Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. srr says:

    What’s worse?
    Paid Propagandists who lie
    or
    Paid Propagandists who are smarmy arseholes?

    Trick question, Paid Propagandists are smarmy arseholes who lie.


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  2. John Smith101 says:

    Cold-Hands says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:48 am
    Meanwhile in Australia police pepper spray 12 yo children for not wearing masks.
    I can’t make out whether this is in NSW or SA… probably NSW. This is disgusting. To add salt to the wounds, some of the police are not wearing masks.

    Incident posted on Twitter on 12 July and occurred at a shopping mall somewhere in south west Sydney.


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  3. Vicki says:

    Thanks all re Victor Dominello -I have a delay on comments.


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  4. srr says:

    **The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters #200**

    https://www.lotuseaters.com/the-podcast-of-the-lotus-eaters-200-18-08-21

    Published 18th Aug
    Callum and Josh host Noncewatch: Afghanistan, discuss the tyranny down under, and feminism being destroyed by Taliban and logic.


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  5. egg_ says:

    Can’t think of the term for when someone is experiencing a state of psychosis and becomes aware instantaneously, that they are in a state of psychosis. Regrettably unable to change their course of action as they are invested, over-committed, too far gone to snap out of it.

    ———————————-

    Then reality bites and they look around for someone else to blame.


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  6. mh says:

    Remember her husband is/was a paid ‘advisor’ to Pfizer:

    Queensland faces single-case lockdowns until jab rate jumps
    Until 70 per cent of Queenslanders are vaccinated, the CHO says just one community case of the Delta strain will spark another lockdown, possibly “for months”.


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  7. Baba says:

    Using words like “targetting” “carriers” “super-spreaders” to talk about healthy children.

    They must be stopped.

    Yes.


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  8. egg_ says:

    UK Chief of Defence General Sir Nick Carter yesterday:

    “The Taliban want an Afghanistan that is inclusive for all.”

    —————————–

    Sounds like something out of a Gilbert and Sullivan Musical.

    …………………………………

    The Taliban ain’t the crime, m’Lord
    The Taliban ain’t the crime…


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  9. calli says:

    Vicki, see slackster’s comments at 10:17 and 10:22.

    Now, they might be cunningly photoshopped garbage, or they might just be real. A check on his Twitter account will confirm.


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  10. rosie says:

    You can sense excitement figures?

    No, a few prognosticators here suggested that the Australian larrikin spirit would actively and largely reject getting the vaccine.

    I’m just not seeing it.

    I don’t think pushing under 50s into vaccination is at all necessary but I think a large percentage over 50 are doing it for themselves.

    Also it makes the rumplestiltskins dance.


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  11. twostix says:

    I was in a meeting where avid consumers of media who like to think themselves as somewhat current affairs connoisseurs (read: loyal SMH, The Age, ABC and perhaps The Australian consumers), think everyone at in any age group are at immense risk of dying.

    But questions about the actual death rates in children – which you’d think they’d have a rough idea on, being media addicts, were met with vibish unsure answers of 2, 5, 10%??. Because strangely, despite living and breathing media-porn 24/7, none had any idea what the actual real numbers are. How is this possible? But whatever the numbers are, it was agreed, ‘delta’ was extremely deadly for all and even extremely deadly for children.

    So a screen share of this page caused a highly uncomfortable moment as reality came crashing into the strange dream-like Covid Love session. But was eventually washed away with conspiracy-sounding ‘reasons’ as to why the ABS data – showing essentially 0% CFR for any healthy person under 50, doesn’t match the absolute mess that is going on in their heads: The Plague 2.0.

    We’ve got a real media-driven cult on our hands here.


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  12. incoherent rambler says:

    I for one won’t be using the unisex toilets in Kabul.

    May I suggest that you also dispense with the pink fluffy slippers.


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  13. Vicki says:

    Twostix – I cant believe it is malevolence or a venal regret re their own age & mortality that is impelling the gerontocracy to insist on the vax of children.

    I think it just shows the paucity of intellectual capacity among the ruling mob. Plus a descent into contemptible fear in the face of a global threat.


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  14. mh says:

    NSW Customer Services Minister Victor Dominello has revealed he has Bell’s palsy – a condition that can cause one half of the face to droop.

    Mr Dominello posted on social media after “a number of people commented on my droopy eye” after Wednesday’s COVID-19 press conference where he spoke alongside Premier Gladys Berejiklian.

    “Some people thought I was winking at the cameraman. Some thought I had a stroke.

    “I have actually been diagnosed with Bell’s palsy,” he wrote.

    Earlier this week he felt pain in his skull and on Wednesday he developed pins and needles on the right side of his tongue, but didn’t notice any droopiness around his eye.

    “I only took it more seriously this afternoon – after a number of people sent me a screenshot of the press conference and others contacted my office prompting me to seek urgent medical advice.

    “Thanks to everyone who reached out,” he said.

    His diagnosis was a reminder to everyone to look after their health, even while most people are focused on the COVID-19 crisis, he said.

    Bell’s palsy usually resolves on its own within six months.
    ***
    And just like that the media are not curious about the vaxxx status of MPs.


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  15. Roger says:

    “I believe in targeting school-aged children, in particular high school children, very quickly because we know they contribute to transmission.”

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    This is indeed a sinister development, twostix.

    But it will quickly be tested.

    A certain cohort in SW Sydney is not going to readily submit.


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  16. JC says:

    My son, a medico, had Pfizer, and apart from a headache, which he gets a lot anyway, he was fine. On his recommendation I’ve had my first AZ with no problems. This should not be a lottery. There needs to be a blood clot test and more info about carditis.

    He gets a headache every time the poor kid has to see his dad. And who could blame him!
    Those tests are too expensive, Mergatroid.


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  17. slackster says:

    calli says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:43 am
    Vicki, see slackster’s comments at 10:17 and 10:22.

    Now, they might be cunningly photoshopped garbage, or they might just be real. A check on his Twitter account will confirm.

    =====================
    Try his instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/p/CRsORlVjDdv/?utm_medium=copy_link


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  18. Vicki says:

    Thanks Calli. Got it.


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  19. twostix says:

    Queensland faces single-case lockdowns until jab rate jumps
    Until 70 per cent of Queenslanders are vaccinated, the CHO says just one community case of the Delta strain will spark another lockdown, possibly “for months”.

    Start of August they were completely open that the National Cabinet had ‘agreed’ to a strategy of using lockdowns to drive vaccination to 70%.

    It is the military strategy of Lt Gen Frewen.


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  20. rosie says:

    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.

    The government target should have been 70 percent of over 50s.

    My adult sons aren’t vaccinated nor likely to be . My daughters take a different view.

    I respect all their decisions.

    I’m sorry if any one is unwell, from covid or vaccine.


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  21. egg_ says:

    We’ve got a real media-driven cult on our hands here.

    —————————————

    Do people just give in to non-stop propaganda after 18 months?

    It’s said that’s how Democracies control the lumpen proles.


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  22. egg_ says:

    Start of August they were completely open that the National Cabinet had ‘agreed’ to a strategy of using lockdowns to drive vaccination to 70%.

    It is the military strategy of Lt Gen Frewen.

    ———————————

    Head vax rollout clown.


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  23. srr says:

    “FlyingPigs says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:19 am
    and Mark A

    Rob Hulls was trained by Jesuits and set up a foul judicial system in Victoria.

    The Pope is a Jesuit and shits upon traditional Catholicism.

    The Jesuit Catholic arseholes in the USA are taking money from the Government and facilitating the ingress of border attackers.

    Who’s a Catholic now?”
    ___________________________

    That to is a trick question. With so many Catholics swarming to cover for those who they know to be gutting The Church at every level, so many others blind in their faithfulness to believe the cover stories for the wolves within, devout Catholics calling The Church to repentance and devotion to Catholicism’s worldly powers (even in how She should celebrate the Eucharist), keeping the lambs entangled with the wolves, it seems that now, only God knows His children.


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  24. egg_ says:

    “I believe in targeting school-aged children, in particular high school children, very quickly because we know they contribute to transmission.”

    ———————————-

    This is indeed a sinister development, twostix.

    But it will quickly be tested.

    A certain cohort in SW Sydney is not going to readily submit.

    …………………………………..

    Isn’t a Leb school in Mt Druitt defying lockdowns?

    They know it’s a Globalism plandemic?


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  25. mh says:

    NSW: 1 covid death.
    Man “in his eighties”, had one jab plus underlying health conditions.
    Stop the world!


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  26. srr says:

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:53 am
    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.”
    _________________________

    And that’s why you feel compelled to post every bit of Pro WEF, Globalist Govt. MSM Propaganda calling for the mass Jabbing of everyone?

    Because only a paid mercenary could believe what you’ve posted above and keep pumping out that Pro-Jab Propaganda you do at the vicious rate you do, all over the place.


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  27. Figures says:

    “Looks like Mr Dominello was scheduled for 2nd Az dose this morning.
    ***
    Ok.”

    That was a few weeks ago.

    He has had his second shot and he got Bell’s palsy. It’s possible they aren’t related but they almost certainly are – Occam’s Razor.

    And I’m sure he knows it’s connected too but what is he going to say? His own government believes everybody should get a hundred million of these shots.


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  28. mh says:

    Isn’t a Leb school in Mt Druitt defying lockdowns?
    ***
    Good on them.


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  29. Figures says:

    “PETA CREDLIN”

    Say no more. When you say “we shouldn’t panic about COVID and lock everybody down” you can’t then follow it up by saying “we need to pressure everybody to get vaccinated”. Her writings – even when they are correct – have no discernible effect.

    Right wing people can’t get away with being inconsistent and wishy-washy the way leftists can.


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  30. calli says:

    I respect all their decisions.

    Quite.

    The issue is whether or not the government does. At the moment they’re holding a gun to people’s heads.

    Conversation with a daughter who was hospitalised due to an adverse AZ reaction (possibility of blood clots) –

    Me – why did you get the jab?
    Her – my doctor told me it was a good idea and minimal risk
    Me – are you going to have the second one?
    Her – yes
    Me – why?
    Her – because I can’t handle another lockdown

    Nice nudge. Thanks Government.


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  31. cohenite says:

    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.

    The government target should have been 70 percent of over 50s.

    Half right. Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.

    As I said my son had to have it, and his wife because both are medicos.

    And head prefect my son doesn’t get headaches from me because my daughter-in-law doesn’t get them. Knuckle-head.


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  32. twostix says:

    July 30:

    The Prime Minister Scott Morrison has announced a national COVID-19 vaccination target of 70 per cent will be required for Australia to start to ease debilitating pandemic restrictions.

    The whole country needs to reach that target as well as all the states individually.

    August 3:

    Australia could fully vaccinate 80% of its adult population by December under a “vision” outlined by Operation Covid Shield, with the federal government [Lt Gen Fewen] calling for an unprecedented level of collaboration across the country to accelerate the rollout.

    States immediately go into various states of lockdowns and tell us we’re not getting out of these without 70% vaccination rates, which has nothing to do with the political national strategy they all agreed on, but the very best up to the minute Science!(tm).

    We’re in the middle of a military created strategy to get the political class out of this mess. All you have to do is, they say, is do exactly as you are told, no matter what it is.


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  33. cohenite says:

    His own government believes everybody should get a hundred million of these shots.

    STFU you idiot.


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  34. Figures says:

    “Half right. Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.”

    The vaccine doesn’t stop it from being infectious. Not to worry though because it’s not infectious in the first place.


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  35. Kneel says:

    “So a screen share of this page caused…”

    and further down, we see:

    Table 1: Number of deaths due to COVID-19 that had associated conditions
    Reported with other conditions No. %
    Reported alone on certificate 87 12.8
    Reported with causal sequence of events only 99 14.5
    Reported with pre-existing chronic conditions only 229 33.6
    Reported with causal sequence of events and pre-existing chronic conditions 267 39.1

    So 72+% had pre-existing chronic conditions as well.
    Would be nice to see the cross-over – are the younger deaths mostly associated with pre-existing chronic conditions? That would change things very much, should it be true and widely disseminated.
    But even if it is true, will the MSM care? Hardly – no clicks for good news, is there?
    “If it bleeds, it leads”.
    Ghouls.


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  36. Armadillo says:

    What’s really disturbing is that the Taliban are now in control of who walks into Kabul Airport. Think about that.

    How many Taliban fighters are jumping on these planes?

    It would be child’s play for the Taliban to draw up a few “death lists” with their own fighters names inserted amongst genuine ones. Or fabricate some “night letters”. Or get your mates to pretend to bash you up and record it on a mobile phone.

    “Here Mister Immigration Officer, here is my proof my life is in danger. Let me in to America”.

    Remember, the Taliban have seized control of the biometric identification system. It’s something else they might manipulate.

    As a reward for fighting the infidel, we are going to send you on an all expenses paid holiday to the US. We will give you a ring in 5 or 10 years time when we need your services again.


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  37. mem says:

    Here are the latest official figures for death by age bracket for Covid 19 in Australia. Note that the figures commence in early 2020 so you are looking at more than 12 months and data includes the early variant then segues into the Delta variant without any differentiation. ( I have read figures from Britain that indicate that the Delta variant is 2.5 less lethal than the earlier variant and will post a reference on this later today.)
    https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics#cases-and-deaths-by-age-and-sex


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  38. srr says:

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:53 am
    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50.”
    _________________________

    [me] And that’s why you feel compelled to post every bit of Pro WEF, Globalist Govt. MSM Propaganda calling for the mass Jabbing of everyone?
    _________________________________________

    Yet here YOU ARE, STILL SELLING JABs to ALL Australians (70-80% includes a hell of a lot of Under 50’s), where the Globalist’s Reset Bug couldn’t even come close to the average flu –

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 8:06 am
    Covid over in vaccinated America”


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  39. twostix says:

    Her – my doctor told me it was a good idea and minimal risk

    Ahpra sent out a notice telling doctors telling them they have no reason to say otherwise and they’ll be investigated if they do.

    Young people’s trust in doctors amazes me. I mean, just the total farce that are “bulk billed” clinics should collapse any trust in this system. It’s like the 1950’s Leave it to Beaver Hollywood portrayal of doctors as wise, un-corruptable old men somehow seeped into the brains of Gen-X 40 years later via re-runs and wishful escapism that things could really be like that.

    “The Indian doctor who I’ve seen one time in my life and likely snuck his way into Australian medicine based on lies and fraud, told me in my 3.2 minute high volume ‘consultation’ that vaccines are fine…not sure why he prescribed a dose of branded antibiotics for me too but oh well, off to get the experimental product I go!”.


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  40. rosie says:

    My uncle was a Jesuit but I don’t think he would have been overly keen on Pope Francis, being the conservative Catholic he was.

    And don’t worry being openly accused of being a ‘paid mercenary’ is one of the joys of anarchy cat, you unmitigated loon. I remember you throwing that accusation around at anyone taking a contrary view back in the day.

    What is really sad is that you think people here are completely susceptible to *propaganda* which is why you think they are should only be allowed to view information sources approved by the mighty ussr.


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  41. Eyrie says:

    “Under 50s who interact with the elderly and the vulnerable have to be non-infectious.”

    cohenite, from where did you get the strange idea that being vaxxed makes you non infectious? The vax is likely to mask the symptoms for long enough and carry a higher viral load so you are more of a danger.


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  42. cohenite says:

    The vaccine doesn’t stop it from being infectious. Not to worry though because it’s not infectious in the first place.

    Half right you drongo. You’re like a sober version of bird.


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  43. Figures says:

    “What is really sad is that you think people here are completely susceptible to *propaganda* which is why you think they are should only be allowed to view information sources approved by the mighty ussr.”

    Hahahahaha!!!

    Think back all the way to 2019 notafan.

    Imagine if someone had told you there would be a virus floating around and we needed to lock down every economy on the planet – something that barely anybody had ever even suggested before let alone implemented – to stop perfectly healthy people walking around or seeing each other.

    You would have thought they were completely insane.

    They would have been completely insane.

    But by March your thinking was “that sounds like a good idea”.

    No fact changed – we had had plenty of supposed virus outbreaks before that. No laws of logic changed.

    The only thing that changed was the outright hysteria that had enveloped the earth.

    All you have to do to realise how brainwashed you are is ask yourself this notafan:

    When the ebola or SARS outbreak or H1N1 outbreaks occurred [or we were told they occurred] did it ever once occur to you that we should lock down billions of healthy people?

    If the answer is “no” – and it is – then you are brainwashed.


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  44. cohenite says:

    cohenite, from where did you get the strange idea that being vaxxed makes you non infectious?

    I’ve already been corrected by bird’s alter ego; I can only explain this terrible error because head prefect was taunting me.


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  45. Roger says:

    Young people’s trust in doctors amazes me.

    ———————-

    Belief in science has displaced belief in God.


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  46. calli says:

    That conversation with my daughter took place in the last half hour. She was admitted to hospital with fears that she had developed the “rare” AZ blood clots.

    Turned out to be “reactive arthritis”, exactly the same symptoms that my poor father with all his other medical conditions, had diagnosed as “gout”. She was in so much pain that she had to be hospitalised.

    Blackmailed by her jailer in the hope of getting a “ticket of leave” for good behaviour.


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  47. Figures says:

    “Half right you drongo. You’re like a sober version of bird.”

    I don’t believe what people say I believe how people act.

    If you’ve visited a doctor at any point in your life, then that means that you don’t believe in contagious disease.

    Of course, if you voluntarily get a vaccine then that means that you *must* believe in contagious disease.

    Which proves that you are a victim of extreme cognitive dissonance.


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  48. Roger says:

    Somewhere on our journey of cultural decline science went from being a quest for knowledge to an unquestionable authority.

    The young people who place such trust in doctors also accept AGW as an unquestionable truth. They are probably the most propagandised generation in modern Western history and also poorly equipped with critical thinking skills thanks to 12 or mor eyears of miseducation.


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  49. twostix says:

    Gotta say Sydney ethnics are really shining in this whole nightmare. Well on the road to becoming more australian than half of australians.

    Notwithstanding the content of the video, I mean it literally is perfect – a gang of morbidly obese cops standing over a healthy couple of old people sitting at the water’s edge, the cameraman’s antics are perfect. That’s the australian ‘larrikin’ spirit that the bugman class goes on and on and on about (but brutally punishes and stamps out of any australian who is actually one).


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