Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. srr says:

    O/P – “[something wise to not say]”

    First reply – “even saying that is enough to get you banned on twitter and SWAT to burst through your windows”

    O/P – “Let’s see if he does”

    Second Reply – Yep, and not only the original poster but those reposting, sharing the sentiment, would at the very least be pinged for further observation … unless it’s their job to fish for people seriously unhappy with lockdowns. In which case they wouldn’t worry at all, maybe even letting themselves express a little smarmy smugness.


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  2. rosie says:

    11.05 am

    Ussr mentions me in the first line of her comment as she does repeatedly through the day, then claims the ‘paid mercenary ‘ comment is a general one*.

    The cat has several paid mercenaries?

    *I’d suggest you review your own nonsense posts before lying on the next page.


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  3. slackster says:

    Today, the CDC quietly announced in a presser that Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is happening.

    “Additionally, reports from our international colleagues, including Israel, suggest increased risk of severe disease amongst those vaccinated early. Given this body of evidence, we are concerned that the current strong protection against severe infection, hospitalization, and death could decrease in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or who were vaccinated earlier during the phases of our vaccination rollout.”

    Not just increased risk of catching the disease due to fading effects of the vaccine, increased risk of SEVERE DISEASE if you DO catch it.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/08/18/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-50/


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  4. Eyrie says:

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/president-xi-calls-redistribution-wealth-help-expand-middle-class

    Looks like the beginning of the end for the Chinese economy. The Argentina of Asia.


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  5. Figures says:

    “Right, so when I broke an arm tackling a pacific islander and went to the doc to have it treated that means I’m anti-vax.”

    It doesn’t matter why you were there, the fact that you visited for any reason means that you can’t possibly be that afraid of contagious disease.

    “No, it means you’re an anti-vaxxer fuckwit who is using the legitimate concern about the chunk virus vaccines to peddle your general anti-vax bullshit.”

    The legitimate concerns – the bullying, the suppression of dangers, the censorship, the dodgy statistics – are all manifest in the old vaccines. And the excuses that pro-COVID vax people use to defend COVID vaccines are all the same as they use for other vaccines.

    Do you know what pharma companies typically use for a “control” in their trials?

    Another vaccine! Or sometimes just an injection of a aluminium.

    Pharma companies do this so they can artificially make their vaccines appear safe.

    This is what happened to Gardasil. Do you know the TGA initially rejected this to be included as part of the vaccine program? The health minister told them to change their advice because journalists pressured him. Zero science.

    But you didn’t care because you weren’t asked to get a vaccine for yourself. The only people who did care were the hapless parents who had to deal with injured daughters.

    Did you know that when the measles vaccine came out, most doctors were scratching their heads over the need for it because doctors in the 1960s had always known measles to be completely harmless? But if you were to ask somebody like you about measles today, you would be as paranoid about the danger of measles as COVID fanatics are about COVID deaths.

    There is no difference between the COVID vaccine and every other vaccine except for the scope of the crime.


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  6. Steve trickler says:

    Enjoy the flight.

    Stevie Triesenberg:

    Today we take the Bonanza into the world’s busiest airport, Oshkosh, for my very first (!!) EAA AirVenture 2021. After taking off out of Ann Arbor, we fly west along the Lake Michigan shoreline, get a stellar view of the Chicago skyline from the air, stop for fuel in Kenosha, then fly the one-and-only Fisk Arrival into Oshkosh. Already looking forward to flying in next year!

    Flying into OSHKOSH


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  7. Vicki says:

    “Not just increased risk of catching the disease due to fading effects of the vaccine, increased risk of SEVERE DISEASE if you DO catch it.” White House reporting report of CDC.
    slackster@2.13

    Wow. And will the Aussie media report this?
    Of course NOT!


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  8. Figures says:

    “Today, the CDC quietly announced in a presser that Antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE) is happening.”

    No prizes for guessing what their solution will be.

    More boosters!

    But as I say in my above post, people skeptical of COVID vaccines have missed their chance.

    Why didn’t you say something about tetanus boosters? Or the fact that babies need three polio or pertussis shots?

    The reason we get so many is because the more shots, the easier it is to rig the data to make it look like the vaccine works.

    But now you’ll complain when the same method gets applied to COVID shots.

    Why didn’t any of this bother you when you were taking your babies for their 6th round of shots within 18 months?


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  9. Boambee John says:

    Terry Pedersen says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:29 pm
    “reactive arthritis”

    Not a side effect of COVID or any of the vaccines. Usual cause is an underlying infection, often a UTI.

    Dr Perry the Very Tedious One provides an unethical diagnosis of a patient he/she/xe has never met. Is AHPRA aware of your activities?


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  10. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Bruce Pascoe’s defenders get a belting
    ——————————————————————————————————–
    Bruce Pascoe and the creators of the “secret woman’s business’ fiasco rank side by side…


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  11. Vicki says:

    “I’m guilty of going against The Science: a defence of my condemned, censored ‘dangerous’ speech to parliament”
    George Christensen

    God bless George for being the genuine article viz someone who can see through the madness & has the courage to proclaim it. And not just proclaim it to true believers – but to the cowardly mob who “represent” us 7 won’t defend the principles which put them there.


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  12. srr says:

    Rosie aka Notafan –
    rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 12:11 pm
    I’m with you Cohenite.
    [WHERE are YOU WITH Cohenite? Why do you make out that “Cohenite is ‘”WITH YOU” on this LIE of YOURS, ‘Rosie’?]

    I’m sure President Trump will be heartbroken to hear ussr has announced to the general public.

    ‘Your (sic) dropped’

    Poor old rumplesrrskin”
    ________________________

    It was a DELIBERATE LIE, because it was a response to this –
    srr says:
    August 19, 2021 at 11:56 am
    Me – “Me for instance; I take to people like Pell, Trump & Cave because of what they DON’T say.
    I find them all to be men who fully understand that you can’t trust those who fall for propaganda
    , even when they themselves put it out there; especially when they themselves put it out there.”

    But worse than being blatant lies, your posts are so childish, so very, School Girl Bullyish. Typical of Stasi-esque monsters who jump at the chance to finally ‘get even’ with those they envied.


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  13. wivenhoe says:

    What shit things are happening in the Penal Colony today?

    The bloody politicians are still breathing.


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  14. Vicki says:

    “the chance of experiencing an adverse reaction to the vaccine is nearly 3x greater than the chance of catching Covid. Since the chance of dying of the vaccine is at least as good as the chance of dying of the disease, it makes absolutely no sense for the average individual to get vaccinated’

    Thanks for the analysis in the study err!!!

    Of course, presenting this to those who are determined to get “the jab” for social reasons and self-interest of all kinds, will be absolutely uninterested.


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  15. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    mh says:
    August 19, 2021 at 1:06 pm
    ‘PPE senator’s Covid ‘juggle’ after daughter tests positive
    Labor Senator Katy Gallagher has resorted to wearing full PPE at home after her teen daughter caught Covid’

    That reminds me of The Newcastle Song chorus – don’t you ever let a chance go by…don’t you ever let a chance go by In this case to make a political point using your own family.

    In fact, nothing says “I love you more than anything,” to a child than keeping your distance from him/her. How must her daughter feel – what would be her level of anxiety – being treated like she has the plague? And if so serious, why is the daughter not in hospital?


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  16. cohenite says:

    Did you know that when the measles vaccine came out, most doctors were scratching their heads over the need for it because doctors in the 1960s had always known measles to be completely harmless? >/i>

    You’re an idiot, a dangerous idiot. I’ve wasted a lot of time arguing with anti-vaxxers and it’s pointless. It’s another cross against the chunks that their stinking virus has given oxygen to fruitcake anti-vaxxers.


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  17. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Vicki says:
    August 19, 2021 at 2:41 pm

    +lots.

    Pity there are not more like him.


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  18. Steve trickler says:

    Stew Peters Show:

    Stew Peters spoke with an Australian ex-military official who confirmed that AT LEAST two children are dead after being inoculated in a mass of 24,000 kids that were ushered into a sports arena to take the jab in the absence of any adults.

    The horrific Nazi-like ushering of masses of helpless youths is the furtherance of proof that Australia is the prototype for the New World Order.

    Report: 2 Kids DEAD After 24,000 Children Herded Into Stadium for JAB!


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  19. Figures says:

    “You’re an idiot, a dangerous idiot. I’ve wasted a lot of time arguing with anti-vaxxers and it’s pointless. It’s another cross against the chunks that their stinking virus has given oxygen to fruitcake anti-vaxxers.”

    Civilisation is on the verge of collapse because of the public health “experts” but your highest priority is ensuring that people don’t get discouraged from getting their hepatitis B shots.


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  20. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
    August 19, 2021 at 2:39 pm

    Zulu, I’ve just started Peter O’Brien’s book.

    I finished the one of the beginnings of the RAN, the breaking of the German code and the pursuit of the East Asian Squadron and Battle of Coronel. It was quite a good book on a subject that I had no idea about.


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  21. cohenite says:

    Australia sure is getting a lot of attention in the US for it’s lockdown crap. Bongino looks at it in his podcast at 35m,20s. Bongino also suggests if the US had waited until the talifucks were all in the presidential palace (we saw video of the idiots in the gym and kitchen) and put a couple of stinger missles into the place a large % of the fuckers would have been taken out. But as he says a nation which has a rainbow poofta flag flying at its embassy and has diversity as its dominant criteria for entry into the armed forces and cia is too woke to do that.

    https://rumble.com/vlcxxj-ep.-1587-revenge-is-a-strategy-the-dan-bongino-show.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+Dan+Bongino+Show&ep=1


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  22. srr says:

    ““Not just increased risk of catching the disease due to fading effects of the vaccine, increased risk of SEVERE DISEASE if you DO catch it.” White House reporting report of CDC.
    slackster@2.13

    Wow. And will the Aussie media report this?
    Of course NOT!”
    _____________________________

    Wow. And will the Rosie report this?
    Of course NOT!


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  23. Dot says:

    *Labor Senator Katy Gallagher has resorted to wearing full PPE at home after her teen daughter caught Covid’*

    These people are totally normal.


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  24. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    twostix says:
    August 19, 2021 at 11:41 am

    twostix, that’s that Aussie Cossack


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  25. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    calli says:
    August 19, 2021 at 11:35 am

    I’m sorry to hear that calli; I’m thinking of your both – prayers and best wishes that she recovers quickly.
    BBS


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  26. rosie says:

    I see its still going.

    Stasiundersergeantusrr accusing the target of ‘bullying’.

    Oh my sides.


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  27. amortiser says:

    “ In a video co-produced with the Ad Council, Pope Francis urges people to get vaccinated against Covid-19, calling it an act of love toward others.”

    If he had said:

    A greater love hath no man than to lay down his life for a friend.

    Then it would be really time to worry.


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  28. cohenite says:

    Civilisation is on the verge of collapse because of the public health “experts” but your highest priority is ensuring that people don’t get discouraged from getting their hepatitis B shots.

    Don’t verbal me fuckwit.

    Civilization is on the verge of collapse because of a corrupt, senile US POTUS and a corrupt swamp, an aggressive chunk, resurgent islam and a generally piss-weak Western set of leaders.


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  29. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Vicki, I’m very sorry to hear your news – prayers and best wishes to you and your family.
    kind regards,
    BBS


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  30. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    cohenite:
    I take comfort in the fact Trump is largely responsible for the vaccines

    I’m sorry to tell you this, cohenite, but from the Dr David Martin and Reiner Fuillmich videos, Trump was had. In fact, there’s no comfort in any of this until these aresh*les get their comeuppance.


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  31. Eyrie says:

    John Howard in the Paywallian trying to blame Trump for the Afghan bugout clusterf*ck.
    Howard truly is the unflushable turd.


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  32. Terry Pedersen says:

    prayers and best wishes that she recovers quickly

    And a course of antibiotics. Maybe Bactrim or Keflex.


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  33. Vicki says:

    This is where it is all leading:

    Pew Research Center
    @pewresearch
    Roughly half of U.S. adults (48%) now say the government should take steps to restrict false information online, even if it means losing some freedom to access and publish content. That is up from 39% in 2018. https://pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/18/more-americans-now-say-government-should-take-steps-to-restrict-false-information-online-than-in-2018/


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  34. srr says:

    “Australian Self-Genocide

    I don’t know if this is legitimate or not, but if Australians permit their evil government to force-vaccinate their children, they don’t deserve to survive.

    The Australian government is going to seize 24,000 children from its citizens and place them in a stadium quarantine camp to be forcibly vaccinated. Parents will not be allowed to attend. As was reported by the Daily Expose in the United Kingdom and Red State in the United States, Australia’s Brad Hazzard, the Minister for Health and Medical Research, has told parents in a press conference that 24,000 children will be sent to a stadium to get the experimental Covid-19 vaccine, and parents will not allowed to be present. Hazzard insisted to parents that their children would be “well looked after.”

    At this point, I think we can safely assume that China will annex Australia any time it wants. If Australians won’t even defend their children from being injected with an experimental gene therapy from which they can’t possibly benefit, they certainly aren’t going to offer even a modicum of resistance to the Red Army.

    Apparently Australians have learned absolutely nothing about how to resist illegitimate government from the example provided by the Taliban.

    UPDATE: The good news is that the Australian authorities are not actually seizing the children, just taking them with the permission of their parents to be vaccinated and indoctrinated en masse. The bad news is that two of the children are already reported to have died from adverse reactions.”
    ____________________________________

    Meanwhile, the Brits still have Rape Jihadists Protected there (with more Jihadists set to come); the US has handed over it’s governance to Jihadis, MS13, Planned Full Term Abortionists/Dems; The Vatican is in bed with the Lavender Mafia & Greenie Super Pro-Abortionists … and so on around what was once Christendom …


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  35. Pogria says:

    Bar Beach Swimmer,

    if you would like a couple of reading recommendations, I have recently finished “Lonely Courage”, and “Killers of the Flower Moon”. Heart breaking stuff.

    Lonely Courage is about the ordinary women who were used as spies during WW2. The shabby way in which they were treated and the sheer incompetence of their handlers, and the tragic ends for some of them is both maddening and heart breaking.

    Killers of the Flower Moon is about the murders of scores of Osage Indians early last century. Also about the founding of the FBI. The Osage Indians were the only tribe in the US who actually had Mineral Rights written into their land purchase. The murders were for the Head Rights to the land leases. Riveting read and, as above, heart breaking.


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  36. Steve trickler says:

    People aiding and abetting this scam are the worst of the worst of humanity. Horrible creatures. F8cking despicable.


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  37. Top Ender says:

    DVA have just sent out a text message to what looks like all veterans of the Middle East wars. Words to the effect of we are proud of you and stay safe.


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  38. srr says:

    Link, includes comments –

    Australian Self-Genocide
    https://voxday.net/2021/08/18/australian-self-genocide/


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  39. Terry Pedersen says:

    Labor Senator Katy Gallagher has resorted to wearing full PPE at home after her teen daughter caught Covid

    Eminently sensible. The daughter is very unwell with COVID. Gallagher is trying to prevent it spreading to her son and her partner and of course, herself.


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  40. Steve trickler says:

    I take comfort in the fact Trump is largely responsible for the vaccines

    Bill Gates laughs at you.


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  41. Vicki says:

    Vicki, I’m very sorry to hear your news – prayers and best wishes to you and your family.
    kind regards,
    BBS

    Thank you, Bar Beach Swimmer.

    Grandson, prior to vax, a fit young man living on northern beaches of Sydney & in surf every day. Spoke to him via FaceTime a little earlier & he is somewhat better.


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  42. Boambee John says:

    Terry Pedersen says:
    August 19, 2021 at 3:56 pm
    prayers and best wishes that she recovers quickly

    And a course of antibiotics. Maybe Bactrim or Keflex.

    Dr Perry the Very Tedious One now unethically prescribes anti-biotics for patients he/she/xe has never met. More grist to the AHPRA mill?


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  43. Figures says:

    “Eminently sensible. The daughter is very unwell with COVID. Gallagher is trying to prevent it spreading to her son and her partner and of course, herself.”

    All the thousands of times she visited a doctor or hospital she just wore normal clothes – even though she was surrounded by the germs of thousands of very very sick people.

    But for her daughter she wears PPE.

    And you call this “eminently sensible”?

    You’re an utter imbecile.


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  44. srr says:

    CONTEXT is important Rosie aka Notafan.

    You still haven’t given a reasonable answer as to why you keep pumping out Pro-Vax Propaganda, which leaves reasonable people to believe you very well may be a, ‘paid per word’ propagandists.
    You also continue trying to drag others into this mess of cow plot you keep dumping all over the place; a low, cornered cowards act.

    We all know that ‘Social’ Media is chock full of mercenary, paid propagandist (hell, the Gillard Govt even bragged about how many more they recruited), but it pays you to have every innocent, independent blogger believe they are being accused, by me, of behaviours they simply don’t display but you shovel shit loads of.

    So, you post this fart smoke –

    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 2:04 pm
    11.05 am

    Ussr mentions me in the first line of her comment as she does repeatedly through the day, then claims the ‘paid mercenary ‘ comment is a general one*.

    The cat has several paid mercenaries?

    *I’d suggest you review your own nonsense posts before lying on the next page.”
    ______________________________________________

    Now to that context you leave out –

    srr says:
    August 19, 2021 at 11:05 am
    “rosie says:
    August 19, 2021 at 10:53 am
    I’ve said many many times I don’t see why anyone would get vaccinated if they are aged under 50*.”
    [yet you still push the Govt 70-80% numbers which MUST include under 50’s]
    _________________________

    And that’s why you feel compelled to post every bit of Pro WEF, Globalist Govt. MSM Propaganda calling for the mass Jabbing of everyone?

    Because only a paid mercenary could believe what you’ve posted above* and keep pumping out that Pro-Jab Propaganda you do, at the vicious rate you do, all over the place.”

    P.S. your breaking out in childish, invented word gibberish around yet another of your lies, is one of your mock worthy tells of how badly you’ve lost your cool and hoping no one notices how terribly, nasty brat, angry you are.


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  45. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    The daughter is very unwell with COVID

    If she’s so unwell she should be in hospital. In fact, given that her mother is a Senator, I seriously doubt that her mother would not be insisting that she be admitted. On a 1-5 likert scale, on credibility, it’s a 1 from me on Senator Gallagher.


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  46. Vicki says:

    A terrific read from “American Thinker”:

    August 18, 2021
    A new COVID treatment?
    By James Stansbury

    Nearly a year and a half has passed, and over 618,000 COVID-19 related deaths were recorded in the U.S. alone, and finally the FDA released an emergency use authorization for REGEN-COV, a new drug that was undergoing testing in 2020 (pre-Biden).  It is now an early treatment option for primary care physicians.  Until this point, the only authorized COVID-19 treatment my family doctor had per the July 2021 update to NIH guidelines was recommend quarantine, wait until symptoms go away, or report to a hospital if they get worse.  It is noteworthy that these updated guidelines continue to name hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) as a prohibited drug, but it should be no surprise, considering that a war on HCQ began soon after President Trump dared to recommend it.

    However, REGEN-COV is no simple take-home medicine like the familiar Tamiflu frequently prescribed for the seasonal flu.  For example (in the “old days” that ended in March 2020), my wife and I both caught the seasonal flu.  Our doctor immediately prescribed Tamiflu and azithromycin because he knew that a delay of even a few days would make Tamiflu less effective.  REGEN-COV is similarly recommended only for early use before severe symptoms can develop.  

    Once the initial surge of COVID-19 cases and deaths started in March–April 2020, the seasonal flu magically vanished along with Tamiflu despite some early indications that it works on COVID. 

    According to the FDA fact sheet on REGEN-COV, the intravenous infusion process it requires appears time-consuming (can take 20 to 50 minutes or more with a one-hour monitoring period immediately after).  For now, it is recommended for use only on confirmed COVID-19 patients over the age of 12 who are at high risk of developing severe symptoms, but it permits some flexibility to be given as a preventative to especially high-risk patients.  It sounds so promising that the FDA was careful to say it is not a substitute for the vaccines. 

    The FDA has known from the beginning that early treatment of COVID-19 is essential yet chose to ignore India’s great success with its initial early treatment protocol that initially included HCQ.  However, when the delta variant arrived, it appeared more resistant to HCQ, so India immediately approved and widely distributed a new more potent outpatient COVID kit consisting of ivermectin, doxcycline, and zinc.  This less-than-$3 kit quickly reversed the delta variant death trend there.  Finding the true cost per dose of REGEN-COV proved more elusive — ranging from $10 to $2,100 per dose.  Grab your “Good Rx” card just in case.   

    REGEN-COV and all the medications used by India appear to work similarly by calming the characteristic overreaction of the body’s auto-immune system (cytokine storm) that COVID-19 can trigger in some patients with compromised immune systems.  Advanced age is a major factor, notably from vitamin D deficiency.  If the cytokine storm can be controlled early, the immune system can work properly and produce the antibodies that kill the virus.  
       
    Never forget that the war against these inexpensive drugs was not limited to the U.S.; rather, it was also in most Western countries like the U.K. and Sweden.  However, Sweden, known for its risky minimal mask and lockdowns mandates, has apparently achieved herd immunity (the Swedes’ average daily deaths since mid-July 2021 have remained below 0.1 and are continuing steady at 0.01 in mid-August) in time to avoid new deaths from the delta variant.  In comparison, neither the U.S. nor the U.K. did despite their rigid mask mandates, lockdowns, and higher vaccination rates.  In fact, the lockdowns may have delayed the achievement of herd immunity in time to avoid the spread of the new delta variant.  India, with fewer than 10% vaccinated, is also nearing herd immunity and had far fewer per capita deaths than most for the entire pandemic.  You can monitor the death trends of these four countries here.  

    Having spent most of my career as an analyst, I wondered what the outcome would have been if Sweden, the U.K., and the U.S. had discovered something like REGEN-COV at the outset of the pandemic or had the courage to permit the use of India’s inexpensive early outpatient treatment protocols.  This question can be simplistically answered by using India’s reported 331 cumulative deaths per million as the best possible expected outcome (assuming the results for REGEN-COV would have been similar) and multiplying that same number of deaths (311/million) by the populations of the three Western countries:

    The potentially avoidable death counts in the last column (in red) are beyond alarming.  The results in the next to last column (in green) resemble the expected deaths in a normal seasonal flu year.  Obviously, the skeptics will reject this result, citing that there are many other factors that would have ruled out this optimism.  Examples include questioning the accuracy of India’s data, the difference in average ages of each country’s population (India has far more young people), and lack of domestic manufacturing and supply chain resources to produce and distribute the needed drugs.  
    Nevertheless, the results do question the wisdom of the government-medical establishment’s decision to delay authorizing any early treatment protocols to instead gamble on the vaccines’ timely arrival or the hope that something new (and more profitable) like REGEN-COV would magically appear.  We cannot change history, but we should have the wisdom learn from it.


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  47. Davey Boy says:

    Testing


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