Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

Hi Cats,

As you can see I have created a copy of the Cat for you to continue to bicker, argue and occasionally make a reasonable point.

I do hope a solution is found with the original Cat but just in case Sinc doesn’t want to transfer the site to a new generation I have built a replica before the closure so we can migrate as many of the community across as possible.

Programming Note: I rushed out the site so there will be bugs. I can get them fixed but did not want perfection to get in the way for progress.

Community Note: Please let as many cats know of the new blog as soon as possible so we can capture the magic of the original. In particular would love for the original posters to continue their great work here.

Ideological Note: I am an infrequent poster but long time reader of the Cat. The discussions there have been a huge part of my own ideological growth on many issues. In particular free speech is key for me so will have a very similar light touch to the original Cat, potentially adopting my one policy on an earlier forum I built: “No D***heads” which is subjective but surprisingly easy to implement.

Website Note: I will run the Cat as close to possible as the original because I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel. However if the community so wants I am happy to make changes to improve the experience so if you have any ideas let me know. For anything specific hit me up at the contact form, else go nuts in the comments.

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3,112 Responses to Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

  1. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    ok, then?


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  2. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    your name’s not right


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  3. Vicki says:

    “I am blaming the WEF, Klaus Schwab, and the commo corruptocrat elites in the UN and it’s many different forms and organisations including the likes of Bill Gates and others.”

    As usual, Struth, you are right on the money – literally.

    The “Build Back Better” mob are the Great Reset mob in another guise. It makes me dizzy. I watched (sorry, will look for the link) the young Dutch parliamentarian catching out the Dutch PM on his affiliation with Schwarb & others. It was wonderful – particularly coming from a brand new MP & so young. His hand shook as he produced a letter proving the PM was lying – but he held his nerve. There is hope yet.

    I have a grandson who is sceptical by nature, from a small tot. Inherited the gene? But also a granddaughter who is far more scholastic, but also very very woke. Who will prevail?


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  4. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “A little more patience is required to see the new Cat emerge from the current experimental stage.”

    Yes. Adam is working on it, no doubt.

    Meanwhile, we just have to make decency apparent in feelings about Birdstrikes. I think it must be hard for Cassie, SSR, and others with a Jewish background, to put up with the stinking nonsense though. It’s difficult enough for everyone else, including those like Calli and me who have relatives by marriage who are much loved Jewish family members.


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  5. Baba says:

    “She had started at a heavier weight – 120kg and 125kg – than most of the field but was unable to execute a clean snatch.”

    Fixed


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  6. H B Bear says:

    She had started at a heavier weight – 120kg and 125kg – than most of the field but was unable to execute a clean lift.

    Still thinking like a bloke seems to be the problem. For men, everything is a pissing contest.


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  7. Sancho Panzer says:

    The Mushroom Whisperer.
    You have good knowledge of many things.But is difficult for me to understand for English is not my mother tongue.


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  8. mh says:

    Monty, you’re not required here.

    Just saying.


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  9. Vicki says:

    “Grandmas are great and needed on the Cat. We can see back over the years and forward for our grandchildren. ”

    Yes, Lizzie, we have a contribution to make. I am an inveterate letter writer to the newspapers – have been for 50 years. But I love the Cat because we have such informed, committed, intelligent contributors. And, unlike the Letters to Editor space, you can have a running debate. I am very grateful for the generosity of most Cats.


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  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “m0nty says:
    August 3, 2021 at 9:20 am
    This site is not going to be much good if the owner is almost completely absent, nothing works properly and there’s no content.”

    Feel free to f##k off whenever you please, monty.


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  11. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Vicki @9:26
    +1


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  12. HD says:

    China criticises Australian domestic policy. Nothing like a good bit of hypocrisy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KScb7XjzE

    Gee, where did the bar normally above the reply text box go to? The one for italicising, hyperlinking…etc…


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  13. Ruprecht says:

    “ This site is not going to be much good if the owner is almost completely absent, nothing works properly and there’s no content.”

    Sounds a lot like your head Monty


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  14. John Brumble says:

    Couldn’t make a snatch, huh?


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  15. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Elizabeth.
    I appreciate you thinking on Franco.
    Also what is fellow grandmother?
    Is this more of transgender?”

    lol, Pancho. I don’t know a lot about Franco, but I was romantically on the side of the left in the Spanish Civil War. Franco was a brutal dictator, but he had considerable support. I would like to know more of where that came from, and if you can help, please comment on that.

    Fellow grandmothers are special people, Sancho. Members of a ‘fellowship’, which means a group who have particular things in common forming an outlook, in this case our grandchildren. Nothing to do with transgenderism, as I suspect you already know. But a good call on the term, it made me laugh as it was tres amusant .

    Now let me see if my HTML works.


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  16. srr says:

    “Sancho Panzer says:
    August 3, 2021 at 8:55 am
    Should I get two smart phones srr?
    How do we defeat this?”

    I’m of the, be in the world, not of the world, variety.
    Sometimes the best we can do is simply refuse to call a lie the truth, not sell poison as medicine and accept that those who do will make your worldly life hell for refusing to join them.


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  17. wivenhoe says:

    The thing I find amusing about Hubbard is that he couldn’t make it as a male, and couldn’t make it as a female so what is his next iteration going to be. Maybe compete as a skirt lifter.


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  18. Mark A says:

    m0nty says:
    August 3, 2021 at 9:20 am

    This site is not going to be much good if the owner is almost completely absent, nothing works properly and there’s no content.

    Still smarting that your offer (generous and graceful as it was) to run the new Cat was unanimously rejected?

    I agree however that when help is offered it should be at least considered.
    I think maybe egos come into it.

    Some of the problems could be corrected very easily.
    BTW I’m not offering my help, the highest programming language I’m proficient in is Assembly and I don’t Adam used it.

    Not saying I couldn’t cobble something together in C++ or others but coding is not what I do for a living.


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  19. rickw says:

    This site is not going to be much good if the owner is almost completely absent, nothing works properly and there’s no content.

    Most people don’t have as much spare time as you. Feel free to leave.


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  20. twostix says:

    LinkedIn: ground zero of bugman professional managerial class vapid virtue signalling and group-hug patting on the back, surprised me today.

    In my monthly check in to see what’s what, I see Morrison’s announcement of the ‘plan’ to ‘free’ us from the government’s captivity has been met with….a minor revolt by the managerial class with comments like this being voted up up up:

    And yet the UK have only 65% vaccination rate and are fully open. 70% will not be reached for some time – and 80% very unlikely at all. This is a hopeless plan that just gives each state and territory permission to continue lockdowns for the foreseeable future.
    ….

    So Scott Morrison, what does that mean for the Australians that either ‘don’t want’ or ‘can’t have’ the vaccine? Because according to the press conference by you, essentially that demographic of people will be punished for not being part of this ‘clinical trial’. And I call it a ‘clinical trial’, because that’s exactly what it is. All documents state quite clearly that the ‘clinical trials’ are not due to end until around 2023.

    So what ‘exactly’ is ‘your plan’ for those people?

    Also, what’s being done about the thousands of vaccine injuries occurring across the globe? Why are these being ignored completely and these vaccines still being pushed despite them.

    If tame liberal voters are breaking out in the verified-identity Maoist cult centre of LinkedIn…Morrison and his stupid ‘plan’ and the entire narrative is in trouble.


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  21. miltonf says:

    Interesting how being stupid, nasty and connected can make you very very wealthy. Exhibit A Fitzsimmons and what’s her name. Maybe stupid, nasty and connected should include sly and cunning.


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  22. egg_ says:

    I would argue the Open Thread is the home of ‘out there’ discussions.
    Play/don’t play is the user’s choice.

    Depends on what meets the clown posse’s approval.

    Luna Park fire conspiracehs! seem OK.


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  23. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Pancho, I did not know that English is not your mother tongue.

    It is a strange language with many expressions that are part of the cultural traditions – such as the saying ‘it is raining cats and dogs’. English also has words that draw on other languages, it is a polyglot language, so one concept in English can have six or seven words that offer different shades of the same meaning. Thus we have a Thesaurus, in which you can seek for any given word the words that are similar in meaning – synonyms – and words that carry an opposite sort of meaning – antonyms.

    Good luck with your English. Try to speak English as well, for the pronunciation is not always as it is spelled out. That is another aspect of having English descend in history through many iterations and with many varied cultural contacts.


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  24. struth says:

    Word wall to make all feel at home.

    Here are some facts you can’t get around unless you are putting emotion first.
    These genetic modifiers are not vaccines.
    They do not work.
    If they did the vaccinated would not care who is vaccinated around them.
    The “oh they sort of work but only if everyone else gets it” ……is insanity.
    It doesn’t work or it does.
    It doesn’t.
    None of them do.
    None of them were supposed to.
    Booster shots will constantly be needed to save you from nothing at all.
    Your passport that you have drooled over thinking it will free you, won’t get you a trip overseas but it may get you into the shops for now, until another jab is required, or a bill needs to be paid, or like in China, you have spoken to the wrong people or own too many pets etc.
    That’s the conclusion drawn by these facts from the sane.
    If you have not had an autopsy, cause of death is always a guess.
    ALWAYS.
    Maybe an educated guess, but it’s still not verdict you can rely on being one hundred percent accurate.

    People are being “hospitalised by covid” when in fact they were hospitalised by other problems and tested once they were in hospital.
    Many people used to get hospitalised by bad flus every year as well, but that was back in the sane years (all years before 2020)
    That test has been proven to be and admitted by the CDC to be wildly inaccurate and unable to tell the difference between viruses (hence the disappearance of the yearly flu)
    Nowhere in the world has the overall death rate risen and nowhere in the world have hospitals been over run due to covid.
    Covid has over a 99.8 survivability, which means it’s better for oldies to catch that than the common flus which kill thousands more oldies every year.

    But here are some other undisputable facts.
    Klaus Schwab and the WEF, with the support of the UN and all it’s corrupt subsidiaries like the WHO and CEPI openly admit that they are bringing in the great reset.
    Which is nothing short of tyranny by digital means.
    On a scale unimaginable to tyrants of the past.
    Thanks to technology.
    They openly tell us that we will eat much less meat, we won’t own anything (they will) and we will be happy share renting.
    We will eat bugs instead, and as you can see they are starting with that rot already.
    They will do these by collapsing the western economies with hyperinflation.
    They will be moving us out of country areas and “rewilding” to save the planet, and by the way, there needs to be at least 2 billion less of us to save the planet.
    They say this on their own websites.
    Facts.
    Facts.
    Facts.

    These people who have imprisoned us have just taken the fuel tax from their private jets.

    These are facts.
    I’m sure many would like to believe that it’s about a virus, but 18 months later, with vaccine passports the goal, and now being introduced, something far more devastating than a bloody cold awaits us if people will not accept the hard facts and continue to delude themselves with easier to swallow lies.


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  25. Mark A says:

    Franco was a brutal dictator

    Is there any other kind?
    I thought it was only a matter of degree.

    There is a reason why there is no ‘benevolent’ dictator anywhere and never was, never will be.


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  26. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “This site is not going to be much good if the owner is almost completely absent, nothing works properly and there’s no content.”

    I think M0nts really does care for this site, Rick, so we should cut him some slack here. He is stating an obvious truth, but unlike the rest of us, he is hassling Adam unfairly at this stage in the development of the new Cat.


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  27. struth says:

    Lindsay Graham has the flu.
    The PCR test cannot distinguish the difference.
    Hard for some people to believe because they still put too much faith in others and corrupted, marched through, socialist medicine.


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  28. rickw says:

    Everybody should look at the Freedom Phone.

    Tim “The Beanie” Pool had the creator his show not long ago as a guest.

    Dot, do they work ok on our telecommunist mobile networks?

    I sent them an email query on this but didn’t get a response.


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  29. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Word wall to make all feel at home.”

    Yep, sure does Struth, and not all of it is nonsense either. I find the general push to align the climate issues, which are very unevidenced, with Covid, which is reasonably well-evidenced imho, a very disturbing trend. This Great Re-set is something which we should all be fighting as hard as we can, for it is truly malign.


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  30. m0nty says:

    “Still smarting that your offer (generous and graceful as it was) to run the new Cat was unanimously rejected?”

    (Not sure if blockquote is working?)

    No Mark, I understand why, but I am disappointed.

    If the Dash site is going to attract contributors and fix bugs, it needs Adam to be present and working on it. It seems like he has half-arsed it. Would love to be proven wrong.


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  31. Dot says:

    I might start blogging here.

    It might even be about BlockChain!

    Or Freedom Phones.

    Or the surveillance state.

    Or how many rights we don’t have.

    Or the perfect form of government.


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  32. Roger says:

    “If punters are paid and it all goes horribly wrong, do they have a case to sue the Commonwealth (keeping in mind that pharma is indemnified).”

    Be patient, calli; there’s only so much detail you can fit on a napkin and the costings took up most of the space.


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  33. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Adam, yell out if you need some funding or assistance. Cats stand ready to help.


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  34. Old School Conservative says:

    But was still trounced by real girls. Not girly men. Girls.

    Those girls will need to do a Dean Lukin and lose a lot of weight before entering the world outside of their sport.


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  35. mh says:

    Someone posted above.
    Just highlighting this is Paul Joseph Watson.
    Needs to go viral this one

    Australia Has Fallen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KScb7XjzE


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  36. rickw says:

    LinkedIn: ground zero of bugman professional managerial class vapid virtue signalling and group-hug patting on the back, surprised me today.

    I do and don’t understand the mentality. I know conservatives who got the jab because it suited their age and medical situation. They said as much about it as they would have said about a flu shot.

    Then there’s the other category. Zoom photo changed to them with their vaccine certificate and background changed to the “fully vaccinated” check mark.

    The cause of the difference? Mental illness IMHO.


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  37. H B Bear says:

    I thought all dictators started out as benevolent ones? You start out loving the people and up having to kill them – for their own good of course.


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  38. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “There is a reason why there is no ‘benevolent’ dictator anywhere and never was, never will be.”

    Originally the term “Dicatator” was developed as part of the Roman polity as a short term appointment of someone who could solve problems and get things done. Caesar turned the appointment into a permanent one.

    We all know how that turned out with the Ides of March. You can read a short history of that here:

    https://www.shorthistory.org/ancient-civilizations/ancient-rome/julius-caesar-as-dictator-and-the-ides-of-march-44-bc/


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  39. H B Bear says:

    One thing you can’t accuse mUnty of being is half arsed. Twice ankled maybe.


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  40. candy says:

    “Also what is fellow grandmother?
    Is this more of transgender?”

    That’s pretty clever, Sancho. I bet you speak absolutely perfectly good English.
    Just a hunch.


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  41. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Or the perfect form of government.”

    OK, Plato. We’re waiting. 🙂


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  42. mh says:

    Reading the comments on the PJW vid

    Areyoukiddingme
    5 hours ago
    Australia is officially OFF my bucket list!! So sorry for all the good people of Australia!😥😢😭😥😢😭


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  43. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Norman Swan is a disgrace..so when will Youtube suspend their ABC for misinformation?


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  44. Sancho Panzer says:

    Thank you for the best wishes with the English Elizabeth.
    My ESL teacher says to me to engage in blogs and social media to learn English-Australian idiots.
    Sometimes there is too much idiots and I do not understand.


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  45. Roger says:

    Adam D.,

    Please add to your list of blog updates:

    The Liberty Quote that appears on every page is not from Abraham Lincoln and if it is to appear as a permanent feature it should be corrected. It’s by American poetess Emma Wheeler Wilcox:

    ‘To sin by silence, when we should protest,
    Makes cowards out of men. The human race
    Has climbed on protest. Had no voice been raised
    Against injustice, ignorance, and lust,
    The inquisition yet would serve the law,
    And guillotines decide our least disputes.
    The few who dare, must speak and speak again
    To right the wrongs of many. Speech, thank God,
    No vested power in this great day and land
    Can gag or throttle…’

    Lincoln, otoh, attempted to undermine the 1st Amendment by suspending habeus corpus in order to suppress dissent against his war, leading to the trial before military tribunals and subsequent imprisonment of civilians who called for peace.

    No doubt he thought right was on his side; they all do.


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  46. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    I see that I still have much to learn in the HTML formatting line.

    I think I may wait for that glorious day when the buttons reappear.

    No pressure, Adam, no pressure at all. 🙂


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  47. E.J. says:

    Have you all seen this legislation put up by MP Craig Kelly..still fighting on!
    https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2021B00078


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  48. Sancho Panzer says:

    Oh no.
    I mean idioms.
    Not idiots.
    I am thinking Sancho is now the idiot.


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  49. Barking Toad says:

    hehe – thank you Baba @ 9:29am


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  50. candy says:

    Monty was good to offer the use of his site. In the end though how could he resist the urge to chuck people off if he really felt affronted by their conservative non-liberal views.

    Prof. Davidson was pretty sturdy in that regard and kept people on despite issues with viewpoints.


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  51. candy says:

    Sancho is having you on, Lizzie. A trickster of some sort.


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  52. m0nty says:

    My ESL teacher says to me to engage in blogs and social media to learn English-Australian idiots.
    Sometimes there is too much idiots and I do not understand.

    Liberty Quote!


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  53. Old bloke says:

    Is it correct that dual-nationals can leave and return to Australia, albeit with quarantine requirements on return? If this is the case, are there any countries who sell citizenship complete with their passport?

    That could be a great earner for small bankrupt countries to sell citizenship to locked-in Australians who want to get away from this place. Kim il Morrison has turned this place into North Korea.


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  54. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    lol, again, Pancho. Plenty of idiots here at times, are there not?

    It strikes me that you have quite deliberately chosen this site for your instruction and amusement, mon Panzer .

    What is that Spanish saying? Hasta la vista? Vaya con dios?
    Now you’ve exhausted my movie Spanish. And probably my HTML. 🙂


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  55. Muddy says:

    mh says:
    August 3, 2021 at 12:19 am

    Hi Muddy!
    A bit cheeky I know.
    +++

    Hi mh.
    No, not at all. I have no problems with constructive criticism (though it’s easier to interpret when it’s more detailed).
    The Catictionary began as a response to Cats writing ‘What can I do as an individual against the machine?’ My theory is that everything starts with the language we use, and that is within our power to control. We can choose not to use the misnomer ‘activist’ when what is truly applicable is ‘provocateur’ or ‘economic vandal.’ Just as we have watched our opponents hijack, redefine, and ‘flag’ certain words/phrases/concepts within our language, we can also choose to do the same in return. Et cetera …

    Yes, my occasional guest posts do not generally fit within the popular category of posts here (at Cat2), but I write them as a means of managing my frustration at seeing – albeit it in pixelated form – so many intelligent, sharp minds in action, but so few measurable outcomes.


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  56. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Yep. Why does it all go to italics when I put the little ‘i’ brackets around something?


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  57. egg_ says:

    I am blaming the WEF, Klaus Schwab, and the commo corruptocrat elites in the UN and it’s many different forms and organisations including the likes of Bill Gates and others.

    Enabled by Leftards, TheirABC being a case in point.

    Chyna is obviously higher on the Leftard victimhood totem pole than say Russia as a “developing nation” according the big UN/EU/(WHO) umbrella group whose altar Leftards pray upon.

    All that corruptocrats have to do is get on board with the umbrella group and they’re home free.

    The above are enabling the Globalists.

    Viz: Trump labels Rona the Chyna virus = brickbats from the Leftards.

    Chunks seemingly unwittingly release a rogue flu – the above apparatus swings into action and left unchecked we end up in the Global mess we’re in with vultures picking off the meat from the bones (viz US evictions moratorium expiring).


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  58. Roger says:

    “Norman Swan is a disgrace..so when will Youtube suspend their ABC for misinformation?”

    You’ll remember he copped a lot of flack online for being a dickhead and scolding Sydneysiders for being out and about in their cars (probably in the course of just trying to earn a living). Lo & behold, who should appear on ‘Conversations’ with his life story shortly thereafter but Doctor – for a MBChB he is – Norman Swan.


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  59. Pogria says:

    MH, in the comments to the Paul Joseph Watson clip, there was this little beauty;

    US – Idiocracy
    UK – V for Vendetta
    AUS – Minority Report
    New Zealand – Brave New World


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  60. Muddy says:

    Sancho.
    For a non English speaker, your written syntax is largely correct.
    Huh.


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  61. m0nty says:

    Monty was good to offer the use of his site. In the end though how could he resist the urge to chuck people off if he really felt affronted by their conservative non-liberal views.

    Prof. Davidson was pretty sturdy in that regard and kept people on despite issues with viewpoints.

    The Doomlord had the mix about right. He probably could have gone earlier on banning Anne, and I would have turfed Zippy for being a Nazi before he started putting his head down and pretending otherwise. Other than that, I would have tried to emulate his example. What’s the point of a libertarian site if you don’t moderate it in a libertarian style?

    I would have really struggled with publishing Kates though, even though many of you enjoy his stuff. It is so boring to me, contentless and unoriginal. I guess you lot need to chew that cud.

    Wasn’t to be though, the operative phrase seems to be “clean break”, and we are now in an interregnum. I am not sure this site is the answer. Prove me wrong!


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  62. Sancho Panzer says:

    Muddy.
    I am writing in English and also trying to be speaking in English for ten years.
    But is not my mother tongue.
    I am studying in business and was recommended to the other Catalaxy for the economics.
    It was very fast for my comments.


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  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Sancho is having you on, Lizzie. A trickster of some sort.”

    Don’t worry, Candy. I have been suspicious of him from the start.

    Gave the benefit of the doubt, but the next comment was his giveaway.

    So I have wished him good day and goodbye. In fluent Spanish!


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  64. Muddy says:

    Sancho Panza is a fictional character in the novel Don Quixote written by Spanish author Don Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra in 1605. Sancho acts as squire to Don Quixote and provides comments throughout the novel, known as sanchismos, that are a combination of broad humour, ironic Spanish proverbs, and earthy wit. “Panza” in Spanish means “belly”.Wikipedia.


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  65. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Dot @9:54
    Please do.


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  66. Roger says:

    Sancho is Vasili redivivus; only Vasili was funnier.


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  67. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “What’s the point of a libertarian site if you don’t moderate it in a libertarian style?”

    The fact that you are able to say that M0nty is why people still want you here. In spite of being a lefty of sorts, perhaps resiling from some earlier leftism (hopes she who definitely has done so), you do keep us on our toes with regard to our differences with you.


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  68. m0nty says:

    candy warning Lizzie about Sancho being a figment of someone’s imagination is a laugh. candy stuck out like a sore thumb from “her” first post as being a fake account.


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  69. Mak Siccar says:

    Scary stuff. The original article contains lots of linkys.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/08/do_the_covid_vaccines_work_or_not.html

    Do the COVID Vaccines Work or Not?
    By Brian C. Joondeph, M.D.

    We are a year and a half into the world’s nightmare of COVID-19, also known as the Chinese coronavirus, based on where this demon virus originated and spread from, either intentionally or inadvertently.

    We have been told to not wear masks, then wear one mask, then two masks, then no masks indoors. Now we are back to indoor masking and soon outdoor masking, too.

    The same “experts” told us that the vaccines were safe and effective, the pathway out of this nightmare. If we were vaccinated we no longer had to wear a mask, at least as of last May, according to the CDC. Two months later they reversed course, recommending mask-wearing indoors even if fully vaccinated.

    Celebrities, from Pele to Dolly Parton, are endorsing the vaccines, showing photos of themselves getting jabbed. Yet despite half of American adults being fully vaccinated, cases are rising, as this CNN headline screams.

    Do the vaccines work or not? Depending on the day and pronouncement, it is hard to know.

    First, the COVID “vaccines” are not true vaccines based on the definitions of vaccines. Rather than the “vaccine” containing attenuated virus, it is a strand of messenger RNA, based on genetic code provided by China and serving as the basis for these novel “vaccines” which cause the body to create spike protein which in turn supposedly generates an immune response in the vaccinated to supposedly provide short or long term immunity. How long that immunity lasts is anyone’s guess.

    I say “supposedly” frequently as it seems no one knows anything for sure. The New York Times belatedly acknowledged, “There’s much to learn about how the virus spreads.” Tell that to the CNN and MSNBC anchors who think they have it all figured out.

    Just because mRNA vaccines represent new technology doesn’t mean it won’t work or it’s bad. But it is a leap of faith assuming genetic code received from China is accurate and doesn’t contain any malicious bits. We can now 3D print organs. If an adversary country sent us computer code to 3D print a new kidney, would we rely on such code to be safe and effective?

    Do vaccines prevent illness or simply mitigate things? The influenza or flu vaccine is about 50 percent effective, meaning many still get the flu. The COVID vaccine trials’ primary endpoint, confirmed cases at least two weeks post-vaccination, was met, as was the secondary endpoint of reducing severe cases.

    Watching the news today, one wonders how effective the vaccine really is. Distrust was sowed early by President Biden and Vice-President Harris who didn’t trust the vaccines and would refuse to take them “if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it.”

    No wonder there is distrust in vaccines. Biden, who we’re told got over 80 million votes, 25 percent more than Barack Obama in 2012, must be trusted and revered by many Americans. If he said he didn’t trust Operation Warp Speed and the resulting vaccines, many Americans followed his lead.

    Hence lotteries and cash incentives to take the vaccine, as the carrot. Now the stick of getting vaxxed or being fired. This is the approach hospitals and businesses are taking. For a vaccine that works, Americans should be eager to receive it. Yet only half of American adults have been fully vaccinated.

    It’s not, as the media likes to claim, that only MAGA country is unvaccinated. For example, Georgia, which voted for Biden over Trump, and elected two Democrat senators, ranks 45th in vaccination, with only 38 percent of its population vaccinated, far below the national average. Bronx and Brooklyn, hardly Trump country, are only 45 and 48 percent respectively, fully vaccinated, below the national average.

    If the vaccines work, why do we see headlines like this? “Tennessee experiences 27 deaths in more than 1,000 breakthrough cases among vaccinated individuals.” Or from a solid non-MAGA blue state, “49 people who were fully vaccinated have died of COVID in NJ.” From the Washington Post, “Three fourths of those infected in Mass. outbreak were vaccinated.” Do the vaccines work or not? Or were the vaccine expectations overly optimistic?

    Chinese coronavirus cases peaked in the U.S. in early January, before anyone was fully vaccinated, and have been declining since, until a recent uptick in positive tests. Cases in India peaked in early May and then precipitously dropped despite only 7 percent of the population being fully vaccinated. In these cases, the vaccine could not have been responsible for the declines.

    Maybe it’s the COVID test. A positive test is not necessarily a case, particularly in those who are asymptomatic or immune from previous infection or vaccination. How did 9 New York Yankees test positive after being vaccinated? Or number one golfer in the world Jon Rahm, testing positive and being booted from the Olympics despite having had COVID and being vaccinated?

    This is the same test that was “positive” when a goat and paw paw fruit were tested in Tanzania last year.

    The question is not only whether the vaccines work but also if the testing works? It seems we really don’t know.

    Does the CDC want to investigate any of these issues? It seems they do not, declining to investigate mild infections in vaccinated individuals. Wouldn’t be relevant, especially when the vaccines are not yet FDA-approved, and their real-world efficacy would be relevant to the FDA in making an approval decision?

    Not looking for or recording breakthrough cases is a good way to not have any, but that’s not science. It’s like the old medical school axiom, “If you don’t take a temperature you won’t find a fever.”

    The clown show continues. Now the CDC wants vaccinated individuals to be tested after COVID exposure even without symptoms. Exposure might mean a few viral fragments in your nose, and with a PCR test using a cycle threshold of 40 or higher, you will test positive. And be sent home from work or the Olympics. Even if you are not sick or contagious.

    How many of us are carrying insignificant and irrelevant bits of all sorts of bacteria and viruses? So what? Should we all live in a bubble?

    The Surgeon General thinks so. He is now, “recommending fully vaccinated people wear masks outdoors to protect the unvaccinated.” His predecessor, a year and a half ago, said the opposite, that the general public shouldn’t be buying or wearing masks. So, which is it? Have decades of infectious disease science changed in a year?

    If masks are effective, then why the concern over who is vaccinated or not? Those vaccinated should be safe and don’t need to wear a mask to protect themselves. Those unvaccinated shouldn’t be at risk from the vaccinated if the vaccines work. Confused yet?

    If the COVID test is accurate, why are previously infected and/or vaccinated testing positive, upending their lives and livelihoods? Does the test distinguish between the flu and COVID, as the CDC quietly acknowledged that current tests may not? This might explain the absence of influenza this past season as those with the flu may have been misdiagnosed as having COVID.

    We now hear from the CDC, via leaked documents, from the administration with the “highest standards of transparency”, that the latest Greek letter variant, “spreads from fully vaccinated people at the same rate as unvaccinated people.” In other words, those getting vaccinated from the virus are still getting the virus. Meaning the touted vaccines are accomplishing what?

    The Los Angeles Unified School District acknowledges that the vaccines accomplish little. They are mandating all students and employees, regardless of vaccination status, have a weekly COVID test. So why get vaccinated, especially for those who already have antibodies? Half of LA County residents may have already had COVID, providing better immunity than a vaccine.

    Imagine if the Chinese coronavirus was treated sensibly as previous viral pandemics were, without faulty tests, mass testing of asymptomatic individuals, inflated case and death counts, media censorship of any challenge to establishment dogma, discounting the potential merits of safe therapeutics, all in favor of a vaccine that may not be working as advertised. What if herd immunity was considered the pathway forward rather than QAnon conspiracy theory? Was it ever about the virus or furthering a political agenda?

    Brian C. Joondeph, MD, is a fully COVID-19 vaccinated physician and writer. He is on sabbatical from social media.


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  70. cohenite says:

    Thanks Tom and Mark. I see bird cannot contain his antisemitism. He really is a sick little little birdie, probably avian flu.

    Rand Paul interviewed by Tucker:

    “You’re a physician, licensed to practice, have practiced for many years.,” Tucker went on. “I thought it was part of the foundational ethics of American science that you could not force people to accept medicine — cognizant people who can make their own decisions — to accept medicines that they don’t want and they don’t need. Is that true?”

    “Yeah, without question,” Senator Paul responded. “In a free society, each individual makes their own decision. Medicine is based on your own individual history and ultimately on your choice. Sometimes you get more than one doctor’s opinion because all the doctors don’t agree on the advice.”

    “Right,” Carlson agreed.

    “But right now, they are going back to masks, saying it’s the Delta variant,” he said. “Well, there’s one large study out of England, from Public Health England, 92,000 patients, and do you know how many people died in the vaccinated wing of this under age 50? Zero. Do you know how many people died — there were 52,000 people unvaccinated — do you know how many people died? Six.”

    “That works out to 0.08 percent less than the flu. That’s under age 50,” he continued. “Over age 50, there was about half as many people died as were dying last year. So the Delta variant is more transmissible but less deadly.”

    “But if you say that, Facebook will take you down; they’ll chastise you, take away your birthday, and say you’re spreading mistruth,” he said. “But it’s absolutely factual. The Delta variant is more transmissible but far less deadly than the virus from last year.”


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  71. egg_ says:

    “Kim il Morrison has turned this place into North Korea.”

    In a sea of global vested interests, Scumoron creates a National Cabinet of vested interests.

    What could possibly go wrong?


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  72. candy says:

    “candy stuck out like a sore thumb from “her” first post as being a fake account”

    Maybe Monty you don’t appreciate or have the gut-feel for truth when you see it, but see it through a kind of lens?


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  73. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “a fictional character in the novel Don Quixote”

    Yay! Knew I’d heard that name somewhere before.
    Should have Googled it. 🙂


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  74. Grigory M says:

    This thread would already have attracted numerous comments and robust debate.

    Strongly disagree. Such a thread would simply re-hash everything about those matters that has already been hashed and re-hashed ad nauseam on the now dead and gone catallaxyfiles.com.

    I would also like to see Vikki Campion’s weekly piece uploaded for discussion.

    No. Just no.


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  75. cohenite says:

    Can’t help themselves:

    No Respect: US Athlete Raven Saunders Risks Losing Medal After Flaunting Olympic Rules with Her Political Protest at Medal Ceremony

    Raven is black and nominally female but who can tell these days:

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/no-respect-us-athlete-raven-saunders-risks-losing-medal-flaunting-olympic-rules-political-protest-medal-ceremony/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=the-gateway-pundit&utm_campaign=dailypm&utm_content=daily

    Appaently the Aussie girl came thrid and will come second if Raven is disqualified.


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  76. m0nty says:

    Maybe Monty you don’t appreciate or have the gut-feel for truth when you see it, but see it through a kind of lens?

    I have a very well-develop bullshit detector, candy, and you make the lights swivel and the klaxon blare.


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  77. Muddy says:

    Bar Beach Swimmer says:
    August 3, 2021 at 10:33 am

    Dot @9:54
    Please do.
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    Seconded.
    Potential contributors need to step up rather than expect Adam to provide the content AND manage the site. Surely many of you can do better than my abstract and sometimes obscure posts on Cat2?


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  78. Ruprecht says:

    Roger, did they mr tin that Norman hasn’t practiced medicine since 1982?


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  79. Old School Conservative says:

    I am thinking Sancho is now the idiot.

    In my idle moments, I think he’s not an idiot, he’s a very naughty boy!


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  80. Muddy says:

    Roger says:
    August 3, 2021 at 10:34 am

    Sancho is Vasili redivivus…
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    The things you learn here. I had to look that up.
    All I need is an opportunity to use that in conversation at work. It might help if I practiced pronouncing it first.


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  81. srr says:

    You are a writer Lizzie. What is this problem you have with the simple word, “some” that you feel the need to change it into “all”?
    You also seem to not know the difference between, “srr” & “SSR”.

    Lizzie says –
    **”As for SSR, she is a fellow grandmother and is entitled to her opinion, and also entitled to not have it linked to much of the internet lunacy of paedophile ‘pizzagate’ etc, but she does not help her cause by suggesting that paedophilia underwrites all of the elites of this very complex world. As in:

    “simply because I acknowledge the fact some of the worst real world crimes fund the placing and keeping of some the worse people in positions of power. … ””**

    Remember that as well as Cartels & other terrorists ‘trading’ in children (because it’s so lucrative & punishments so light; just look at the still ongoing Rape Jihad in the UK), they also trade in the worst of drugs such as Fentanyl which like other drug precursors is sold to them by The Communist Chinese.

    This is all very real & very serious. So serious that Trump sent one of America’s largest Naval fighting forces to the central & south American waters, in an operation that involved 22 Nations.
    That is also a classic example of SOME of the world’s Best people of great Power fighting SOME of the world’s Worst people of Great Power.


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  82. Bons says:

    https://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,443104.0.html

    Good toons here. Sorry, you will have to C & P, I can’t get the linky to work.


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  83. candy says:

    “I have a very well-develop bullshit detector, candy, and you make the lights swivel and the klaxon blare”

    I don’t know about that Monty. You support that pervert Biden and can’t see what that man is, or don’t want to see.


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  84. Top Ender says:

    Another good article by Adam C:

    Hate to spoil crime ‘rise’, but it’s clickbait
    ADAM CREIGHTON

    Turn on the television in the US and you would think America is the most racist, sexist, homophobic nation in the world. It turns out use of the words sexist, racist and homophobic has jumped about 500 per cent between 2010 and 2019, according to a study published last month that tracks the 47 most widely read and watched news outlets in the US since 1970.

    The three authors, from the universities of Columbia and Otago, find “a sharp, substantial, and ubiquitous rise in the usage of words that denote prejudice”. In The New York Times, for instance, use of the words racist and sexist surged by 638 per cent and 403 per cent respectively

    Has the US suddenly entered some de facto apartheid? “US hate crime is highest in more than a decade,” the BBC screamed in November, reporting on the latest (2019) annual hate crime statistics. It turns out hate crime is a minuscule proportion of crime and, if anything, has been in steep decline. The US experienced 7314 incidents of hate crime in 2019, up 2.7 per cent from the year before, while the number of offenders rose 2.2 per cent to 6406. The number of victims, though, fell slightly to 8812.

    So, more people hated fewer people but a little more passionately than the year before. Does the volume or intensity of hate matter more than the consequences? Who knows in the bizarre world of hate crime hysteria?

    Men were five times as likely to be murdered in the US in 2019, making up 80 per cent of the 15,000-odd homicides. But according to the hate crime statistics, women suffered 52 incidents, men only 17.

    Overall, violent hate crimes didn’t even make up 0.5 per cent of the 1.2 million total number of violent crime incidents in 2019, barely a rounding error.

    Moreover, hate crime has been falling. In 1996, the first year of online hate crime data, 8935 offenders committed 8760 hate crimes. In 2008, the year Barack Obama was elected president, 6921 offenders committed 7783 hate crimes. And in 2016, when Donald Trump was elected, 5727 offenders committed 6063. The downward trend is clear.

    Moreover, the US population has increased by about 60 million since 1996 and the likelihood of a given crime being officially motivated by hate – as opposed to, say, indifference or passion – must surely have increased. For example, the number of hate crimes “motivated by two or more biases”, if a crime were simultaneously transphobic and racist, for example, has shot up from a mere six in 1996 to a shocking 211 in 2019.

    And no wonder given the range of things to be officially hated for has increased. The 1990 statistics didn’t include anti-transgender, anti-gender nonconforming and anti-mental disability. The number of races you can be hated for has doubled to eight since those naive times.

    “Swelling Anti-Asian Violence: Who Is Being Attacked Where,” The New York Times screamed in April. Anti-Asian hate crime rose to 158 incidents in 2019 from 148 the year before, leaving 23 million Asian-Americans at greater risk of being killed by a lightning strike over the course of their lives than suffering an anti-Asian attack. They are twice as likely to be killed by a dog.

    In February 2019 a black and gay actor, Jussie Smollett, was charged by Chicago police with fabricating his own hate crime. He had told police he was assaulted by Trump supporters for his race and sexuality. The case continues.

    In March that year, three professors from the University of North Texas and Texas A&M claimed US counties that had hosted Trump rallies in 2016 had endured a 226 per cent increase in “hate-motivated incidents”. “This is among the first research to systematically show that Trump events are correlated with a significant rise in domestic hate,” they boasted in their paper.

    Unfortunately for them, Hillary Clinton’s rallies induced an even greater increase in hate incidents, using the same methodology. “Politicians tend to hold political rallies near where large numbers of people live. And in places with more people, the raw number of crimes is generally mechanically higher,” other academics, including Australian Matthew Lilley, a PhD student at Harvard, pointed out in a separate study in September 2019.

    Why discussion and accusations of prejudice have surged astronomically while actual incidents flatlined or probably even declined isn’t clear.

    “Increasing prevalence of prejudice-denoting words in news media discourse is often substantially correlated with US public opinion survey data on growing perceptions of minorities’ mistreatment,” the authors of the new study point out.

    Perhaps in a few years Americans have become much more aware of and concerned about prejudice, prompting news media to satisfy this curiosity. Alternatively, the media independently has whipped up a frenzy about prejudice without justification, creating the false impression among readers that it has increased. Why would it do that?

    The loss of traditional advertising revenue streams has forced publishers and broadcasters to become far more attuned to what elicits clicks and subscriptions than in the past. Accusations of prejudice make for an easy story, especially when outside think tanks and quangos have popped up dedicated to finding examples of prejudice and writing reports about it. Researchers at outfits such as the Centre for Study of Hate and Extremism in California would be out of work were it not for hate and extremism.

    Rather than discuss the remarkable decline in crime, hate and non-hate, since the 1990s, let alone earlier decades, it’s better to carp about what’s left, as if there ever will be zero in a world of almost eight billion people.

    It’s not only business and personal self-interest. The focus of left-wing politics has shifted dramatically from economic inequality to identity politics: the more perceived hate crime, the greater the likely success of attempts to profit electorally from dividing people by race, sex and sexuality.

    Oz print edition


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  85. mh says:

    ‘Australia’s leading libertarian and centre-right blog’

    Should we keep this?
    What the hell is centre right in 2021?
    The Liberal Party might have been loosely described as centre right years back, but not today.
    And what is being centre right going to achieve when we are being lined up against the wall?


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  86. lotocoti says:

    Is not for bullshit I am good English speakink.


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  87. Carpe Jugulum says:

    Muddy – “interpret when it’s more detailed).
    The Catictionary began as a response to Cats writing ‘What can I do as an individual against the machine?’”

    Must nearly be time to show the whole Cat Lexicon again, there is some very pithy content there.


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  88. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    For Sancho Panzer some suggestions for a gravatar icon!

    Sancho Panza Wall Art | Fine Art America

    Lots of great Don Quixote art. I think I like this one best, mainly for being interestingly weird.


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  89. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    I really do have to get other things done today, so will bow out now.

    I hope more of the old crew will keep coming in to counterbalance Birdie and his ilk.

    Rafe, if you are reading, how about an update of your recent climate searches on a Main Thread? And Cassie’s idea of putting up Vicki Campion’s columns on a Main Thread is also a good one. CL, do you have anything available you’d like to contribute, to get the idea of Main Threads top of mind for Adam? Perhaps an explanation of the Latin Mass and its liturgical significance for those non-Catholics like me who would be interested. With links to some of the great music that has flowed from it. How about putting up the Paul Watson piece as a main thread. We would be doing a good service to spark discussion of it in a wider forum. Is he overstating the case, or is he really notifying Australia as a shocking abuser of human rights?


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  90. m0nty says:

    You also seem to not know the difference between, “srr” & “SSR”.

    SSR is short for USSR, which is your name on the Cat.


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  91. cohenite says:

    I have a very well-develop bullshit detector, candy, and you make the lights swivel and the klaxon blare.

    Bullshit you fat little turd. Anyone who has supported the demorats and opposed the great man Trump is bullshit. Now, go and play in the traffic; if you can find any with your political mates locking down everything a la The Great Reset; or as it should be known as: prince chuck’s great tampon insert.


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  92. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “And what is being centre right going to achieve when we are being lined up against the wall?”

    Centre-right is the bulwark for ordinary normal people against the power of the State. We need to keep that voice.


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  93. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “prince chuck’s great tampon insert.”

    LOL. I’ll pay that one.


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  94. Muddy says:

    Bons says:
    August 3, 2021 at 10:50 am
    ***

    Thanks for that. I liked the Soviet-inspired propaganda posters. If I had resources, I’d get a heap of those printed and post them in public. (They’d also make awesome t-shirts).


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  95. cohenite says:

    Speaking of the demorat filth and that disgusting corpse biden, this about them and Cuba:

    Everyone knows that Biden’s hollow platitudes are utterly meaningless. “The United States stands with…” what, exactly, does that mean? What does “stands with” look like?

    Here is the ugly truth: Biden does not care a damn about the Cuban people throwing off 60+ years of communism. Cubans are holding the largest anti-government rallies in decades. American media coverage has been near zero. Half of Biden’s White House staff probably does not understand what the president means by “repression,” admires Fidel and Raul Castro, and can be found wearing Che Guevara T-shirts on the weekends.

    Cuban President and First Secretary of the Communist Party Miguel Díaz-Canel could order the machine-gunning of every protestor on the streets of Havana and the Biden administration would do nothing. Well, perhaps they might take the “strong action” of two weeks ago and sanction ONE Cuban government official, followed by the “stunning” sanctioning of TWO additional Cuban police officials. Díaz-Canel actually condemned protestors looking for food, calling them “counter-revolutionary mercenaries.”

    Meanwhile, over on Capitol Hill, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the Squad are advocating for programs and policies right out of the Cuban Communist Party’s playbook. They actually want the power outages, rationed medical care and food shortages ordinary Cubans are protesting against. Their militant ideology and policy proposals fit right into the anti-American, Marxist “Critical FILL-IN-THE-BLANK Theory” concepts taught from the Frankfurt School.

    Under the Biden administration, the Cuban people will be ignored by the United States, again, as they have been for 60+ years. It is a horror for America — with brutal, bloody consequences for the innocent people that continue to hold out hope that America will finally help.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17606/betraying-cuban-people


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  96. Terry Pedersen says:

    Glad the Loudhailer, Keeper of the Iron Pyrite Standard, must be getting some comments about the mozzie bite on the left side of her neck. Although it’s been there and badly camouflaged with rouge for a week, she has today tried to hide it behind a high collar.


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