Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. struth says:

    How will the dynamic change completely?

    Honest question.


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  2. thefrollickingmole says:

    Suburbs Karloo

    Number of Dwellings.    226

    Number of Burglaries 48

    Ratio  21.24%

     

    https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50b0d42ce4b07246015066ea/t/55a6c361e4b0e1dc20a7f599/1436992353327/Crime+Comparison+Statistics.pdf

     

    It is the single highest crime area in Western Australia.

    The worst Perth suburb has a ratio of…. 6.89%

     

    Its so bad people waiting for public housing refuse to go there.

     

     


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  3. Terry Pedersen says:

    “Can’t be bothered with manual html.”

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    Manual html doesn’t work either. Not since the buttons were added to the comment box.

    If it did, or if the buttons worked, I could have made my now deleted late last night comment much clearer.


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  4. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Old bloke:

    <i>Agree with that, it would be good to disappear with a caravan to a deserted beach somewhere, live on freshly caught fish and ignore the world for a while. I’ll need a caravan first though, where’s Custard?</i>

    Old bloke, I’ve been musing on this for quite a while.  Especially this increasing interest in off-road-way-out-back-travel underpinned by almost complete self-sufficiency, which speaks to a general desire to be left alone.

    I’ve never been interested in caravanning but if we got the right gear I think I could take to it, just to get away from all these dictators.  Close the place up and go…

    I suppose one happy thought to go on with is that the roads and camping places will be emptied once all those jabs kick in! (For the resident trolls, that was black humour).


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  5. Figures says:

    “Don’t make the mistake of thinking Australians are more rational than the Hutus.”

     

    Are you kidding? The percentage of Hutus who believe there are 80,000 genders is zero. That alone makes them infinitely more rational than Australians.


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  6. Farmer Gez says:

    TaliDan & The Lockdowns are selling vaccine tickets for a VCE jab jive.

    Only if they can get the gear to peddle from the Feds to the kiddies though.

    Vaccine supply politics alive & kicking.


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  7. srr says:

    “nilk — Today at 12:58
    https://discord.com/channels/870154322476945408/870209705367175178/879922576904814622
    Hmm. Just heard that TNT, FedEx, Toll and StarTrack have approved the stop work action next week for the truckies. That came from a driver.”


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  8. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    <i>Are you kidding? The percentage of Hutus who believe there are 80,000 genders is zero. That alone makes them infinitely more rational than Australians</i>

    Figures, that wins for today!


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  9. Crossie says:

    We have become a butt of the world’s jokes for our lockdown insanity.  There is a manhunt for a man who sneezed in a  lift.  We are not allowed to watch a sunset.   We are urged bit to speak to our neighbours.

     

    Then there is the reports on rescue dogs being shot to keep people from travelling to adopt them.  That has actually caused revulsion.

    Great going, every one of our corrupt politicians.  What took Paul Hogan years to build in the way of overseas tourist advertising and with his movies, these absolute horrors have destroyed in a few weeks.


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  10. thefrollickingmole says:

    Im not saying he should be forcibly injected with battery acid in the testicles, then made to drink the festering residue before being thrown in a pit to starve to death.

    But if it were to happen Id buy the person doing so a beer.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/25/australia-entered-afghanistan-as-bullies-and-left-as-cowards-but-we-the-people-can-do-better

     

    Suck a fuckstick, one of his wails is “by ignoring cultural norms”, well ben of little brain, cultural norms are exactly what the people of Afghanistan are having restored to them.

    The sheer idiocy of people saying ‘we must respect their ways” and then being surprised when they revert to those norms is pathological.


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  11. Chris says:

    Wow, buttons above!

    Are you kidding? The percentage of Hutus who believe there are 80,000 genders is zero. That alone makes them infinitely more rational than Australians.

     

    Sad. The herd mentality is amazing, no herd immunity against it.

     

    Speaking of which, the articles on the ABC in this mornings Oz look ugly. If we are going to have their ABC running such consistent false propaganda as they have, ‘we’ need to establish a moral case to not watch or use the ABC and try to make it go viral.

     

     


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  12. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    There is a manhunt for a man who sneezed in a  lift.
    Then there is the reports on rescue dogs being shot to keep people from travelling to adopt them.
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    Both of those are incomplete information & extreme over egging of the pudding.

    The “Don’t watch the sunset or you’ll end up in hospital” & “Don’t talk to your neighbours” are bang on the money.

    Alas overseas viewers are blaming the whole country for the actions of a few Premiers & CHOs jammed into one small corner of the country.

    I’m somewhat disappointed in Tucker Carlson & Ron De Santis.  They should be well aware of the separation between state & federal, and both of them should know bluddee well that the Army assistance (while unpalatable to many in Australia) is neither “Martial Law in Australia” nor is it “Law enforced at bayonet point”


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  13. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    … the articles on the ABC in this mornings Oz look ugly. If we are going to have their ABC running such consistent false propaganda as they have, ‘we’ need to establish a moral case to not watch or use the ABC and try to make it go viral.
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    Not only is Their ABC looking unhinged with these Trump episodes, there’s not even a tangential bit of relevance to Australia or for Australian audiences.


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  14. Old School Conservative says:

    I like what he has to say (language).

    I’ve been reflecting on my increasing use of foul language recently.

    I put it down to frustration with our politicians and the effects of lockdown, especially not being able to see family and friends.

    However the main reason is my inability to change the major problems we face, in particular the totalitarian rules set by Premiers.

    I guess I should just harden the fuck up.


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  15. mh says:

    ‘Great going, every one of our corrupt politicians.  What took Paul Hogan years to build in the way of overseas tourist advertising and with his movies, these absolute horrors have destroyed in a few weeks.’
    ***

    My sister rang me up a couple of weeks back from the UK. I asked about the large extended family in the UK and had any of them ever got sick or died from Covid. She went around the block a couple of times before telling me the answer – NIL.

    I then told her about the Covidians of Australia. She texted me the next day to say thanks for telling her about Australia.


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  16. Old School Conservative says:

    Salvatore.

    In what way is this SMH report “incomplete information & extreme over egging of the pudding.”?

     

    “Several impounded dogs due to be rescued by a shelter have instead been shot dead by a rural council in NSW under its interpretation of COVID-19 restrictions, alarming animal activists and prompting a government probe.

    Bourke Shire Council, in the state’s north-west, killed the dogs to prevent volunteers at a Cobar-based animal shelter from travelling to pick up the animals last week, according to council’s watchdog, the Office of Local Government.”

    Looks horrible to me and all the media outlets who also reported the same incident.


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  17. incoherent rambler says:

    I’ve been reflecting on my increasing use of foul language recently.

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    Fuck no. Don’t worry about it, just let it all out.


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  18. a reader says:

    mh…similar conversation with a close friend in the UK. She was staggered and gobsmacked because even London in the worst of it didn’t have this insanity.


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  19. Rorschach says:

    <i>It is going to get ugly very soon. Someone will snap and cops will die.</i>

    I suspect that it will not be cops that die.  Australians will not do that.  But it’ll be a “protester” that dies.  Either some fool that throws a brick at the cops, or more likely, the innocent next to the provocateur.  And if the protests continue – rinse and repeat.

    Cops know that you can blow away “right wing” protesters – like Ashley Babbit – with impunity.  And it has a desired effect: No more protests!


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  20. Old School Conservative says:

    BBS.

    The olden days of Sinc’s Cat had a typing box and a separate Preview box.

    Those days are gone, just like honourable politicians, truthful Health Officers, larrikin Aussies, legitimate US elections, and police enforcement done with the support of the population.


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  21. Crossie says:

    Sal, I agree with you about too much being made of some of those things however, it’s our own media that made it sound worse than it is.  I also can’t blame the rest of the world’s media for picking it up and blowing it up further, that’s how the world works.  It’s our governments who are without sense.  I expected better from Scotty from marketing.


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  22. thefrollickingmole says:

    Retry comment….

     

    Im not saying he should be forcibly injected with battery acid in the testicles, then made to drink the festering residue before being thrown in a pit to starve to death.

    But if it were to happen Id buy the person doing so a beer.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/aug/25/australia-entered-afghanistan-as-bullies-and-left-as-cowards-but-we-the-people-can-do-better

     

    Such a moron, one of his wails is “by ignoring cultural norms”, well Ben of little brain, cultural norms are exactly what the people of Afghanistan are having restored to them.

    The sheer idiocy of people saying ‘we must respect their ways” and then being surprised when they revert to those norms is pathological.


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  23. Vicki says:

    “Does anyone know the truth about this? If correct it is being kept very quiet!

    ttps://prwire.com.au/pr/91367/ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol-for-covid-19-released-to-australian-gps-as-treatment-for-infected-elderly-and-frontline-workers?fbclid=IwAR0zqcP-yXtHRlD5aQR-qH3Q92PtyQP_ggw4wEj8OFzcj3RFezSTeozIXTA#.YSTkJtQq-dI.twitter”

    Yes, I do know the truth. The “August” date of the press release was AUGUST 2020! Many have been disappointed when they come across the link, only to find it did not come to pass.

    It promised so much, and came to naught, as far as I know. Borody had nailed it, but forces too great were opposed to it, and we know why.

    I recall that Borody intended to go to the USA to get his triple therapy produced in a triple blister pack for marketing. I guess Big Pharma would have none of that!


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  24. Vicki says:

    “Obviously, if you are in a cohort that is now known to get seriously ill, you would consider vaccination to protect yourself .”

    You might consider that, Calli, or you might consider that the vaccination itself might make you seriously ill.

    And further, you might consider, considering the statistics provided by OS (providing far greater data than the small sample in Australia so far) , that there is, in fact, very little chance of becoming seriously ill with COVID.


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  25. Cold-Hands says:

    Brislurker says:
    August 25, 2021 at 12:43 pm

    Does anyone know the truth about this? If correct it is being kept very quiet!

    ttps://prwire.com.au/pr/91367/ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol-for-covid-19-released-to-australian-gps-as-treatment-for-infected-elderly-and-frontline-workers?

    Isn’t this just Professor Borody’s press release from last year? That’s when he first recommended Ivermectin triple therapy.


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  26. Terry Pedersen says:

    “Does anyone know the truth about this? If correct it is being kept very quiet!

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    Isn’t this just Professor Borody’s press release from last year? That’s when he first recommended Ivermectin triple therapy.”

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    <a href=”https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/risks-importing-ivermectin-treatment-covid-19>Ivermectin is Not Approved for the Treatment of COVID-19</a>


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  27. Terry Pedersen says:

    <a href=”https://www.tga.gov.au/media-release/risks-importing-ivermectin-treatment-covid-19″>Ivermectin is Not Approved for the Treatment of COVID-19</a>


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  28. calli says:

    I understand all that Vicki.  That’s why I said “might consider”.

    Not rushing around with your hair on fire begging for a jab, or berating others for not getting it, or whinging because none is available.

    I have other reasons for not getting AZ and my age group precludes me from getting anything else, if I so desired.  I utterly reject the idea of mandating vaccination, or segregating or refusing service to the unvaxxed – it’s disgusting and inhumane and evil.

    Already I see our social structures falling on either side of the vaccination divide – this is a potential fault line that will split society.  While idiots are pointing at distraction squirrels like race and gender, this thing is gaining a real and lethal foothold.


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  29. Vicki says:

    This, from “American Thinker” yesterday. (Author: Terry Paulding):

    Way back in January, I wrote an article here titled Munchausen by (government) proxy.  I felt that we were on the wrong track — and that was before we started our mass vaccination drive.  Munchausen by proxy is a mental illness diagnosis, where the caregiver convinces someone that he is ill, then takes control over his life.

    I personally think I called it correctly — and if you look at places like Australia, where totalitarian lockdowns have become commonplace, it’s hard to call that anything but a mental illness sapping those in charge of all common sense.  There’s a secondary mental health condition called Stockholm syndrome.  It’s where someone, generally someone taken hostage, starts to identify with the captors.  An emotional bond forms.  Seeing the abject fear and dependence on government and the willingness to give up basic rights among many people, I think this applies as well.

    It’s disturbing to see our cities rush to ban unvaccinated people from living their lives.  The relentless pressure to get the jab will be even more fierce.  For those of us unwilling to be guinea pigs, life could get even more difficult.

    One thing I want to note before ending.  Despite the continual barrage of scare porn from the government and the press, if you want to see what the reality is with COVID infections and deaths, check this site.  It’s kept up to date.  You might be shocked at how few people are dying from COVID right now.


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  30. Grigory M says:

    Like this Terry P:

    Ivermectin is Not Approved for the Treatment of COVID-19

    The LINK button does work. Click on it and enter the link address details.

    Cheers


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  31. cohenite says:

    Bongino’s episode today has a segment where a beautiful conservative black lady confronts an absolute skank of a liberal cow, purple hair, bald on one side, nose rings and about 200lb of excess shiny, white fat, protesting in favour of BLM and against white supremacy.

    The black lady notes that not all women matter, only women who are prepared to be victims and tokens for the BLM commies. The skank can’t get away quick enough.

    And that’s what it’s going to take: the victims, black Americans, 3rd nations here, calling out the racism and sexism of these lefties. Some call this racism soft racism because it implies blacks are helpless without the patronising help of these lefties. But I don’t think its soft at all; I think its insidious because it allows the left to keep the blacks in their place as victims and perpetuate the hideous living conditions they endure in the US and here. As Candice Owens and Jacinta Price say it infantilises the blacks, insults them and keeps them in this victimhood trap.

    The left are filth:

    Ep. 1590 The Intell On The Ground In Afghanistan Is Getting Worse – The Dan Bongino Show (rumble.com)

     


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  32. Lizzie of Sydney says:

    “Sorry, not buying your insincere opposition to a passport.”

    Struth, I made clear that I am against mandatory vaxxes and vaccine passports for any purposes within Australia.  Nothing ‘insincere’ about my opposition there.

    As for a vaxx, I am vaxxed because I am in a high risk group and don’t want to get Covid.  I’m also vaxxed because it makes me less at risk of dying when travelling and it is less of a hassle to enter other countries if one is vaxxed.  I have travelled in the past in countries where vaxxes for various diseases are mandatory and am happy to accept a vaxx for such purposes. Their country, their rules.  I’m happy also to help improve Australia’s levels of resistance to Covid and possibly to further variant development by being vaxxed.  Other can do it by catching Covid, their call.  All vaccines carry risks.  Accept these , or reject the vaxx.  A personal decision.

    I’ve said this a thousand times on the Old Cat and a few times here too.

    I am not going to engage in vaccine discussions here any more.

    Not a lot of point.

    Better vaccines are in the pipeline anyway.  May be too late for some.

     

     


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  33. Grigory M says:

    Sorry Terry P – didn’t get it quite right. Maybe this time:

     

    Ivermectin is not approved for the treatment of COVID-19


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  34. cohenite says:

    Like this Terry P:

    Ivermectin is Not Approved for the Treatment of COVID-19

    The LINK button does work. Click on it and enter the link address details.

    The link is broken: page not found.


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  35. Mother Lode says:

    <<What took Paul Hogan years to build in the way of overseas tourist advertising and with his movies, these absolute horrors have destroyed in a few weeks.>>

    Nah! It’s all good. Nothing that can’t be fixed with loads of money.

    And it will be an opportunity to update the image.

    Picture this:

    Shots of a pasty flimsy man in gaudy make up and a dress (that showcases what he was thinking when he said he was really a woman) riding a ferry, posing in front of the Opera House, holding up fabulous dresses in salon, picking at a lobster, dry-humping a koala. Lots of whooping and tittering, noisy air kisses, batting eye-lashes, double entendres (well, single really) delivered as if daring you to admit understanding, and leaning against every person he meets and drawing his fingers along them like flirtatious toying.

    Finishes with a big slobbering kiss on the camera lens and a voice over We want to touch you down under!”

    We will be world will be beating a path to our door.

    Backdoor even.


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  36. thefrollickingmole says:

    Was going to guest post this but here will do.

     

    Do we save the administrative state?

     

    The thoughts in this article were triggered by one of the most RTWT pieces produced over the last week or so since it was shown that EVERY agency, military, civilian and NGO involved in Afghanistan was worse than clueless.

    https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2021/08/16/farewell-to-bourgeois-kings/

     

    Hundreds of thousands of experts, top in their respective fields, all failed to see 20 years and trillions of dollars were no match for hard men with a cause. CIA, FBI, NSA, UN, ASIO, Medicans san Frontiers, Oxfam, and a thousand other trustafarian dilettantes all poured time & resources onto sand.

     

    Im not going to rehash the points made in that, and other well written articles about the failure. Its catastrophic, all consuming and cannot be denied.

     

    Instead Im going to focus on trying to save the administrative state.

    Something I hate personally but will credit with (in its original forms) assisting in reducing inequalities and regulating behaviour between the classes.

     

    What Im afraid of: A turn to rule by emotion, breeding, wealth, or personal influence and connections. Tsarist Russia might be seen as the epitome of this, which led to the horrible spiral of repression, oppression then revolution.

     

    In my opinion there is only one key way to save the administrative state.

    The bureaucracy must learn to fear the general public.

    The local planning officer should flinch when a permission is requested knowing if they apply the regulations capriciously or in a way that damages an individual they will lose their job and be liable for economic loss.

    The Clean energy finance guru should shit his pants seeing electricity prices rise, knowing, without a doubt hes about to be sacked and blacklisted from any similar position.

    The various health authorities inflicting economic and mental ruin on hundreds of thousands of people need to be jailed and their departments disbanded, every person in them marked as pariah.

    Politicians must be made to enact legislation through parliament only, not assign vast reams of law making and regulation to self interested silos of various regulatory agencies. And when one of those regulations causes harm to an individual they must be held personally accountable for the losses suffered.

     

    We exist in an awful state at the moment which I would call anarcho-tyranny, where we are sowed incredibly thickly with laws and regulations, yet connections or money mean they are selectively applied.

    Billy Bongsmoke cant leave his LGA for fear of a fine equal to 3 months of his disability pension, yet Nicole Kidman flys in direct from Singapore because shes ‘economically vital”.

    The only way out is complete accountability.

    We need lawyers prepared to lodge thousands of damages claims every time a new regulation is enacted.

    We need a political party that removes any ability of the bureaucracy to generate law or regulation without compensation paid up ahead of its imposition to those affected.

    And lastly we need sackings and consequences for every fuckup. No shuffling sideways, no mercy, if a bureaucrat has blighted another persons life with a bad decision then justice demands they face a similar penalty as restitution.

     

    This and only this approach will save the administrative state.

    As it exists it is an almost completely closed self serving loop. Appeals and complaints pit atomised individuals against organisations wallowing in OPM and effectively unlimited resources. And “watchdogs” supposed to provide some accountability are designed to respond to the bureaucracy, not the individuals affected.

    Introducing fear of the public is the only way to make the managerial class realise the danger they are in.

    They honestly don’t realise in many cases they harm they inflict, and with a near complete absence of painful personal stimuli have no reason to do so.

     

    With no skin in the game they are ignorant enough to reach for repression as their tool of choice.

    Democratic repression is no better than repression by Theocracy , Monarchy or any of the charnel house “isms” of the 20th Century.

    I am genuinely concerned we return to the age of “Propaganda of the Deed”, where people ruined by government fiat decide that just smashing stuff up and becoming ungovernable is as legitimate as voting for the uniparties every 4 years.


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  37. Brislurker says:

    This whole Invermectin thing is getting really weird.

    This article is from the Cairns News and posting an article from Australian National Review dated 13th August, 2021. Is it old news, new news or are authorities starting to cover themselves now that vaccines are not preventing repeat doses of covid? It is all getting very confusing.

    https://cairnsnews.org/2021/08/13/australian-gps-can-legally-prescribe-ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol/


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  38. jo says:

    As Effie said, Australians? how embarrassment.


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  39. Grigory M says:

    Fixed at 3.18pm cohenite.


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  40. Indolent says:

    Sal, I agree with you about too much being made of some of those things however, it’s our own media that made it sound worse than it is.

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    How much worse can it get when they’re closing coffee shops and takeaways in Melbourne and telling you not to watch the sunset?


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  41. Steve trickler says: