Open Thread – October 2023

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  1. kaysee kaysee says:

    I’ve learnt a new term:
    Globalitarian misanthropists

    H/t MEP Christine Anderson

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  2. kaysee kaysee says:

    Dr. Peter McCullough

    The COVID-19 Vaccines are NOT SAFE for Human Use

    “Pfizer Should Have Never Been Approved”

    Dr Pierre Kory

    Life insurers continue to hemorrhage money paying out death claims caused by mRNA vaccines. Yes, its the vaccines driving excess mortality and not Covid.

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  3. kaysee kaysee says:

    Kaysee, about your recent comment regarding the term “Jesus, the Palestinian Jew”, I think this is partly the promotion of a concept which will aid a great deception in the (possibly) not too distant future.

    Looks like two factions want to claim Jesus – but only until it serves their purpose.

    The massacre in Gaza on 7 October was like firewood build-up just waiting to be lit. What you are reading/hearing/watching depends on which “channel” you are tuned in to. There is propaganda from all sides – it is easy to be swayed in any one direction.

    As someone commented: We are naive about what is the real picture in this conflict.

    The declaration from Israel that they are going to wipe out Hamas is a tall one. The Hamas leaders are sitting safe in Qatar. Destroy their sites in Gaza, they will create new ones. They have plenty of jihadi recruits waiting and ready to sign up.

    If Israel targets any other ME country, or the US steps in, the other Arab nations will join what is right now the Israel-Hamas war.

    Here we see the warnings in The Revelation about a false messiah called the anti-Christ who is accompanied by someone called the False Prophet.

    Some interpretations are that there will be not just one but a number of anti-Christs before the main one is revealed. From what we see on the world stage, there are a number of possible candidates that already fit the bill.

    I didn’t save the link but there is an article this week – if Europe falls, Islam will take over the region.

    This from 2018
    1,400 Years of Jihad: Robert Spencer’s The History of Jihad

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  4. kaysee kaysee says:

    Some of the videos that have been posted:

    How the West is Laundering Lies Through “Experts” to Target Gaza – The New Atlas

    In the Narrative Control post, I commented about the questions related to the bombing of the hospital. There are many who have bought the story that it definitely wasn’t Israel. As Brian says – we can’t be sure who was responsible.

    George Galloway Fired From talkRADIO After ‘Anti-Semitic’ Tweet

    Don’t mix politics and sports?

    HIGH ALERT! So THIS Is Why They Want WAR In The Middle East
    Russell Brand

    Russell is right – the need for compassion towards those who are personally affected. But we should check the motives behind this conflict. The “undisclosed lies”.

    We are being played. But most people are so busy watching the show, they don’t realise the main goal.

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  5. kaysee kaysee says:

    Sustainable Development Goals

    The Sustainable Development Goals

    17 goals and 169 targets agreed by all UN member states with the aim to achieve a better and more sustainable future for all.

    Digital ID- UN Sustainable Development Agenda 16

    If we are aware of their agenda and what they have intended for us we do not have to participate

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  6. kaysee kaysee says:

    Jonathan Antoine

    Parla Piu Piano
    (The Godfather Theme)

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  7. mh says:

    Much more than the title

    Col. Douglas Macgregor: How ill-equipped is the US for two wars?

    Judge Napolitano – Judging Freedom
    220K subscribers

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  8. mh says:

    Maybe I should just accept the narrative.

    I’m sure it will end well


    Safe and effective
    Inflation is transitory
    Ukraine insurgency
    America F#K YEAH!

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  9. mh says:

    Sydney council votes to fly Palestinian flag | 9 News Australia

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  10. mh says:

    South Africa firebrand Julius Malema gives a pro-Palestine speech outside the Israeli Embassy in Pretoria

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  11. mh says:

    Don’t mix politics and sports?

    The Celtic fans do.

    I don’t know the history with these pro-Palestine Celtic supporters

    Celtic fans defy club appeal over Palestinian flag display

    Published 14 hours ago

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  12. mh says:

    John is in Australia right now

    John Mearsheimer: Will Israel and Ukraine derail the US pivot to Asia

    26 Oct 2023
    CIS Executive Director Tom Switzer’s interview with Professor Mearsheimer on ABC Radio National.

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  13. Old bloke says:

    The last round of recruitment for the US military services failed to meet its targets so with multiple wars in the making, the draft will most likely be reintroduced. Gen Z doesn’t want to be drafted, these are the people who overwhelmingly voted for Biden because they didn’t like Trump’s mean tweets, it looks like a bad case of buyer’s remorse.

    Biden’s Military Draft is SCARING GenZ Leftists who voted for him | Redacted News – 15 mins.

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  14. Old bloke says:

    China is dumping its US Treasuries at an increased rate.

    🔴 MOVING FAST: China Sells $21 BILLION In U.S. Treasuries, The Largest Drop In 4 Years – Lena Petrova – 8 mins.

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  15. mh says:

    Looks like America/Pfisrael have launched WW111.

    Not sure if there is a reliable outlet for updates. RT?

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  16. mh says:


    The US will “not be spared from this fire” if Israel’s “genocide” against the Palestinian people continues, Iranian Foreign Minister Hossein Amir-Abdollahian told the UN General Assembly in New York on Thursday.

    “I say frankly to the American statesmen and military forces who are now managing the genocide in Palestine, that we do not welcome the expansion of the war in this region,” Amir-Abdollahian said in his address.

    “But I warn [that] if the genocide in Gaza continues, they will not be spared from this fire,” he continued. “This is our home and West Asia is our region. We do not compromise with any party and any side and have no reservations when it comes to our home’s security.”

    US President Joe Biden has pledged that Washington will “stand forever” with Israel, and is currently pushing Congress to authorize a $14 billion package of military aid for the Jewish state.

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  17. mh says:

    Inflation is now a homegrown problem for the RBA

    Treasurer Jim Chalmers is blaming the oil price spike for inflation but local factors are increasingly driving inflation.

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  18. Old bloke says:

    It looks like YouTube is down, it isn’t working for me anyway. I checked the report below which said it had crashed sometime today but is now working fine, which it isn’t.

    That report was interesting though, lots of US based social media sites were down today, looks like a cyber war us underway. Rumble is still working.

    Is YouTube down?

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  19. mh says:

    I have the Al Jazeera channel so I might give that a go.

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  20. mh says:

    The Age

    Senior Labor minister Tony Burke has supported his local council flying the Palestinian flag and said the country should not engage in “competitive grief” during the horrors of the Israel-Hamas war.

    In the strongest comments yet from an Albanese government minister, Burke said civilian families in Gaza would be the first to die as food, water and fuel ran out, and that the grief of Palestinian Australians whose family members were dying had not been acknowledged in equal ways in the response to the conflict. …

    Burke is the third Albanese government minister, and the most senior, to speak out publicly about the sentiment among Palestinian Australians since the Israel-Hamas war broke out, after ministers Ed Husic and Anne Aly, who are both Muslim, last week said they feared Palestinians were being collectively punished for Hamas’ actions.

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  21. Old bloke says:

    mh says:
    October 27, 2023 at 5:33 pm

    Looks like America/Pfisrael have launched WW111.

    Not sure if there is a reliable outlet for updates. RT?

    Col. Macgregor said yesterday that US Special Forces and Israeli Special Forces had gone into Gaza to locate the hostages. They were “shot up badly” I think Macgregor said.

    Bozorkiman (spelling?) had a video about it on YouTube this morning, can’t give you a link as YT is still down.

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  22. mh says:

    GG interviews Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges

    INTERVIEW: The term genocide is not inappropriate

    George Galloway
    320K subscribers

    INTERVIEW: We’ve gone from the absurdity of criticising Israel as a form of anti-semitism to criticising genocide as a form of anti-semitism

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  23. mh says:

    Thanks Old bloke.

    I have tuned into Al Jazeera, appears to be non stop ‘War on Gaza’ coverage.

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  24. Old bloke says:

    INTERVIEW: We’ve gone from the absurdity of criticising Israel as a form of anti-semitism to criticising genocide as a form of anti-semitism

    The link doesn’t work for me, all I get is a static picture of Chris Hedge and George in a hat.

    On the topic of genocide, Donetsk City came under an artillery attack today after the first three day pause since 2014, cluster munitions were used for maximum civilian deaths.

    The pause was caused by the Russian attack on Avdiivka, a heavily fortified city to the west of Donetsk city. It was from this city that the shelling of Donetsk city was conducted by the Ukrainian militias since 2014, they probably turned their guns on the advancing Russian troops instead of just killing civilians for a change.

    It looks like the Russians will attack that city via its industrial area, same as in Bakhmut. The major industry there is a coke factory hence the suggestion that Zelensky ordered it be defended till the last man when he heard they had a coke factory (sniff sniff).

    The Russians Got Close To Avdiivka In The South. Military Summary And Analysis For 2023.10.27

    Its also interesting that the Russians are training a brigade of former Ukrainian prisoners of war who want to fight against the Kiev regime.

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  25. mh says:

    The link doesn’t work for me, all I get is a static picture of Chris Hedge and George in a hat.

    You definitely have an issue.
    I’m using Safari, you could try Google Chrome.
    Or maybe you’ve been blackballed.

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  26. Old bloke says:

    Or maybe you’ve been blackballed.

    That explains it then, I thought it was gangrene or some obscure tropical venereal disease.

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  27. mh says:

    Monumental Oversight: Unveiling a Colossal Miscalculation | Scott Ritter

    Dialogue works
    50.7K subscribers


    Interesting comments in the first few minutes from Ritter about the ‘Abraham accords’. Sounds like the deal – brokered by Trump’s Jewish son in law Jarred Kushner – was designed to prevent a two state solution from ever happening.

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  28. mh says:

    The New Atlas LIVE: US Prepares for Major Middle East Conflict as Global Power Wanes

    The New Atlas
    245K subscribers

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  29. mh says:

    Brian Berletic and friend also discuss Al Jazeera.

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  30. mh says:

    Tucker Carlson
    Ep. 34 Of all of Biden’s crimes, backing the Ukrainian government as it throws priests in jail may be the most revealing.

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  31. Old bloke says:

    Ep. 34 Of all of Biden’s crimes, backing the Ukrainian government as it throws priests in jail may be the most revealing.

    Mark Sleboda covered this problem nine months ago.

    Zelenskiy’s Pogrom Against the Ukrainian Orthodox Church

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  32. kaysee kaysee says:

    A short history lesson

    After Germany’s humiliating defeat in WW1, Hitler rose to power with promises to restore Germany to its former glory. He followed an aggressive policy of invasions and annexations.

    The Allied powers – Britain, US and Soviet Union – were desperate to avoid another war and had their own problems in each of their countries. So they ignored Hitler’s invasion by following a policy of appeasement and gave him concessions in the hope that this would keep the peace and avoid war.

    But appeasements don’t work. They are seen as a sign of weakness by the aggressor. The Allied powers had used appeasement for personal political gain, as an easy way out of a problem. By the time they realised their mistake, it was too late. Hitler marched into Poland in September 1939, and the Allies had to take action. That set off WW2.

    Had the Allies stopped Hitler in the early stages, the world could well have been spared the horrors of the Second World War.

    But the powers-that-be were looking to their own convenience and cowardice in tackling the problem. In trying to avoid a war/dispute that could have been at a smaller scale, they ended up instead with the bloodbath of a world war.

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  33. kaysee kaysee says:

    Fast forward to the current situation in Israel.

    Why has it been so difficult for all groups to come to an understanding and solve the problem in as peaceful a manner as possible?

    For decades now, the dispute has been ongoing. In the past, Hamas was a small outfit – a little dangerous – but possible to control. However, Netanyahu, in wanting to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state, used the divide and rule ploy by decreasing the power of the Palestinian Authority (PA) and helping Hamas increase its power. Hamas was only a small terror group, but with Netanyahu’s scheming has ended up as a powerful organisation.

    Just as the appeasement by the Allies allowed the rise of Hitler, so the appeasement by Netanyahu has resulted in the rise of Hamas. The Israeli government thought they were using Hamas to fit in with their plans. Turns out Hamas has used the strategy to its advantage.

    And like the invasion of Poland which could no longer be ignored, the Israeli government have found themselves in a similar position with the massacre on October 7.

    Those who want to pick a side based on appearances or the propaganda can do so: Hamas is the evil one while Israel is the innocent victim/the good guys. Hamas is evil – no doubt about it. But those who are prepared to ask how it came to this, and why, will see that it isn’t so simple.

    If Israeli leaders really cared about peace, they could have worked out a solution. There are peace-desiring people on both sides (Israel and Palestine) who would have worked out a deal. But when you decide to play foul, team up with a terror group and encourage it, the day comes when that rabid dog turns into a powerful raging bull.

    They fed the beast and now are crying wolf.

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  34. kaysee kaysee says:

    Three articles here.
    I’ve picked a few sentences from each, but read the entire articles for details.

    The symbiotic relationship between Netanyahu and Hamas

    Netanyahu’s stated policy has always been in opposition to a two-state solution to the conflict…..

    [This], was in direct opposition to most of the Israeli defense and security establishment, which viewed cooperation with the Palestinian Authority (PA) to be in Israel’s security interest….

    Since returning to power in 2009, Netanyahu made no secret of his desire to keep Hamas and the PA apart for his own political purposes.

    The Israeli security apparatus often wanted to go after the leadership of Hamas in a concerted way during many of these mini-wars. They were kept from doing so by Netanyahu — because he needed Hamas as his foil against the PA. He had no long-term strategic objectives, only short-term political ones.

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  35. kaysee kaysee says:

    A Brief History of the Netanyahu-Hamas Alliance

    For the last 14 years, while implementing a divide-and-conquer policy…Netanyahu….has resisted any attempt, military or diplomatic, that might bring an end to the Hamas regime….

    For over a decade, Netanyahu has lent a hand, in various ways, to the growing military and political power of Hamas. Netanyahu is the one who turned Hamas from a terror organization with few resources into a semi-state body.

    Thus, Netanyahu indirectly funded Hamas after Abbas decided to stop providing it with funds….


    (The article is paywalled. I got the archived article but of late the archive site has sometimes been wanting a security check to let you through. If you can’t get in, the article is also at this link.)

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  36. kaysee kaysee says:

    For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

    Additionally, since 2014, Netanyahu-led governments have practically turned a blind eye to the incendiary balloons and rocket fire from Gaza.

    Meanwhile, Israel has allowed suitcases holding millions in Qatari cash to enter Gaza through its crossings since 2018, in order to maintain its fragile ceasefire with the Hamas rulers of the Strip.

    Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset….

    Hamas became stronger and used the auspices of peace that Israelis so longed for as cover for its training, and hundreds of Israelis have paid with their lives for this massive omission.

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  37. Old bloke says:

    If Israeli leaders really cared about peace, they could have worked out a solution. There are peace-desiring people on both sides (Israel and Palestine) who would have worked out a deal.

    Bill Clinton had Israeli PM Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat attend a Camp David summit meeting to work out a peace settlement between the Jews and the Palestinians in 2000. The talks failed as Arafat refused to recognise the state of Israel, even though Barak agreed to 95% of Arafat’s demands.

    There will never be a two-state solution as no Palestinian leader, be they either PA or Hamas, will recognise the right of Israel to exist. If any Palestinian leader was to recognise Israel, he’d be killed and replaced immediately (remember Anwar Sadat). Muslim theology teaches that land once conquered by Muslims will always be Muslim land, so Israel’s existence is an ongoing insult to Islam.

    Bill Clinton, though no friend of Israel, had to acknowledge that the talks failed despite PM Barak bending over backwards to accommodate Arafat’s demands. Nothing will change there for years unfortunately with or without Netanyahu’s “clever” plans.

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  38. kaysee kaysee says:

    I’ve been whinging about long Windows 10 updates and some of you have said that you don’t have any problems because the updates take place quickly.

    I thought I’d check why my updates take so long. Windows 10 has a number of editions which means different features and add-ons. The number of updates will depend on what your device needs. These are the editions:

    – Home
    – Pro
    – Pro Education
    – Pro for Workstations
    – Enterprise
    – Education
    – IoT Enterprise
    – Enterprise multi-session

    Windows 11 has a number of editions, too.

    For those who are in my boat, there’s another longgggg one coming up in the next few days.

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  39. kaysee kaysee says:

    W.H.O. Pandemic Treaty “Judgment Day”

    Article here.

    What YOU NEED to KNOW

    This is not about HEALTH. It is about Control in the absolute of countries under the guise of managing crisis and health. How did they do last time?

    May 24, 2024: W.H.O. Pandemic Treaty “Judgment Day” The largest, most comprehensive global Communist power grab ever seen is occurring as we speak, and most people have no idea that it is even happening.

    This is not hyperbole or exaggeration. And every man, woman and child on this planet’s lives will be irrevocably changed for the worse on May 24, 2024 if it is not stopped.

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  40. kaysee kaysee says:

    Australia going cashless?

    Australia is the 1st Western nation to go completely cashless at major banks WEF experiments on their plans for USA and EU ahead of 2024 elections

    When I’ve used the self-serve checkout at my local Woolies, I’d sometimes have to wait for a cash register to be available. There were more Card Registers that worked and fewer Cash ones. When I questioned this, one store employee muttered something about cash been phased out.

    Yesterday, I was at the checkout and noticed the registers have been upgraded. A quick check showed 4 as Card only and around 8 or 9 as Cash and Card. I am sure they would have based this on past records and noted that there are a number of customers who pay by cash.

    Going cashless only works when the public assist them. If we push back hard enough, they won’t be able to impose their cashless plans.

    If a business doesn’t want your cash, walk away and find one that does. It may be harder with banks and supermarkets, but with other businesses, find another one.

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  41. kaysee kaysee says:

    Col. Douglas Macgregor: How ill-equipped is the US for two wars?

    Macgregor’s right on many points. But the one about Israelis taking care not to harm civilians, I’m not sure.

    GG interviews Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges

    Chris Hedges says:
    I’m not defending it.
    But we have to understand it. To understand is not to condone.

    Do we want to understand the ongoing crisis? We can still despise Hamas and all terrorist organisations or disagree with some aspects. But we have to understand not just what has happened this month but before that. And what Chris describes as the absurdity of criticising Israel as a form of anti-semitism to criticising genocide as a form of anti-semitism.

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  42. kaysee kaysee says:

    There will never be a two-state solution as no Palestinian leader, be they either PA or Hamas, will recognise the right of Israel to exist.

    When was the last time such an attempt was made? In 2000?

    What if there were two negotiating groups (excluding Netanyahu and his allies) who seriously wanted to arrive at a peaceful solution and each side was willing to sincerely consider the deal? The negotiations would be held in a place that allowed media access and the entire world could see what each side brought to the table, their willingness to work towards peace and discuss a solution.

    If the deal fell through because the Palestinian side didn’t agree to Israel’s right to exist, or Israel didn’t want to consider the two-state solution, it would be out in the open. With social media, there would be proof of what happened and which side is responsible for the continuing conflict.

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  43. kaysee kaysee says:

    The entire world is like a cauldron with problems simmering within. The tyrants will turn up the heat to push their own evil schemes. So while we stay tuned and awake to what is taking place and are prepared to resist, let us also remember not to let them take away our peace and well-being.

    We have to take the time to find ways to stay level-headed and keep off the despair and gloom. Let’s find ways to help each other – those who come here – by adding something light and entertaining, as well.

    A spoonful of sugar by way of something entertaining or funny or unconnected to the bleakness and negativity in the world.

    I’ll try to add something from my end, as well.

    😺 . 🎵 . 😉 . 🎻 . 😇 . 🤡

    Our Sanity Savers.

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  44. kaysee kaysee says:


    Karolina Protsenko & Daniele Vitale
    Violin and Sax Cover

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  45. mh says:

    Macgregor’s right on many points. But the one about Israelis taking care not to harm civilians, I’m not sure.

    My ears pricked up too when I heard those words.
    He did qualify by saying that was his experience with the Israeli military.
    But the evidence is there for him if he wants to look.

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  46. mh says:

    Bill Clinton had Israeli PM Ehud Barak and Yasser Arafat attend a Camp David summit meeting to work out a peace settlement between the Jews and the Palestinians in 2000. The talks failed as Arafat refused to recognise the state of Israel, even though Barak agreed to 95% of Arafat’s demands.

    I think it is the John Mearsheimer interview with Tom Switzer linked above where John schools Tom on some of the myths of what Arafat was offered.

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  47. mh says:

    Al Jazeera is the goto channel on Foxtel for Gaza war coverage.

    Channel 651.

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  48. mh says:

    Sad news

    Former NSW premier Bob Carr’s wife Helena dies after brain aneurysm

    Carr said Helena, his wife of 50 years, was the “light of my life”.

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  49. mh says:

    Cat Stevens in Istanbul

    ISTANBUL – World-renowned artist Yusuf Islam speaks at the “Great Palestine Rally”

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  50. Admin Admin says:

    The site server was down.
    It is back up and running again.

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  51. SVC says:

    ‘Friends’ star Matthew Perry brown bread at aged 54.

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  52. kaysee kaysee says:

    Three videos from Neil Oliver

    22 Oct 2023
    With Bret Weinstein

    Cosmopolitan West is driving us towards an ‘unquestionable’ existential crisis

    ‘The historical pattern of lineage vs lineage displacement will not only be a tragedy but it threatens to drive out species to extinction.’

    Evolutionary Biologist Dr Bret Weinstein joins Neil Oliver to discuss the existential threats posed by war in the Middle East.

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  53. kaysee kaysee says:

    Excellent analysis by Macgregor.
    Good contributions from the others on the panel.

    29 Oct 2023
    With Douglas Macgregor and two other studio guests.

    Israel-Hamas: ‘Insistence on INTERVENTION has created CHAOS’

    ‘There is no fear of the consequences, as a result I’m not optimistic [for a solution to Israel-Hamas], I think we will march down a path into hell.’

    Retired U.S Army Colonel, Douglas Macgregor, discusses the Middle East conflict.

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  54. kaysee kaysee says:

    29 Oct 2023
    Neil’s monologue

    ‘Whilst blood flows, legislation scuttles through Parliament stealing our ways of life’

    ‘A person would have to be blind to fail to notice that whilst the bullets fly and the blood flows, all manner of legislation scuttles through our various parliaments like thieves in the night, systemically, and inch by inch, stealing our ways of life.’

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  55. mh says:

    I’m surprised Sky News waved this through

    Israel-Hamas war: Ex-Israeli soldier says ‘this government can’t defeat Hamas’

    Sky News
    7.05M subscribers

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  56. kaysee kaysee says:

    Cutting off the Head of the Snake

    Pascal Najadi, the son of WEF co-founder Hussain Najadi, is calling for the arrests of Bill Gates, WHO leadership, the WEF, Klaus Schwab, Big Tech and Pfizer.

    He says he and his mother are now dying from the vaccine, which he calls “poison”.


    (If it gets disappeared from the tube, it is also here.)

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  57. kaysee kaysee says:

    Several Major Automakers Scale Back Electric Vehicle Production:
    ‘People Are Finally Seeing Reality’

    Several major automakers have just announced that they are scaling back production of expensive electric vehicles (EVs) amid declining consumer interest and slow sales.

    In a seemingly coordinated move, Ford, Honda, and General Motors all announced significant rollbacks of EV production.

    General Motors recently announced it would be slowing electric vehicle production after losing nearly $1 billion from the autoworkers’ strike.

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  58. kaysee kaysee says:

    🎕 ┈┈┈┈ 🎕 ┈┈┈┈ 🎕
    And for this Sunday…..

    Christ Be Our Light

    This is a hymn of petition for Christ’s enlightenment.
    It was written by composer and musician Bernadette Farrell.


    A Ponderable

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  59. mh says:

    Australian media and the Israeli war machine

    The West Report

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  60. Mark Bolton says:

    I wonder if I can chuck a post here … not promising to say anything promising ?

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  61. mh says:

    Someone’s enjoying the genocide

    Dr Jordan B Peterson
    Give ’em hell @netanyahu

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  62. mh says:

    Mark Bolton says:
    October 30, 2023 at 1:00 am

    Hi Mark, if you want a stand alone post, not just a comment, I think you have to select Contact the Cat on menu bar and send it to our host Adam.

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  63. Old bloke says:

    The Australian Maritime Safety Authority, a government agency, has issued warnings to roll on – roll off ferry operators about the dangers of a fire from electric vehicles. Their recommendations for protective housing for these vehicles while the ship is at sea will be so prohibitively expensive that these ferry operators won’t allow electric vehicles to be carried onboard.

    Multi-storey car park operators will soon face a similar dilemma.

    EV Fire Risk on Ships – Government Agency issues MARITIME SAFETY ALERT | MGUY Australia – 6 mins.

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  64. Old bloke says:

    Regarding electric vehicles being carried on passenger ferries, these vehicles should be parked on an open-air deck with a bulldozer handy so that the burning car can be pushed overboard and thus avoid the risk of injury to the passengers and damage to other vehicles.

    Regarding the London Luton airport multi-storey car park fire, the vehicle owner has been arrested, charged and released on bail. Apparently the car was smoking when the owner drove into the car park. He told an attendant that the car was smoking but he was a very important person and he had to dash to catch a flight to a very important meeting so he wasn’t going to wait.

    I suppose that he could have abandoned the vehicle on the road and not continue driving into the car park, but he was an important person so normal considerations don’t apply.

    1504 cars were lost and the car park has collapsed, I’d hate to be his insurance company.

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  65. mh says:

    George Galloway Interviews Mohammed Hijab about Piers Morgan and Palestine

    Mohammed Hijab
    1.05M subscribers

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  66. Mark Bolton says:

    mh says:
    October 30, 2023 at 3:27 pm

    Why Thank You kindly, but this was my first post last night. It went straight into Moderation .. was just wondering if a buoy would “pop” up, as it were. I am not here for adrenaline filled fractious controversy main interest is “propaganda” ..I am not on any one’s payroll . I do this solely for my own interest. Hobby Horses … even if I still have any that havent been “shooooed away” just go “clippety Clop” ..

    I like to see the effect of propaganda on discussion groups.

    Call it a kink .. call it a vice ? .. But my Wife has put her foot down on my previous hobby of murdering prostitutes …

    ~whelp~ Hen Pecked or What!! ??

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  67. mh says:

    Aussie Cossack
    😢So sad…A Palestinian child recognises her mother’s dead body by her hair.

    “Israel killed my mother, sister, aunt and grandparents. I wish I died too.”

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  68. Mark Bolton says:

    By way of illustration. I was on a holiday in Vietnam and asked a bloke …
    “what do you do for a crust Mate”
    “Oh really I ? I have a background in Electronics… what The chip manufacturer?”

    “No the CIA”

    Oh well it was Ha Long Bay and the beers were OK .. and the night was young and warm .. we spoke of everything and nothing

    .. Quite got my little heart a flutter…

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  69. Mark Bolton says:

    But with my open mindedness and lack of any need to inject any agenda ..I hope I may be a worthwhile correspondent .


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  70. Mark Bolton says:

    Any ways having introduced myself I am happy to sit back and listen …

    Well Met Folks


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  71. mh says:

    Thanks, Mark.

    There is not much of a discussion group now, even regular posters for the last couple of years like Shy Ted have left without trace.

    I used to consider myself centre-right, but wouldn’t even know what that is now. I’m more anti-narrative, and there is lots of material. Sometimes I post links for my own benefit to watch in full later. Stuff like this:

    Palestinian Christians: Correcting the Narrative | The London Circle

    Al Hiwar TV English

    96,113 views Premiered on 4 Oct 2023 #Israel #Palestine #thelondoncircle

    The dominant narrative on #Palestine projected by the mainstream media, often deliberately omits a crucial component thereof, Palestinian Christians and their struggle against Zionism and the Israeli occupation with all its manifestations.

    Not only does this reduce the Palestinian struggle, but it exposes the hypocrisy of the largely Christian West towards their brethren in faith in Palestine.

    Anas Altikriti talks to Bishop Dr Munib Younan and Makram Khoury-Machool about the struggles Palestine’s Christians encounter including correcting the dominant narrative on Palestine and their unwavering solidarity with their Muslim and Arab brethren against the ugliness of occupation.

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  72. Mark Bolton says:

    @mh says:
    October 30, 2023 at 7:41 pm

    Quite so .. I have always seen Catallaxy as a great News Aggregator … I would never have cottoned onto Proffessor Bunyip if not for you folks.

    A place to find things that you might have missed but not a place for discussion.

    Peace ..

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  73. mh says:

    Check out the big brave Jewish settler:

    Israeli settlers stop Palestinian farmers from working their land in front soldiers, Hebron district

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  74. mh says:

    They appreciate American tax dollars

    1,307,457 views 9 Sept 2023
    “The Godly thing to do is to kill you. That’s what the Torah says.”

    Video footage captured a verbal altercation that took place when an Israeli approached a group of Americans who had been stopped by Israeli police for unknown reasons.

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  75. mh says:

    And finally for tonight, the latest from BB

    The 2009 US Plan for Iran War Sees New Opportunity in Israeli Gaza Ops + Update on Ukraine

    The New Atlas
    245K subscribers

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  76. Mark Bolton says:

    Once upon a time I relied on Cattalaxy to clue me into such as New Atlas … but now the chick is pecking further from the nest..

    But Oh My Goodness Me hasn’t it taken such a long time ?

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  77. mh says:

    Dan Kovalik
    I just took on ⁦⁦@JohnFetterman for his failure to support a ceasefire for #Gaza and was assaulted. Come see the violence inherent in the system.

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  78. Old bloke says:

    There is not much of a discussion group now, even regular posters for the last couple of years like Shy Ted have left without trace.

    Well, he is the shy type isn’t he? I wonder if one of his former patients caught up with him, some of them sounded pretty scary.

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  79. johanna johanna says:

    I’m not interested in justifying anti-Semitic mass murder, so I’m out of here for the forseeable.

    There is no point in arguing with anyone who justifies armed thugs running into a music festival and shooting hundreds of people. Or breaking into homes and torturing, raping and murdering the residents, including the elderly and children.

    Or kidnapping hundreds of civilians and holding them in undisclosed locations as emotional and military blackmail.

    Sorry Adam, it might be time to focus on the sweetshop. Thanks for trying.

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  80. mh says:

    Courier Paywall

    70pc of people killed in Gaza are women and children: UN

    The head of a UN relief agency has warned the world is watching an “unprecedented” human tragedy unfold as an Israeli strike hit Gaza’s cancer hospital.

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  81. Old bloke says:

    Stephen Gardner gets schooled by Col. Macgregor on the Israeli – Gaza situation. Macgregor’s position is valid, the Hamas murder of innocent Israeli citizens is unforgivable, but so to is the slaughter of innocent Palestinians, collective punishment can’t be excused and it has no place in a civilised world.

    Col. Macgregor Shares BOMBSHELL Intel on UKRAINE and ISRAEL! – 38 mins.

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  82. Mark Bolton says:


    I am not vain enough to shout answers.

    Nor so young as to think the mob is worth joining (That said i got free beers at the Bob Hawke Hotel for participating in a Demo back in the 70s)

    Nor gullible enough to think the “right questions” are being funneled my way.

    Good for you guys…

    We Happy Few !!

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  83. Mark Bolton says:

    Remember when a “Humanitarian Convoy” was fleeing Damascus ? And was strafed by the evil Russian Air assets …. Much BBC hand wringing and clutching of pearls … It was clearly bullshit and very incompetently done … the holes in the trucks were rust .. the fires were tires lit alight … the trucks were parked in a wrecker’s yard… but yet the BBC solemnly intones … any one who has ever held a camera or a microphone would know straight away it was bull shit..

    Same with Bucha Masacre … remember when it happened it was News Flash ? But shortly there after all disscussion was forbidden ?

    “Nice work Guys but …sorry but not nice enough … no one will believe this .. ”

    Alles Quatch

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  84. Mark Bolton says:

    Same reason Gonzalo Lira and Julian Assange are currently dungeoned.

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  85. mh says:

    Brisbane area
    Forecast for the rest of Tuesday

    Mostly clear. The chance of smoke haze. Winds north to northeasterly 20 to 30 km/h becoming light in the late evening.

    So why are there showers all around, including lightning?

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  86. mh says:

    Funeral for family of Al Jazeera correspondent | AJ #shorts

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    Irish MEP Clare Daly condemns the phrase “Europe stands with Israel”

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  88. mh says:

    In 2008, Professor Norman Finkelstein, who comes from a family deeply impacted by the Holocaust, was deeply outraged by what he saw as feigned sorrow or “crocodile tears” from a student at Case Western University in Cleveland, Ohio.

    Finkelstein’s father was an Auschwitz survivor, while his mother survived the Warsaw Ghetto and Majdanek concentration camp. Having experienced significant loss within his family during the Nazi Holocaust, he was infuriated when confronted by a Jewish student questioning his pro-Palestinian stance.

    He said: “I don’t respect the crocodile tears – if you had any heart in you, you would be crying for the Palestinians.”

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  89. mh says:

    James O’Brien caller stumped when quizzed over Israel’s warfare tactics towards Hamas | LBC

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  90. mh says:

    Jimmy Dore is back.
    I thought his stand-in sucked balls

    “I Have To Let The Israelis Do Whatever Psycho Sh*t They Want” – Joe Biden

    The Jimmy Dore Show

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  91. Old bloke says:

    Blinken went to Qatar to tell them to censor Al Jazeera reports from Gaza. Instead of telling them to rein in the reporting, Blinken should have told the Qataris to stop funding Hamas, Qatar is the paymaster for Hamas.

    What is the US / Qatar connection? The US has some military bases there and Hamas was also used in Syria alongside the other “moderate” jihadis to fight America’s war against Bashar al-Assad.

    Biden Admin DEMANDS CENSORSHIP of Al-Jazeera Over Israel-Palestine Coverage, Report Suggests: Rising – The Hill – 10 mins.

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  92. mh says:

    Hamas was also used in Syria alongside the other “moderate” jihadis to fight America’s war against Bashar al-Assad.

    I wonder if Rita Panahi considers any of this before opening her fat gob?

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