Catallaxy crowdsource – Ivermectin

The most recent google result for ivermectin was from a site called “the scientist” with a post titled – Ivermectin (still) lacks scientific support as a covid-19 drug.

I won’t do the honour of linking to it but to see such disinformation in such trying times is disheartening.

Nonetheless we must persevere and I am currently piecing together a history of Ivermectin in relation to covid-19. The goal is to have something persuasive enough to improve the discussion around the topic. Perhaps if we can get it shared far and wide we might make a difference. At a minimum I will have something to share in my frequent Facebook battles against the army of Karen’s.

It is turning into quite a challenge and with Google doing it’s best to bury results I thought this might be an opportunity for us Cats to go against our nature and work collaboratively.

I am asking for you to leave in the comments any links and dates that would be relevant to the task ahead. In particular I am looking for:

  • studies undertaken
  • comments from prominent people
  • any expert testimonial in front of governing bodies
  • creation of doctor/expert political groups on the topic
  • real world examples of the use of ivermectin and the results (which is surprisingly difficult)
  • anything else you may feel is relevant
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137 Responses to Catallaxy crowdsource – Ivermectin

  1. Mak Siccar says:

    Test, again!

  2. Kneel says:

    “All I can say is….yes, last year when the Wuhan saga erupted I was also keen for a saving vaccine…”

    You are not alone. However, since the creation of the vaxxine was already well in hand thanks to Trump, I would have thought the most obvious thing to do was to start asking “What is our fallback? What do we do if this doesn’t work, or, as the experts are saying, it will take too long?” and start looking for treatments that reduce death and hospitalisation.

    They already said “We have to live with it” and that was why we needed 14 days to “slow the spread”. Meanwhile, over 20 times as long as the initial “orders” and we are still being held prisoner in our own homes due to fear and no therapeutics are available. That is either inexcusable incompetence or criminal negligence.

    This complete lack of contingency planning, the complete lack of even an attempt to find others ways, the pushing of fear, the pushing of central control, the abdication of responsibility – are we so pathetic, so afraid of our own shadows, as the politicians and “experts” seem to think we are? History suggest not – it suggests that Australians will do what needs to be done, that we will accept the sacrifice of some for the greater good. But only if you convince us it is needed, only if you let us all make the choice ourselves – that if you push us, demand it of us, we will object. And despite this obvious historical and social mindset, they are surprised that we question authority, that we flip them the double barreled middle finger when they destroy lives by force instead of persuading us that we need to “take one for the team”, that regrettably people will die – but just like wars, this is the price we must pay for the freedom we cherish and which has provided us with the material wealth and well-being we enjoy.

    Freedom isn’t free, as they say, yet it is also said that it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. This is the issue of our times – not climate change, not COVID, but our very freedom.

    Will we go quietly into the long dark night, or will we stand up and say:

    “No! You will not steal that which my ancestors paid so dear in blood and treasure to give me. It is a gift beyond measure, worthy of fighting for, and as they did, so shall I.
    Begone tyrants, you are not welcome here! Leave now, or face our righteous wrath and ire. You cannot win, will not win and as long as I have breath I will fight you, even unto martyrdom.”

  3. Mak Siccar says:

    Something weird is going on. When I try to post a hyperlink, the screen of death shows a message that says Safari cannot parse the response.

  4. mem says:

    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/aug/5/biden-teams-misguided-and-deadly-covid-19-vaccine-/?utm_campaign=shareaholic
    Interestingly as the problems with mass vaccination become more apparent the need for alternate treatments gains more attention with Ivermectin high on the list as one such alternative.

  5. Vick says:

    Greg Hunt just announced imminent availability of monoclonal antibody treatment designed for the onset of Covid 19. Fantastic, although they are not without side effects, as I understand.

    But the CMO also referred ever so briefly to the anti-viral “pill” which is currently being developed & hopefully available soon. THAT is the game-changer.

    Fantastic to see Greg Hunt have the guts to announce these, given the mania for vaccination by his colleagues. A good man.

  6. Old School Conservative says:

    Thanks Adam for getting this information into one place for us mug punters too.
    I’ve started using BoN’s information in discussions on other sites (anti-Ivermectin blogs) and it’s been very helpful.
    I’ll be able to use the remaining links and info as the arguments progress.

  7. John Paul Murphy says:

    Vaccines and anti-viral drugs have two completely different purposes. The first is to stop you becoming ill in the first place and to reduce your chances of infecting someone else. The second are to treat you is you do become ill.

    They’ve resisted the drugs for 18 months. Now they are making approving noises. I think the pressure is getting to them at last, the idiots.

  8. Chris M says:

    Vick: “Greg Hunt just announced imminent availability of monoclonal antibody treatment designed for the onset of Covid 19.”

    Red Cross has ruled if you have had Covied then subsequently are vaccinated you cannot contribute plasma for convalescent antibody therapy for Covid sufferers – the vaccine eliminates your natural neutralising antibodies so the plasma is of no use.

    “But the CMO also referred ever so briefly to the anti-viral “pill” which is currently being developed & hopefully available soon. THAT is the game-changer.”

    Re-branded Ivermectin, minor tweak for patent reasons and with a new price tag.

  9. kaysee says:

    Old School Conservative says:
    August 8, 2021 at 11:43 am

    Thanks Adam for getting this information into one place for us mug punters too.
    I’ve started using BoN’s information in discussions on other sites (anti-Ivermectin blogs) and it’s been very helpful.
    I’ll be able to use the remaining links and info as the arguments progress.

    This is a great idea of having a thread with a specific topic. All comments contribute to creating a database of information on that topic. It provides a quick and ready reference source for discussion and debate. This is far more useful than some general Covid posts with random comments.

    Adam, could we have similar threads on other Covid-related topics. Each thread would be for information on that specific topic only. A Cat Wiki section.
    For example:

    – Hydroxychloroquine Protocol

    – Vaccines: Reported After-effects

    – Legal Cases related to Covid

    – Vaccine Passports

    – Global Protests

    – (other topics on this subject)

  10. Damon says:

    As an immunologist, what is happening is preserving a susceptible population (Australia). It can’t, and won’t work.

  11. Boambee John says:

    Chris M

    “But the CMO also referred ever so briefly to the anti-viral “pill” which is currently being developed & hopefully available soon. THAT is the game-changer.”

    Re-branded Ivermectin, minor tweak for patent reasons and with a new price tag.

    My thought also. Add a couple of (secret) vitamin supplements, maybe D3 and C, claim that the proportions are a trade secret, patent it and presto, lots more lurrrvely OP Munney.

  12. Ches says:

    Here’s all the literature I’ve saved on Ivermectin:
    https://rebrand.ly/dl-ivm

  13. Rorschach says:

    Not specifically Ivermectin related … but it foreshadows a hint into the future where treatments will be necessary if any semblance of normal life is to resume.

    Gibraltar has a population of about 35K and is almost isolated from mainland Spain [an airport and a road under it to manage].

    Gibraltar boasts that it has 100% vaccination rate.

    Gibraltar has administered at least 78,459 doses of COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that’s enough to have vaccinated about 116.4% of the country’s population.

    https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/gibraltar/

    It however has had a recent COVID outbreak that has resulted in almost a thousand cases in the last month and a half… See

    https: // vvv.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/gibraltar/

    If this was compared to the recent outbreak in Sydney – essentially the same period, [5M v 35K pop], then there would have been over 100K infections and over 100 deaths in Sydney. In a fully vaccinated population!

    The highest number of recent Covid-19 cases in Gibraltar has been in the 20s age group… And there is a partial lockdown in place where large public events are banned and bars, restaurants and nightclubs have been told to “be cautious” in the events they organised.

    https: // vvv.chronicle.gi/rise-in-cases-requires-careful-management-as-gib-edges-back-to-normality-bhatti-says/

    With the likely emergence of new COVID strains that are fully vaccine resistant, the current Australian approach (lockdowns and mass vaccination drives) HAS to be very questionable.

  14. Rorschach says:

    Re-branded Ivermectin, minor tweak for patent reasons and with a new price tag.

    My thought also. Add a couple of (secret) vitamin supplements, maybe D3 and C, claim that the proportions are a trade secret, patent it and presto…

    One of the concerning things coming out is the leaked (esp. Pfizer) legal contracts. Essentially these (if they are real) contain: massive indemnities, forced commitments to buy, and legal remedies if alternatives were used (i.e. treatment). There are also long term secrecy clauses ranging into decades.

    https://freewestmedia.com/2021/08/08/bomshell-leak-countries-that-buy-pfizers-vaccine-undertake-to-break-the-law/

    These contractual arrangements may be THE reason why studies of Ivermectin / Hydroxycloroquine and the like are supressed, and treatment using these is banned.

    Two things: With the indemnities, where there is no accountability and responsibility, and lots of money in play … fraud is rampant. With the secrecy, this multiplies. I think that there should be a lot of Freedom of Information type activity. Legal action may still be possible against the Big Pharma if they can be shown to have acted illegally, fraudulently and unethically.

  15. John Smithj101 says:
  16. Adam D Adam D says:

    Give me a week to go through it all. Please don’t be afraid to remind me if you don’t see it next week. Nothing motivates like constant questions

  17. John Smith101 says:

    Interesting article: Information security expert on revealed Pfizer agreements: ‘There’s good reason Pfizer fought to hide the details of these contracts.”
    Source: https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/information-security-expert-on-revealed-pfizer-agreements-theres-good-reason-pfizer-fought-to-hide-the-details-of-these-contracts/

    From the article: page 11 Agreement to supply, 2.1b: (Note (ii) below)
    Purchaser acknowledges and agrees that (i) Pfizer’s efforts to develop and
    manufacture the Product are aspirational in nature and subject to significant risks
    and uncertainties, and (ii) the fact that any other drug or vaccine to prevent, treat or
    cure COVID-19 infection is successfully developed or granted authorization earlier
    than the granting of Authorization for the Product shall not change the current
    situation of urgent needs for prevention of the spread of the COVID-19 infection
    that poses serious threats to and harmful effects on the lives and health of the
    general public.

    From the paragraph at point (ii): “any other drug or vaccine . . ” This would include Ivermectin and HCQ. Under current TGA laws an experimental drug or vaccine cannot be used if pre-existing drugs or vaccines are available (or words to that effect).

    Is this why Ivermectin has not been used & HCQ was banned in Queensland? This poses questions as to how a transnational corporation gets to override our own system of laws and sovereignty through contractual agreement. And who was it in Australia that agreed to that agreement on our behalf.

  18. John A says:

    Rorschach says: August 9, 2021 at 11:04 am

    Legal action may still be possible against the Big Pharma if they can be shown to have acted illegally, fraudulently and unethically.

    and in Australia, there is also action for “unconscionable conduct” which is a powerful antidote to contractual terms otherwise seen to be legal.

  19. Janet Smith says:

    Here is a site, developed by US doctors which gives you the full information on the use of ivermectin in Covid19. Also includes articles about the suppression of information about the use of ivermectin. These are front line critical care physicians.
    https://covid19criticalcare.com/

  20. Vicki says:

    It has to be reported:

    Dr. Pierre Kory, of Critical Care Front Line Doctors has reported on his twitter account that their treatment protocol with Ivermectin & supporting meds is having great difficulty containing the Delta strain. It is really frightening them.

    They reaffirm that administering the treatment protocol very early is vital. Since we are unable to obtain oral Ivermectin, one should have daily supplements of VitD3, Zinc, bioflavonoids & VitC. Melatonin is another adjunct suggested by others.

  21. Karabar says:

    FRom the inventor of mRNA:
    IVERMECTIN WORKS

    Have completed a 3 day course of Ivermectin now. Woke up today without coughing for the first time in months. Had good exercise tolerance when walking all over Carmel and Point Lobos yesterday. Based on that experience, I have to conclude good initial clinical response. https://t.co/3PLunod4WP

    — Robert W Malone, MD (@RWMaloneMD) August 9, 2021

  22. Rorschach says:

    Here is a VERY comprehensive summary of the research and scientific (journal) discussions wrt to COVID treatment … literally hudreds of links to journal papers covering the period to end june 2021.

    This review presents a continuation of a previous timeline that described ivermectin-related events in the COVID-19 pandemic from April 2020 to the end of March 2021.

    https://www.researchgate.net/deref/https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.13140%2FRG.2.2.12768.20488
    https://www.researchgate.net/deref/https%3A%2F%2Fdoi.org%2F10.13140%2FRG.2.2.13705.36966

    The new timeline covers a period from the beginning of April 2021 to the end of June 2021

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352853743_A_Continuation_of_a_Timeline_of_Ivermectin-Related_Events_in_the_COVID-19_Pandemic_June_30_2021

  23. mem says:

    This article provides a very good summary of how the virus spreads, how natural immunity is developed and the effectiveness of various interventions. Our health policy boffins in Australia who are driving the lockdowns, facemasks and Covid jabs need to read this as their current advice is contrary to managing the pandemic. https://dailysceptic.org/2021/08/10/assembling-covid-jigsaw-pieces-into-a-complete-pandemic-picture/

  24. Kneel says:

    “Dr. Pierre Kory, of Critical Care Front Line Doctors has reported on his twitter account that their treatment protocol with Ivermectin & supporting meds is having great difficulty containing the Delta strain. It is really frightening them. “

    Containment does not concern me – hospitalisations, serious injury and death do. If these are still being effectively suppressed with IVM, then I am happy with that. The sooner we reach natural herd immunity, the better.

  25. Cold-Hands says:

    COVID-19 doctors not allowed to use treatments that work – Dr McCullough Video May 2021

    Dr. Peter McCullough has been the world’s most prominent and vocal advocate for early outpatient treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection in order to prevent hospitalization and death. On May 19, 2021, journalist John Leake interviewed him about his efforts as a treating physician and researcher. From his unique vantage point, he has observed and documented a PROFOUNDLY DISTURBING POLICY RESPONSE to the pandemic — a policy response that may prove to be the greatest malpractice and malfeasance in the history of medicine and public health.

    Dr. McCullough is an internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and Professor of Medicine at Texas A & M College of Medicine, Dallas, TX USA. Since the outset of the pandemic, Dr. McCullough has been a leader in the medical response to the COVID-19 disaster and has published “Pathophysiological Basis and Rationale for Early Outpatient Treatment of SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) Infection” the first synthesis of sequenced multidrug treatment of ambulatory patients infected with SARS-CoV-2 in the American Journal of Medicine and subsequently updated in Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine. He has 40 peer-reviewed publications on the infection and has commented extensively on the medical response to the COVID-19 crisis in TheHill and on FOX NEWS Channel. On November 19, 2020, Dr. McCullough testified in the US Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs and throughout 2021 in the Texas Senate Committee on Health and Human Services, Colorado General Assembly, and New Hampshire Senate concerning many aspects of the pandemic response.

    Peter A. McCullough, MD, MPH, FACP, FACC, FAHA, FCRSA, FCCP, FNKF, FNLA
    Professor of Medicine, Texas A & M College of Medicine
    Board Certified Internist and Cardiologist
    President Cardiorenal Society of America
    Editor-in-Chief, Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine
    Editor-in-Chief, Cardiorenal Medicine
    Senior Associate Editor, American Journal of Cardiology

    It’s 106 minutes, which is why I’ve also linked the transcript.

    COVID-19 doctors not allowed to use treatments that work – Dr McCullough transcript May 2021

  26. Cold-Hands says:

    Not sure why I haven’t heard of this before. Sorry for the late notice.

    Petition to the Government to assess other treatments vs coronavirus.

    We therefore ask the House to formally request that the TGA assess the use of Ivermectine and Hydroxycloroquine, in the recommended dosages and combination with complimentary drugs, based on the peer reviewed studies and data, and the recommendation of notable Australian medical researchers such as Professor Thomas Borody and Professor Robert Clancy.

    Need a few more signatures for TGA to assess Ivermectin. Deadline tonight.

    https://www.aph.gov.au/e-petitions/petition/EN2855

  27. Kevin Daly says:

    I have just received some invermectin tablets and am going to start taking them on Monday.

    https://covidmedicalnetwork.com/coronavirus-facts/covid-early-treatments/FLCCC-I-MASS-Protocol.pdf

  28. JC says:

    Why Kevin?

  29. Cold-Hands says:

    A pre-print suggests double-pfizer immunization produces antibodies good only for about six months (five after the second shot).

    “Non-immunization for a third time leaves senior citizens in mortal danger. Get vaccinated now.”

    Mortal danger?

    Get vaccinated now?

    These older Israelis are already vaccinated. Yet as Israel’s Covid wards, fill their prime minister is now more or less admitting that they are unprotected against the virus.

    A major preprint out of Japan from July 30 explains why.

    The researchers examined Pfizer vaccine-generated antibodies in more than 200 people and found that on average they fell to undetectable levels about 6.5 months after the first shot – or roughly five after they reach full vaccination.

    […] In other words, the Israel failure is happening right on schedule. Vaccine protection lasts months, not years. (Four months, give or take, since protection is limited the first month and likely negative the first week or two.)

    Thus Bennett’s desperate call for a third shot. But although the booster does seem to produce new antibodies, neither the Israeli government nor Pfizer nor anyone else can know whether it will reduce infections or deaths, either temporarily or permanently. NO ONE HAS CONDUCTED ANY CLINICAL TRIALS TO DETECT THESE ENDPOINTS OR TO EXAMINE THIRD SHOT SIDE-EFFECTS IN ANY DETAIL.

  30. michael baker says:

    Hi all,
    https://ivmmeta.com/ is a central site for all things ivermectin and covid

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/ another site that has trial info

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2021/08/14/indias-ivermectin-blackout/ this is a news item on ivermectin use in India. This is how they beat there spike everyone got ivermectin.

  31. michael baker says:

    More,
    https://trialsitenews.com/finnish-biotech-secures-u-s-patent-for-ivermectin-based-nasal-spray-to-take-on-covid-19-in-low-to-middle-income-countries-lmics/

    you will love this one spray based on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. Nasal sprays seem to be the new thing as it hits the virus were it lives before it can get into your lungs

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