns, this deserves an answer.
    Is next year going to be another one of locking Australians inside their country, being the laughing stock of other countries that are living with the virus sensibly? What if NSW gets to 80 per cent vaccination levels while other states don’t? What about allowing NSW to open its international airports to vaccinated Australians? Why should NSW be forced down the demented rabbit holes of Queensland, WA and SA? That would get these states off their lazy lockdown backsides.
    Apart from playing class war, does Labor have a plan out of this recurring lockdown nightmare that is especially horrendous for people who should be Labor’s path to election victory?



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  19. Roger says:

    A moonbeam from the larger lunacy:

    ‘BOM meteorologist Melody Sturm told the Sydney Morning Herald that residents should brace for more chilly, inclement weather, with 90 mm (3.5 inches) of rain possible in some areas including the  Hunter, Sydney and Illawarra coasts.
    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.’

    A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring.



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  20. jo says:

    Spent 10 hours in hospital yesterday. Observed bull dyke and mincing poodle staff members openly advertising their sexuality, touting for rough trade without actually saying it. I laughed, did not go down well so to speak. If a hetero said the same things they’d be accused of  harassment.


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  21. Indolent says:

    Like “we’re all this in together”. We aren’t. We never were. Politicians who say so are not even fooling some of the people some of the time. This phrase will turn out to be the biggest fraud of all about this pandemic.

    **************

    I’ve been saying this for months but I’m not sure about the “not even fooling some of the people” part.


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  22. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>Do you want indigenous blood on your hands, Mr. Morrison, state Premiers?</i>

    Roger, a bit of a problem if some of them become very sick from the jab.  Nah, what am I thinking; it’ll be blamed on ‘rona.

    Just on that; the young  woman reported to have died at home overnight after catching the China Pestilence a few days ago; I wonder whether she had a pre-existing illness or condition or had had the jab?


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  23. Black Ball says:

    Roger, about the NACCHO or whatever, where did you get that from?

    Black fellas don’t really give 2 fornications about this. Of course if there was a financial reward forvaccination, everyone will form a line. What is the maxim in politics, beware the optics?


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  24. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Rae says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:44 am

    ———————————-

    Hi Rafiki


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  25. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>mh says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:46 am</i>

    so many combinations to work through, mh, and so little time!


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  26. mh says:

    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.
    ***

    Brad Hazzard:

    “Right now the most dangerous place is actually our homes,” Mr Hazzard said on Sunday.

    “Aussies tend to think of their home as their castle, but right now it can be Covid central.


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  27. rickw says:

    <em> Spent 10 hours in hospital yesterday. Observed bull dyke and mincing poodle staff members openly advertising their sexuality, touting for rough trade without actually saying it. I laughed, did not go down well so to speak. If a hetero said the same things they’d be accused of  harassment. </em>

    My dad was bloody crook in hospital, I came in to find him being looked after by some horrific looking tranny.  He was too crook to realise.  Bloody disgusting.


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  28. Roger says:

    Roger, about the NACCHO or whatever, where did you get that from?

    Appeared in my news feed this morning, BB.

    From The Guardian.

     

     


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  29. Bar Beach Swimmer says:
  30. Indolent says:

    JANET ALBRECHTSEN – The Australian

    Despite a couple of decent points, Janet doesn’t really get it.  She seems to be interested in foreign travel but doesn’t seem to realise that, for instance, all but a few shops in Sydney have been closed now for two months.  How can anyone make a living like that?  A clothing shop orders goods seasonally and they would all now have lost a full season of sales, but still have to pay for their stock.  How many will survive?  And that’s just a taste of what’s happening.  What about hairdressers, beauticians, mentioned above.

    At the very least, no government has the right to stop people earning a living.


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  31. rickw says:

    What are the scared Sheeple of Australia being drenched with today?


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  32. mh says:

    Cassie, Rae is a Grigs sock.

    One of many socks that he blows into.


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  33. struth says:

    One thing some of you need to come to terms with.

    Propaganda isn’t truth telling………………………………


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  34. srr says:

    “I wonder how many medical specialists there are in the world today.”

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    Far less than there are online “Influencers” trained to destroy the careers of the Medical Experts who dare go against the W.H.O.s Global Agenda Directives.


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  35. rosie says:

    Please tell us more Mrs Mangles.


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  36. jo says:

    I can’t get the quote button to work, cut & paste doesn’t either.


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  37. mh says:

    We’ve got one that can see 🕶

    ZNeveri
    @ZNeveri

    Aug 23

    Epic seeing the younger generation seeing through the lies being pushed on the world



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  38. Roger says:

    “Despite a couple of decent points, Janet doesn’t really get it.  She seems to be interested in foreign travel but doesn’t seem to realise that, for instance, all but a few shops in Sydney have been closed now for two months. ”

    What does your average intellectual know or care about shopkeeping?


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  39. jo says:

    Blackball I can’t stand the way Aboriginal people are treated like idiots. Not that I have known a lot but the ones I do know are far from it. Being used to line the pockets of Fauxboriginals and out n out scam artists has to stop.


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  40. Roger says:

    “Analysis of data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics shows that more than 10,000 jobs per day were lost in the first three weeks of the Sydney lockdown alone. That is equal to all the jobs created in NSW across the 2020-21 financial year.

    What took an entire year in lockdown-free NSW was destroyed in just a few weeks, showing it is naive to expect the economy to simply ‘bounce back’. With lockdowns, jobs go up the stairs but come down the escalator.

    ABS data also shows lockdowns favour some jobs over others. More than half a million jobs among the bottom fifth of income workers disappeared between March and November last year, while the top fifth saw jobs increase by nearly 200,000.

    The burden of Australia’s elimination strategy is borne overwhelmingly by the most disadvantaged.”

    The politicians responsible for this will, speaking out of the other side of their lying mouths, sermonise upon equity, as if that should absolve them for being held responsible for the pain they’ve inflicted on ordinary people.

    Read the whole thing:

    https://ipa.org.au/research/rights-and-freedoms/putting-a-price-on-the-cost-of-covid-lockdowns


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  41. mh says:

    Freedom!

    As of this week, all Israelis over 30 will be eligible to receive booster shots. By the end of the month, they are expected to be universally available to anyone over the age of 12 who received their second vaccine five months or more ago.

    Israel will then reconfigure its Green Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months.

     


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  42. Terry Pedersen says:

    Some heroic assumptions in the Doherty Institute’s latest guess at the future.

    Somehow they say the heath system is going to manage 385,983 cases and 1,457 deaths (their estimates) down to 2,737 cases and 13 deaths (again, their estimates).

    Contrast that with last night’s news that both Blacktown and Nepean Hospitals are at capacity and ramping ambulances while Westmead Hospital has declared a Yellow Emergency. That means it is no longer accepting COVID patients and is seeking 100 beds from the private hospitals in Western Sydney.

    There should be some tough questioning of Glad the Loudhailer this morning.


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  43. Figures says:

    “How many Australian children have died from Covid exactly?  This guy’s mendacity is breathtaking.”

     

    Surely you’ve realised by now how this all works.

     

    If a hundred kids die from a vaccine, that’s a worthy sacrifice and the parents should shut up and be happy about it.

     

    If one kid dies from a virus that’s an unacceptable loss and we need to move heaven and earth to ensure it doesn’t happen again.

     

    For some of us, we’ve been dealing with this logic for decades.

     

    The belief in vaccination is a mental illness.


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  44. Top Ender says:

    BTW, the italics button does not work.

    I think I posted on this yesterday.

    The Albrechtsen article above, for example, saw me highlight it all, and then press the italic button. When posted, it appeared though as normal text.

    One problem is that when formatting, if you do go through the process of italicising or whatever, there is no way – as there was on the old site – of seeing the text turn to italics or whatever before you post.


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  45. johanna says:

    mh says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:15 am

    “It’s safer indoors right now than outdoors… and not just for the virus,” she said.
    ***

    Brad Hazzard:

    “Right now the most dangerous place is actually our homes,” Mr Hazzard said on Sunday.

    “Aussies tend to think of their home as their castle, but right now it can be Covid central.

    Well spotted.

    It’s just like how the CAGW buffoons tell us that there will be more floods, but the dams will never fill again.

    These people are utterly shameless.



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  46. calli says:

    Top Ender, select and block the text you wish to

    italicise

    and use the pop-up button.

    You will see it in preview.


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  47. Old bloke says:

    Black Ball says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:10 am

    Roger, about the NACCHO or whatever, where did you get that from?

    Black fellas don’t really give 2 fornications about this. Of course if there was a financial reward forvaccination, everyone will form a line. What is the maxim in politics, beware the optics?

    _____________________________________________________–

    BB, you sounded rather despondent on Sunday, i.e.,  heading off to a bush campsite. What’s the problem, lockdowns getting you down or did your team lose on the weekend?



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  48. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Mark A says:
    August 25, 2021 at 12:11 am

    Some great ones there, Mark!  Especially the cat; the quack – one of the other half’s aunts always called them that; the “getting married” to slow the pace right down; smile; and the attempt to get to a sense of peace before starting work!

    btw, I love the flowers at the start – makes me feel like I’m actually getting some.
    thank you.


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  49. cohenite says:

    When the yanks, jimmy carter, seeded iran to the mullahs 10000s were slaughtered by the mongrel muslims; I reckon that level of depravity will be exceeded by the talifucks after the zombie’s deadline expires and the msm loses interest.

    And just like with carter nothing will happen to the zombie.


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  50. Vicki says:

    Epic seeing the younger generation seeing through the lies being pushed on the world

    Saw an interesting graph of the “disbelievers” of the “vaccine” the other day, based on education levels. It was sort of U shaped. The “dip” in the middle represented those with “advanced” education levels – i.e. those with basic degrees or some sort of tertiary qualification.

    The elevated numbers on either side of this “dip” were represented on the one side, by those with no more than a high school qualification, and the other side by PhDs!

    Explanation (or so it seems to me)?

    The PhDs are compulsive researchers, & have easily discovered the background to the whole vax debacle.

    The mob with just a basic education have the best “bullshit detectors” in the world & have reached the same conclusion.

    Makes  sense?


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  51. cohenite says:

    EXCLUSIVE: Internal Numbers Show White House Poised To Leave Several Thousand Americans Behind Enemy Lines In Afghanistan
    EXCLUSIVE: Internal Numbers Show White House Poised To Leave Several Thousand Americans Behind Enemy Lines In Afghanistan | The Daily Caller


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  52. Jorge says:

    On looming food shortages: couple of farmers up near the Goulburn in Vic interviewed yesterday saying they couldn’t harvest their lettuce etc. crop because no Islanders allowed in. Quarantine hotels all full with other arrivals. One farmer suggested a pathway through quarantine in Tassy needs to be set up but zero interest in his problem from Dan or anyone else.

    They seem resigned to ploughing it all back in even though the demand will be there. Absolutely insane.


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  53. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    BB  @ 9:42  last night.  I’m sorry to hear of your mate’s loss of his cousin, BB, and sending my prayers to them.  We’re going to see this happening over and over. And the politicians and health nazis will not be found for comment.

    To that end, I think it shocking and criminal that there is this push to jab kids with this stuff.  This morning on Sky a paediatrician was interviewed about the risk that ‘rona poses for children – none, she said.  They just get a mild illness like a cold.  Who in their right mind would risk their children’s health and future to stave that off?


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  54. incoherent rambler says:

    Jorge says

    =================

    All ok jorge, we can always buy food from Chyner.


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  55. mh says:

    Tucker – love it!

    I just hope Australia’s experience can at least do some good by teaching people of free nations not to become Australia.


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  56. H B Bear says:

    The elevated numbers on either side of this “dip” were represented on the one side, by those with no more than a high school qualification, and the other side by PhDs!

    Interesting.  I don’t think a Bachelors degree adds much than a few more years and growing up a bit anyway.  I may be wrong.


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  57. Terry Pedersen says:

    Glad the Loudhailer, Keeper of the Iron Pyrite Standard, the Typhoid Mary of 2021, and her morning presser cohort pushing vaccinations and avoiding talking about cases and deaths.

    919 new cases in NSW, 645 in hospital (up 37), 113 in ICU (up 6), 2 more deaths.


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  58. Steve trickler says:

    It is going to get ugly very soon. Someone will snap and cops will die.

    We don’t want that. Police need to break ranks and pull the pin on all this.

     


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  59. Vicki says:

    “What are the scared Sheeple of Australia being drenched with today?”

    Certainly not Ivermectin!!!!


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  60. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Vicki:

    <i>The PhDs are compulsive researchers, & have easily discovered the background to the whole vax debacle.

    The mob with just a basic education have the best “bullshit detectors” in the world & have reached the same conclusion.

    Makes  sense?</i>

    Vicki, I do think that average people – small business people and workers – have a far superior handle on common sense and how things really are/work in the real world.

    See that hairdresser on Sky earlier this morning that I referred to upthread.  This has a lot to do with constantly having to deal not only with laws, regulations and rules needed to run or work in a genuine business but also real customers.  They all know that they can’t discriminate against all those intersectional types; it’s not rocket science to work out that the unvaccinated, no matter what government may imply, could claim discrimination as well.

    On Sky, yesterday(?) Laura Jayes had one a weekly guest – not sure who he was but from what I picked up of the conversation midway through – he was pointing out that with lots of people in lockdown there’s nothing much to do except look up things online. He then referred to large numbers of people knowing about the Israel experience of the jab and the aftermath and vaccine hesitancy.


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  61. srr says:

    H B Bear says:
    August 25, 2021 at 9:30 am

    For the record I like quite a lot of the Rolling Stones stuff, especially the early Blues material and Like a Rainbow.

    =========================================

    Likewise. My siblings were a decade & a decade & a half older than me so when my contemporaries were in the likes of Slade to Bay City Rollers, I’d introduce then to my ‘oldies’ music such as The Rolling Stones.


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  62. Vicki says:

    “Who in their right mind would risk their children’s health and future to stave that off?”

    Answer: They are NOT “in their right mind”. They are part of a phenomenon of mass psychosis.


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  63. Steve trickler says:

    John Stossel:

    Georgia (the ex-Soviet Republic, not the U.S. state) is now ahead of the United States in economic freedom!

    Lessons From Georgia


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  64. johanna says:

    The rationale for injecting children is not that they are in any great danger, but that they act as vectors to the rest of the population if they get infected.

    How’s that for callous sacrifice of children for the Greater Good?

    Appalling.


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  65. Boambee John says:

    <i>Terry Pedersen says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:47 am

    Some heroic assumptions in the Doherty Institute’s latest guess at the future.</i>

    Perry the Very Tedious One has not yet realised that all, say again, all modeling represents simply the biases/personal inclinations of either the modeler or whoever commissioned the modeling. It is best perceived as an “influencer”.

    Perry is a very, indeed tediously, slow learner.


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  66. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    calli says:
    August 25, 2021 at 10:55 am

     

    You will see it in preview.

    calli, not seeing anything.🤪

     


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  67. candy says:

    The elevated numbers on either side of this “dip” were represented on the one side, by those with no more than a high school qualification, and the other side by PhDs!

    Possibly public servants of all levels  and HR type and other workers immersed in government and big company type environment are part of the “dip”?

    Being washed over with constant emails and office culture and so on.


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  68. calli says:

    The rationale for injecting children is not that they are in any great danger, but that they act as vectors to the rest of the population if they get infected.

    That is a rationale for those most at risk to be vaccinated.

    Why is this being lost in the babble?


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  69. calli says:

    BBS, don’t you type into a box?  If you see your typing as you type it, that is a “Preview”.

    If you wish to bold or italicise, select the word/words.  A pop-up will appear with B/I/W.  Press the feature you want and the selected word will change before your very eyes.

    Presto!


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  70. Black Ball says:

    Old Bloke the way things are going, be nice to head off and disconnect for a bit.


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  71. Baba says:

    645 in hospital (up 37), 113 in ICU (up 6), 2 more deaths.

    ********

    The withholding of early treatment will do that.

    You’re positive. Stay home. If you get really sick, call an ambulance.

     


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  72. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Johanna:

    <i>The rationale for injecting children is not that they are in any great danger, but that they act as vectors to the rest of the population if they get infected</i>

    The messaging on this – “get vaccinated to protect your community” – is where this starts.  It’s not about your life; it’s about you as a cog in the wheel of something bigger and more important than the individual.  Not communism; I think not.

    A personal experience of this a few weeks ago.  A friend saying when I said that I wasn’t going to have the jab, that I was piggybacking on herd immunity!  I responded that when I had my childhood vaccines and have my yearly ‘flu shot no one ever said “you’re doing this for your neighbour.”

    In fact, I said, my parents would not have got me vaccinated to protect some kid down the road – that was simply a by-product and secondary to personal vaccination status.


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  73. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    If you wish to bold or italicise, select the word/words.  A pop-up will appear with B/I/W.  Press the feature you want and the selected word will change before your very eyes.

    Presto!

     

    calli, not so on my laptop.


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  74. calli says:

    A friend saying when I said that I wasn’t going to have the jab, that I was piggybacking on herd immunity!

    That doesn’t even make sense.  If you get Covid and recover, an immune response is already triggered in you.  Without a vaccine.

    Obviously, if you are in a cohort that is now known to get seriously ill, you would consider vaccination to protect yourself .


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  75. calli says:

    Ahaha!  The Wonders of iPad.  😺


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  76. srr says:

    Vicki says:
    August 25, 2021 at 11:29 am

    “Who in their right mind would risk their children’s health and future to stave that off?”

    Answer: They are NOT “in their right mind”. They are part of a phenomenon of mass psychosis.

    ===============================================

    Which is why I’m as disgusted with the people selling the ‘normalisation’ of these experimental Jabs as I am with those who sell the ‘normalisation’ of ‘Trans’ Children.

    Both are sold to the world by the same WHO approved ‘medical experts’ & Media (‘Social ‘& MS), while the front line doctors having to clean up their mess and trying to warn the world of what they’re finding, are being smeared as ‘loopy’ & worse by the armies of MSM & mercenary ‘Influencers’.



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  77. twostix says:

    I said back in 2019 – when there was coincidentally massive lunatic media push on about ‘anti-vaxxers’ and ‘jabs’ in the media re the now completely forgotten ‘flu jabs’ – that the livestock management term: “herd immunity” is today’s equivalent of George Bush jokes.

    Something dumb people who think they’re smart smugly regurgitate in the office (or in zoom calls) to the applause of other dumb people.

    These vaccines don’t even pretend to prevent transmission, that’s literally the entire point of the threats of never ending masks and ‘lockdowns’.  Anyone who says ‘herd immunity’ in relation to them is a midwit, a cult lunatic or lying to your face.

     


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  78. Indolent says:

    Busta Rhymes rails against COVID lockdowns and masks: “No human being is supposed to tell you you can’t even breathe freely. Fuck your mask!”

    T. Grant Benson on Twitter: “Busta Rhymes rails against COVID lockdowns and masks: “No human being is supposed to tell you you can’t even breathe freely. Fuck your mask!” “Stop trying to take our civil liberties away…Energy is important.” https://t.co/CDpbTCk3bT” / Twitter

    Never heard of him but I like what he has to say (language).


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  79. rickw says:

    <em> Answer: They are NOT “in their right mind”. They are part of a phenomenon of mass psychosis. </em>

    This is indeed mass psychosis.  Very dangerous situation, many have lost their minds.


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  80. mh says:

    shoe
    @shoe0nhead

    22h

    i will not eat the squares



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  81. mh says:

    ‘I was petrified’: Scammers’ ploys to rob Australians

    Phone-number spoofing, fake arrest warrants on email and social media are among the scams that have cost Australians millions
    ***
    Australians cannot recognise a scam. Certainly not the Klaus Schwab scam.


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  82. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>For the record I like quite a lot of the Rolling Stones stuff, especially the early Blues material and Like a Rainbow</i>

     

    Older siblings do influence music tastes.  We have lots of Stones albums.  Heaps of great songs:

    Out of time, Not fade away; Paint it black; Far away eyes; Honky Tonk woman; Mother’s little helper; Get off my cloud; As tears go by; Miss you; You can’t always get what you want…

     


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  83. johanna says:

    calli, that doesn’t work on my desktop with Firefox either. The link button works, but none of the others (yet).

    Can’t be bothered with manual html. There are a few ways to indicate what is a quote and what is your comment without it, as we have seen. I can live without bold and italics until Adam has time to get everything working.

    Call me low maintenance.   🙂

     


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  84. Baba says:

    This is indeed mass psychosis.  Very dangerous situation, many have lost their minds..

    ***********

    Kill all the Tutsis. Now!

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking Australians are more rational than the Hutus.


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  85. srr says:

    BTW, there are some who are VERY ANGRY that some of the public posts made here on serious, public issues, are being shared elsewhere, the way sound thinkers & good writers everywhere have their thoughts shared around the world.

    I remember when it was a good thing to have your writing shared around the world.

    Having strangers approach just to thank you for, “What you wrote in the last issue of …”, another publication that reprinted your work, certainly wasn’t something to become enraged about … unless it was one’s job to prevent that sort of information flowing far & wide.


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  86. thefrollickingmole says:

    Nailed the colors to the mast a little bit at this mornings site meeting.

     

    Was promoting the companies push for vaxes (extra days pay, no compulsion or restriction) and was asked a few questions.

     

    Eventually shut the room up with ” There should be no compulsion to make people have a medical treatment, its unethical and forcing people to undertake medical procedures just to attend work is just shit”.

    A little too and fro on a few specifics but everyone seemed ok with the logic of compulsory medical testing/treatment and restrictions on people being crap.

    And I did couch it in “in my opinion” …

     

     


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  87. incoherent rambler says:

    Steve trickler says:
    August 25, 2021 at 11:25 am

    ===========================

    Correct


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  88. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    It is going to get ugly very soon. Someone will snap and cops will die.
    _______________________________

    It takes only one, then the dynamic will change completely.


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  89. H B Bear says:

    My iPad doesn’t seem to like the buttons either,  Haven’t opened my Win 10 laptop for 2 years.  When it’s time to throw it all out I’m going to try doing everything on a Surface machine.  Apple stuff is too expensive for me, although a basic wi-fi iPad isn’t too bad.


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  90. Old bloke says:

    Black Ball says:
    August 25, 2021 at 11:46 am

    Old Bloke the way things are going, be nice to head off and disconnect for a bit.

    ____________________________________________-

    Agree with that, it would be good to disappear with a caravan to a deserted beach somewhere, live on freshly caught fish and ignore the world for a while. I’ll need a caravan first though, where’s Custard?



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  91. Roger says:

    “Very dangerous situation, many have lost their minds.”

     

    Modern miseducation means many people never develop minds in the first place.

    That’s the bigger problem.


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  92. thefrollickingmole says:

    ABCcess had a bit about the Feraldton murder trial of the copper who shot the Aboriginal lady.

     

    Apparently jurors shouldnt be shown the place she died…

     

    Anyone who knows the particular street in Feraldton where it took place can tell you why.

     


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  93. Indolent says:

    Georgia (the ex-Soviet Republic, not the U.S. state) is now ahead of the United States in economic freedom!

    ******************

    That’s nothing.  We escaped from communist Hungary and now it’s a beacon of freedom and it’s a police state here.


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