Catallaxy crowdsource – Ivermectin

The most recent google result for ivermectin was from a site called “the scientist” with a post titled – Ivermectin (still) lacks scientific support as a covid-19 drug.

I won’t do the honour of linking to it but to see such disinformation in such trying times is disheartening.

Nonetheless we must persevere and I am currently piecing together a history of Ivermectin in relation to covid-19. The goal is to have something persuasive enough to improve the discussion around the topic. Perhaps if we can get it shared far and wide we might make a difference. At a minimum I will have something to share in my frequent Facebook battles against the army of Karen’s.

It is turning into quite a challenge and with Google doing it’s best to bury results I thought this might be an opportunity for us Cats to go against our nature and work collaboratively.

I am asking for you to leave in the comments any links and dates that would be relevant to the task ahead. In particular I am looking for:

  • studies undertaken
  • comments from prominent people
  • any expert testimonial in front of governing bodies
  • creation of doctor/expert political groups on the topic
  • real world examples of the use of ivermectin and the results (which is surprisingly difficult)
  • anything else you may feel is relevant
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137 Responses to Catallaxy crowdsource – Ivermectin

  1. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I linked this one yesterday on the OT:

    Double-Blind Ivermectin Study Reveals COVID Patients Recover More Quickly, Are Less Infectious (4 Aug)

    A double-blind Israeli study has concluded that Ivermectin, an inexpensive anti-parasitic widely used since 1981, reduces both the duration and infectiousness of Covid-19, according to the Jerusalem Post.

    “Our study shows first and foremost that ivermectin has antiviral activity,” said Schwartz, adding “It also shows that there is almost a 100% chance that a person will be noninfectious in four to six days, which could lead to shortening isolation time for these people. This could have a huge economic and social impact.”

    The study, which appeared on the MedRxiv preprint server and has not yet been peer-reviewed. That said, Schwartz pointed out that similar studies – ‘though not all of them conducted to the same double-blind and placebo standards as his’ – also showed favorable results for the drug.

    No doubt the Israeli medical scientists will be pilloried, but this result is in keeping with others I’ve seen, plus experience in countries like India.


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  2. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    While I’m here I’ll add two that I have bookmarked and another one I saw some weeks ago.

    Ivermectin docks to the SARS-CoV-2 spike receptor-binding domain attached to ACE2 (June 2020)

    It’s a binding site modelling study, but it is a formal scientific paper, and it is useful to demonstrate why ivermectin works: by stuffing up the spike protein binding to the ACE2 receptor.


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  3. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    And from Jo Nova last week:

    The battle worth fighting for: Let us and our doctors choose what medicine we take (30 Jul)

    In it you’ll find a link to a number of articles, especially one called ” The Ivermectin Review: showing how it may prevent 86% of Covid cases.” There’s also a useful link to Greg Hunt saying that GPs can prescribe ivermectin off-label, which is useful for an appeal to authority.


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  4. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    And the fourth:

    Study reveals characteristics of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (29 Jul)

    Dutch’s team also examined the role of key host factors in cell-to-cell fusion. In addition to binding the virus to target cells, the spike protein can cause fusion between the cell it is made in and a neighboring cell, an effect seen in the lungs of COVID-19 patients.

    Dutch says there has been relatively little research done on the spike protein’s cell-to-cell fusion or stability, so the study will contribute to giving researchers a full picture of how the proteins are made and how they function.

    This one isn’t about ivermectin, but is about why expression of the spike protein on the surfaces of cells due to the mRNA vaccines can have damaging effects – especially clot formation. The spike protien binds with an ACE2 receptor in a passing blood cell and causes the two cells to fuse.

    The Noavax vaccine is probably better since it is apparently a nanoparticle with spike proteins on it’s surface – much more like a killed-virus vaccine formulation. That should make clot formation much less likely.

    At the same time since ivermectin interferes with the spike protein binding to the ACE2 receptor it would suggest it would also be beneficial for preventing clotting with the Pfizer and AZ vaccines. However as the study says there’s little data on such things, and you can see why that might be the case given the enormous pressure from governments lately.


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  5. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    I should add that Jo Nova has a number of articles on ivermectin, so it would be worth going to her site and put “ivermectin” in the search box.


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  6. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Rebecca Weiser at the Spectator has tacked the topic well,
    https://www.spectator.com.au/author/rebecca-weisser
    I’ll add this one too, which may not turn up easily in searches…
    https://francais.rt.com/france/88707-ivermectine-reduit-gravite-infection-covid-19-selon-institut-pasteur

    First post as test for inclusion of two links…


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  7. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Previous post with two links awaiting moderation.
    Ok one at a time then.., links to many studies
    https://c19ivermectin.com/


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  8. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Review study … I think this includes results from an Egyptian trial that was later withdrawn…
    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx


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  9. Mullumhillbilly says:

    A review … I think this includes results of an Egyptian trial that has been withdrawn
    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx


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  10. Mullumhillbilly says:

    A couple of past posts not appearing… hmmm
    Don’t want to repeat them in case they appear later.
    Number four now…Mechanisms of action
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5


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  11. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Kory et al review
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/#!po=0.420168

    The first post I made with two links is still in moderation…
    links can be found by searching for :-
    Rebecca Weiser Spectator author ( several articles)
    Pasteur Institute ivermectin


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  12. Mater says:

    Adam,
    As per the other thread, I was looking at an article which was looking at a completely different medical issue, when this caught my eye. This medical article was linked to in The Lancet. Not Ivermectin, but somewhat related to the issue.

    A 60-year-old woman from Marseille, France, with a healthy body-mass index (20 kg/m2) and no notable medical history (including no articular signs or symptoms) began to have cough with unusual asthenia, myalgia, abdominal pain, and headaches on April 27, 2020, when the COVID-19 case rate was very high in France. On May 1, 2020, she consulted the University Hospital for Infectious Diseases in Marseille. An RT-PCR for SARS- CoV-2 was positive, and a chest CT scan showed the presence of a nodular condensation with a frosted glass aspect, and essentially subpleural involvement, sup- porting a diagnosis of a mild SARS-CoV-2 infection. The patient was treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin for 5 days and effizinc (zinc gluconate) for 10 days. Her symptoms improved in within 5–6 days, and a repeat SARS-CoV-2 PCR test (done 11 days after the first symptoms) was negative.

    https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/lanrhe/PIIS2665-9913(20)30396-9.pdf
    Second page, third paragraph.


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  13. It's Remarkable says:

    Thanks Adam, both for the site and the interest in Ivermectin.

    I have been reading about treatments for Covid, like many I suspect for some time. Both HCQ and Ivermectin.

    I note you have several providing links to Dr Pierre Kory and the FLCCC site – there will be good links from there to plenty of material of value.

    I have noted the work of Prof. Thomas Borody, an Australian working in Melbourne. Some links are below, many are articles or opinion pieces, though will likely have some links worth a look, and there are some more technical, also with good links.

    https://www.covid-19forum.org/index.php?topic=456.0

    https://www.nasdaq.com/press-release/ivermectin-triple-therapy-protocol-for-covid-19-released-to-australian-gps-for

    https://travag.blog/2020/09/05/proven-effective-triple-therapy-ivermectin-zinc-and-doxycycline/

    https://wentworthreport.com/2021/01/30/australian-professor-thomas-borody-ivermectin-amazingly-successful-in-killing-coronavirus/

    https://gumshoenews.com/2020/08/18/australian-professor-thomas-borody-ivermectin-amazingly-successful-in-killing-coronavirus/

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.06.21259924v1


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  14. stackja says:

    politichix says:
    August 6, 2021 at 8:04 am

    Yes!

    Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance

    Lifesaving protocols for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19

    Defeating the Delta Variant.
    The Latest Results of Ivermectin’s Success in Treating Outbreaks of COVID-19


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  15. stackja says:

    politichix says:
    August 6, 2021 at 8:04 am
    Pierre Kory’s site – lots of info and references

    Yes

    Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance
    Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance


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  16. Katzenjammer says:

    There is indeed firm evidence supported by numerous published studies that triple therapies based on hydroxychloroquine or ivermectin can be effective treatments when used early and there should be no prescribing restrictions on doctors for use of these long-established and safe drugs.

    https://www.spectator.com.au/2021/07/lockdown-needs-a-smackdown/
    Third last paragraph

    Dr David Adler, former Australian Medical Association deputy medical secretary.


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  17. E.J. says:

    Very powerful ..gives the full message that Ivermectin is important
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PyQmRMAMH4


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  18. Rorschach says:

    Dr Campbell on Ivermectin meta-analysis from 17 June [American Journal of Therapeutics]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3j7am9kjMrk


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  19. Rorschach says:

    Dr Campbell on an Ivermectin prophylactic study from India “Prophylactic role of Ivermectin in SARS-COV-2 infection among healthcare workers” [All India Institute of Medical Sciences]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYv30g7TKVM


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  20. John Smith101 says:

    Ivermectin Triple Therapy Protocol for COVID-19 released to Australian GPs as treatment for Infected Elderly, Frontline Workers
    https://tinyurl.com/yh3zodh6


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  21. John Smith101 says:

    Ivermectin for Prevention and Treatment of COVID-19 Infection: A Systematic Review, Meta-analysis, and Trial Sequential Analysis to Inform Clinical Guidelines
    Conclusions: 
    Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
    Source: https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
    Also see: https://www.qld.gov.au/health/conditions/health-alerts/coronavirus-covid-19/current-status/public-health-directions/prescribing,-dispensing-or-supply-of-hydroxychloroquine-direction
    &
    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers/prescribing-dispensing-or-supply-of-hydroxychloroquine-direction


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  22. Rorschach says:

    Note that there have been papers withdrawn … however – most don’t challenge the findings, but on the basis of plagiarism.

    See for example:

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

    I just note – that a lot of these studies are by non english speaking scientists that have to write in english. and whilst skirting plagiarism if not directly acknowledged, coping of “boilerplate” and slight manipulation to get concepts across is the norm:

    The paper was “withdrawn from the Research Square platform without informing or asking me”, Elgazzar wrote in an e-mail to Nature. He defended the paper, and said of the plagiarism allegations that “often phrases or sentences are commonly used and referenced” when researchers read one another’s papers.


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  23. OldOzzie says:

    July 21, 2021

    FIND A DOCTOR WHO WILL PRESCRIBE IVERMECTIN, HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE AND EARLY OUTPATIENT TREATMENTS FOR COVID-19 (IN VARIOUS COUNTRIES)
    Treatment should start based on clinical suspicion as soon as possible, preferably within the first 3 days of symptoms. Perform PCR testing, but do not withhold treatment pending results.

    Note: IVM = Ivermectin

    See the directory of professionals in various countries below.
    Global Directory of Doctors (by Country) Prescribing Effective Outpatient COVID-19 Therapy

    AUSTRALIA (Australian doctors who will prescribe ivermectin)
    The Centre for Digestive Diseases (IVM) 2 9713 4011 GP@CDD.com.au referrals

    Dr. Mark Hobart (IVM) 3 9311 5977

    Dr. Peter Lewis (IVM) 3 9822 9996

    Dr. Shashikanth Manikappa (IVM) 3 8768 1200

    Professor Thomas Borody MB, BS, BSc(Med), MD, PhD, DSc, FRACP, FACP, FACG,
    AGAF, FRS(N) said:

    “The three medications are on chemist shelves right now. GPs can email
    GP@CDD.com.au to obtain the dosing protocol and COVID-19 treatment information
    for their patients.


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  24. Rorschach says:

    India is are really interesting example. In May/June there was a “massive” spike of the “Indian” (now Delta) COVID variant… All over the news with massive numbers infected and dying.

    A couple of Indian States started using ivermectin as prophylaxis – hence all the indian studies – and the severity of the infections reduced. The WHO issued a guidance that ivermectin should not be used and so it happened. The severity and death rate spiked up.

    At this point, ivermectin use was re-instated and the infection severity dropped and no one hears about india any more…

    The indian bar association has censured WHO and its scientists for “running a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin”

    https://healthpolicy-watch.news/indian-bar-association-rebukes-who-chief-scientist-over-whos-ivermectin-guidelines-for-covid-treatment/


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  25. Old bloke says:

    “Lab experiments show anti-parasitic drug, Ivermectin, eliminates SARS-CoV-2 in cells in 48 hours”

    https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/coronavirus-fight-possible-covid-19-drug-identified-by-scientists


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  26. Old bloke says:

    “The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro”

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011?via%3Dihub


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  27. Rorschach says:

    Old Bloke: Yes … great link. Shows that prophylactic treatments were considered and looked at very early. Literally millions have died since that study has been published!

    IF ivermectin etc is proved to be efficacious – there should be war crimes / genocide type trials on WHO/CDC, big pharma and all the Govt Types going along with this simply for political advantage. [I know – I know … in my dreams]


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  28. John A says:

    And here is one I visited from Cats-1 some time ago:

    https://prwire.com.au/print/gps-start-prescribing-low-dose-ivermectin-triple-therapy-for-covid-19

    In Sydney.

    Also related but about HCQ

    Walter & Eliza Hall Institute Covid-Shield study:
    https://wehi.edu.au/covid-shield-faqs


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  29. Steve of kenmore says:

    In Mar 2020, Qld government banned the use by doctors of Invermectin and HCQ.


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  30. Old bloke says:

    “Rorschach says:
    August 6, 2021 at 11:22 am

    Old Bloke: Yes … great link. Shows that prophylactic treatments were considered and looked at very early. Literally millions have died since that study has been published!”

    ——————————————————————————————

    In April last year, when the efficacy of Ivermectin was known, the scientist were talking about manufacturing a combination of Ivermectin, some other component (can’t recall what that was), and a low dosage antibiotic to clean up the damage wrought by Covid-19 in blister packs.

    Cheap as chips to mass manufacture, they could have been over the counter pharmaceuticals in your local chemist shop well over a year ago. We could have been shipping them all over the world and been good neighbours to the Indonesians and the Pacific Islanders.

    Think of that, April last year, how much unnecessary death and suffering has happened since then.

    How many have needlessly died from Covid-19?
    How many have died or been permanently injured with the “vaccines”?
    How many have died due to not receiving essential surgery?
    How many people have lost their businesses and livelihoods?
    How many broken marriages and suicides?
    How many shattered plans and financial troubles?


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  31. Rorschach says:

    Sensational resource Vicki!


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  32. Rorschach says:

    In Mar 2020, Qld government banned the use by doctors of Invermectin and HCQ.

    I fail to understand why? Ivermectin has been around for decades, been used for extended courses and has saved millions. From 1997:

    https://www.nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/ivermectin-1

    The worst side effects are mostly associated with the treated for parasite dying.


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  33. Rorschach says:

    How many have needlessly died from Covid-19?
    How many have died or been permanently injured with the “vaccines”?
    How many have died due to not receiving essential surgery?
    How many people have lost their businesses and livelihoods?
    How many broken marriages and suicides?
    How many shattered plans and financial troubles?

    Yes … but our shareholders’ got a bonus. AND we got rid of “orange man bad”.


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  34. mem says:

    Can I suggest that these references and all the articles be printed off and saved in hard copy and/or copied and saved separately, as links to the material, or the material itself, are being disappeared at an alarming rate.


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  35. C.L. says:

    Very interesting thoughts from Dr Elizabeth Lee Vliet – including re hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

    I say that as somebody who is no more an ivermectin-ist than I am a ‘vaccination’ zombie.


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  36. C.L. says:

    Related: does this sound like science to you?

    FDA Signals It Will Expedite Full-Approval Process for COVID Vaccines.

    With vaccination rates plateauing in certain regions of the country as a new COVID wave triggered by the highly infectious Delta variant spreads, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has signaled it will expedite the process to fully approve the COVID vaccine. A top agency official said Friday that the Pfizer-BioNTech shot will be under accelerated review to earn the designation.

    FDA spokesperson Abby Capobianco said the agency is working on “identifying additional resources such as personnel and technological resources from across the agency and opportunities to reprioritize other activities, in order to complete our review to help combat this pandemic surge.”

    The agency has deployed an “all hands on deck” strategy for this endeavor, Peter Marks, director of the Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, said in an interview. The Pfizer vaccine has so far been distributed under FDA emergency-use authorization it received in December. The company applied for full approval on May 7.

    “We recognize that for some, the FDA approval of Covid-19 vaccines may bring additional confidence and encourage them to get vaccinated,” Capobianco said in a statement. “FDA staff will conduct a thorough review process, while balancing the incredible sense of urgency necessary, both of which are needed to ensure that any vaccine that is authorized or approved meets our rigorous standards for safety, effectiveness, and quality.”

    A scientific conclusion followed by a review.


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  37. Rorschach says:

    Pfizer Inc and Moderna Inc has raised the prices of its COVID-19 vaccine in the latest European Union supply contracts,

    The new price for the Pfizer shot was €19.50 (US$23.15) against €15.50 previously…

    https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/pfizer-and-moderna-raise-prices-covid-19-vaccines-eu-report-2085331


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  38. redress says:

    The original article from August 2020:

    ” SYDNEY, Aug 20 – Triple therapy specialist Professor Thomas Borody, famous for curing peptic ulcers using a Triple Antibiotic Therapy saving millions of lives, has released the Triple Therapy Protocol for COVID-19 to Australian GPs, who can legally prescribe it to COVID-19 positive patients, or prescribe it as a preventative medication. Borody says this could be the fastest and safest way to end the pandemic in Australia within 6-8 weeks.”

    includes list of Ivermectin research papers.


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  39. Bushkid says:

    In a rush, haven’t time to scroll through all the responses, so someone may already have suggested this.

    Contact Craig Kelly MP.

    He posted a lot of different studies and results from individual doctors’ experiences on farce book before he got de-platformed, and no doubt still holds a comprehensive list.


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  40. John A says:

    Rorschach says: August 6, 2021 at 11:52 am

    In Mar 2020, Qld government banned the use by doctors of Invermectin and HCQ.

    I fail to understand why? Ivermectin has been around for decades, been used for extended courses and has saved millions. From 1997:

    https://www.nps.org.au/australian-prescriber/articles/ivermectin-1

    The worst side effects are mostly associated with the treated for parasite dying.

    Because HCQ and IVM were listed by TGA as poisons on the national Poisons Register (Sections 4 and 7) on 24th March 2020.

    WEHI had special permission for research but regular use outside past historical purposes (= “off-label”) was, and remains, a big no-no.


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  41. Rorschach says:

    The entire issue with vaccines rather than prophylactic treatment is that – as Jeff Goldblum famously said – “Life will find a way”.

    We now have something like a dozen variants. And like antibiotic resistant bacteria, it is not a stretch to assume that each of these is a mutation in response to the vaccine.

    The variant that bears watching is the Peru or Lambda variant. It is supposedly vaccine resistant. And (tin-foil hat on) why big pharma is selling its stock and charging more (in expectation that no one will want these soon). And why suddenly there is lot of research into treatments. [But not ivermectin etc of course]

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dD8vr5pLVs

    The above discusses this variant.


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  42. John Smith101 says:

    Adam, I think you will find this Thread Reader every interesting. It is a leaked (standardised?) contract/agreement between Pfizer and Albania. It is likely that Australia, among other nations, signed up to a similar agreement as well. Well worth reading all the way through.
    If what applies to Albania applies to Australia then it becomes apparent that Pfizer’s agreement overrules our national sovereignty and laws, and that it has been kept secret from us. It also helps explains why Ivermectin & HCQ have not been used as its use runs contrary to the agreement. Is that why HCQ was banned in Queensland?
    If this agreement was signed knowing that alternative therapies were to be banned under the agreement, and if the government is pushing these vaccines so as not to break the agreement, then I think we are looking at some very serious crimes by some of our political leaders. Currently, millions of Australians are being held to ransom in lockdowns in order to satisfy an agreement with an international drug corporation. Is this not sedition, or treason?
    PFIZER LEAK: EXPOSING THE PFIZER MANUFACTURING AND SUPPLY AGREEMENT.
    Source: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.html


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  43. Rorschach says:

    Because HCQ and IVM were listed by TGA as poisons on the national Poisons Register (Sections 4 and 7) on 24th March 2020.

    Arbitrarily make a ruling and prescribing something that has been safely on the market globally for decades loses your license at best and makes you a criminal at worst. [Depends on which judge you get and how you vote….]


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  44. John Smith101 says:

    Adam, I think you will find this Thread Reader every interesting. It is a leaked (standardised?) contract/agreement between Pfizer and Albania. It is likely that Australia, among other nations, signed up to a similar agreement as well. Well worth reading all the way through.
    If what applies to Albania applies to Australia then it becomes apparent that Pfizer’s agreement overrules our national sovereignty and laws, and that it has been kept secret from us. It also helps explains why Ivermectin & HCQ have not been used as its use runs contrary to the agreement. Is that why HCQ was banned in Queensland?

    PFIZER LEAK: EXPOSING THE PFIZER MANUFACTURING AND SUPPLY AGREEMENT.
    Source: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1419653002818990085.html


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  45. John Smith101 says:

    Sorry for the dual posting – a bit of a time lag before it appeared.


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  46. Rorschach says:

    If this agreement was signed [by Australia] knowing that alternative therapies were to be banned under the agreement, and if the government is pushing these vaccines so as not to break the agreement, then I think we are looking at some very serious crimes by some of our political leaders

    We know that Stairman Dan reneged on the road contract costing taxpayers $Bio+ when elected… and similar examples of waste, I don’t think agreement default costs to taxpayers are an issue for the Government. I suggest it is beyond just “serious”.


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  47. Rorschach says:

    And for the influencer dependent – here’s Russel!

    Covid & Censorship – Have You Been Lied To By The Media?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md1LHrSWUOc


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  48. Cold-Hands says:

    Just three weeks after adding Ivermectin, Delhi now leads India out of the deadly second surge of the COVID pandemic. Cases that had peaked at 28,395 on April 20 plummeted nearly 80% to just 6,430 on May 15. Deaths peaked May 4, and now they are also down 25%.

    On May 10, the Indian State of Goa adopted an even more ambitious policy of preemptive Ivermectin for all adults in the state. The Chief Minister of Goa is Dr. Pramod Sawant, a progressive 49-year-old physician persuaded by science. In particular, he read Dr. Pierre Kory’s and Dr. Andrew Hill’s robust meta-analyses. As a direct result, Goa has seen a drop in cases from 3,124 the day after the announcement to 1,314 five days later.

    Meanwhile, three other Indian states have followed Goa’s lead in adding Ivermectin: Uttarkhand, Karnataka, and Uttar Pradesh. And, as expected, they have seen a drop in new daily cases as well, with Uttar Pradesh down nearly 75% from a peak of 37,944 just four days after they began following the April 20 AIIMS guidance to just 10,505 on May 16.

    The tragic story in all this is that the Indian state of Tamil Nadu installed a new leader on May 7, 2021. He suddenly reversed their state’s decision to adopt Ivermectin. Readers of my book all know about Peruvian President Sagasti’s fateful decision to outlaw Ivermectin. Before taking power, the COVID deaths had dropped 14 fold to almost nothing with Ivermectin use. However after Sagasti was elected, Ivermectin was stopped, and deaths roared back at 13 fold.

    Peru paid the price in skyrocketing cases and 78,000 preventable deaths. Tamil Nadu’s Chief Minister, MK Stalin, also chose to forgo Ivermectin. Instead, he ordered tens of thousands of doses of Remdesivir, a drug that sells for 3,000 dollars per dose. So now Tamil Nadu’s cases are rocketing as well.

    Tamil Nadu’s Stalin rejects Ivermectin & sees COVID19 cases soar, unlike neighbouring states, where ivermectin has controlled the outbreak.


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  49. Rorschach says:

    Tamil Nadu installed a new leader on May 7, 2021. He suddenly reversed their state’s decision to adopt Ivermectin.

    Hmmm looks like the deposed leader was lucky. Note: the recent sudden deaths, assassination and deposements of multiple leaders is fact checked as being nothing to do with their opposition to vaccines… 🙂

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/18/fact-check-claims-leaders-deaths-vaccines-false/7931318002/


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  50. Cassie of Sydney says:

    C.L. says:
    August 6, 2021 at 12:14 pm”
    ——————————————-
    Nice to see you C.L.


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  51. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Full scale Randomised Control Trial of ivermectin for treatment COVID:

    https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-23-ivermectin-be-investigated-possible-treatment-covid-19-oxford-s-principle-trial

    Oxford University wouldn’t be doing that for a sheep dip..


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  52. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    I see Rosie has an update on that trial, at 8.37

    This is the most significant one and I hope it is being properly done. We shall see.


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  53. Chrism says:

    the c19ivermectin site is the best

    jo nova joannenova.com.au has had a number of links to IVM and also India

    at a meta meta level T.S.Kuhn’s structure of scientific revolutions is relevant : things are resisted by the orthodoxy as long as they can for belief, evidence, money, prestige and other reasons;
    the apostates leave the fold for similar reasons

    the re-purposed drug process has grown up because of the belief that with increasing analysis prior to release we can potentially avoid ‘black swan’ or thalidomide moments – the increasing delay & costs before FDA approval can run to many millions

    quercetin and antiandrogens and an ssri luvox all have in vitro anti-covid activity

    the general issue for seekers of truth is the difficulty verifying the contradicting claims on the internet unless you have special knowledge – the opposite of Dunning-Kruger (or Stebbing, 1939 – who got here earlier than D-K)

    Hanlon’s razor : never use malice to explain what was probably caused by stupidity

    probably AI is a good way to test claims – after the Nov ’20 election I rented GPT-3 for a few minutes and asked it whether the election was stolen & it replied ‘yes’ & gave some advice for the Trump team to prove their claims, which were all (I thought) correct & reasonable… nothing extraordinary, just that the 4 million or so internet articles it reviewed led it to that conclusion: problem is it has a ‘sense of humor’ and can also pull your leg: as a renter ..

    a separate but related issue is how to air such contradictory claims to achieve a rapid adoption of the (better, correct, superior …) desired option –

    the contra team, be it AHPRA or the Vic government or Gov Cuomo have a number of aims & have the superior position financially, legally and they would argue informationally, morally and practically, to which is added the real tin-foil hat wearers

    the apellation ‘denier’ is trotted out to delegitimise; or no air time is given; or ridicule

    Raf Epstein & Dr Karl had a session on ‘let’s shut down coal’ and I dialled up ABC radio & asked ‘if we cease ALL carbon based fuel burning, 100%, immediately, how much would that cost, how many would die, and how much temperature reduction would there be in the year 2100 & could you measure it with a thermometer’?

    and Dr Karl said ‘so you’re still beating your wife then’ as answer

    I kid you not

    I look forward to your review


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  54. Katzenjammer says:

    This is all history and theory, well worthwhile documenting, but the important question is this – Where can it be obtained, and how and when should it be used? If it requires a prescription, is there a contact list of doctors willing to sign it? Where are the instructions for dosages? Is it administered if infected, or beforehand as a defence against infection?

    Another potential question that many will ask soon – If our wonderful caring governments permit commercial enterprises to decide on certification of jabbedness to buy potatoes at my local shop or to indulge in other ordinary activities of my unessetial life, where can I get a faked certificate for my dumb smartphone.


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  55. Vicki says:

    Yes it requires a prescription & that is the problem.

    The vaccines have been made available as “emergency “ provisions without the normal period of clinical trials – particularly human RCT trials. Emergency approval for vaccines es is given when there are no effective treatments, as I understand.

    Therefore the TGA has suppressed and disencouraged Ivermectin advocacy. It would be a very rare GP who would prescribe it for either prophylactic purposes, or even as a treatment in early infection. Of course, we know that Greg Hunt wrote to a GP advocate Dr Mark Hobart to assure him that he has the right, nevertheless, to prescribe “off label” Ivermectin if that is his recommendation.

    Dr Hobart & Dr Peter Lewis can be contacted via the covid network ( I will look for contact details) but I doubt if they would prescribe remotely , in other than dire conditions – but I may be wrong.

    Otherwise online availability to obtain Ivermectin ( eg Stromectol) seems to be solely through prescription.

    It is an unbelievable situation in view of the many many trials proving the efficacy of this underrated medication. It just shows what group think, Big Pharma, bureaucratic dominance, & the fear of independent action has done to the medical profession.

    Ivermectin is a great product. Not surprising that there seems to be little Covid in Equatorial Africa – since they take Iver as a prophylactic for River Blindness & Elephantiasis.

    And my cows will tell you that it is a godsend in the winter months when grass mites make them so itchy that they will scratch on gates & wire fences till they bleed. Ivermectin pour on drench clears it up in a few days.


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  56. Zatara says:

    “Because HCQ and IVM were listed by TGA as poisons on the national Poisons Register (Sections 4 and 7) on 24th March 2020.”

    How very odd considering that the TGA specifically approved the use of Invermectin (Stromectal) in 2013.

    https://www.tga.gov.au/auspar/auspar-ivermectin

    Their timely and radical reversal of opinion on 24 March 2020 is entirely coincidental of course and had nothing whatsoever to do with politics.


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  57. Zatara says:

    “Because HCQ and IVM were listed by TGA as poisons on the national Poisons Register (Sections 4 and 7) on 24th March 2020.”

    Nah. Granted, this is the 26 May 2021 (current) version, but no reference was provided for the above so: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021L00650

    Schedule 4 lists ‘Prescription Only Medications’, not poisons. HCQ for and IVM are both listed there. In other words, they are medications.

    Schedule 7 lists ‘Dangerous Poisons’. Ivermectin is listed there, but with the note “except when included in Schedule 4 or 5.”, which it is.

    Thus, neither HCQ nor IMV are listed as poisons on the National Poisons Standard.


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  58. Cold-Hands says:

    Where are the instructions for dosages? Is it administered if infected, or beforehand as a defence against infection?

    Protocols are updated regularly based on new research.


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  59. John A says:

    Zatara says: August 6, 2021, at 8:00 pm

    “Because HCQ and IVM were listed by TGA as poisons on the national Poisons Register (Sections 4 and 7) on 24th March 2020.”

    Nah. Granted, this is the 26 May 2021 (current) version, but no reference was provided for the above so: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2021L00650

    Schedule 4 lists ‘Prescription Only Medications’, not poisons. HCQ for and IVM are both listed there. In other words, they are medications.

    Schedule 7 lists ‘Dangerous Poisons’. Ivermectin is listed there, but with the note “except when included in Schedule 4 or 5.”, which it is.

    Thus, neither HCQ nor IMV are listed as poisons on the National Poisons Standard.

    I note that the version you linked (current) was registered as at 26 May 2021. I certainly checked before that date but now there is no history of the instrument or of changes. I wonder why?

    What I read was that these two were limited to continued prescription consistent with previous treatments ie. “off-label” prescription was prohibited. So people could still be prescribed HCQ for malaria or rheumatoid arthritis but not for anything else.


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  60. Dot says:

    *quercetin*

    Eat apples, drink wine?


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  61. Cold-Hands says:

    Off label prescription of ivermectin is still permitted, grudgingly confirmed by Greg Hunt in writing.

    New prescriptions of hydroxychloroquine (ie not repeats for previously prescribed HCQ) have been limited to certain groups of specialists (such as rheumatologists & dermatologists) by the TGA, & certain State Governments have criminalised its prescription. All scripts for HCQ must now have PBS authority (ie Canberra bureaucrats must approve the script).


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  62. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    This one isn’t about ivermectin, but I sure would be interested in the comparable data for it. H/t to the Express in the UK who have a story about this article, which I was then able to track down. It’s about Australian experiences. RTWT.

    Study suggests rates of thrombocytopenia and VTE increase after Pfizer (6 Aug)

    The analysis, which has not been peer-reviewed, tracked the prevalence of VTE, arterial thromboembolism (ATE), thrombocytopenia, and TTS, then compared rates among people vaccinated with the Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines to the wider population – both before the pandemic and among those who had COVID-19.

    There were 1,372,213 people who received their first vaccine dose (69% Pfizer, 31% AstraZeneca) considered in the study. Of those, 778,534 were also observed following a second Pfizer dose.

    Findings were compared to 222,710 people with a COVID-19 diagnosis and 4,570,149 individuals in the wider population cohort.

    The rate of VTE increased eight-fold after diagnosis of COVID-19, the study suggests. It reported no safety signals for ATE or TTS among those taking either vaccine, but said further research is needed ‘to investigate the causality in the observed associations’.

    So a good big statistical study. VTE is venous thromboembolism. The data shows that various clotting issues do occur but are seemingly rare even for Covid infection itself. Which is the good news.

    What we really do need is the same data for ivermectin and similar antiviral treatment methods (there’re a couple new candidates in the science news today – a repurposing of a tapeworm drug, and likewise of an anticholesterol drug).

    The different mechanism of action for ivermectin, which appears to be to interfere with the spike-ACE2 receptor link up, suggests it would not cause the type of clotting-related side effects that the mRNA vaccines appear to do.


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  63. Vicki says:

    mem @ 10.18pm

    Sadly, I can’t see Big Pharma releasing their opposition to Ivermectin.

    We may have to accept their new anti-viral versions in the new year in the face of continued prohibition of supply of Iver.


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  64. Kneel says:

    “Ivermectin is used in animals as a an anti-parasitic” – yes, indeed it is, especially on multi-million dollar thoroughbred race horses. Clearly dangerous – I mean, who cares if a few nags go to the glue factory early, right?

    Warfarin is used as rat poison, so I guess we better not use that any more either, huh? Can’t be too careful, right?

    So let me see – a vaxxine that has by-passed the late stage animal and human trials which every single corona virus vaxxine candidate for the last 70 years has failed, which created more VAERS reports in one year than 10 years worth of ALL other vaxxines, and on which we have no long term “side affects” data (including no data if there are second or third generation affects) is going to be our saviour and MUST be taken to get us back to normal, despite increasing evidence that it only lasts for 6 months and is not as effective against variants.
    Yet a drug that has been taken by over 3 billion people over 30+ years, with a well characterised risk profile and dosage, is safer when taken as prescribed than aspirin, is listed by WHO as an essential medicine, is cheap and readily available, and which increasing numbers of small scale RCTs show is at least as effective as the vaxxines at prophylaxis, reducing risk of the need to be hospitalised, and reducing the risk of death if hospitalised, and appears to be just as effective against all variants, is deliberately suppressed as a treatment.

    And when anyone points this out, they are dismissed as part of the tin-foil hat brigade and censored from social and main-stream media – even qualified MDs and PhD medical professionals with enviable publication and citation records. The same MSM and social media genii who banned Hunter Biden laptop stories and promoted “Russia, Russia, Russia!” for 4 years.

    Nothing to see here – move along. Look over there – squirrels and funny cat videos! No, look here – successful young athletes with lots of money getting drunk and being dorks! No no, look here – celebrities with drug problems!


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  65. Vicki says:

    “So let me see – a vaxxine that has by-passed the late stage animal and human trials which every single corona virus vaxxine candidate for the last 70 years has failed, which created more VAERS reports in one year than 10 years worth of ALL other vaxxines, and on which we have no long term “side affects” data (including no data if there are second or third generation affects) is going to be our saviour and MUST be taken to get us back to normal, despite increasing evidence that it only lasts for 6 months and is not as effective against variants…….And when anyone points this out, they are dismissed as part of the tin-foil hat brigade and censored from social and main-stream media – even qualified MDs and PhD medical professionals with enviable publication and citation records.”

    Oh, so well put, Kneel!!!

    It’s staggering, isn’t it? Gosh – I’ve pointed this out to many friends – intelligent people, including medical professionals. They are either silent, or get very, very angry.

    All I can say is….yes, last year when the Wuhan saga erupted I was also keen for a saving vaccine …..but hell… once the details emerged about the lack of sufficient trials AND the increasing adverse events…why would you go ahead with vaccination?

    The answer? These days people are too concerned with the fripperies and diversions of 21st century life to take the time to take in anything beyond the 6pm news or the latest novel.

    And that is the tragedy.


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  66. Katzenjammer says:

    The answer? These days people are too concerned with the fripperies and diversions of 21st century life to take the time to take in anything beyond the 6pm news or the latest novel.

    I’ve wondered if it’s the excitement of being alive now in this historic moment when the whole world is experiencing the same virus. A hundred from now and again in three hundred years time people will read about us just as we read about the plagues that altered the demographic face of Europe in earlier centuries. Masks, vaccinations and the yet to come passports are markers and souvenirs of this historic moment that should be cherished. Is that the answer? Is that what has suckered so many into lapping up the koolaid.


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  67. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Not Forsythia … ( cf. ‘Contagion’ movie)
    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210111/Extract-of-medicinal-plant-Artemisia-annua-interferes-with-replication-of-SARS-CoV-2-in-vitro.aspx

    Interesting that the mode of action appears to have nothing to do with either the spike protein or preventing entry into cells.


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  68. Mullumhillbilly says:

    Not a prophylactic, but nevertheless a way to end lockdowns and mandatory va666ines.
    Thank you Alpacas !

    https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-highly-potent-stable-nanobodies-sars-cov-.html


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  69. Cold-Hands says:

    Well my post from last night failed to appear so I’ll break it up into its two components.

    Greg Hunt (grudgingly) confirmed in writing that Ivermectin can be prescribed off-label.


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  70. Cold-Hands says:

    re Hydroxychloroquine. The TGA has limited its new prescription to certain groups of specialists (ie rheumatologists, dermatologists, oral surgeons), preventing GPs initiating treatment. GP’s can renew a script if it’s previously been prescribed for Rh Arthritis etc. However all scripts can only be issued with PBS authority
    , meaning the prescribing doctor has to phone Canberra & get approval before the script becomes legal. Approval is only granted if the indication is on an approved list; treatment/prophylaxis of Covid19 is not one of them.


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  71. kaysee says:

    Not sure if any of these links have already been shared here.

    COVID-19 cure already discovered? Ivermectin ‘can end this pandemic’


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  72. Dot says:

    Thanks kaysee.

    Last link was fantastic.


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  73. John A says:

    And here’s a link to research on another repurposing initiative:
    http://click1.e.westernjournalism.com/kplsdbwrkvbjdbszjrtlbjblbtjtfqmwfwvptsqlshpmsdr_inmmdbhbddwydhzvdvbgg.html
    An anti-cholesterol medication with long history, well-documented risk profile and moderate cost


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