Open Thread – July 2023

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  1. mh says:

    US President Joe Biden: “If there were not an Israel, we’d have to invent one.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44


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  2. Mak Siccar says:

    Welcome, one and all, to the new financial year! To rising electricity prices and food prices and everything prices! Inflation eating away at your retirement savings! All due to the pollimuppets, together with the pubic serpents, of the Uniparty. Oh, and for good measure, let’s have a serious division (da ‘Voice’) in our society.


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  3. Shy Ted says:

    You said it, Mak. The blackfellas knew
    Also heard on the wireless, male public serpents to get 5 months paid paternity leave. Didn’t hear where.


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  4. Interested observer says:

    Advice from an agony aunt column that gets to the point

    Actions have consequences


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  5. Shy Ted says:

    Refuting the dot points

    • Died with based on tests that are not diagnostic.
    • Underlying cause of death is not cause of death
    • No it didn’t
    • Most Convid deaths were actually heart failure
    • People otherwise in the best of health

    Further down

    187 deaths that were due to long term effects of COVID-19 (e.g. post COVID-19 condition, long COVID-19)

    Only 187 vaccine deaths? What about the 20,000 excess deaths?
    And nowhere is the vax status recorded. Just criminal.


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  6. Shy Ted says:

    FFSAKE…………………. Just saw a new ad on the tele for the NAB bank……… The bank man behind the desk was an Asian. The business guy was Indian and the customers looked Arab or a whole mix of the lot…………….

    Where’s the white Aussie…………………???????


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  7. Shy Ted says:

    Update

    Outgoing CHO Brett Sutton has been named Victorian of the Year, revealing not only that he wanted to decline the award – but that he is “profoundly sorry” for some of his decisions.


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  8. kaysee kaysee says:

    Elon Musk takes two steps forward and then two steps back. He needs to work out his goal for Twitter and how he plans to run it. He talks about Free Speech and willing to lose money over it, but then makes decisions that contradict what he says.

    He has made some poor recruitment choices, especially the CEO. It would have been easy to get some good executives for his top positions, at lower remuneration packages, since there will be many conservative techies who would change jobs to work for a Free Speech tech company.

    Now, it seems, he is blocking unregistered users in the hope that they will sign up and join Twitter. He says the reason is because:

    Several hundred organizations (maybe more) were scraping Twitter data extremely aggressively, to the point where it was affecting the real user experience.

    What should we do to stop that? I’m open to ideas.

    If he does not unblock this quickly, it will backfire as many will just walk away from the platform. And those who are account holders and posters will lose their readers and thus their viewing numbers.


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  9. kaysee kaysee says:

    These are paywalled articles so I don’t know the details, but the blurbs provide clues.

    1/
    Janet Albrechtsen
    Worried about the voice? Wait until you see the treaty

    A Yes vote in the referendum is not the end of the process but rather the starting gun to a long and divisive treaty negotiation.

    2/

    Geoffrey Blainey
    Before voice vote, let’s get the facts in order

    The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by the PM as warm hearted and generous.

    3/
    From an article yesterday, we hear that the Yes 23 activist group is planning to enlist 50,000 volunteers for its campaign. They will be pushing the message of how the Voice will help indigenous health and education. And the group wants to steer clear of any questions related to the mechanics of the Voice.

    So, as always, the left use the emotion over reason, the feelz over think. Make it an emotional issue and use blackmail.

    The list of questions keeps getting longer. Let’s get some queries on the billions of dollars already given to various indigenous groups, precisely for health and education. Where has the money gone? If it hasn’t helped the indigenous so far, how can we be sure it will help them when they have the Voice?

    I’ve heard the figure of 30+ billion dollars each year that is given out for indigenous causes. Is there a verification source for the amount? I have been unable to find a link.


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  10. kaysee kaysee says:

    Did the New World Order/Great Reset agenda begin 50-60 years ago?
    Or was it much earlier?

    Who are the real power brokers in this world? Were the “symbols” described in the video connected to some people, places and events? Planned or some coincidences? Or misinterpretations? What is the truth? What is conspiracy?

    Best Modern Exposure Of Freemasonry
    Time To Wake Up Saints

    This video was posted in 2021. A description states:

    The person speaking in it is Altiyan Childs, who was an X-factor winner and joined the free masons to propel his career and remain relevant on the world stage. I do not know where he is today and this video is just to inform those still asleep as to this satanic cult of secret societies.

    From Wikipedia.

    On 15 April 2021, Altiyan released a five-hour youtube video on Freemasonry, and its secretly antagonistic relationship with Christianity. Altiyan claims to be a former member of the Masonic fraternity, breaking his Masonic oaths in order to produce his 5 hour presentation. The conclusion of the presentation is that international Freemasonry is in fact Organised Satanism in disguise.


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  11. mh says:

    If he does not unblock this quickly, it will backfire as many will just walk away from the platform. And those who are account holders and posters will lose their readers and thus their viewing numbers.

    I don’t have a Twitter account but always post and link to tweets on the Cat.

    Until yesterday.

    And no, I won’t be creating an account.


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  12. johanna johanna says:

    Altiyan claims to be a former member of the Masonic fraternity, breaking his Masonic oaths in order to produce his 5 hour presentation. The conclusion of the presentation is that international Freemasonry is in fact Organised Satanism in disguise.

    The heyday of Freemasonry is well and truly in the past. It is not clear if this Altiyan chap is referring to Masons since the beginning or recently, and I’m not listening to five hours of his presentation to find out.

    I will say that it is very, very unlikely that old time Masons had anything to do with Satanism. I knew quite a few of them in my younger days, and it’s laughable.

    Masonry was big in the north of England, and members were typically devout Chapel types. Satanism? Nup.

    If there are some creepy elements in the meagre remnants of the Freemasons these days – meh.


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  13. mh says:

    Tara Reade: Biden accuser explains why she decided to flee the US and seek sanctuary in Russia

    https://www.rt.com/news/578904-tara-reade-russia-moscow/


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  14. shatterzzz says:

    Where’s the white Aussie…………………???????

    Sitting outside with a sign and cap ..!

    [Comment went to the Spam bin. Can’t see why. – Admin]


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  15. Shy Ted says:

    ABC today

    Australian Story A Voice From The Heart – Megan Davis
    2:30PM – 3:00PM
    Megan Davis fell in love with the Constitution. She’s a lawyer and a driving force behind the Voice referendum who wants to change the nation’s founding document.

    That’s called an oxymoron.
    She’ll have fries with that


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  16. Shy Ted says:

    Flight cancellations at Sydney airport over the last day or so due to wind strength. Can’t see why
    They’re lying.


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  17. Interested observer says:

    Janet Albrechtsen
    Worried about the voice? Wait until you see the treaty

    A Yes vote in the referendum is not the end of the process but rather the starting gun to a long and divisive treaty

    From behind the paywall – Janet Albrechtsen quotes the words of the radical activists which have been reported elsewhere but summarises the agenda thus:

    What few voters understand is that while the voice provides the necessary negotiating platform and leverage for activists to achieve the desired treaty, the new constitutionally enshrined race-based body is only secondary to the treaty. That is because the voice does not in itself give ATSI people the two things activists really want: namely, sovereignty and a form of self-government, and reparations. Only a treaty can do that. That’s why voters should realise that a Yes vote will likely guarantee many more years of agitation and division until, and perhaps even after, a treaty is achieved.


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  18. Woolfe says:

    Elon throttling the users on his own platform?

    WTF does this mean?

    To address extreme levels of data scraping & system manipulation, we’ve applied the following temporary limits:

    – Verified accounts are limited to reading 6000 posts/day
    – Unverified accounts to 600 posts/day
    – New unverified accounts to 300/day


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  19. mh says:

    The former US Marine demonstrating how the US regime is full of it

    Washington’s REAL Policy on China – “Repairing Ties” is Theater Ahead of Sanctions, War

    The New Atlas
    235K subscribers

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQwoQnsiVOk


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  20. Woolfe says:

    Geoff Blainey Article in Paywallian

    The Uluru Statement from the Heart is a vulnerable document. It is sometimes silent when Aboriginal failures are visible, but vocal in condemning Australian people for misdeeds that never happened.

    Without doubt, the Indigenous people have had many legitimate grievances about their sufferings and slights ever since British convicts and marines arrived in 1788. Hosts of Aboriginal people were killed in frontier conflict, though the historians’ statistics of death tend to contradict each other. Most Indigenous people died from diseases to which they had no immunity, and such deaths far exceed those suffered in warfare since 1788.

    Countless Aboriginal people died from the excessive consumption of alcohol: rum and brandy rather than beer and wine were their temptation. Moreover, most Aboriginal people preferred novel foods such as sugar, flour and mutton rather than the plants they had skillfully gathered during an ingenious way of life that also kept them fit. The sight of so many overweight Aboriginal people today would confound their lean ancestors, if by chance still alive.

    The loss of their lands, their “dispossession”, of course created resentment. But Aboriginal leaders tend to think they were the world’s only such sufferers. In fact, the ancestors of most mainstream Australians painfully lost their lands in some faraway era and received no compensation.

    Thus in 1066 the Norman Conquest of England and the actual killing or enslavement of so many people, and the raping or castration of others, was probably as devastating as the British conquest of Australia. In contrast, no Aboriginal people were turned into slaves. English people who suffered severely from the consequences of the Norman invasion in 1066 must have outnumbered the Aboriginal people who suffered severely from the conquest of Australia in, say, the 70 years after 1788.

    Likewise, ancient Aboriginal people themselves were champions at dispossessing their neighbours, and one day that fact should be taught in Australian schools. In every known part of the world the semi-nomadic hunters and gatherers had been deadly in their tribal warfare.

    Inside the Uluru statement, two major accusations are expressed in one pithy sentence: “In 1967 we were counted, in 2017 we seek to be heard.” The Aboriginal leaders who met at Uluru believed their kinsfolk were not even deemed worthy of being counted – until the referendum of 1967 raised their political status. Anthony Albanese himself, while understandably basking in his political honeymoon, affirmed this accusation, and continues to do so in parliament. If true, the accusation is a serious blemish on the Australian nation during the past century and a half. But it is not true.

    In his many overseas trips Albanese has performed calmly and courteously. But at home, on the question that is now his very first priority, he seems sometimes to be at sea. It is fair to say he went overboard when in the Marrickville town hall on October 14 last year he told a packed gathering that Australia since 1788 had a “brutal” history, full stop. We all make unwise or sweeping statements from time to time.

    Albanese’s favourite message is that Australia is “the world’s oldest living culture”. But New Guinea was occupied by human beings at about the same time as – or earlier than – Australia, and accordingly it also might be the world’s oldest living culture. Aboriginal people on the whole now have the higher quality of life, but wide is the gap between most city and big-town residents and that minority struggling in the outback communities. Closing the Gap has several meanings.

    We learned how determined Albanese was when he affirmed, alongside the Uluru statement, that Aboriginal people were crippled by “powerlessness”. Now he is scaling the Mount Everest of Australian politics by seeking a drastic change to Australia’s Constitution. Thereby he will empower Indigenous people and simultaneously reduce the power of the great majority of Australians. But what if the Uluru statement, with its errors and omissions, does not justify an upheaval in Australia’s democratic system?

    The Uluru statement is militant. It offers no sentence of respect or gratitude to the Australian people. Yet it is hailed by Albanese as warm hearted and generous. He even announced in a memorial lecture in Adelaide recently that it was an invitation extended “to every single Australian in love and grace and patience”.

    A disciple of Bruce Pascoe, Albanese admires his nonsensical Dark Emu theory. Pascoe believes Aboriginal Australia was the first real democracy in the world and for 80,000 years a haven of peace and prosperity. Albanese believes this utopia – in fact, it never existed – can in some ways be honoured if Indigenous people are compensated with special powers and rights.

    Parliament in its recent debate did nothing to validate the Uluru accusation that mainstream Australians had refused for generations even to count Aboriginal people. In fact, these proud people were being counted before any one of us was born.

    We can appreciate the sense of hurt in young, politically active Aboriginal people when they hear the myth that they, their parents and grandparents had not been deemed worthy of being counted in a census. More insulting, the young are led to believe that the sheep had been counted regularly – as undoubtedly they were – but not the Aboriginal people.

    In parliament last month Tanya Plibersek mistakenly announced, in an otherwise informative address, that in 1901 the “Aboriginal people weren’t counted in the census or commonly allowed to vote”. Her ministerial colleague Catherine King told parliament that Aboriginal people – in the words of one informant – were powerless “simply because we were never identified as humans”. That can’t be true.

    Day by day, all shoppers at Coles supermarkets receive on their printed receipts a highly selective message based on Uluru. The directors of Coles Group do not seem to realise that, through the years, their own executives – in recommending places where the next dozen stores might or might not be opened – must have known where most Aboriginal people lived.

    Linda Burney, born in a small Riverina township, is deservedly praised for making her way from a humble Aboriginal home to become a cabinet minister in Sydney and now in Canberra. But she has mistakenly insisted that as a young girl she was never in a census. “The notion that you weren’t worthy of being counted was very painful,” she exclaimed in July 2017. She once misinformed parliament that until the age of 10 she was not even a citizen. Instead, she claimed she was merely ranked under “the flora and fauna act” of NSW. Such a policy did not exist.

    The first census to be conducted by commonwealth officers was in 1911, and the federal attorney-general instructed them to count “full-blood Aboriginals”. Understand­ably, the officers had to retreat when they reached remote areas where local inhabitants had seen no white person or heard a word of English. But tens of thousands of Aboriginal people were actually counted, often with enormous effort, in the accessible regions.

    For a logical but slightly complicated reason, they were not – after the actual counting – included in the final tally of population. For instance, in apportioning a share of the federal customs revenue to each state, the smallish Aboriginal populations were not “reckoned” when finalising the payments to each state. Helen Irving’s book To Constitute a Nation neatly explains the reasons and the practice.

    Today, visitors to the National Museum in Canberra are informed that not until 1971 were “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples counted in the Australian census”. On the contrary, they had been counted in every federal census since 1901, and counted moreover in the face of obstacles confronted by few other national statisticians. Thus the state officials then in charge of that 1901 census specifically counted them. They set up a special category that comprised “full blood Aboriginals” and those “nomadic half castes” who were living with them. In the five mainland states they totalled 41,389. An even larger number could not be counted, being nomadic and too far distant.

    There were precise censuses even before 1901, thus contradicting Albanese and the Uluru leaders. For example, South Australia, holding a census on Sunday, April 2, 1871, recorded the exact districts and towns where more than 5000 Aboriginal men and women lived.

    Eye-opening was the census held on the same Sunday in gold-rich Victoria, where 731,528 people of all races were counted. Conducted by Henry Hayter, the census commanded respect from leading overseas statisticians. The main results were in the hands of parliamentarians barely two months later – a feat that is unimaginable in the age of fast computers.

    Of those Victorian officials who took part in the detailed census, 918 went on horseback and 650 on foot. They investigated remote townships, huts and tents where only one or two Aboriginal people could be found. That the tally of these people had fallen since Victoria’s previous census in 1861 was evident, and it would continue to fall.

    Labor MP Graham Perrett says he is “quite optimistic” about the Voice to Parliament going up in Queensland. “I… know we’ve got a lot of work to do, but knocking on doors, having conversations in the street is something that all campaigns are about; you can move people

    Four out of every 10 of the Victorian Aboriginal men said they were following a paid occupation; and that was a higher proportion than can be found in many remote Aboriginal settlements today. In Victoria, two of every five Aboriginal children of school age could read but fewer could write. Five Aboriginal adults were recorded as blind, and seven were over the age of 70, according to the census teams.

    Hayter was meticulous. In the big printed edition of the census report he added a minor correction to the tally of 61,000 “Chinese and Aborigines” who had been separately counted: please “take 1 from the males and add 1 to the females”. Generally, the Aboriginal populations had considerably more males than females.

    Across the globe most people alive in 1871 had not yet been counted officially. It is therefore remarkable that Aboriginal people in various towns and regions of Australia were systematically counted.

    Other of our censuses were held before 1871, the year Albanese’s own ancestral land of Italy held its first nationwide census. One generation later, in 1897, the initial census in Russia’s vast empire at last enumerated famous individuals such as Finnish composer Jean Sibelius and Russian writers Leo Tolstoy and Fyodor Dostoevsky.

    Unfortunately, the allegation – “a people not worth counting” – is now endorsed by some of the biggest business houses, by the football leagues and even by universities that are world-ranked for their research.

    The leaders at Uluru insisted that their people had been powerless for generations This lament is also far-fetched.

    In stressing the “torment of our powerlessness”, they did not know that in the late 1850s, in the three populous Australian colonies, most Aboriginal men were allowed to vote. This was a momentous event: most of Europe’s tens of millions of men had not yet won the right to vote. Indeed, a forgotten man of Aboriginal and convict ancestry won the rural seat of Young in NSW in 1889.

    The crowd on the south side of Grenfell Street, Adelaide, watching the posting of the South Australian colonial election results outside The Register newspapers office in April 1896.
    The crowd on the south side of Grenfell Street, Adelaide, watching the posting of the South Australian colonial election results outside The Register newspapers office in April 1896.
    Another landmark – unknown to Uluru – was a general election held in 1896 in South Australia. This was probably the first government in the world to allow women not only to vote but also to stand for parliament. New Zealand women already had the first right but not the second.

    In this same 1896 election in South Australia, even more revolutionary was the sight of Aboriginal women attending the polling booth. Martin Luther King might well have shaken his head in surprise if he had known of it.

    Just pause and ponder for one minute: South Australia’s innovation occurred when 99 per cent of the women in the world did not have a vote. In renowned cities such as Paris, Berlin, London, New York, St Petersburg, Tokyo and Beijing, not one woman had the privilege now exercised by female Aboriginal voters in South Australia. Five years later in the first federal election various Aboriginal women must have voted – an election in which no white woman in the four eastern states was entitled to vote. These triumphs contradict the Uluru manifesto.

    Indigenous people hope to gain a major say in shaping a beneficial treaty with the Australian nation; they demand a truth-telling tribunal dominated by the Indigenous; and they call for the right at times to influence vital spheres such as foreign policy. They will also break the golden rule of democracy: one person, one vote.

    Meanwhile, their cry of “powerlessness” is a kind of crocodile tear. In the past half-century Aboriginal groups have been handsomely recognised by their acquisition – under the Fraser and Keating governments – of ownership or certain rights and interests in 55 per cent of the Australian land mass. Few Australian voters know this fact. It constitutes one of the largest peaceful transfers of land in the history of the modern world.

    Historian Geoffrey Blainey is the author of more than 40 books. His recent memoir is called Before I Forget (Penguin).


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  21. Old bloke says:

    I will say that it is very, very unlikely that old time Masons had anything to do with Satanism. I knew quite a few of them in my younger days, and it’s laughable.

    Most Masons just think that it’s a harmless charitable boy’s club with some dressing up in silly aprons etc., it’s not until they get to the 33rd degree that they are told that they worship Lucifer.

    The majority of the members never know about the core beliefs of that organisation, they just join to advance their prospects in life.


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  22. Old bloke says:

    She’ll have fries with that

    A proud Cobble Cobble woman, more likely a proud gobble gobble woman.


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  23. Interested observer says:

    Troy Bramston in The Australian arguing that Donald Trump Jr. should not be admitted to Australia

    Home Affairs Minister Clare O’Neil can use her authority under the Migration Act 1958 and Migration Regulations 1994 to “refuse to grant a person a visa if the person does not pass the character test”. The legislation defines the character test at subsection 501(6) of the act.

    It stipulates that if the person has an association with or is a member of an organisation that has been involved in criminal conduct, or the reasonable suspicion of such conduct, they can be denied a visa to Australia. Trump Jr clearly meets this requirement. Last December The Trump Organisation was found guilty of 17 counts of tax fraud, which included falsifying business records and conspiracy.

    I look forward to Joe and Hunter Biden being refused as convicted felons


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  24. mh says:

    Dingo attacks boy while in his father’s arms at K’gari

    A boy has been bitten by a dingo while in his father’s arms in the latest in a spate of attacks on K’gari.

    Are the Aboriginals going to sort out this ongoing mess on K’gari?


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  25. mh says:

    Paywalled

    Two marathoners rushed from course to hospital in critical state

    Two Gold Coast Marathon competitors have been taken to hospital in critical conditions. Here’s what we know so far.

    I recall same thing happened last year.
    The new normal.


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  26. kaysee kaysee says:

    That’s why voters should realise that a Yes vote will likely guarantee many more years of agitation and division until, and perhaps even after, a treaty is achieved.

    Will the public learn from the trickery of the past?

    2017: Same Sex Marriage. Love is Love.
    2017 – 2023: It wasn’t about love or marriage.
    The No side in 2017 knew where the slippery slope was headed. But even they would not have guessed how bad it would be.

    2023: Voice referendum
    The No side knows it isn’t about equality. It is about another agenda.

    That is because the voice does not in itself give ATSI people the two things activists really want: namely, sovereignty and a form of self-government, and reparations. Only a treaty can do that.


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  27. kaysee kaysee says:

    Elon throttling the users on his own platform?

    I don’t have Twitter or Instagram accounts. But I was able to open a link to this Instagram post and can also share it here. In the past two days, Twitter seems to be in a mess even for those with accounts.

    Sarah Huckabee Sanders

    I will not erase the beautiful cross my kids drew in chalk on the driveway of the Governor’s Mansion or remove my post on social media, and I will not now or ever hide that I am a Christian.


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  28. kaysee kaysee says:

    Geoff Blainey Article in Paywallian

    Woolfe, thanks for posting that excellent opinion piece from Geoffrey Blainey. It is a pity that it is a paywalled article. If it had a link, it could be shared widely. There must be some way to do it.

    Historical facts and statistics against the falsehoods spread by the activist brigade.


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  29. kaysee kaysee says:

    Most Masons just think that it’s a harmless charitable boy’s club with some dressing up in silly aprons etc., it’s not until they get to the 33rd degree that they are told that they worship Lucifer.

    The point you make about Masons thinking it is a harmless club and thinking it would help their prospects would explain why many get into it. The plan would be to reel them in gently and, once in the trap, it would be hard to get out.

    There are several commenters who agree with what Altiyan has said in his video. They have had personal experience directly or through family members who have been masons. Some have vouched for it due to their own study and research into this cult.

    Two comments:

    1/ My grandfather was a 33rd degree Mason and a Master Shriner. You would have never known that he was caught up in this. My grandmother was the leader of her chapter of the Eastern stars. When my father was born again and baptized in the name of Jesus at the age of 30, my grandparents were totally against it and almost disowned him. They fought against it and hated it.

    2/ I studied freemasonry and the occult out of curiosity for well over a decade, I have (Edit: Had) most of the books he referenced in this video. Everything he’s saying is true, he nailed all of the symbolism.


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  30. Shy Ted says:

    Merci Macron et les autres
    Un
    Deux
    Trois ha ha


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  31. kaysee kaysee says:

    The socially engineered banking system in Britain.
    Coming soon to a bank near you.

    1/
    Neil Oliver

    To be deprived of a bank account is to be the victim of social murder.
    Neil Oliver reacts to Nigel Farage having his bank account closed ‘without explanation’.

    2/
    The Vicar

    Yorkshire Building Society CLOSES Vicar’s bank account after airing views on bank’s Pride agenda


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  32. mh says:

    it’s not until they get to the 33rd degree that they are told that they worship Lucifer.

    How far did Queen Elizabeth 2 get?


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  33. mh says:

    The regime won’t stop until they are stopped

    Climbers urged to stay off Glass House Mountains ‘out of respect’

    The state government is urging people not to climb an iconic South East Queensland mountain during NAIDOC Week as a sign of respect for Indigenous people.


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  34. kaysee kaysee says:

    The Voice Questions
    (Draft list)

    These are the ones so far from the blog Cats. If you have other questions that can be added, please post them. The list will be updated and revised.

    1/ Just who is indigenous?

    2/ Is Bruce Pascoe indigenous?

    3/ What standards will be applied to acknowledge indigenousness?
    (Notes: It used to be a threefold test: the ‘three-part’ definition of Aboriginal identity
    “An Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander is a person *of Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent
    *who identifies as an Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander and
    *is accepted as such by the community in which he (she) lives.”)

    4/ What will be the direct cost to taxpayers of not just the peak body, but all the processes associated with appointing it and maintaining it?

    5/ What will be the indirect costs resulting from delayed decisions, foregone wealth from cancelled projects, and legal challenges from both sides?

    6/ What are the quantifiable benefits to offset the above costs?

    7/ If you don’t know the answers to the above (Qs 4, 5, 6) how can you responsibly ask people to vote for it?

    8/ As our indigenous brothers and sisters have the same voting rights as I do, why should some people have extra privileges in shaping and influencing legislation than I do? i.e., they already have the same “voice” as I have. They can complain to their elected representative in the same manner as I can, and they would be equally ignored like me too. Equality.

    9/ If the referendum passes, how will the members of the Voice Advisory panel be selected? Will there be a voting process based on some rules?

    10/ The non-indigenous Australians are expected to respect and acknowledge the indigenous people as the first inhabitants of this country. Is the same not due by indigenous people to the rest of the Australians for what they contribute to help the indigenous people?

    11/ Each year, over 30 billion dollars is given by the government to help indigenous people? That is a huge amount of money. Taxpayers need to know what has happened to their tax dollars.

    12/ In 2023, middle Australia is struggling with the cost of living: paying grocery bills, rent or mortgage, medical bills, power bills. There are Australians – both indigenous and non-indigenous – who are homeless, ill, unable to work, can’t afford to pay their bills – yet the government considers the indigenous Voice to Parliament as a far more important issue worth its time and millions of dollars rather than all Australians who are in need. Is that not a form of discrimination?


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  35. Shy Ted says:

    France is going to shut down their internet from 3/7. Which might be 4/7 here. Sacre bleu!


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  36. JohnJJJ says:

    Anyone found a good source of information on the riots and plundering in France?


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  37. mh says:

    Any of this equipment coming via Ukraine?

    French rioters filmed brandishing military-grade weapons as unrest grows

    https://www.rt.com/russia/579047-france-riotes-military-rifles/


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  38. mh says:

    Largely peaceful demonstrations

    The Truth About France

    Paul Joseph Watson

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLKmwuuo5h0


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  39. mh says:

    The Age

    Boos, abuse as Australia win second Ashes Test

    Australia have survived another heroic Ben Stokes onslaught in front of a furious Lord’s crowd and abusive Marylebone Cricket Club members to claim a second successive Ashes Test victory and take a 2-0 lead in the five-match series. Australia won by 43 runs despite a vigilant, and then belligerent, Stokes scoring a brilliant 155 in a match that erupted when Jonny Bairstow was stumped in bizarre circumstances walking out of his crease.

    Boos and crowd chants of “same old Aussies, always cheating” rang around the self-proclaimed “Home of Cricket”. Australian players were booed and abused by MCC members as they left the field and walked through the Long Room at lunch, with Usman Khawaja and David Warner, pictured, having separate confrontations and Marnus Labuschagne allegedly receiving an elbow in the side. “Some of the stuff that was coming out of the members’ mouths was really disappointing and I wasn’t just going to stand by and cop it,” Khawaja said. The Australian team has demanded an investigation.

    Marylebone Cricket Club members are bogans.

    What’s more, their knowledge of cricket is very limited.


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  40. JohnJJJ says:

    OK found it https://rairfoundation.com/allahu-akbar-riots-erupt-in-france-after-police-shooting-of-17-year-old-nahel-with-a-lengthy-criminal-history-videos/
    Seems there are many lessons here. First one, if you’ve got a criminal history and the police stop you, lean into you, point guns directly at you…… don’t drive off.


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  41. Shy Ted says:

    What’s on the ABC wireless this morning? They’re letting it slip that super funds are “investing” your retirement savings in ruinables. They don’t quite put it like that – “attractive opportunities” “next generation” “smart investing”. And for some strange reason some of it is Indonesia. Watch this space.


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  42. Shy Ted says:

    AS SCOTUS shuts down affirmative action their ABC tells us rural and remote Indigenius kids have automatic places into uni where they study the humanities (which is almost impossible to fail). First semester, remedial maths and English.


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  43. johanna johanna says:

    First semester, remedial maths and English.

    I seriously doubt that a semester would be nearly enough for these unfortunate kids.

    Then, unless they are marked more leniently than the rest, they will probably fail.

    Way to grind them down even further.

    ‘Caring’ so-called progressives seem to have an unerring instinct for making things worse.


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  44. Shy Ted says:

    ‘Give it a rest’: Climbers urged to stay away during NAIDOC Week
    Fierce debate has erupted over calls for hikers to avoid the Glass House Mountains out of respect to Indigenous people during NAIDOC Week.

    Probably best not to breathe.


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  45. Shy Ted says:

    Police probe link between Valley knife rampage, suburban stabbing of three people, dog
    Police are investigating a potential link between a balaclava-clad gang involved in the stabbing of three people in Fortitude Valley early on Sunday with a suburban home invasion that left three people and a dog injured.

    Whatever could it be?


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  46. JohnJJJ says:

    Then, unless they are marked more leniently than the rest,
    I can guarantee that. Also they will get all sorts of ‘help’. There are whole departments in Unis/colleges for “Wellness”. They justify their existence by interfering in merit. Eventually we will have doctors, lawyers, aircraft engineers… who have been ‘helped’ to obtain their qualifications.


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  47. Shy Ted says:

    Is the “Welcome to Country” scam finally running dry? It’s had a good run, this “ancient ceremony” that was invented in 1976. But, in a classic tale of hubris, just when it’s become all-but-ubiquitous, the racket may finally be going broke.

    Not just because Australians are thoroughly sick of the empty virtue-signaling, and constant tacit implications that they don’t belong in their own country.

    But also because more and more Australians are waking up to the fact that it’s a cynical money-grab.

    Members of Broken Hill’s Aboriginal community have criticized a decision by its local council to stop paying them for undertaking Welcome to Country ceremonies […]

    Under the revision, Broken Hill’s traditional owners, the Wilyakali people, would still be invited to perform the ceremony, but at no financial cost to the council.

    Naturally, the grifters are miffed at their nice little earner coming a cropper.

    For Wilyakali woman Taunoa Bugmy, who has been performing the ceremony for more than 15 years at various events, it was a shock — especially during Reconciliation Week.

    “I’m heartbroken, I’m spiritually disrupted, I feel detached a little bit from my community, I feel outcasted,” Ms Bugmy said.

    And brokeded, too, no doubt.

    And the white folk are feeling hadded.

    Despite the criticism, BHCC Mayor Tom Kennedy said until recently he and many councilors were unaware the service was paid for.

    “For me, a welcome has to be given for it to be truly a welcome, as opposed to a paid statement,” he said.

    “If you’re paying for something, you’re paying for a statement.”

    And just in case you still harboured delusions that it isn’t a money-grab.

    But Ms Bugmy said the idea of paying for a Welcome to Country had been around for as long as she could remember, if not longer.

    She said youths performing in language were paid a flat rate of $150, more senior representatives like her received $250, while an official smoking ceremony cost $300.

    Ms Bugmy said it was important to note that those rates were several hundred — even thousands of dollars — lower than rates in larger cities like Sydney.

    So, what she means is that every time some white rando calling themselves “Aunty Bev Possum” or “Uncle Billy Noonuccle” whack on a bit of ochre and bore the pants off everyone at a school assembly, local council meeting, or footy match, they’re trousering a few grand in their lap-lap.

    What part of this isn’t screaming “scam”?

    As the mayor points out, if it’s such an ancient, sacred ceremony, why sully it with “coloniser’s” money?

    “It’s not [like we’re] removing the Welcome to Country. It’s removing a fee for service that most councillors didn’t even know existed,” he said.

    “I speak to a lot of Aboriginal people as well and I can tell you, there’s many out there that would do a Welcome to Country for free and don’t believe it should be charged out.”

    In a written statement on Friday, the Broken Hill Aboriginal Community Working Party (CWP) said members were “shocked and offended” by the decision.

    The CWP is now calling on the council to immediately withdraw its decision and meet members and traditional custodians to discuss how to put reconciliation back on track for the community.

    Well done Broken Hill


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  48. mh says:

    Tower of Terror

    A fire at Surfers Paradise supertower – the Q1 – has hospitalised 10 people, forced hundreds more to evacuate and closed surrounding streets.


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  49. mh says:

    The Age | Opinion

    The first rule of MCC Fight Club is know the rules of cricket

    I would have thought membership to the most famous club in cricket meant you understood the laws of the game.

    Andrew Webster
    Chief Sports Writer

    ***

    Exactly.

    Bogan riff raff.


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  50. Woolfe says:

    This guy is pretty good on twitter for French riots.

    He is an anti Israeli dick but other stuff not bad.

    https://twitter.com/WarMonitors


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  51. mh says:

    England are really letting themselves down with this toy- throwing carry on. Own it. Bairstow is stupid cv*! at times.

    OPINIONThe first rule of MCC Fight Club is know the rules of cricket


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  52. Old bloke says:

    kaysee says:
    July 2, 2023 at 7:36 pm

    The Voice Questions
    (Draft list)

    I think that the most important question didn’t make that list, it is “what exact wording will be added or changed in our constitution?”

    We are expected to vote yes or no to allow some pollies to make changes to the constitution. We haven’t been told what those changes are, just that we should trust them.

    Not bloody likely.


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  53. mh says:

    Macron should do this too

    Putin goes on rare walkabout days after failed coup

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8xGuPMXWw8


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  54. Old bloke says:

    Watching the France protests

    Watching those cars being ejected from a high-rise car park into the street below was memorable. It makes a change from the usual French car-be-que.

    Everything in the garden is in flames | MOATS with George Galloway Ep 252 – from the 5 minute mark.


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  55. Old bloke says:

    France is going to shut down their internet from 3/7. Which might be 4/7 here. Sacre bleu!

    Macron said that the cause of the violence in France is people playing violent computer games, hence the violence will stop when the internet is shut down.


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  56. Old bloke says:

    Tucker Carlson’s latest, from Robert Kennedy Jnr., vaccines, to UFOs and all sorts of other things.

    You NEED to run… NOW! – Elon Musk Alive – 32 minutes.


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  57. mh says:

    I’m liking some of this pushback against the entitled English cricket culture, even if it could be classed as woke.

    Khawaja’s class shines in Lord’s Long Room, where spirit of cricket is not all it seems

    By Chip Le Grand
    July 3, 2023 — 6.09pm

    … Footage from the Long Room shows that whatever was said in heat of those spiteful short moments stopped Khawaja in his in tracks. Where most Australian players shrugged or laughed off the abuse as they continued on to the dressing room, Khawaja confronted his hecklers with the same calmness he brings to a seaming pitch.

    “Some of the stuff that was coming out of the members’ mouths was pretty disappointing. I wasn’t just going to stand by and cop it. I just talked to a few of them.

    “A few of them were throwing out some pretty big allegations and I just called them up on it. They kept going and kept going.”

    This is the third time that Khawaja, the Muslim son of Pakistani immigrants and, according to former Australian captain Ricky Ponting, “probably the nicest man that’s ever walked on the planet”, has copped the worst of England.

    During the first Test at Edgbaston, when he was dismissed after a match-winning innings of 141, the foul-mouthed send-off he received from Ollie Robinson was jarringly out of place. Robinson was unapologetic for his actions, saying those who couldn’t handle an earful in an Ashes series, couldn’t handle much …


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  58. mh says:

    The Eton Rifles

    Sup up your beer and collect your fags
    There’s a row going on down near slough
    Get out your mat and pray to the west
    I’ll get out mine and pray for myself

    Thought you were smart when you took them on
    But you didn’t take a peep in their artillery room
    All that rugby puts hairs on your chest
    What chance have you got against a tie and a crest?

    Hello-hooray, what a nice day, for the Eton rifles, Eton rifles
    Hello-hooray, I hope rain stops play, with the Eton rifles, Eton rifles


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  59. mh says:

    The Age

    MOST VIEWED TODAY

    1. ‘Think about the spirit of the game’: England question Australian sportsmanship, Cummins fires back

    2. The first rule of MCC Fight Club is know the rules of cricket

    3. When the Lord’s Long Room turned feral on Australia

    lol


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  60. mh says:

    The great thing is, the next Test starts Thursday.

    Which could wrap up the series for Australia.

    This time they are up in Leeds. I hope Geoff Boycott gets stuck into England if they continue to slide.

    🍿🍿🍿


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  61. Interested observer says:

    A solar farm intended to last 25 years was wiped out in a 15-minute hailstorm:

    OOPS


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  62. Old bloke says:

    A solar farm intended to last 25 years was wiped out in a 15-minute hailstorm:

    That link didn’t work, here’s the same article at Watts Up With That. A multi-million dollar solar “farm” is now just a field of smashed glass, who would have thought this could happen?

    Huge Nebraska Solar Park Completely Smashed to Pieces by One Single Hailstorm!


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  63. Old bloke says:

    Nigel Farage’s banking problems highlights a difference in attitude between the Poms and the Yanks, the Poms will winge about a situation, the Yanks will organise and fight against it.

    Farage won’t even name the bank which closed his account, he won’t organise a protest against the bank, he could appeal to his fellow Poms to move their accounts from that bank elsewhere, but he won’t even name them.

    Contrast that with the Yank’s campaign against the trans ideology being forced down their throats, in particular the campaign against Bud Light beer. The brewers were named and shamed, their products were boycotted, and they felt real financial pain.

    Farage could organise a similar campaign in England against his bank, just name them and encourage his listeners who use that bank to close their accounts and move their money elsewhere. The bank’s directors would very quickly apologise to Farage and give him a big box of chocolates and a bunch of roses, the last thing any bank wants is the loss of a large number of customers.

    But, Farage won’t even name them.


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  64. Interested observer says:

    Farage could organise a similar campaign in England against his bank, just name them and encourage his listeners who use that bank to close their accounts and move their money elsewhere. The bank’s directors would very quickly apologise to Farage and give him a big box of chocolates and a bunch of roses, the last thing any bank wants is the loss of a large number of customers.

    I do not share your confidence. American banks have been doing exactly the same thing for up to a year – closing accounts because of a customer’s Twitter threads or Youtube – I have yet to see a counter campaign from outraged bank clients.


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  65. Old bloke says:

    I have yet to see a counter campaign from outraged bank clients.

    The difference is that Farage has a podium, he’s in the public spotlight so he could make a difference should he decide to do so.

    Nigel Farage cancelled by his bank with ‘no explanation’ – GBNews – 6 minutes.

    He won’t even name his bank.


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  66. mh says:

    ‘Same old Aussies – always winning’: PM hits back over cheating claims

    Nice one, Albo.


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  67. Old bloke says:

    Nice one, Albo.

    In other surprising good news from Albo, Australia has joined the BRICS nations in opposing the Pacific island nations shipping carbon tax proposal.

    Claim: Australia is Opposing an International Shipping Carbon Tax Proposal


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  68. JohnJJJ says:

    nations shipping carbon tax proposal
    “would introduce a $100 per tonne levy on maritime emissions in order to make cleaner fuels cost-competitive with the dirtier heavy fuel oil that is the industry standard.”
    .
    11 billion tonnes per year, I believe. That’s a cool 1.1 trillion dollars. Nice little earner. I wonder who gets it? How do I get in on this scam.


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  69. Shy Ted says:

    Where’s your money going this week?
    Safe Security Services? Noting about them being in Oz on the net. Mr Latham, get to work.


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  70. Old bloke says:

    Noting about them being in Oz on the net. Mr Latham, get to work.

    They are there Ted…

    SAFE SECURITY SERVICES

    About Us
    Security Professionals

    We at Safe Security Service take pride in our ability to provide highly trained professionals with diverse backgrounds. We are proud to say that we are an Aboriginal company who employ people of all nationalities.


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  71. mh says:

    England cricket legend Sir Geoffrey Boycott, 82, wrote in London’s Daily Telegraph on Monday that Australia should apologise for their actions.

    Despite saying he had always respected the tourists for “being fair-minded, tough competitors,” he argued the action wasn’t justified given Bairstow was not trying to seek an advantage.

    “If you want to win at all costs then cricket should not be for you,” he wrote.

    ***

    Geoff Boycott 5 days ago

    Geoffrey Boycott: Winning the ashes is all that matters | Vaughany & Tuffers Cricket Club Podcast

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCpxWCCtvw0

    lol


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  72. mh says:

    England’s ‘Bazball’ quickly becoming Spazball.


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  73. Shy Ted says:

    Vindicated! We didn’t introduce rabbits (or camels)-

    NITV Aussie Bush Tales Go Bungarra Go
    3:40PM – 3:55PM
    The Elder Moort was getting hungry for some Bungarra to eat so he sent the three Aboriginal boys to catch one. They were fooled by the old Bungarra and found a camel that was stuck in a rabbit warren.


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  74. kaysee kaysee says:

    I think that the most important question didn’t make that list, it is “what exact wording will be added or changed in our constitution?”

    Keep the questions coming. We need them not just for the prospective door knockers, but also for any Yes-voters we may meet. If a brainwashed Yesserr tells us that the indigenous people need a Voice to help with their health and education needs, ask:

    What has been happening to the 30+ billion dollars* handed out to indigenous causes, every year? If that much money has not improved the lives of the indigenous people, how will a Voice help?

    Will there be an investigation to show where and how this money was spent? After all, it is taxpayer money that the government has been giving out.

    If a Yessserr, talks about the hard work being done by Linda Burney, Bruce Pascoe, Noel Pearson to get the Voice through, ask:

    Are Burney, Pascoe and Pearson 100% indigenous? How much percent are they? Or how does one qualify? Is there a test?

    Some brainwashed Yesserr tells you that it is important to have the Voice in the Constitution, ask:

    Why should it be there and what exactly will be the wording? The Constitution is the most important document in the governing of the country. We need the details before we vote.
    No details = a No vote.

    Just because the polls at this point say that the Yes vote is down, let’s not relax. Don’t underestimate the Yes camp.

    (* I have been trying to find the source of this amount. I think there is some Productivity Commission report on it. This post is dated Nov 2020, but it provides a clue.

    ABC Host David Speers: A recent Productivity Commission report that was scathing of the way some $35 billion dollars a year is being spent in Indigenous funding for various programmes.)


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  75. kaysee kaysee says:

    Contrast that with the Yank’s campaign against the trans ideology being forced down their throats, in particular the campaign against Bud Light beer. The brewers were named and shamed, their products were boycotted, and they felt real financial pain.

    The Bud Light boycott is a landmark event – it shows how the mere plebs can make a change. I will be coming back to this Bud Lighting because there is something very important to note about this battle.

    Bud Light sales drop, forces glass plant to cut production

    New documents obtained by WRAL News show a drop in Bud Light sales forced a glass plant in Wilson to cut down bottle production starting in May.

    With Bud Light’s huge drop in sales, last week, the plant’s owner, the Ardagh group, announced it would be shutting down the factory in Mid-July, laying off close to 400 employees.


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  76. mh says:

    News Corp are getting into it too

    Exposed: the ‘home’ of cricket’s nasty underbelly

    The exclusive Marylebone Cricket Club is home to privilege and wealth, but there is also a nasty underbelly that was exposed on sinister Sunday writes Robert Craddock.

    And via SMH, former Tory PM John Major joins in

    Major, who led Britain from 1990 to 1997, said the “real breach” in the spirit of cricket occurred in the Long Room at Lord’s.

    “Which I think, whatever had happened on the field, whatever people thought about it, was unforgivable,” he said. “And I hope it will not happen again.”

    … Major last month wrote a foreword to a landmark report which found English cricket suffered from “widespread and deep-rooted” racism, sexism, elitism and class-based discrimination at all levels of the game and urgently needed reform.


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  77. Cold-Hands says:

    According to Albo’s press conference (23rd March, 2023):

    The question Australians will be asked at this year’s referendum is very a simple one. It will read:

    “A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice.

    Do you approve this proposed alteration?”

    That’s the question before the Australian people. Nothing more but nothing less.

    And the provisions Australians will be voting to approve, are as follows:

    Chapter IX Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples

    129 Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice

    In recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples as the First Peoples of Australia:

    There shall be a body, to be called the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice;

    The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice may make representations to the Parliament and the Executive Government of the Commonwealth on matters relating to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;

    The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws with respect to matters relating to the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice, including its composition, functions, powers and procedures.

    So once the ‘Voice’ is enshrined in the Constitution, what it can do, who it’s comprised of, & how it’s funded is subject to the whims of the current Parliament, subject to the fact that the body must exist and cannot be done away with without another constitutional referendum.


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  78. kaysee kaysee says:

    I have to admit that I am missing Twitter. I “follow” a number of news-filled accounts from which I get good links and sources of info that are not easy to find on other sites. The only “data scraping” I do is to copy some of the links and part of the tweets and post them here.

    And, of course, I steal the memes – only to share them on this blog.

    Is this all a temporary block to those of us who do not want a registered account? Is the problem just the data scraping or the cost of running the platform? I have seen some solutions offered to Musk that would reduce running costs but that would depend on his goal.

    Meanwhile, Zuck’s competitor to Twitter is supposed to launch on Thursday.
    Meta’s ‘Twitter Killer’ App Is Coming

    Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram, teased a new app called Threads that is set to take on Twitter for real-time digital conversations.


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  79. mh says:

    Mark Waugh names names in this video:

    4 Jul 2023
    Michael Vaughan joined Mark Waugh and Brad Haddin in the 3rd Ashes Preview show, where they had their say on the controversial Jonny Bairstow moment, + who their tip for the Third Test is.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T2odsqi0d8

    ***

    hawthorne00

    1 day ago
    It seems the three MCC members suspended are:

    Bartholomew Frinton-Smythe
    Humphrey Wigbert-Porter
    Quinten Breckenridge


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  80. kaysee kaysee says:

    It is early hours of the morning of July 4 in the US and the start of their independence day.

    It is also the day of the official opening of the film Sound of Freedom in above 2,600 locations. Even before that happens, the film has notched up $10M Presales.

    Many rivals are tracking this semi-faith-based, based-on-a-true-story title about about former Homeland Security agent Tim Ballard, who took rescuing abducted children around the globe into his own hands. They’re spotting a $20 million six-day start, impressive for a non-major-studio adult thriller. We’ll see how this plays out. Currently, more than 1 million tickets have been snapped up for Sound of Freedom.


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  81. Bartholomew Frinton-Smythe
    Humphrey Wigbert-Porter

    Could almost be Adelaide…


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  82. Interested observer says:

    A cruelty free Vegan bible

    Courtesy of PETA


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  83. Interested observer says:

    From behind the pay-wall – this is how Linda Burney visualises THE VOICE

    Burney now says that under her watch as minister, she will be directing the voice to advise her on better Indigenous policy outcomes across four priority areas: health, education, employment and housing.

    This is the first time the government has articulated such an explicit set of policy areas it expects the functions of the voice to concentrate on.

    Hmmmm – directing the voice?


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  84. Shy Ted says:

    ABC wireless this morning –
    The latest commenter on the Voice is…. American.
    Sports journo is still the Irish lass who can’t pronounce any of the names and has no interest in sport.
    Sarah Hanson Young gets soft interview about the Murray Darling and quotes the bureau and failed climate predictions to substantiate depriving farmers of water.
    Same old, same old.


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  85. mh says:

    Pfizer are supporting The Voice.

    That should be enough for anyone to make their decision. NO!


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  86. Shy Ted says:

    I think this is the best analysis of Elon and Twitter
    But I just watched PJW take which has merit, 3 minute vid which I can’t find today.
    Whichever it seems Twitter has been losing money for ever and probably subsidised by the US gummint (taxpayers). Dunno, too complex for me


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  87. Shy Ted says:

    Headline of the day Straya!
    ALso the “quarantine” centres are to be used for defence housing but also more defence housing near Darwin in trouble for clearing land that might endanger a pretty bird. Just where are all these new soldiers coming from? ABC journo didn’t ask.


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