Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

Hi Cats,

As you can see I have created a copy of the Cat for you to continue to bicker, argue and occasionally make a reasonable point.

I do hope a solution is found with the original Cat but just in case Sinc doesn’t want to transfer the site to a new generation I have built a replica before the closure so we can migrate as many of the community across as possible.

Programming Note: I rushed out the site so there will be bugs. I can get them fixed but did not want perfection to get in the way for progress.

Community Note: Please let as many cats know of the new blog as soon as possible so we can capture the magic of the original. In particular would love for the original posters to continue their great work here.

Ideological Note: I am an infrequent poster but long time reader of the Cat. The discussions there have been a huge part of my own ideological growth on many issues. In particular free speech is key for me so will have a very similar light touch to the original Cat, potentially adopting my one policy on an earlier forum I built: “No D***heads” which is subjective but surprisingly easy to implement.

Website Note: I will run the Cat as close to possible as the original because I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel. However if the community so wants I am happy to make changes to improve the experience so if you have any ideas let me know. For anything specific hit me up at the contact form, else go nuts in the comments.

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3,112 Responses to Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

  1. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    wot mh said on the’lympics, JC.

    Having said that, yes, of course, Australia is doing well and it’s good to see exponents of some of the least supported sports having success. But with all the money that the country spends on elite sport, there should be some ROI, otherwise what’s the point? On of the chief concerns about spending public money on anything is that the wokest crap ends up being taken up into the management of the thing, including in this case, sport.

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  2. 132andBush says:

    Hmmm had the slash on the wrong side of the “b”.

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  3. Muddy says:

    (Leaving The Aviary For Sleep).

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  4. Rebel with cause says:

    Finally found the new digs. Good to see they didn’t change much. Big thanks to all involved.

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  5. EvilElvis says:

    David Elliot, you absolute grub and coward.
    Hang your head in shame.

    Barren women and fucking zero morale Muppets like this clown are making decisions around family welfare. What a country.

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  6. Sancho Panzer says:

    Who is this one?

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  7. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    I like the OT because I’m mostly always far too late to the discussion on all the other threads.

    But because the OT goes on, it’s interesting and a bit like an adventure. It reminds me of that song in LOTR –

    The Road goes ever on and on
    Down from the door where it began.
    Now far ahead the Road has gone,
    And I must follow, if I can,
    Pursuing it with eager feet,
    Until it joins some larger way,
    Where many paths and errands meet

    And so having gone on, it’s easy to pick up something, somewhere or other, or start something else…

    Having said that I can’t stay now – I’m off to bed – been a very hectic day and I’m a bit worn out.

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  8. Muddy says:

    Forgot to post this before retiring:

    Random military history.
    WWII Japanese Army Ranks (minus the relevant superscript squiggles sorry).

    Second-Class Private = Nitohei.
    First-Class Private = Ittohei.
    Superior Private = Jotohei.
    Lance Corporal = Heicho.
    Corporal = Gocho.
    Sergeant = Gunsho.
    Sergeant Major = Socho.
    Special Sergeant Major (Regimental Sergeant Major) = Tokumu socho.
    Warrant Officer (Administrative duties) = Junshikan.
    Second Lieutenant (Platoon Commander) = Sho-i.
    First Lieutenant (Platoon Commander) = Chu-i.
    Captain (Company commander) = Tai-i.
    Major (Battalion commander) = Shosa.
    Lieutenant Colonel (Second in command of regiment) = Chusa.
    Colonel (Regimental Commander) = Taisa.
    Major General (Brigade commander) = Shosho.
    Lieutenant General (Division Commander) = Chujo.

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  9. mh says:

    I like how Biden appeared to be totally switched on and sincere when asked if Cuomo should resign.

    Cuomo must have thought where the hell has the demented grandpa gone.

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  10. K2 says:

    Ladies, and some bike seat sniffers like Dr. Beaugan and Dr.Faustas over at Monty’s.*

    Not missing much.

    *#note to self# re anyone calling themselves Dr.

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  11. Pedro the Loafer says:

    Kalgoorlie’s Diggers and Dealers winding up tonight. A bit of a fizzer without the big guns from OS and interstate, but the skimpies are pretty happy with the local partygoers it would seem. Perth’s new girly car dealers should be rubbing their hands with glee.

    Old mate full of singing syrup rang me and advised that there is some very serious money being thrown about for Lithium greenfield operations and exploration.

    Treat with caution. Grandiose claims are often made after the third bottle of plonk.

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  12. K2 says:

    Biden is just a mouth piece/delivery bot for the deep state. Cuomo’s usefulness has passed.

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  13. cohenite says:

    Malcolm Roberts on the family home; he does a lot of work but it’s going to be tough for him at the next election:


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  14. cohenite says:

    Pedro the Loafer says:
    August 4, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    What did they say about some of the gold juniors like PNR, AAR, CUL etc

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  15. rickw says:

    That poor old lady.
    I think he’s trying to convey how much of a Covid “hero” he is.

    Covid virtue signalling is usually pretty sick, but this pretty much takes the cake.

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  16. DM OF WA says:

    Pedro the Loafer says:
    August 4, 2021 at 10:30 pm

    Kalgoorlie’s Diggers and Dealers winding up tonight …

    How long before even those reprobates get woke?

    These days I see so many disturbing stories in the West Australian business pages featuring WA mining executives spouting politically correct sentiments. Depressing.

    Sir Charles Court is rolling in his grave.

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  17. Pete of Perth says:

    Loafing about in Kununurra. The place is chockers. Enjoyed a flight down to the bungle bungles. Pilot was a switched on 19 year old. Lots of young people working the tours etc and loving it. Plenty of expensive camping rigs …not an ev in sight. Makes it harder to go back to work in 10 days time.

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  18. Mark from Melbourne says:


    Interested in your thoughts on this… I think he does a decent job.


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  19. Figures says:

    “There was no general vaccine against influenza in 1919-21, only some rare experimental ones. Those were early days in viral recognition.”

    This is a perfect example of the brainwashing.

    Nobody said or implied that Spanish Flu was caused by flu vaccines specifically but Lizzie felt the need to argue against that anyway. She couldn’t help herself. Vaccines need to be defended no matter what and no matter how.

    Anybody can read about the experimental vaccine programs they used at the time – especially on soldiers – and given soldiers were hit the hardest (along with other young adults) and given the often reported symptoms (cytokine storms) are consistent with vaccine injury the idea that they were the main (only?) cause of the so-called Spanish Flu makes sense.

    Well it makes sense if you’re not brainwashed.

    By the way Bird you have so much to give. Please don’t ruin it by obsessing over Joos.

    Like I said, you give people too much credit. If 99.99 per cent of the population is under mass hypnosis then the odds of the 0.01 per cent having anything in common (other than not falling for it themselves) is zero.

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  20. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    I’m reading Ricardo Bosi’s book “Greatness Awaits You.”

    The invention of the “Post-It Note” came about because a scientist at 3M laboratories was trying to develop a super-strong glue and failed. He did invent a weak adhesive that stuck to surfaces, without bonding them tightly. Another 3M scientist saw potential in applying that adhesive to pieces od paper that could be used as bookmarks. He was fed up with losing bookmarks from his Bible at church every Sunday…. (Page 143 – 144, “Greatness Awaits You” Ricardo Bosi.)

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  21. Rorschach says:


    Looks like the Starship Booster (4) that was rolled out to the launch tower this morning in Boca Chica is about to be lifted on to the Launch Platform!!!!

    History moves fast these days!

    I’m watching here:


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  22. Sancho Panzer says:

    The Spanish flu was not from Spain.

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  23. Figures says:

    I always thought Post-It notes were invented by Romy and Michelle.

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  24. K2 says:


    I am not anti-Bird or yourself. I have an ear for all talk.

    When I was at Kapooka in the winter of 1988 there was an Influenza epidemic and the whole place got shut down for three weeks. That was three weeks training lost, and put on hold. They called it quarantine.

    I got the ‘flu and was fucking smashed by it. There are two days I can not recollect. Delirious and sick in bed etc. I would guesstimate 85% of recruits got it over that period, to varying severity.

    Outside of having it and what not, I remember videos in the foyer part of the lines there, and buckets of Kentucky Fried the staff used to get from Wagga Wagga. So some good memories too.

    So, what happened there?

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  25. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    I don’t want to be at Adam’s Cat site during its present meltdown. Nor does Cassie.

    I’ve plenty of time for Lizzie. However, she wilfully engaged with (& thus encouraged) the looneys.

    Leave ’em alone to howl into the emptiness.

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  26. Top Ender says:

    Thanks Mark – nice pix on that. Always a moving account.

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  27. DavidH says:

    @Steve trickler
    Mach Loop / Stupid : https://i.imgur.com/2aFue7s.jpg

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  28. mh says:

    Sky News are uploading vids to YouTube, but only safe ones.
    Not AJ of course.
    Bolt has written a piece on the censorship.

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  29. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “Ladies, and some bike seat sniffers like Dr. Beaugan and Dr.Faustas over at Monty’s.*”

    Isn’t JC over there – he’ll be monty’s BFF, as long as they go on having lunch together?

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  30. mh says:

    Dr Jeanette gets worldwide attention:

    World News
    Australian Health Official Tells Grandparents: “Don’t Go Anywhere Near Your Grandkids”
    by Paul Joseph Watson


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  31. mh says:

    Jun 4
    You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.

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  32. Bruce in WA says:

    Never thought the day would come when my distaste for Nazis who stink up discussion fora (e.g. that pathetic, crazy Goebbels Whisperer person) would be less than my distaste for a massively entitled tyrant who will apparently go to any lengths to get a so-called libertarian website to bend to her will (i.e. Elizabeth “Lizzie” Beare)!

    Mate, fuck off — you give Western Australians a bad name! Stick your “distaste” where it belongs.

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  33. K2 says:

    Arky was there. Montifa let him post one of his rants.

    A pathetic, safe sanctuary for some ladies, and bike seat sniffers.

    Monty? FFS

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  34. Jorge says:

    The Australian team in Tokyo is the third largest there.
    ROI not bad.

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  35. K2 says:

    Alex Jones was “tin-foil hat” only three years ago.

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  36. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “Thanks Mark – nice pix on that. Always a moving account.”

    Top Ender, you’ll be getting some mail in the next few days, but in the meantime, would you care to comment on an appropriate fate for those who borrow SIGNED copies of books, and can’t remember who they lent those copies to? Life in chains, at hard labor?

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  37. HD says:

    Out of interest I looked up Spanish Flu on Wikipedia to see what the covid influencers and panic/ fear mongers have written in. Sure enough this claim has appeared under the “public health measures”:

    “Social distancing measures were introduced, for example closing schools, theatres, and places of worship, limiting public transportation, and banning mass gatherings.[146]”

    The above is not social distancing.

    How convenient the link for the reference ( referenced about 40+ times) doesn’t work. What have these butchers of history and reality not got into? I take it the most competent editor was referring to Journalist Laura Spinney’s 2018 book “Pale Rider: The Spanish Flu of 1918 and How It Changed the World.”

    Interesting where and why this most “prescient” work is referred to:



    Reference 22 is quite interesting:


    Which states in the second paragraph of introduction:

    “Until 1917, the new science of pathology had identified the bacteria causing disease, and had rapidly formulated vaccines. Most soldiers were inoculated against cholera, typhoid, and smallpox before they crossed over to France,…”

    Which in itself does suggest a potential causal transmission mechanism for H1N1 (Spanish Flu). Given these were not vaccines but rather variolates. That is to say biological material from sick/ dead people often injected into ( you would hope) the upper layers of the skin.

    So perhaps there is a basis to the argument some raise about vaccination, well, “contributing” to the Spanish flu pandemic. Virus straight past all the defences into tissues/ the bloodstream versus through a squamous cell interface such as the upper respiratory tract.

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  38. Alpha Romeo says:

    Joanna says:
    August 4, 2021 at 8:47 am
    Apologies if this has already been mentioned. The vile comedienne Kathy Griffin has been diagnosed with lung cancer. She will have surgery to have half her left lung removed. The cancer was caught early and doctors expect her to make a full recovery.

    Yeah sure she was vile and certainly no friend of the Orange God Emperor. But…

    She’s certainly kept herself nice*

    I’d crawl over a mile of broken glass just to take a single sniff of the exhaust pipe of the van that was taking her knickers to the laundry.

    *With the exception of half the manky lung.

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  39. mh says:

    Monty will be trying to get this site shut down.

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  40. K2 says:

    Sir Charles Court is rolling in his grave. WORD.

    All you other sandgropers who doubt that are pussies.

    Once the bulwark and bastion of Aussie culture and standards: and you let it die and succumb to the woke bullshit. FUCK OFF. You have no special status. We are all in this together, now.

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  41. DM OF WA says:

    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:
    August 4, 2021 at 11:13 pm

    I don’t want to be at Adam’s Cat site during its present meltdown. Nor does Cassie.

    I’ve plenty of time for Lizzie.

    I have no time for such people.

    Adam (D or P?), I do not know the site administrator at all, obviously worked very hard to get this website up and running in short order. All credit to him for his sterling effort. I assume he is a busy professional who has a real job, unlike some of the retired people who have the leisure to post endlessly here and on all the other Catallaxy clones.

    Yet this Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare has been complaining, insulting and threatening the site administrator non-stop for days because he apparently failed to respond instantly to her demands to make immediate changes to the website, specifically to deal with posts by a person whom she and most of us find distasteful.

    It is her massive sense of entitlement that got my goat in the end, and I snapped.

    It was like Adam is one her domestic servants who is expected to respond to his mistress’s every whim. It is not like Adam is some old academic with copious time on his hands to deal with his hobby website.

    I on the other hand am perfectly happy to wait and let Adam sort matters out in his own time. He’s earned that for sure.

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  42. mh says:

    The left have spent 30 years telling Queenslanders that the Joh Bjelke-Petersen government was fascist.

    Qld CHO Dr Jeanette Young tells Queenslanders not to leave the house and don’t dare see your grandchildren – that’s the right thing to do.

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  43. Steve trickler says:

    She is beautiful. Stunning lady.

    <a href = "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFtiwNUDIcs"Alphaville – Forever Young – (Jennifer Connelly 1990s) (1980s Music)

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  44. K2 says:

    @ Alpha Romeo.

    Back to Monty’s with you, prevert.

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  45. mh says:

    DM OF WA says:
    August 4, 2021 at 11:54 pm

    Well said, Sir.

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  46. Bruce in WA says:

    Yet this Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare has been complaining, insulting and threatening the site administrator non-stop for days because he apparently failed to respond instantly to her demands to make immediate changes to the website, specifically to deal with posts by a person whom she and most of us find distasteful.

    It is her massive sense of entitlement that got my goat in the end, and I snapped.

    It was like Adam is one her domestic servants who is expected to respond to his mistress’s every whim. It is not like Adam is some old academic with copious time on his hands to deal with his hobby website.

    I on the other hand am perfectly happy to wait and let Adam sort matters out in his own time. He’s earned that for sure.

    Utter BS. Lizzie made some valid criticisms and suggestions. You don’t like them? Stiff shit! She threatened and insulted no-one!

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  47. Steve trickler says:

    Happy to grab throats.

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  48. DM OF WA says:

    Alpha Romeo says:
    August 4, 2021 at 11:44 pm

    The vile comedienne Kathy Griffin has been diagnosed with lung cancer.

    I considered posting about this two days ago but I am a gentleman.

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  49. Alpha Romeo says:

    Libertijiberrjabber, Gliberatarian. Same, same.

    Juvenile markers.

    Just like kids tagging trains.

    Dogs pissing on fence posts.

    It’s what it does. It’s what it will always do.


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  50. srr says:

    Steve Johnson @StopFundingisrael 1m ·
    Australians locked up for the crime of being healthy
    – A speech on FREEDOM by Malcolm Roberts


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  51. Alpha Romeo says:

    K2 says:
    August 4, 2021 at 11:59 pm
    @ Alpha Romeo.

    Back to Monty’s with you, prevert.

    I hear what your laying down.

    On the other hand, I’m available if Kamala decides that it’s all too much and decides to take the same route to the basement as she did to the top…

    I know it’s potential heresy but Doctor Jill is still, weight for age, quite tidy.

    I’d be all over that like a wave on Japan.

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  52. Steve trickler says:

    Going to bed. Love you all.

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  53. Figures says:

    K2 you ask but you don’t really want the answer.

    I’ll give it anyway though.

    If disease could be spread then nobody would survive a trip to the doctor. Doctors themselves would have the lifespan of a fruitfly – a fruitfly that was into BASE jumping.

    But disease can be shared amongst siblings, classmates, colleagues etc. It usually isn’t but it certainly can be.

    So disease can be shared but it cannot be spread.

    That leaves two candidates for the cause of disease:

    Poisoning and stress (trauma).

    In the case of your army buddies it would have been the latter most likely. Note that the symptoms that we notice tend to come when the stress (trauma) is resolved.

    That’s why colleagues will often get sick at the end of a large project or people often get sick when they go on holidays.

    This seems bizarre until you understand that the (usually unrecognized) symptoms in the active (trauma) phase serve a biological (survival) purpose whereas the (always recognized) healing (post-trauma) phase symptoms are a rebalancing.

    This leaves us with an understanding of everything disease related without having to guess or make up stuff to fit the narrative.

    The length and severity of the “disease” (ie the healing phase) will be directly determined by the length and severity of the preceding trauma.

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  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Utter BS. Lizzie made some valid criticisms and suggestions. You don’t like them? Stiff shit! She threatened and insulted no-one!”

    Thanks, Bruce of WA. This pompous DM arsehole follows Johanna in slandering me to the nth degree, creating falsehoods re anything I have said simply because I speak my mind. It is vicious and unnecessary and not very smart. They are what they are.

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  55. Steve trickler says:

    I have a clenched fist.

    I’ll swing it to look after you Elizabeth.

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  56. Top Ender says:

    THE Central Land Council (CLC) is offering all its employees, the majority of whom are Indigenous, a cash incentive of $500 to get the Covid-19 jab.

    It’s believed to be the first NT business or organisation to offer a financial payment to get vaccinated against the coronavirus.

    CLC chief executive Lesley Turner said the organisation began offering the incentive due to a lack of government awareness campaigns targeted at Aboriginal people.

    “We had to do something before it’s too late and we get community transmission of the highly infectious Delta strain here in the Territory,” he said. “We wanted to encourage a higher uptake of vaccinations in our remote communities because our Aboriginal health services tell us the vaccine uptake has been very patchy.”

    Mr Turner said when the cash campaign kicked off five weeks ago, just two per cent of his 200 employees were vaccinated.

    He said that figure has now spiked to almost 100 employees, which includes elected Aboriginal councillors and executive members.

    NT News

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  57. Steve trickler says:

    F$ck the cold.

    It’s giving me the shits.

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  58. Farmer Gez says:

    Good old Delta Dawn is walking the streets of Melbourne again with a teacher at Al Taqwa college testing positive and being in the community for three days.

    I tied to keep my lunch down whilst reading the I💓Dan tweeters yesterday. The tongue bath hangover cure is more LockDan for these vacuous clowns.

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  59. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Well said BoN and Bruce in WA.

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  60. Farmer Gez says:

    Lies damned lies and medical propagandists.


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  61. Farmer Gez says:

    Now a player with Newport FC has supposedly tested positive.
    This report is doing the rounds of social media in Melbourne’s western suburbs.

    The Covid Commander and The Dear Leader could not be contacted at the Bunker.

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  62. Vicki says:

    This damn virus is truly a test of resolve.

    This morning The Australian published an open letter by a number of prominent (except for Nick) physicians calling for Australians to immediately become vaccinated with, if Pfizer is not available, AstraZeneca.

    What lunacy, I thought. Except for one name at the bottom.

    I won’t single it out (unless any Cat really wants me to), but suffice to say that it is a physician who, many years ago, saved the life of my husband when he had a case of intractable cellulitis in his leg. He prescribed a cocktail of life-saving drugs, injected by a pic line directly into his heart, that after 3 weeks, destroyed the infection.

    To say that I was shocked by his affirmation of the sentiments expressed in the letter printed out below, is an understatement..

    “Why are sensible physicians ignoring the credible evidence that there are effective treatments (and prophylactics) available for this virus, and that available vaccines are, at best, only partially effective in preventing serious illness? Beats me. I can only think this is a global example of “group think” and hysteria on a scale hitherto unseen.

    Will I change my mind on the basis of my deep respect for the said physician? No. I was blessed (or cursed) with a “need to know” & what I have discovered persuades me otherwise.

    The most common question we are being asked each day as health professionals is: “What should I do about a vaccine?”

    At present there are two Covid-19 vaccines available in Australia. Both are highly effective at preventing serious illness from Covid-19. Both have very rare side effects.

    But, as we move into August, with NSW hospitals filling as a result of thousands of people infected with Covid-19, and cases emerging in Queensland and elsewhere, there are millions of unused doses of AstraZeneca vaccine sitting in GP surgeries and vaccination clinics.

    In contrast, although supplies of the Pfizer vaccine are gradually increasing, there is insufficient supply to meet demand. Each day patients ask: “Should I wait for a Pfizer?”

    The Delta variant is highly infectious and appears to infect far more young people than earlier strains. It causes generally mild disease in vaccinated people, as evidenced in North America, Europe, Britain and vaccinated populations in Asia. Unvaccinated people are virtually the only ones who are dying of this strain.

    The disease is rising in Australia. If it escapes into an unvaccinated population, it is possible we could have thousands infected each day. Lockdowns are necessary to limit new cases, to enable our health system to manage them, and to minimise the heavy toll Covid would otherwise inflict.

    Through a combination of good management and good fortune, Australia has escaped the worst of the Covid pandemic. But we cannot, as a nation, continue to keep highly infectious strains of Covid at bay without major economic and social costs. Lockdowns alone cannot prevent the spread of the virus and they cause terrible stress and economic hardship.

    Against that background, our strong recommendation to all Australians in an outbreak setting is to get a first dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer vaccine as soon as possible, followed by a second dose as soon as possible. This is consistent with the latest Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation advice. Do not wait for the Pfizer vaccine if the AstraZeneca vaccine is available to you.

    AstraZeneca is an excellent vaccine that has saved millions of lives and will save many more. Covid kills, and by the time you or someone you love is infected, hospitalised or in ICU it’s too late.

    Concerns in the community about AstraZeneca – and preference for Pfizer – fall into two main categories. First is safety, and the commonly expressed concern that the AstraZeneca vaccine is not safe because of a link to a rare bloodclotting syndrome. Second is efficacy, and the current broadly held perception by patients that Pfizer offers better protection.

    In terms of safety, the side effect of the AstraZeneca vaccine, the blood-clotting syndrome called thrombosis thrombocytopenia syndrome is rare. For Australians over 50, the incidence of TTS following the AstraZeneca vaccine is about one in 50,000. In people under 50, the incidence is about one in 35,000. Death has occurred in about 5 per cent of people who had TTS, a less than one-in-amillion chance of dying as a result of vaccination. The low mortality rate compared with other countries is likely due to rapid implementation of improved diagnostic techniques and earlier effective treatments.

    Without getting into the minute details of exact risk for people of different ages and acknowledging that risks are slightly higher in younger people, the risk of TTS-caused mortality following vaccination is extremely low for all age groups. Significantly lower, in fact, than many other wellaccepted medical interventions and treatments.

    The risk of death from Covid-19 in Australia, in contrast, is one in 35. While the risk of death is highest in older age groups, we are now seeing serious illness and death in unvaccinated young patients. The risk, however, is not all about simple survival. Between 10 and 30 per cent of people who contract Covid will suffer long-term health consequences, the seriousness of which is yet to be fully understood.

    The related commonly asked safety question is whether people should have AstraZeneca if they have an existing health condition. “I have a heart condition so should I have Pfizer?” or “I had blood clots in the past so isn’t it dangerous for me to have AstraZeneca?” are frequent queries. Blood-clotting experts have identified four rare conditions that preclude people from AstraZeneda vaccination: a history of cerebral venous thrombosis, abdominal vein thrombosis, heparin-induced thrombocytopenia or antiphospholipid antibody syndrome with blood clots. For all others (excluding pregnant women) there are no preexisting health conditions for which there is any evidence that should prevent them from having AstraZeneca. People with a heart condition, diabetes, a history of deep vein thrombosis, a history of cancer, and many other chronic or severe conditions can be reassured that based on real-world data from the hundreds of millions of AstraZeneca doses administered, they face no additional risks. There is no evidence the vaccine impacts fertility.

    The advice for pregnant women has been updated and they are now advised to seek Pfizer vaccine if available. This is because there is less experience of AstraZeneca in pregnant women, not because there is evidence of increased risk. On the other hand, if pregnant women become infected with Covid-19, they are more likely than other women of the same age to have severe symptoms and need hospital admission. In terms of effectiveness in preventing severe disease, both AstraZeneca and Pfizer have similar profiles against Delta. Delta presents a greater challenge than previous variants of Covid. People who have one dose of AstraZeneca or Pfizer gain 33 per cent protection against severe disease caused by Delta, less than the protection provided for earlier Covid variants. Two doses however, whether AstraZeneca or Pfizer, are both highly protective against severe disease. Australia is at a critical point in the pandemic. In the past month we have had lockdowns in NSW, Victoria, Queensland and South Australia. Vaccines offer our only pathway to safeguarding the health of the community, preventing unnecessary deaths, avoiding the financial and health costs of future prolonged lockdowns, and opening our country back to the world. It is a phenomenal feat of human ingenuity and collaboration to have even one vaccine available so quickly after this new viral challenge arose. To get back to our normal lives, we need to make the most of every vial of every vaccine made – including AstraZeneca.”

    Bruce Robinson, endocrinologist, Royal North Shore Hospital Nick Coatsworth, infectious disease and respiratory physician, Canberra Hospital Mark Hertzberg, haematologist, Prince of Wales Hospital Tony Cunningham, virologist, Westmead Institute for Medical Research Michael Grigg, vascular surgeon, Box Hill Hospital Vijay Roach, obstetrician and gynaecologist, Royal North Shore Hospital Tania Sorrell, infectious disease physician, University of Sydney Bernie Hudson, infectious disease physician, Royal North Shore Hospital Steve Hambleton, general practitioner, Brisbane Gemma Figtree, cardiologist, Royal North Shore Hospital Danny Hsu, haematologist, Liverpool Hospital Ian Frazer, clinical immunologist, University of Queensland Lyn Gilbert, senior researcher, Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity Anthony Holley, intensive care specialist, Royal Brisbane and Women’s Hospital

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  63. Vicki says:

    Sorry, I did not put inverted commas in the right place. The letter starts at :

    “The most common question we are bring asked….”

    I havn’t mastered the technical aspect of inserting “bold”, “quotation emphasis” etc, without the buttons that were on the old Cat blog.

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  64. cohenite says:

    The new Cat has a distinctly eccentric air this morning. Consistent with my suggestion yesterday that Bird should join the filth:

    Comments and feedback: tbarnes@spectator.com.au
    Julian Burnside AO QC flirted with anti-Semitism. He won’t be missed.
    This isn’t a great time for good political news, but hearing that Julian Burnside AO QC has quit as the Greens’ presumptive candidate in Josh Frydenberg’s seat of Kooyong warmed the cockles.

    Burnside’s outspoken opinions on the state of Israel’s right to exist and defend herself finally caught up with him. The outrageous comments he and his wife have made on social media over the last week – Burnside likening Israel to Nazi Germany and his wife Kate Dunham labelling Frydenberg ‘just a Hungarian’ in reference to 2018 allegations he was constitutionally ineligible to be an MP because of his family’s displaced persons status after the War, were beyond the pale of civilised political discourse.

    They were more than crass. They were anti-Semitic. They certainly don’t deserve to be reproduced here.

    They were true to form, however. Burnside was the bloke who once posted an image of then Home Affairs minister Peter Dutton’s head on a SS death’s head badge. This was the bloke the Greens chose to stand against a decent Jewish man in Frydenberg. His wife subsequently deleted her even more offensive tweet, but she knew what she was saying in so viciously personalising her comment against Frydenberg: she turned a political statement into an anti-Semitic personal slur.

    Yest there is a skerrick of honour among thieves. After a week of pressure to stand aside, Burnside did the right thing in resigning his candidacy yesterday.

    But remember, he wasn’t pushed by the Greens party, or by its garrulous leader, Adam Bandt.

    Instead of saying that Burnside had gone too far, and was getting the boot, Bandt murmured such platitudes as, ‘The Australian Greens abhor racism in all its forms, and are particularly concerned by the resurgence of anti-Semitism seen across the world’.

    But, it seems, not particularly concerned about the anti-Semitism in the Australian Greens.

    Burnside may have gone back to his beloved Savage Club (if they will have him back, that is), but the one-eyed, hard Left attitude of the Greens to Israel remains.

    The Israel-Palestine question is a hard one to settle. The realities of the Middle East are nuanced. Israel is not perfect, as no state is. It is one thing to be pro-Palestinian – and that is the Greens’ right – but it is another to harbour and nurture anti-Semitism and racism in the party’s ranks.

    Adam Bandt should not only have distanced himself from Burnside and Dunham’s ugly and offensive remarks. He should have disowned them. He should have condemned them. But he didn’t because he couldn’t. There are hundreds more Burnsides in the Greens, all clamouring to impose their anti-Israel policy on an Albanese government should Labor win the next election. Bandt doesn’t dare cross them, and may well agree with them.

    Julian Burnside at least realised he failed a test of character. Adam Bandt has not, and that is his and his party’s shame.

    It’s a good article except like other generous people the author assumes the leader of the filth, bandt the bastard, has a capacity for shame.

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  65. johanna says:

    New Fred, peoples.

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  66. cohenite says:

    More antisemitism:

    Report: UN-Funded Palestinian Teachers Promote Antisemitism, Glorify Jihad Terrorism
    UNRWA “schoolteachers, principals and other staffers who openly support terrorism and antisemitism.”

    Commies, Nazis and muslims are the antisemites; what a pack of bastards.


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  67. Vicki says:

    Can’t recall if the anti-viral therapy now being pursued vigorously in view of the palpable failure of the vaccines has been discussed on this blog.

    If you can hold your nose while reading this transcript – the conversation with Fauci by the CSIS on June 17 is incredibly important.

    The “science” is now recognising the efficacy of Ivermectin. As a result, Merck, Pfizer & Roche have now got production of their versions of Iver underway. The US government has lightened their load by contributing $3.2 billion for development!

    If they won’t let us have Ivermectin – we may have to stomach this hypocrisy and extortion by accepting their Ivermectin Light.

    Greg Hunt has preordered plenty. I often think Hunt is the only one in the cabinet who understands what’s going on.


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  68. min says:

    I live approx 800 metres from Josh F ‘s office and we can hear the climate change protesters here . As usual using their mobile phones and came in their SUVs . Of course brains left at home.

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  69. TailgunneR says:

    “Eyrie says:
    August 4, 2021 at 5:59 pm
    Free speech means you don’t have to agree with what is being said….

    Amazing how many potential book banners and book burners you find on a supposed center right blog.”
    And all around one issue. Which is to be verboten, once again.
    Questions on the Holocaust.
    Questions are denial now though, right?
    Didn’t someone famous once say “if you want to know who rules you, look at who you cannot criticise”
    ?? unanswered only lead to more ??
    Any other historical events that are forbidden, Lizzie?
    You’re a historical chick, right?

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  70. TailgunneR says:

    Stimps should be banned too.
    He’s well outside the Overton window.

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  71. areff says:

    Apologies if posted earlier. Spontaneous Melbourne protest erupts.


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