Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. struth says:

    Not only you are wrong, I can show you why you are wrong if you listen for a moment instead of calling everyone else a “traitor”.

     

    Firstly not calling everyone a traitor, and secondly, if your actioins empower tyrants operating outside the rule of law, you are a criminal.

    The tyrants are criminals and you are empowering them when you obey them.

    Sometimes simple truths are the most offensive.

    But it doesn’t make them falsehoods.

    Just offensive.

  2. Black Ball says:

    Aeon Flux is on. Heard it’s pretty scheissenhausen, but Charlize Theron in figure hugging outfits is always good.

  3. Terry Pedersen says:

    “Bar Beach Swimmer says:
    August 24, 2021 at 9:48 pm

    Terry Pedersen says:
    August 24, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    You are disgusting; I think you should retract that now.”

    ***************************************************

    I think Lysander should retract what he said right before you and calli gave him a big welcome to the blog. But, free speech, so I won’t ask him to. And for the same reason, I won’t ask thefrollickingmole to retract what he said earlier in the day.

    What Lysander said is what I quoted. It’s the sort of stuff he habitually said on the now dead and gone catallaxyfiles.com. Seems he wants to continue it here.

    And, as for the mole, he’s a potty mouth who just can’t help himself.

    You can call both of them out, but I’ll be surprised if you do.

  4. Dot says:

    *“I only did what I was told” was not a defence before.*

     

    I am doing the bare minimum to not get fined to get essential items.

     

    On the other hand, tell us whenever the Maquis marched in formation right up to Herr Flick in real life.

  5. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “there’s a bubonic plague vax ?”

     

    For whatever reason, I was vaccinated against bubonic plague in 1980.

  6. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    FP,

    sent.

     

    BJ.

    👍

  7. struth says:

    These blokes have buckleys of pulling off that stunt these days.

    And remember it’s got to affect supplies which it won’t because the big companies won’t stop and they will get appaulling media.

    I should know.

     

    However, any and all open public opposition is a net good in getting others sitting on the fence , off their arses, and it can pressure the tyrants into making blues, being too heavy handed etc.

    So nothing anyone is doing should be condemned, but we need to actually close down any border that the Premiers have long since claimed to have been closed but weren’t.

    If people could just get that one fact through their thick skulls and think about just how many interstate truck crossings there have been daily for the last 19 months, they might wake up.

    But these people, who have had their smarts frightened out of them can’t work out what a vaccine is supposed to do.

  8. struth says:

    appalling spelling of appalling

  9. Indolent says:

    AMERICAN THINKER –

    “The elites are telling us what we can and can’t do, where we are not allowed to go and that we likely can’t have gainful employment. What are they afraid of?  Either the vaccinations work and they are protected or they don’t and they are lying.  I am sick and damn tired of the fulminations of those who purport to care yet use this pandemic to put their knees on the throats of those with whom they disagree. You do not shun people, ban them from public spaces, mock them as idiots, deny them gainful employment– and life-saving surgery— out of concern for their well-being.”

    Vaccine mandates may herald the end of the republic – American Thinker

  10. Thefrollickingmole says:

    Is the grigglebot/ Tediouson mixing up which sock puppet is being invited to ram it’s head up a dead wombats arse again?

     

    Sad

    Low energy

    Many such cases

  11. FlyingPigs says:

    BBS

    Your “The Dictator Man” lyrics are being added to,

    https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/thread/1360/dictator-man

  12. Steve trickler says:

    The bloke driving the Diesel needs to be known.

  13. struth says:

    The don’t care if you’re vaccinated or not…never have.

    It’s the great reset.

    And that’s global communism.

    What they need is a digital passport system to control everything you do.

    This was explained yet scoffed at March last year.

    And that’s a fact.

     

  14. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Terry Pedersen says:
    August 24, 2021 at 10:08 pm

    if you’ve got a problem with a comment, there’s always the “flag comment” button.  Go ahead; we’ll see if it goes down the gurgler like your’s did.

  15. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    FP,

    👍

    I didn’t think anyone was interested, apart from you & Joanna.

  16. Dot says:

    You mean the Afghans didn’t want to fight so they could work at Amazon while their women disrespect them from OnlyFans?

    Imagine my shock (Surprised Pikachu).

  17. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Imagine my shock (Surprised Pikachu)

     

    I was always more of a Surprised Astro Boy myself.

     

    ‘Uhhh?  Uhhh?’

     

    Good times.

  18. Terry Pedersen says:

    BBS

    Free speech, as I said.

  19. Mark A says:

    Bar Beach Swimmer says:
    August 24, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Does anyone know if Adam wants to continue with this enterprise?

    I do want it to work; I’d prefer not to leave. Any thoughts?

    So do I.

    I don’t post much, and the site badly needs improvement, but if or when it closes that will be it for me.

    None of the alternatives appeal to me.

    (entirely my fault of cause, nothing wrong with them just me being me)

  20. Thefrollickingmole says:

    Who is more nervous.

     

    The Afghan tic toc girl or the organisers of the Kabul gay pride parade?

    One of the more horrible things I noticed was there were dozens of programs set up for educating girls. Great initiative etc.

    But completely missing the cold hard fact that unless you convinced men it was worthwhile first you were wasting time and money for nothing.

    the emphasis on “ making” Afghani blokes allow women into society as equals meant there could never be any support given their status at the start.

    But rather than incremental improvement the wise mongoloids of NGOs and government decided all they had to do was wish harder and it would work.

  21. FlyingPigs says:

    @Dot

    I appreciate and respect mostly all of your comments.

    You even get a billing over at the furniture store and have done since November, 2020,

    https://freedomaustralia.freeforums.net/board/30/liberal-democrats

    But the fact there is compulsory voting with no option to refuse to elect, that the MSM is captured by the ruling elite, that they impose without even pretend voting UN declarations might indicate that we live in a Dictatorship…

    What is different in Australia to any other Dictatorship?

  22. Black Ball says:

    Knuckle Dragger, have you attended the Twenty 20 tournament in Darwin?

  23. cohenite says:

    Night all, I’m to bed to dream of the Younger Dryas.

  24. Steve trickler says:

    Hey Adam! Thanks mate.

    Don’t go anywhere.

     

    Man Of Steel: First Flight Scene

  25. Grigory M says:

    Bar Beach – I never did think much of it – hardly ever swam there. It was frequented by the Housing Commission flat occupants from Darby Street and Parkway Avenue. I preferred to surf at South Newcastle and Nobbys – better class of people at those 2 beaches.

  26. ikamatua says:

    ” better class of people”

    ..

    More supple leather?

  27. FlyingPigs says:

    Steve trickler says:
    August 24, 2021 at 11:14 pm

    Hey Adam! Thanks mate.

    Don’t go anywhere.

    Bill Gates has his whole bunker built in the Arctic Circle.

  28. egg_ says:

     It was frequented by the Housing Commission flat occupants

    Sounds like Coffs – great beaches, however.

     

  29. Dot says:

    What is different in Australia to any other Dictatorship?

     

    An uncanny valley where escape is still possible.

  30. FlyingPigs says:

    An uncanny valley where escape is still possible.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    good luck

  31. Dot says:

    Infidel Tiger spotted.

     

    Calvin Coolidge was right
    4 hours ago

    You know shit is real when Pauline Hanson is the voice of reason

  32. mh says:

    Greg Reese from last week:

    Locked Down Under!

    https://reesereport.com

     

  33. FlyingPigs says:

    If you are a true believer (Greens, Labor, Progressives) how can you support the Capitalist created and now Progressively imposed compulsorily Covid Vaccine without exposing yourself as a jellyfish just floating in the current?

  34. FlyingPigs says:

    Anyone that worries about AGW is a Luddite.

  35. egg_ says:

    If you are a true believer (Greens, Labor, Progressives) how can you support the Capitalist created and now Progressively imposed compulsorily Covid Vaccine without exposing yourself as a jellyfish just floating in the current?

    GM people now eating GM plants?

    Where’s the outrage?

     

  36. FlyingPigs says:

    Anyone that stops nuclear power is a ‘Greens’ Luddite and against seeing ‘the poor’ come out of poverty.

  37. FlyingPigs says:

    Thanks Mark A.

    Good job.

  38. FlyingPigs says:

    GM people now eating GM plants?

    Where’s the outrage?

    ++++++++++++++++++++++

    egg_

    that is a great point.

    The same Greens Luddite scum who have opposed every single modern Genetic Modification improvement in human food production now oppose folk who don’t want to be inoculated with a Genetically Modified vaccine that supposedly counteracts a Genetically Modified virus???

  39. egg_ says:

    Aussie Keystone Cops being Globally lampooned?

    Heaven forbid!

  40. FlyingPigs says:

    when do our Masters ban, for all of time, the concept of Sharia?

    Oh!… no democracy ever.

  41. mh says:

    Nancy must be proud
    Laura Ingraham exposes San Francisco’s decline
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ilvl_8g38xg

     

  42. srr says:

    The Vortex — Blundering Bishops and Biden

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtDgeok-RJg

    Aug 25, 2021
    Church Militant

  43. srr says:

    The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #204

    https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-204-24-08-21

    Published 24th Aug
    Carl and Callum discuss the optimism of Western media about the Taliban, how Larry Elder is terrifying California Democrats, and how the January 6th narrative has totally collapsed.

  44. Mark A says:

    Did You Know?

    The cost of a routine oil change and standard service on a Bugatti Veyron supercar is $21,000—more than the cost of most regular vehicles.

    To be fair, half the vehicle has to be dismantled to get to the 16 drain plugs in the process. Oil change is recommended yearly as nobody drives the 5-6 thou miles in these which would be the alternate benchmark.

     

    Cheapest model is around $2 mill dearest is $8.6

  45. FlyingPigs says:

    Mark A says:
    August 25, 2021 at 3:55 am

    Did You Know?

    The cost of a routine oil change and standard service on a Bugatti Veyron supercar is $21,000—more than the cost of most regular vehicles.

    ++++++++++++++++++++

    about as useful as a Tesla then?

    I think I’d rather have a landau than either one.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_(carriage)

  46. FlyingPigs says:

    What if public policy was controlled by people who are afraid of being put in the naughty corner by Google and Youtube?

    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/08/hello-conflict-alphabet-owns-youtube-google-and-12-of-company-that-makes-astrazenica-vax/

  47. struth says:

    Fell asleep so didn’t make this point regarding truck blockades/strikes.

    I’m only for a set decisive point making action.

    For example blocking only WA.

    To make a point of teaching people that their borders have never been closed by showing what happens when they really are.

    I know that the media will spin it in all sorts of ways or not mention it at all and we don’t want to do things that help the tyrants.

    And the next thing I’m going to say will be scoffed at but food shortages are desired and part of tyrannical control.

    They are planned….like hyperinflation to come shortly anyway.

    This Klaus tells us.

    When you are worried about eating and surviving you aren’t spending your time organising to overthrow the government.

     

  48. struth says:

    Although I’m not advocating it, the only way to get our freedom back is by making those that took it and those that support them suffer for it.

  49. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Black Ball, overnight:

     

    I most certainly am attending the T20 rep carnival here.

    In one form or another it’s been going on since mid June.  A series of one day fixtures with teams comprising Shield players from interstate, their second XIs hopefuls looking for contracts, with Premier Grade players from Vic, NSW, SA and Tassie along with a sprinkling of our local finest kicked it off.

    Then there was a three-match series with a CA XI playing a combined team of the above, and now we’re at the end of the T20 version.

    The standard’s pretty good.  Very good, in fact.  Most of the interstaters have been here for three months or more, thus escaping the latest round of this quarantine/lockdown idiocy.

  50. caveman says:

    “Scott Morrison’s caveman comments alienate Western Australia”
    A deplorable comment, McClown doesn’t like his minions compared to cavemen.

  51. Mater says:

    Although I’m not advocating it, the only way to get our freedom back is by making those that took it and those that support them suffer for it.

    ————————————————————-

    Sadly, there is much truth to this.

    People only really see the light, after it goes dark.

    If everyone was equally suffering from these lockdowns, nobody would be suffering from these lockdowns.

     

  52. Baba says:

    “Inside SAS drinking culture: Nude Twister with strippers, guns and ‘getting away with it’”
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-25/nude-twister-getting-away-with-it-and-the-sas-bar/100367410

    If the strippers were catamites, ABC say, “Totes cool”.

  53. Indolent says:

    The Biopharmaceutical Industry Provides 75% Of The FDA’s Drug Review Budget. Is This A Problem?
    The Biopharmaceutical Industry Provides 75% Of The FDA’s Drug Review Budget. Is This A Problem? (forbes.com)

    This article is from 2018.  It seems Big Pharma OWNS the FDA.

  54. Figures says:

     

    https://news.yahoo.com/ultra-vaxxed-israel-debacle-dire-073840050.html

     

    “Now Israel will reconfigure its Vaccine Passports, granting them only to the triple-vaccinated, and limiting their validity to six months.”

     

    It. Will. Never. End.

     

    The fact is that you are better off remaining unvaxed and riding out the ensuing apartheid because at some point everybody will know someone who has died or been permanently disabled due to one of the (soon to be) monthly boosters.

  55. struth says:

    Figures I believe your theories regarding proper vaccines off the planet but you are spot on regarding these genetic modifying non vaccines.

  56. H B Bear says:

    I remember reading about a German banker who took one of the original Mclaren F1s in for a service and they put it on the computer and it showed an average speed of 150 kph.  He said, “Yes, that sounds about right.”  Turned out he was using it for a one hour commute on the autobahn.

  57. Boambee John says:

    <i>Grigory M says:
    August 24, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    Bar Beach – I never did think much of it – hardly ever swam there. It was frequented by the Housing Commission flat occupants from Darby Street and Parkway Avenue. I preferred to surf at South Newcastle and Nobbys – better class of people at those 2 beaches.</i>

    Is anyone surprised that Grigoogle (and all his various socks) is a snob?

  58. Ruprecht says:

    It’s quiet here and no better at the Copy Cat, I’m afraid.

    KD I’m genuinely sorry to hear about your dad.

  59. Ruprecht says:

    If a Bulldogs NRL player gets busted for having a Ronny Coote in a khazi, how come his contracted NRL female co-rooter, doesn’t get sanctioned, equalidy and all?

  60. H B Bear says:

    No one likes surfing with housos eh Groogs?

    Sounds like you would be happier at Cottesloe on this side of the coast before heading to Eagle Bay.  (Disclosure:  I used to stay at a mate’s father’s place at Eagle Bay and it is actually very nice with a pretty short drive into Three Bears (no relation))

  61. H B Bear says:

    The Cat is dying.  It is just like ET when his finger was going out.

    Pull ya fingers out.

  62. Black Ball says:

    Struth, in regards to food shortages.

    I watched a short video yesterday that had American farmers destroying their crops. Apparently the government is paying them to do so under some guise of limiting carbon footprint or some such. I will try and find it to post here but it was quite confronting seeing those farmers destroy their livelihood.

  63. Rae says:

    I see that Lysander joined this new version of the Cat yesterday and immediately posted his colours to the mast by making a p*do reference to another commenter, Terry Pedersen. Apparently a later comment by Pedersen drawing attention to that reference, and to Lysander being welcomed here by Bar Beach Swimmer and calli right after making it, was deleted because Bar Beach Swimmer objected to it, but the original comment by Lysander remains intact. That is unfortunate as such references leave the blog and its owner open to legal action.

    Professor Davidson had some difficulty controlling people’s urges to make such comments, often chiding those who made them and deleting the offending comments. Regrettably, the serial offenders soon resumed the practice. The associated possibility of defamation proceedings being commenced was often raised and no doubt was one of the factors that led to his decision to terminate the old Catallaxyfiles. If it is not stamped on here then it is likely that this new version of Catallaxy will soon go the same way.

  64. H B Bear says:

    Dr Norman pumping the Doherty modelling,  “ …vaccination is the way out but only at very high levels.”  I can hear goal posts being moved.

  65. Black Ball says:

    Can’t seem to link it but it’s on Facebook.

  66. calli says:

    So, you thought 80% vaccinated was high?

     

    This from AMA WA president, Mark Duncan-Smith:
    “So even though it may or may not be more deadly, there’s going to be a lot more people that will get the Delta variant more quickly, and ultimately more people will die if we let this out of the bag any further.
    “If we go to end lockdowns and restrictions when we have only 55, 56 per cent of the total population vaccinated and none of our children vaccinated, then we are going to see an unacceptable death rate in our children.”  (ABC JustIn)
    How many Australian children have died from Covid exactly?  This guy’s mendacity is breathtaking.

  67. calli says:

    Sorry.  Formatting gone haywire.  The italics are the quote from ABC.  The rest is mine.

    Goalposts?  What goalposts?

    We’ll be crawling around on all fours and begging to be jabbed before they let us resume normal life, if ever.

  68. johanna says:

    The WA border closure applies automaticaly to everyone, right? Wrong:

    ‘But from midnight tonight, exemptions will be restricted to Commonwealth and state officials, members of Parliament and diplomats.’

    The nomenklatura are not even pretending. Sneakers is all in with it.

  69. calli says:

    Good grief.

    Who would have thought my “Hi Lysander” would cause such consternation?

     

  70. jo says:

    Knuckles read your memories of your Dad on the Refined Cat (not as refined as the previous time I looked). Very moving. I wish I could have said a quarter about mine. Best wishes.

  71. Vicki says:

    Hi Cats. I have just posted this on Jo Nova’s blog, & I hope it might be useful to those Cats who are committed to opposing the current “vaccines” & are finding it “hard going” in the community.

    Astounding ignorance of the professional disagreement amongst leading virologists and immunologists around the world in respect to the COVID “vaccines” is apparent throughout the general population in Australia.

    I have compiled the following list of the leading opponents of the vax program with which to counter all the sanctimonious critics of my position. I would suggest many of you could use this document for the same purposes. Please add to it where you can.

    List of Medical Specialists who oppose the current vaccines

    Dr. Mike Yeodon, virologist, former Chief Scientific Officer and Vice President , Allergy and Respiratory Research Head with Pfizer Global Research & Development, and co-Founder of Ziarco Pharma Ltd.

    Dr. Geert Vanden Boisse, PhD, virologist & vaccine expert, formerly with Gates Foundation, Former Head of Vaccine Development Office, Centre for Infection Research, Germany

    Dr. Tom Borody, PhD, Australian recognised for groundbreaking clinical work in complex infective disorders. Currently developing triple drug therapy for Covid 19.

    Dr. John Ioannidis, Prof. of Medicine & Epidemiology, Stanford University. Recognised as one of the world’s most influential scientists.

    Dr. Peter McCullough, Prof. of Medicine, epidemiologist & cardiologist, Univ. College of Medicine, Dallas, Texas

    Dr. Robert Malone, virologist and immunologist, inventor of mRNA gene therapy when working for Salk Institute.

    Dr. Beda Stadler,Emeritus Professor & Director of Immunology, Bern, Switzerland.

    Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, Retired microbiologist, University of Mainz, Germany

    Dr. Roger Hodkinson, Pathologist & MD (Cambridge UK), Chair of Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons, Canada

    Dr. Tess Lawrie, consultant to WHO, Director of evidence based Medicine Consultancy, UK

    Dr. Pierre Kory, Critical care physician, Frontline Critical Care Alliance

    Dr. Wolfgang Wodarq, Epidemiologist & specialist in lung disease & environmental medicine, former Head of Public Health dept, Germany.

    Prof. Christian Perrone, Head of Medical Dep., Raymond Poincare Hospital, Paris.

    Dr. Damian Wojcik, NZ specialist in integrative medicine, Master of Forensic Medicine (Monash)

    Prof. Dolores Cahill, microbiologist & immunologist

    Bret Weinstein, evolutionary biologist, former Prof. of Biology, Evergreen State, USA

    [BTW I haven’t included Dr. Zelenko, though I appreciate his stance, because he can be easily dismissed by critics because of the Trump association]

  72. candy says:

    “Getting Away With It (All Messed Up) tune”
    But former SAS members believe it had more sinister and literal overtones for the men of the regiment who sang it over and over again. It was very significant. Very significant. It was almost like a theme song.”
    *********************************

    So the ABC is implying that “Getting Away With It” was a theme song about killing Afghans for fun and getting away with it. At the end of the article you realise what their message is.

    I wonder if they made the nude Twister thing up.  Nude men everywhere except one in “budgie smugglers”, a term lefty types use in a certain way.

    I don’t know if men getting drunk at a party after work immediately take off all their clothes.  It all sounds very exaggerated.

  73. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>Grigory M says:
    August 24, 2021 at 11:18 pm

    Bar Beach – I never did think much of it – hardly ever swam there. It was frequented by the Housing Commission flat occupants from Darby Street and Parkway Avenue. I preferred to surf at South Newcastle and Nobbys – better class of people at those 2 beaches.</i>

    So you left with most of the other dregs…

    And reminds me of your reference not so long ago to Susan Gilmore – which told me a hellava lot about you.

     

     

  74. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Syed Hussein, wanted by WA Police over Balga murder, pleading for evacuation to Perth from Kabul

    Michael TraillThe West Australian

    Tue, 24 August 2021 7:51PM

    Syed Hussaini wants to return to Perth from Afghanistan Credit: Supplied/Supplied

    A man wanted by police over a brutal Balga killing, before he fled to Afghanistan, is reportedly trying escape the Taliban in Kabul and return back to Perth.
    Syed Hussein has been linked to the death of drug-dealer Dejan Dimitrovski, who was found dead inside his heavily fortified Balga home after being savagely attacked by several men in August 2017.
    The group allegedly inflicted severe blunt force injuries to Mr Dimitrovski’s face and a compression injury to his neck over a suspected drug debt.

    Victim Dejan Dimitrovski. Credit: Supplied
    Mr Hussein — an Australian citizen — is now pleading with Commonwealth authorities to fly him to Perth from Kabul after he used his brother’s passport to leave WA, Nine News reported on Tuesday night.

     

    Too bad, so sad?

  75. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>H B Bear says:
    August 25, 2021 at 8:40 am

    The Cat is dying.  It is just like ET when his finger was going out.

    Pull ya fingers out</i>

    +1

     

    Bear, we need to talk; be commenting, not just lurkers.

  76. Vicki says:

    I would also like to take the opportunity to sincerely thank all the contributors to this, & to the old Catallaxy blog, for their commitment to unafraid free speech.

    I fear we are going to encounter very, very dangerous days. Like most of you, I have been astounded not just by the fear mongering and total disinterest in medical dissent (OS) to the novel vaccines, but also by the anger festering amongst the vaccinated who see dissenters as threats to the promise of a “return to normal life”.

    God bless all of you & never lose your passion for freedom of speech and diversity of opinion.

  77. H B Bear says:

    Imagine Groogs taking legal action over the Cat.  The line for witnesses would go round the block.  I would even brief Gargooglery MD QC.

  78. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Bear, sorry, I don’t think that was clear enough –  we all need to starting commenting – not singling you out 😂

  79. H B Bear says:

    Does death have to mean the end of geriatric rock?

  80. Franx says:

    It’s odd that although in some sections of society momentum is gathering against the powers that be, in others there is a distinct distancing with claims of a circumspection of sorts. Thus, there is:

    Yes, I was right, I told  you way back, the truckies should blockade. But wait. Not them. Not yet.

    Yes, I was right, way back, when I told you something about something. But it’s too late now.

    Yes, I am right because somebody did something to protest but this was not clever, if you ask me.

    Yes, I agree,  of course, we need to protest. But not these kinds of protests where people thought it was fun to confront the police.

    Yes, of course, it’s important that people are heard. But we need sensible demonstrations, where people are sun-smart and camera conscious while wearing hats and pretending they are promenading next to a film set.

    Ah, well.

    On another:

    That Aussie Cossack has hit a nerve with his record of names and pics of police who are both decent and otherwise.

  81. calli says:

    Keef will outlive us all.

    We know this.

  82. rosie says:

    I wonder how many medical specialists there are in the world today.

  83. Ruprecht says:

    Hopefully Bear, hopefully

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