Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. srr says:

    What’s worse?
    Paid Propagandists who lie
    or
    Paid Propagandists who are smarmy arseholes?

    Trick question, Paid Propagandists are smarmy arseholes who lie.


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  2. John Smith101 says:

    Cold-Hands says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:48 am
    Meanwhile in Australia police pepper spray 12 yo children for not wearing masks.
    I can’t make out whether this is in NSW or SA… probably NSW. This is disgusting. To add salt to the wounds, some of the police are not wearing masks.

    Incident posted on Twitter on 12 July and occurred at a shopping mall somewhere in south west Sydney.


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  3. Vicki says:

    Thanks all re Victor Dominello -I have a delay on comments.


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  4. srr says:

    **The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #200**

    https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-200-18-08-21

    Published 18th Aug
    Callum and Josh host Noncewatch: Afghanistan, discuss the tyranny down under, and feminism being destroyed by Taliban and logic.


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  5. egg_ says:

    Can’t think of the term for when someone is experiencing a state of psychosis and becomes aware instantaneously, that they are in a state of psychosis. Regrettably unable to change their course of action as they are invested, over-committed, too far gone to snap out of it.

    ———————————-

    Then reality bites and they look around for someone else to blame.


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  6. mh says:

    Remember her husband is/was a paid ‘advisor’ to Pfizer:

    Queensland faces single-case lockdowns until jab rate jumps
    Until 70 per cent of Queenslanders are vaccinated, the CHO says just one community case of the Delta strain will spark another lockdown, possibly “for months”.


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  7. Baba says:

    Using words like “targetting” “carriers” “super-spreaders” to talk about healthy children.

    They must be stopped.

    Yes.


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  8. egg_ says:

    UK Chief of Defence General Sir Nick Carter yesterday:

    “The Taliban want an Afghanistan that is inclusive for all.”

    —————————–

    Sounds like something out of a Gilbert and Sullivan Musical.

    …………………………………

    The Taliban ain’t the crime, m’Lord
    The Taliban ain’t the crime…


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  9. calli says:

    Vicki, see slackster’s comments at 10:17 and 10:22.

    Now, they might be cunningly photoshopped garbage, or they might just be real. A check on his Twitter account will confirm.


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  10. rosie says:

    You can sense excitement figures?

    No, a few prognosticators here suggested that the Australian larrikin spirit would actively and largely reject getting the vaccine.

    I’m just not seeing it.

    I don’t think pushing under 50s into vaccination is at all necessary but I think a large percentage over 50 are doing it for themselves.

    Also it makes the rumplestiltskins dance.


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  11. twostix says:

    I was in a meeting where avid consumers of media who like to think themselves as somewhat current affairs connoisseurs (read: loyal SMH, The Age, ABC and perhaps The Australian consumers), think everyone at in any age group are at immense risk of dying.

    But questions about the actual death rates in children – which you’d think they’d have a rough idea on, being media addicts, were met with vibish unsure answers of 2, 5, 10%??. Because strangely, despite living and breathing media-porn 24/7, none had any idea what the actual real numbers are. How is this possible? But whatever the numbers are, it was agreed, ‘delta’ was extremely deadly for all and even extremely deadly for children.

    So a screen share of this page caused a highly uncomfortable moment as reality came crashing into the strange dream-like Covid Love session. But was eventually washed away with conspiracy-sounding ‘reasons’ as to why the ABS data – showing essentially 0% CFR for any healthy person under 50, doesn’t match the absolute mess that is going on in their heads: The Plague 2.0.

    We’ve got a real media-driven cult on our hands here.


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  12. incoherent rambler says:

    I for one won’t be using the unisex toilets in Kabul.

    May I suggest that you also dispense with the pink fluffy slippers.


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  13. Vicki says:

    Twostix – I cant believe it is malevolence or a venal regret re their own age & mortality that is impelling the gerontocracy to insist on the vax of children.

    I think it just shows the paucity of intellectual capacity among the ruling mob. Plus a descent into contemptible fear in the face of a global threat.


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  14. mh says:

    NSW Customer Services Minister Victor Dominello has revealed he has Bell’s palsy – a condition that can cause one half of the face to droop.

    Mr Dominello posted on social media after “a number of people commented on my droopy eye” after Wednesday’s COVID-19 press conference where he spoke alongside Premier Gladys Berejiklian.

    “Some people thought I was winking at the cameraman. Some thought I had a stroke.

    “I have actually been diagnosed with Bell’s palsy,” he wrote.

    Earlier this week he felt pain in his skull and on Wednesday he developed pins and needles on the right side of his tongue, but didn’t notice any droopiness around his eye.

    “I only took it more seriously this afternoon – after a number of people sent me a screenshot of the press conference and others contacted my office prompting me to seek urgent medical advice.

    “Thanks to everyone who reached out,” he said.

    His diagnosis was a reminder to everyone to look after their health, even while most people are focused on the COVID-19 crisis, he said.

    Bell’s palsy usually resolves on its own within six months.
    ***
    And just like that the media are not curious about the vaxxx status of MPs.


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  15. Roger says:

    “I believe in targeting school-aged children, in particular high school children, very quickly because we know they contribute to transmission.”

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    This is indeed a sinister development, twostix.

    But it will quickly be tested.

    A certain cohort in SW Sydney is not going to readily submit.


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  16. JC says:

    My son, a medico, had Pfizer, and apart from a headache, which he gets a lot anyway, he was fine. On his recommendation I’ve had my first AZ with no problems. This should not be a lottery. There needs to be a blood clot test and more info about carditis.

    He gets a headache every time the poor kid has to see his dad. And who could blame him!
    Those tests are too expensive, Mergatroid.


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  17. slackster says:

    calli says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:43 am
    Vicki, see slackster’s comments at 10:17 and 10:22.

    Now, they might be cunningly photoshopped garbage, or they might just be real. A check on his Twitter account will confirm.

    =====================
    Try his instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CRsORlVjDdv/?utm_medium=copy_link


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  18. Vicki says:

    Thanks Calli. Got it.


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  19. twostix says:

    Queensland faces single-case lockdowns until jab rate jumps
    Until 70 per cent of Queenslanders are vaccinated, the CHO says just one community case of the Delta strain will spark another lockdown, possibly “for months”.

    Start of August they were completely open that the National Cabinet had ‘agreed’ to a strategy of using lockdowns to drive vaccination to 70%.

    It is the military strategy of Lt Gen Frewen.


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  20. rosie says:

    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.

    The government target should have been 70 percent of over 50s.

    My adult sons aren’t vaccinated nor likely to be . My daughters take a different view.

    I respect all their decisions.

    I’m sorry if any one is unwell, from covid or vaccine.


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  21. egg_ says:

    We’ve got a real media-driven cult on our hands here.

    —————————————

    Do people just give in to non-stop propaganda after 18 months?

    It’s said that’s how Democracies control the lumpen proles.


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  22. egg_ says:

    Start of August they were completely open that the National Cabinet had ‘agreed’ to a strategy of using lockdowns to drive vaccination to 70%.

    It is the military strategy of Lt Gen Frewen.

    ———————————

    Head vax rollout clown.


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  23. srr says:

    “FlyingPigs says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:19 am
    and Mark A

    Rob Hulls was trained by Jesuits and set up a foul judicial system in Victoria.

    The Pope is a Jesuit and shits upon traditional Catholicism.

    The Jesuit Catholic arseholes in the USA are taking money from the Government and facilitating the ingress of border attackers.

    Who’s a Catholic now?”
    ___________________________

    That to is a trick question. With so many Catholics swarming to cover for those who they know to be gutting The Church at every level, so many others blind in their faithfulness to believe the cover stories for the wolves within, devout Catholics calling The Church to repentance and devotion to Catholicism’s worldly powers (even in how She should celebrate the Eucharist), keeping the lambs entangled with the wolves, it seems that now, only God knows His children.


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  24. egg_ says:

    “I believe in targeting school-aged children, in particular high school children, very quickly because we know they contribute to transmission.”

    ———————————-

    This is indeed a sinister development, twostix.

    But it will quickly be tested.

    A certain cohort in SW Sydney is not going to readily submit.

    …………………………………..

    Isn’t a Leb school in Mt Druitt defying lockdowns?

    They know it’s a Globalism plandemic?


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  25. mh says:

    NSW: 1 covid death.
    Man “in his eighties”, had one jab plus underlying health conditions.
    Stop the world!


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  26. srr says:

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:53 am
    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.”
    _________________________

    And that’s why you feel compelled to post every bit of Pro WEF, Globalist Govt. MSM Propaganda calling for the mass Jabbing of everyone?

    Because only a paid mercenary could believe what you’ve posted above and keep pumping out that Pro-Jab Propaganda you do at the vicious rate you do, all over the place.


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  27. Figures says:

    “Looks like Mr Dominello was scheduled for 2nd Az dose this morning.
    ***
    Ok.”

    That was a few weeks ago.

    He has had his second shot and he got Bell’s palsy. It’s possible they aren’t related but they almost certainly are – Occam’s Razor.

    And I’m sure he knows it’s connected too but what is he going to say? His own government believes everybody should get a hundred million of these shots.


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  28. mh says:

    Isn’t a Leb school in Mt Druitt defying lockdowns?
    ***
    Good on them.


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  29. Figures says:

    “PETA CREDLIN”

    Say no more. When you say “we shouldn’t panic about COVID and lock everybody down” you can’t then follow it up by saying “we need to pressure everybody to get vaccinated”. Her writings – even when they are correct – have no discernible effect.

    Right wing people can’t get away with being inconsistent and wishy-washy the way leftists can.


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  30. calli says:

    I respect all their decisions.

    Quite.

    The issue is whether or not the government does. At the moment they’re holding a gun to people’s heads.

    Conversation with a daughter who was hospitalised due to an adverse AZ reaction (possibility of blood clots) –

    Me – why did you get the jab?
    Her – my doctor told me it was a good idea and minimal risk
    Me – are you going to have the second one?
    Her – yes
    Me – why?
    Her – because I can’t handle another lockdown

    Nice nudge. Thanks Government.


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  31. cohenite says:

    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.

    The government target should have been 70 percent of over 50s.

    Half right. Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.

    As I said my son had to have it, and his wife because both are medicos.

    And head prefect my son doesn’t get headaches from me because my daughter-in-law doesn’t get them. Knuckle-head.


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  32. twostix says:

    July 30:

    The Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced a national COVID-19 vaccination target of 70 per cent will be required for Australia to start to ease debilitating pandemic restrictions.

    The whole country needs to reach that target as well as all the states individually.

    August 3:

    Australia could fully vaccinate 80% of its adult population by December under a “vision” outlined by Operation Covid Shield, with the federal government [Lt Gen Fewen] calling for an unprecedented level of collaboration across the country to accelerate the rollout.

    States immediately go into various states of lockdowns and tell us we’re not getting out of these without 70% vaccination rates, which has nothing to do with the political national strategy they all agreed on, but the very best up to the minute Science!(tm).

    We’re in the middle of a military created strategy to get the political class out of this mess. All you have to do is, they say, is do exactly as you are told, no matter what it is.


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  33. cohenite says:

    His own government believes everybody should get a hundred million of these shots.

    STFU you idiot.


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  34. Figures says:

    “Half right. Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.”

    The vaccine doesn’t stop it from being infectious. Not to worry though because it’s not infectious in the first place.


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  35. Kneel says:

    “So a screen share of this page caused…”

    and further down, we see:

    Table 1: Number of deaths due to COVID-19 that had associated conditions
    Reported with other conditions No. %
    Reported alone on certificate 87 12.8
    Reported with causal sequence of events only 99 14.5
    Reported with pre-existing chronic conditions only 229 33.6
    Reported with causal sequence of events and pre-existing chronic conditions 267 39.1

    So 72+% had pre-existing chronic conditions as well.
    Would be nice to see the cross-over – are the younger deaths mostly associated with pre-existing chronic conditions? That would change things very much, should it be true and widely disseminated.
    But even if it is true, will the MSM care? Hardly – no clicks for good news, is there?
    “If it bleeds, it leads”.
    Ghouls.


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  36. Armadillo says:

    What’s really disturbing is that the Taliban are now in control of who walks into Kabul Airport. Think about that.

    How many Taliban fighters are jumping on these planes?

    It would be child’s play for the Taliban to draw up a few “death lists” with their own fighters names inserted amongst genuine ones. Or fabricate some “night letters”. Or get your mates to pretend to bash you up and record it on a mobile phone.

    “Here Mister Immigration Officer, here is my proof my life is in danger. Let me in to America”.

    Remember, the Taliban have seized control of the biometric identification system. It’s something else they might manipulate.

    As a reward for fighting the infidel, we are going to send you on an all expenses paid holiday to the US. We will give you a ring in 5 or 10 years time when we need your services again.


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  37. mem says:

    Here are the latest official figures for death by age bracket for Covid 19 in Australia. Note that the figures commence in early 2020 so you are looking at more than 12 months and data includes the early variant then segues into the Delta variant without any differentiation. ( I have read figures from Britain that indicate that the Delta variant is 2.5 less lethal than the earlier variant and will post a reference on this later today.)
    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics#cases-and-deaths-by-age-and-sex


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  38. srr says:

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:53 am
    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.”
    _________________________

    [me] And that’s why you feel compelled to post every bit of Pro WEF, Globalist Govt. MSM Propaganda calling for the mass Jabbing of everyone?
    _________________________________________

    Yet here YOU ARE, STILL SELLING JABs to ALL Australians (70-80% includes a hell of a lot of Under 50’s), where the Globalist’s Reset Bug couldn’t even come close to the average flu –

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 8:06 am
    Covid over in vaccinated America”


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  39. twostix says:

    Her – my doctor told me it was a good idea and minimal risk

    Ahpra sent out a notice telling doctors telling them they have no reason to say otherwise and they’ll be investigated if they do.

    Young people’s trust in doctors amazes me. I mean, just the total farce that are “bulk billed” clinics should collapse any trust in this system. It’s like the 1950’s Leave it to Beaver Hollywood portrayal of doctors as wise, un-corruptable old men somehow seeped into the brains of Gen-X 40 years later via re-runs and wishful escapism that things could really be like that.

    “The Indian doctor who I’ve seen one time in my life and likely snuck his way into Australian medicine based on lies and fraud, told me in my 3.2 minute high volume ‘consultation’ that vaccines are fine…not sure why he prescribed a dose of branded antibiotics for me too but oh well, off to get the experimental product I go!”.


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  40. rosie says:

    My uncle was a Jesuit but I don’t think he would have been overly keen on Pope Francis, being the conservative Catholic he was.

    And don’t worry being openly accused of being a ‘paid mercenary’ is one of the joys of anarchy cat, you unmitigated loon. I remember you throwing that accusation around at anyone taking a contrary view back in the day.

    What is really sad is that you think people here are completely susceptible to *propaganda* which is why you think they are should only be allowed to view information sources approved by the mighty ussr.


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  41. Eyrie says:

    “Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.”

    cohenite, from where did you get the strange idea that being vaxxed makes you non infectious? The vax is likely to mask the symptoms for long enough and carry a higher viral load so you are more of a danger.


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  42. cohenite says:

    The vaccine doesn’t stop it from being infectious. Not to worry though because it’s not infectious in the first place.

    Half right you drongo. You’re like a sober version of bird.


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  43. Figures says:

    “What is really sad is that you think people here are completely susceptible to *propaganda* which is why you think they are should only be allowed to view information sources approved by the mighty ussr.”

    Hahahahaha!!!

    Think back all the way to 2019 notafan.

    Imagine if someone had told you there would be a virus floating around and we needed to lock down every economy on the planet – something that barely anybody had ever even suggested before let alone implemented – to stop perfectly healthy people walking around or seeing each other.

    You would have thought they were completely insane.

    They would have been completely insane.

    But by March your thinking was “that sounds like a good idea”.

    No fact changed – we had had plenty of supposed virus outbreaks before that. No laws of logic changed.

    The only thing that changed was the outright hysteria that had enveloped the earth.

    All you have to do to realise how brainwashed you are is ask yourself this notafan:

    When the ebola or SARS outbreak or H1N1 outbreaks occurred [or we were told they occurred] did it ever once occur to you that we should lock down billions of healthy people?

    If the answer is “no” – and it is – then you are brainwashed.


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  44. cohenite says:

    cohenite, from where did you get the strange idea that being vaxxed makes you non infectious?

    I’ve already been corrected by bird’s alter ego; I can only explain this terrible error because head prefect was taunting me.


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  45. Roger says:

    Young people’s trust in doctors amazes me.

    ———————-

    Belief in science has displaced belief in God.


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  46. calli says:

    That conversation with my daughter took place in the last half hour. She was admitted to hospital with fears that she had developed the “rare” AZ blood clots.

    Turned out to be “reactive arthritis”, exactly the same symptoms that my poor father with all his other medical conditions, had diagnosed as “gout”. She was in so much pain that she had to be hospitalised.

    Blackmailed by her jailer in the hope of getting a “ticket of leave” for good behaviour.


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  47. Figures says:

    “Half right you drongo. You’re like a sober version of bird.”

    I don’t believe what people say I believe how people act.

    If you’ve visited a doctor at any point in your life, then that means that you don’t believe in contagious disease.

    Of course, if you voluntarily get a vaccine then that means that you *must* believe in contagious disease.

    Which proves that you are a victim of extreme cognitive dissonance.


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  48. Roger says:

    Somewhere on our journey of cultural decline science went from being a quest for knowledge to an unquestionable authority.

    The young people who place such trust in doctors also accept AGW as an unquestionable truth. They are probably the most propagandised generation in modern Western history and also poorly equipped with critical thinking skills thanks to 12 or mor eyears of miseducation.


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  49. twostix says:

    Gotta say Sydney ethnics are really shining in this whole nightmare. Well on the road to becoming more australian than half of australians.

    Notwithstanding the content of the video, I mean it literally is perfect – a gang of morbidly obese cops standing over a healthy couple of old people sitting at the water’s edge, the cameraman’s antics are perfect. That’s the australian ‘larrikin’ spirit that the bugman class goes on and on and on about (but brutally punishes and stamps out of any australian who is actually one).


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  50. Dot says:

    This Jesuit bashing reeks of know nothing sectarianism.

    If you know what the Jesuits are and why they were founded, you would understand their mission.

    They’re totally licit. Most people never run into them and the idea they can act unlike any other religious order is wrong.

    “DA SECOND POPE!!!”

    No.

    Shut up.


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  51. Franx says:

    Calli
    Trust all works out well for the daughter.
    Bad enough that we cannot trust those in (often usurped) authority; that we are beginning to be wary of trusting each other; but we are also being tricked into not trusting our own selves, our own reason our own bodies.
    Won’t do.


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  52. srr says:

    Talk about tone deaf – Rosie/Notafan keeps Name Dropping in an effort to SELL JABS and still expects people to gratefully buy her sales pitches as if they’re simply the good will advice of a trusted (and much smarter than they), friend.

    Pell
    Trump
    Nick- Super-Talented-But-Way-Out-There-Cave …

    Who are you selling to, Rosie/Notafan?

    Pell, Trump, Pell, Trump, Pell, Trump & now Cave … who were the others? I’m sure there must have been others I missed, but I digress; you seem to be trying to convert people of a particular ‘taste’, into Pro-Jab Salesmen … a particularly peculiar ‘taste’, that you fail to understand.
    Me for instance; I take to people like Pell, Trump & Cave because of what they DON’T say.
    I find them all to be men who fully understand that you can’t trust those who fall for propaganda, even when they themselves put it out there; especially when they themselves put it out there.
    After all, this is a very long war. Only eternity is longer. There is time to shake, sieve & sort the faithful soldiers from the bloody chancers.


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  53. Boambee John says:

    Terry Pedersen says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:26 am
    Well Rosie, I have just prayed for the first time in quite a while. I prayed for my treasured 18 year old grandson who has just been vaccinated (his choice) with AstraZeneca and is very, very ill.

    Terrible news. Has he got CVST?

    Impacted wisdom teeth.

    Fvck off @rseh0le, you have gone beyond Tedious to being the Repulsive one.


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  54. candy says:

    That’s the trouble with the COVID injections, they seem a bad lottery.

    That Victor D. chap looks youngish, fit and healthy. I remember reading Bell’s palsy was reported early on as a reaction to the injection some weeks later, by the Pfizer company I think. Good chance that’s what he’s got.

    It does not seem like a flu vaccine where you walk in completely confident about an excellent vaccine and no worries.


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  55. Ragu says:

    “reactive arthritis”

    Phew. Good thing they didn’t try and pass it off as idiopathic.


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  56. mh says:

    Armadillo says:
    August 19, 2021 at 11:20 am
    What’s really disturbing is that the Taliban are now in control of who walks into Kabul Airport. Think about that.

    How many Taliban fighters are jumping on these planes?
    ***
    Who needs the Taliban when you have TaliDan.


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  57. calli says:

    They are probably the most propagandised generation in modern Western history and also poorly equipped with critical thinking skills thanks to 12 or mor eyears of miseducation.

    I have to agree.

    The girl (chuckle, no late 30s) has had a first class education, and a dynamic family life full of debate and questioning everything, and…trained in critical thinking at tertiary level yet has found herself tumbling to blackmail.

    Because that’s all it is.

    Do the right thing and we’ll set you free.

    She is sixth generation away from two who came here in chains. They were at the mercy of the Rum Corps too. At least they were paying for actual crimes.


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  58. srr says:

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 9:17 am
    I didn’t post the Cave article because I thought he was a quotable medical expert.

    And I didn’t see anything he said where he made any claim to be one.

    No he’s just a normal person being grateful for a medication he sees as reducing his risk of dying.

    The links to vaccination rates in Germany and the US highlight how hopelessly nannystatified Australia is

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/56 percent and life is mostly normal ”
    [Our apologies.
    We’re unable to find the
    page you’re looking for.
    404. Page Not Found]
    _________________________________

    So hang on, are you saying Aussies are “Nanny-state-ified” because we are NOT rushing to take The States JABS like Germany & the US?

    Give. It. Up.


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  59. rosie says:

    I’m with you Cohenite.

    I’m sure President Trump will be heartbroken to hear ussr has announced to the general public.

    ‘Your (sic) dropped’

    Poor old rumplesrrskin


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  60. Mater says:

    Notwithstanding the content of the video, I mean it literally is perfect – a gang of morbidly obese cops standing over a healthy couple of old people sitting at the water’s edge, the cameraman’s antics are perfect.

    I understand that whilst exercising the cameraman probably didn’t need to wear a mask, but I do hope he was wearing safety glasses.
    Anyone of the Policewoman’s shirt buttons could have easily taken his eye out.


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  61. Cassie of Sydney says:

    Calli…I hope your daughter is okay.


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  62. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Turned out to be “reactive arthritis”

    Yeah, there’s been a lot of that out of the covid vaccines. I saw a study saying 11% of people with rheumatoid arthritis had reactions on being given the vax:

    Just 11% of adults with these diseases, which are autoimmune disorders caused by the immune system attacking healthy tissue in error, reported flares in symptoms that required treatment after vaccination, the data showed.

    Collectively, these diseases affect about half of adults in the United States and 75% of those age 65 years and older, based on recent estimates.

    During disease flares, people with these diseases typically experience severe joint pain, fatigue and, in some cases, skin rashes, the WHO says.

    Cute wording. Eleven percent of half the population is a lot of people, especially when this is only of people who “required treatment”. Many more would have suffered but either not sought expensive treatment (it’s a US study) or not reported it as an effect of the vaccine.

    Arthritis, lupus flares rare after COVID-19 vaccination, study finds (4 Aug)

    Maybe I should’ve linked it at the time, but Cat-constellation issues were a bit irritating and I fortunately don’t have those autoimmune problems.


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  63. rosie says:

    Have you always been this dumb?

    No I’m saying they ‘opened up’ long before any 70 percent mandate.

    But then I don’t think any US state had stay at home orders past June 2020.

    Australia and New Zealand are pretty unique.


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  64. min says:

    After listening and reading to the anxiety provoking daily information re covid we are bombarded with daily , I am about to write something about anxiety and how ,because of genetic factors , a good percentage maybe 40% some are more vulnerable to the stresses and suffer anxiety disorders. Depression can also be a complication resulting from anxiety.
    Mental issues will not be gone when the endemic peters out and I cannot understand that the consequences of focussing only on one aspect of this virus’ impact would pass a proper cost benefit analysis .


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  65. Top Ender says:

    Bob in the Oz displays his lack of knowledge regarding physics, geography, economics, and psychology – all at the same time.

    Electric cars to be here faster than we expect

    ROBERT GOTTLIEBSEN

    The US has learned once again that when it engages in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan-style wars it loses. But don’t write off the US because we are about to see its strength in action. When the US decides to mobilise its industrial base there are few countries in the world that can match it.

    So it’s not surprising that after a slow start the US thrust towards electric vehicles is nothing short of staggering.

    The piston engine, along with the old lead acid-style battery which have dominated global transportation since Henry Ford’s “Model T” was launched in 1908, are on the way out. The major motor makers led by Ford, GM and Stellantis (Chrysler, Fiat, Peugeot) plan to achieve half their sales volumes via electric vehicles by 2030. And that’s just the start.

    To replace petrol (Americans call it ‘gas’) will require enormous investment in power generation, usually by renewable energy facilities, new power grids and a new distribution system as new battery chargers appear in shopping centres and convenience stores.

    Americans will shop or dine while charging. Homes with garages will require charging stations and the second car may be the home battery storage that takes in solar panel power generated during the day. And all those US trends are going to be duplicated in Australia, China, Europe and around the world. We are looking at an industry transformation of huge magnitude.

    You will remember that I explained yesterday that in 2019 BHP set up four US / world decarbonising scenarios, with “scenario one” the biggest change, resulting in a substantial rise in demand for steel, copper, nickel and other minerals. BHP’s “scenario one” has been embraced by the US and that contributed to BHP’s decision to shed its oil and gas assets and concentrate on maximising participation in the change.

    The US has been slow to start and at the moment China and Europe are way ahead, but that will change.

    According to the International Energy Agency the US last year had only about 17 per cent of the world’s total stock of 10.2 million electric vehicles. China has 44 per cent of all the EVs in the world (more than 4.5 million), and Europe at 3.2 million represents about 31 per cent. In Europe, Daimler’s plans that its Mercedes-Benz brand will go all-electric at the end of the decade “where market conditions allow”. Even more importantly, from 2025, all of Mercedes-Benz’s “newly-launched vehicle architectures will be electric-only”. If it is not designing petrol-driven cars it will not be making them.

    In the US President Biden’s “Build Back Better Plan” includes purchase incentives, help in develop a comprehensive charging network, investments in research and development, and incentives to expand the electric vehicle manufacturing and supply chains in the United States.

    Had electrification been delayed there may have been an opportunity for other technologies like hydrogen cars to drive decarbonisation. But the motor companies have made the decision and there will be no going back. Roads are set to be a lot less noisy because once cars go electric trucks will not be allowed to have their current exhaust and noise levels.

    But there is a separate and even more revolutionary development in the US and elsewhere —the self-driving car. Uber in its investor briefings makes no secret of the fact that its long-term objective is to use its brand and market share to embrace driverless vehicles. They will reduce the taxis’ market share and make an impact on public transport.

    If low-cost driverless Ubers become prevalent it will also reduce car ownership for those unable to charge vehicles at their residence. They will simply order a driverless Uber from their home. At this stage there are a lot of obstacles but the driverless car research is gathering intensity.

    Here in Australia we no longer make cars so as world motor makers switch to electric vehicles that require charging, so exactly the same sort of revolution will take place Down Under.

    Accordingly we will require a big increase in power generation. Just how this increase should be achieved and the backup required for renewable generation is a huge debate in Australia, with the states tending to have a different view to the Commonwealth.

    We will need to sort it out because whether we like it or not the transportation revolution around the world will have Australians driving electric cars much faster than they currently anticipate.

    Advocates of wind turbines say that the way turbines are now spread around different Australian regions is substantially reducing the need for an enormous back-up when the wind does not blow. It’s highly unlikely all wind generators will cease generating at the same time. There is also work taking place to increase the productivity of solar generation.

    Many Australian families will link the battery storage in their cars to their solar panels. But power networks will offer those with electric car battery storage cut price deals to be able to use those batteries for network storage.

    Like so many other areas power generation is going to be about data bases and networks. That’s why Telstra is looking to enter the arena and the Commonwealth Bank names it as a possible extension if its services.

    But in any revolution like this one there will be endless surprises.


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  66. Gab says:

    ”The Sydney Water Incident: July-September 1998 – NSW Health”

    One of the top executives of Sydney Water was a close family friend. Back in the late 80s he insisted his family never drink water from the tap but to boil it first. He was very concerned about the lack of quality of Sydney water.


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  67. calli says:

    Thanks Cassie. The rest of the family has been able to access Pfizer because of a combination of string pulling and front line status. This little lamb, however, missed out. She wouldn’t have queue jumped anyway.


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  68. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Calli – I don’t think Pfizer would be much different since the study I just linked was from the US, where they don’t use AZ as far as I know.


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  69. a reader says:

    Bruce, that article refers to both Pfizer and Moderna


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  70. Roger says:

    Many Australian families will link the battery storage in their cars to their solar panels.

    —————————

    Many more Australian families will be driving their clapped out ICE vehicles for the foreseeable future. Expect state governmment crackdowns on “roadworthinesss” to follow. The serfs will learn to know their place.


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  71. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “Afghanistan cash crisis hits new Taliban rulers

    Jacquelin Magnay
    Europe Correspondent
    @jacquelinmagnay
    2 hours ago August 19, 2021
    54 Comments

    The Taliban will have access to only a tiny fraction of the wealth of Afghanistan and “close to zero cash” the governor of the Afghanistan central bank Da Afghanistan Bank (DAB) and presidential economic advisor says.

    Ajmal Ahmady, who fled the country on Sunday, said that the Taliban has been asking remaining bank staff about the location of assets, perhaps unaware that most of it was out of reach.

    He revealed in a series of tweets that Afghanistan has $US9 billion of liquid assets and has explained the last few days of financial upheaval before the Taliban took control.

    “But this does not mean that DAB (Afghanistan Bank) held $9bn physically in our vault,’’ he said.

    “As per international standards, most assets are held in safe, liquid assets such as Treasuries and gold.’’


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  72. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Reader – Yes but not Pfizer and AZ, and Calli was talking the relativity of those two.

    So logically if AZ caused the arthritis flare, and the US patient study says Pfizer or Moderna can do that to the same cohort of people, then it is reasonable to think Pfizer isn’t necessarily going to be better than AZ. But individual responses vary, so it might.


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  73. Indolent says:

    I agree with everything you say, Twostix, but this bit particularly gets my goat –

    *** “Hospitalisation is uncommon in this age group so we’re talking about vaccinating to prevent transmission,” she said. ***

    They’re lying even about that, because (and even according to them) vaccination does NOT prevent transmission. Beyond belief.


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  74. rickw says:

    What shit things are happening in the Penal Colony today?


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  75. rickw says:

    So logically if AZ caused the arthritis flare, and the US patient study says Pfizer or Moderna can do that to the same cohort of people, then it is reasonable to think Pfizer isn’t necessarily going to be better than AZ. But individual responses vary, so it might.

    Up country chiropractor reported that after not having seen most clients for 6 months. All the older ones returned jabbed and with arthritis.


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  76. mh says:

    Real Mark Latham
    @RealMarkLatham
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    17h
    Remember when the Left couldn’t stop saying that Trump represented a new ‘age of authoritarianism’?
    Have they looked at our State Premiers and opinionated commentariat lately?
    They make Trump look like Milton Friedman.
    ***
    They’ve spent 5 decades bagging Joh Bjelke-Petersen, too.


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  77. ikamatua says:

    Morning, yobs.


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  78. srr says:

    Rosie/Notafan –
    First – when I make a general observation, if you believe it fits you, fine, wear it, but please stop your bitching that I lay out jackboots that fit you.
    You could just shut up.
    After all you like to be known as amongst those who care diddly squat for what I post, so act like it.

    Second – please stop shoving your perfectly fitting jackboots on everyone else in order to demand that they come and help you with your headkicking of those who warn that the Stasi is not dead, it just got more members, better toys & open borders.

    I’m quite sure many of those you try to smear with the shit you choose to roll in, are not at all like you.


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  79. rickw says:

    Conversation with a daughter who was hospitalised due to an adverse AZ reaction (possibility of blood clots) –

    Me – why did you get the jab?
    Her – my doctor told me it was a good idea and minimal risk
    Me – are you going to have the second one?
    Her – yes
    Me – why?
    Her – because I can’t handle another lockdown

    Nice nudge. Thanks Government.

    Same with young engineer at work, was bloody crook after first jab, his who rationale for getting vaccinated is to make lockdowns end and restore normality. Which of course isn’t going to happen, we are facing a political problem not a virus problem.


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  80. srr says:

    “mh says:
    August 19, 2021 at 9:32 am
    PJW

    The World Economic Forum’s Totally Not Creepy New Idea

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_nu7F2weBw
    ___________________________________________

    It’s OK, we’ve plenty who work night & day to sooth us into not believing the next horror story, even as we discover it’s an old horror reality and almost innocent compared to what’s to come.

    After all, remember our new Bio-Metric Passports that made it, “so much quicker & easier for us to travel overseas”, and how, “In Australia my voice identifies me,”
    19 Aug 2015 — “In Australia my voice identifies me,” Tax Office wants your ‘voiceprint’ to access services … “?

    Now how have those KNOWN High Tec ID Apps made life bad for honest, law abiding Aussies … besides that little thing about all those new & retrospective ‘laws’?
    Add drones, Track & Tracing phones and gee, already there wouldn’t be a weak spot that our overlords wouldn’t be able to locate & push … if we were to stray outside our allotted ‘freedoms’ … and then there are the natural born shit brown shirts, who live for ruining lives for the fun of it, who like those who endorse them, do come crashing down, eventually for the last time, never to get up again.


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  81. mh says:

    ‘PPE senator’s Covid ‘juggle’ after daughter tests positive
    Labor Senator Katy Gallagher has resorted to wearing full PPE at home after her teen daughter caught Covid’

    lol


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  82. srr says:

    “Running the AUS Numbers
    Foxgrams posted the current numbers from Australia and asked for analysis:

    25,687,041 Total population of Australia as of 30th June, 2020

    COVID & VACCINE STATS AS OF AUGUST 18th FROM GOVERNMENT SOURCES:

    40,774 total Covid cases
    970 total Covid deaths

    10,195,842 individuals with at least one dose of vaccine.

    ADVERSE REACTION REPORTING AS OF AUGUST 4th

    28,487 Astrazeneca Adverse Reactions
    254 Astrazeneca Deaths
    16,816 Comirnaty Adverse Reactions
    166 Comirnaty Deaths

    The first thing that leaps out is 420 reported vaccine deaths compared to 970 total Covid deaths. Even if we leave out the assumption that adverse reactions are under-reported, assume that all of the Covid deaths are actually OF Covid rather than WITH Covid and are of the unvaccinated, and ignore the natural mutation of the virus to more contagious, less lethal variants, the relative risk factors make it clear that it is riskier for the average Australian to become a vaccine recipient than to remain unvaccinated.

    Chance of unvaccinated individual contracting and dying of Covid = one in 26,481
    Chance of vaccinated individual dying of an adverse vaccine reaction = one in 24,275
    So, even in the most favorable possible case for the vaccines, the average individual’s risk of death is essentially the same. And once you begin factoring in comorbidities, age, the decreased lethality of the Delta variant, the number of vaccinated deaths, the possibility that the patient died of something else while Covid-positive, and the mounting evidence that the ADE scenario is in effect, it is clear that the vaccines pose a greater threat to human life than does the virus.

    Now, to consider the non-lethal aspects of the situation.

    Chance of unvaccinated individual contracting Covid = one in 630
    Chance of vaccinated individual experiencing an adverse reaction = one in 225
    Ergo, the chance of experiencing an adverse reaction to the vaccine is nearly 3x greater than the chance of catching Covid. Since the chance of dying of the vaccine is at least as good as the chance of dying of the disease, it makes absolutely no sense for the average individual to get vaccinated even before we have a good idea of what the negative long term effects of the vaccines are. And since Covid is less harmful to the young while the vaccines are more harmful to them, it is completely unconscionable, and should be illegal, to advocate or administer Covid vaccines to young adults and children.”

    H/T Nilk at Nilk’s Cat


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  83. srr says:

    “ikamatua says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:02 pm
    Morning, yobs.”
    _____________________

    I’d say, “That would be, ‘Afternoon yobs.”, but what do yobs know about timekeeping. 🙂 😉


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  84. cohenite says:

    If you’ve visited a doctor at any point in your life, then that means that you don’t believe in contagious disease.

    Right, so when I broke an arm tackling a pacific islander and went to the doc to have it treated that means I’m anti-vax.

    Of course, if you voluntarily get a vaccine then that means that you *must* believe in contagious disease.

    Certainly the contagious disease you’re getting the vax for: Pertussis, Hepatitus, Tetanus, Rubella, Polio, Varicella, Mumps, Diphtheria,

    Which proves that you are a victim of extreme cognitive dissonance.

    No, it means you’re an anti-vaxxer fuckwit who is using the legitimate concern about the chunk virus vaccines to peddle your general anti-vax bullshit.


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  85. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Calli, I haven’t read back yet – have been out this morning- but did see your advice up thread – thanks for that. I think I may just stick with grass with some small bushes and a teddy bear. Thank you!


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  86. Steve trickler says:

    The list of people that needs to meet a guillotine, grows daily.


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  87. Terry Pedersen says:

    “reactive arthritis”

    Not a side effect of COVID or any of the vaccines. Usual cause is an underlying infection, often a UTI.


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  88. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Surf’s up again today – some great rides out there! A few clouds about but still quite mild. Hopefully soon the water temp will improve.


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  89. Terry Pedersen says:

    “reactive arthritis”

    Not a side effect of COVID or any of the vaccines. Usual cause is an underlying infection, often a UTI.


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  90. Lizzie of Sydney says:

    “those who hate the site and who are never coming back”

    That’s an exaggeration and a mis-statement. Many people, as I have, have simply decided to move between sites to see what’s going on in all of them. My preference is for Dover’s site, but that doesn’t exlude others.


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  91. cohenite says:

    George Christensen:

    I’m guilty of going against The Science: a defence of my condemned, censored ‘dangerous’ speech to parliament
    George Christensen
    Politicians condemned me. Big Tech censored me. The mainstream media said my views were a danger to public health.
    Why? Because I spoke out against The ScienceTM in the Federal Parliament.
    What exactly is The ScienceTM?
    The ScienceTM is the prevailing orthodoxy in Australia on how to handle this pandemic and I have to tell you that it is wrong. Very wrong.
    I went against The ScienceTM when I asked parliament how many freedoms we would lose due to fear of a virus which has a survivability rate of 997 out of 1000.
    Where did that figure come from? Certainly not from The ScienceTM.
    Actually, it came from an official World Health Organisation Bulletin which published a paper by epidemiology expert Dr John Ioannidis entitled “Infection fatality rate of COVID-19 inferred from seroprevalence data”.
    That paper surveyed data across 51 countries and found that the “median infection fatality rate across all 51 locations was 0.27%”. In other words, on average, 99.73 per cent of people who contracted Covid-19 across the 51 countries that Dr Ioannidis surveyed survived the virus.
    That is why I spoke against The ScienceTM and told parliament that it’s time we stopped spreading fear.
    I also said we should acknowledge some of the facts, including the ineffectiveness of masks and lockdowns in stopping the spread of COVID-19.
    Hey, what? That’s not keeping in accord with The ScienceTM.
    And yet, the Commonwealth Department of Health’s Infection Control Expert Group says evidence around the efficacy of cloth masks is “limited, indirect, experimental” which is probably why one of their recommendations is that “when there is absent or localised COVID-19 transmission, the general use of masks in the community is not recommended.”
    Most of the research touted about around masks and COVID-19 is based on observational studies and not randomised control trial — RCT — studies that are considered the gold standard in science. I’m not sure where the RCTs fit in the quality control methods deployed by The ScienceTM though.
    As far as I am aware, no significant RCTs have been done regarding mask efficacy in regards to Covid-19 apart from the Danish study “Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers” which was widely criticised by The ScienceTM for downplaying the effectiveness of masks in stopping the spread of COVID-19.
    However, there have been many RCT studies over the years that have looked at the effectiveness of masks in controlling other viruses such as influenza. They have produced similar conclusions to the panned Danish study, as you can see from these actual quotes from but five peer-reviewed RCT studies on masks that don’t seem line up with The ScienceTMat all:
    “We did not identify any trend in the results suggesting effectiveness of facemasks.”
    “Influenza transmission was not reduced by interventions to promote hand washing and face mask use.”
    “Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds.”
    “Laboratory results did not show any difference between the two groups (mask wearing and non-mask wearing).”
    “The rates of all infection outcomes were highest in the cloth mask arm… the results caution against the use of cloth masks.”
    But hey, who cares about all of these peer-reviewed RCT studies? Let’s not question The ScienceTM.
    Challenging another bit of pandemic orthodoxy and The ScienceTM are two studies that show lockdowns don’t work.
    The peer-reviewed study “Assessing Mandatory Stay-at-Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID-19” was a survey of the effectiveness of lockdowns – which they called non-pharmaceutical interventions or NPIs – across 10 countries, from which researchers concluded that “we do not find significant benefits on case growth of more restrictive NPIs. Similar reductions in case growth may be achievable with less restrictive interventions.”
    Another study by Dr Ari Joffe of the University of Alberta’s Health Ethics Centre resulted in the paper “COVID-19: Rethinking the Lockdown Groupthink” which carries a title that is downright offensive to The ScienceTM.
    Dr Joffe concluded that “lockdowns cause severe adverse effects for many millions of people, disproportionately for those already disadvantaged among us. The collateral damage included severe losses to current and future wellbeing from unemployment, poverty, food insecurity, interrupted preventive, diagnostic, and therapeutic healthcare, interrupted education, loneliness and deterioration of mental health, and intimate partner violence.”
    From the conclusions of these two studies, you could say that lockdowns don’t destroy the virus, but they do destroy people’s livelihoods and people’s lives. In fact, that’s exactly what I told parliament.
    The final transgression against The ScienceTM in my parliamentary speech was to suggest that Covid-19 is going to be with us forever and that we will have to live with it, not in constant fear of it.
    When Labor’s Anthony Albanese rose in parliament to condemn me for my remarks, he responded to that particular part of my speech with a retort that seems well-informed by The ScienceTM: “I’m scared and Australians are scared of COVID. There is fear because they’re fearful of something that’s scary.”
    The very next day, one of the developers of the AstraZeneca vaccine, Dr Andrew Pollard advised a UK parliamentary committee that “Herd immunity (from the Delta variant of Covid-19) is not a possibility because it still infects vaccinated people.”
    The esteemed Oxford University immunology expert also said the approach to Covid-19 needed to “shift from the epidemic to the endemic” or “living with Covid.”
    I don’t know where Sir Andrew Pollard, a lowly member of the World Health Organisation Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization, gets off saying such things which go against The ScienceTM. I mean, doesn’t he realise that people are scared and in fear because they’re fearful of something that’s scary?
    But back to my offending speech… I ended it off by telling the Federal Parliament that we should open society back up, restore freedom and end the madness.
    What madness? The ScienceTM of course.
    George Christensen is the LNP Member for Dawson.


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  92. woolfe says:

    Follow Aussie Cossacks on youtube while you still can.

    Will probably have to move to Rumble or Odysee when he gets banned, as he will be.


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  93. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Haha, sounds like the name of a comic book vampire.

    AstraZeneca to change vaccine name to ‘Vaxzevria’ in Australia (19 Aug)

    Maybe it should be taken with garlic, just in case.


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  94. Rex Anger says:

    Haha, sounds like the name of a comic book vampire.

    AstraZeneca to change vaccine name to ‘Vaxzevria’ in Australia (19 Aug)

    Vaxveria to fight Nosferaflu.

    Perfect Hollywood logic… 😉


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  95. cohenite says:

    AstraZeneca to change vaccine name to ‘Vaxzevria’ in Australia (19 Aug)

    Vaxveria to fight Nosferaflu.

    I’ll be ready:

    Vaxveria to fight Nosferaflu.


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