Open Thread – Thursday 5 August 2021

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  1. struth says:

    Back benchers are concerned they are not really part of the elite.
    Some may think they are but aren’t really sure.
    They know if they are members of the UNiparties they must keep their traps shut.
    But they are rats that will abandon a sinking ship if they can be conned into thinking it’s going down.
    Self worded letters to your reps where you ask nothing…you demand…from all over this country as that’s where cats live is my suggestion.
    We don’t have to be just a blog narrating our own demise.
    Letters and emails worded differently but with the same message validates each others letters.
    IMHO.


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  2. struth says:

    Listen bird.
    You’re not that bright.
    My point is to make those aspousing the PCR tests as a reason to lock us up to prove it.
    We know they can’t. …and that’s the point.
    You’re demented racism is rotting your brain.
    You used to be smarter than This.
    Now you just make noise for the sake of it.


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  3. MatrixTransform says:

    thanks Tom … and sorry for interrupting


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  4. MatrixTransform says:

    struth,
    I emailed my local member (labor) a bit last year and got nothing back. Nil

    a week or two ago his office started firing off self-congratulatory emails
    look at our rail crossing removal!!
    see how our covid response is awesome !!

    the last one was something about ‘reaching out to businesses’ …etc
    my reply was one line … Fuck off, Tim

    at least I did get a personalized response about removing me from the email list.

    still, it probably just means my emails to: get sorted into the spam folder from now on


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  5. Mark A says:

    LOL😅
    Is a lefty vindictive?
    Will he delete posts he does not like or posts by persons he does not like?

    I’ll be a second Sinclare he says.
    What a laugh.

    I never visited Monty’s site yet, not out of spite or anything, simply I have better things to do than visit the mushrooming number of alternative Cat sites..

    Anyhow, I was alerted, that Nelson_Kidd-Players a link posted to my Lame pics over there on this blog.

    Now, I couldn’t give a single hoot who looks or not looks at them, it is a whimsy of mine to post them at the end of the day to relax and they have a wide audience outside of the Cat territory.

    To cut it short, I was told that they were removed forthwith, I don’t know if it was me or a link to this forum that was objectionable, but whatever it was I think of it as a cheap, petty act.
    For God’s sake they were just pictures.
    Imagine it someone had written a scathing article about something close to Monty’s heart?
    Fair and unbiased?
    Yeah right.


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  6. Mark A says:

    Need a preview pane for certain.


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  7. jupes says:

    Looks like Bird is making a sustained assault on the new Cat.

    Adam needs to be as vigilant as Sinc was or this site won’t last long.


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  8. struth says:

    I got this from someone high up who won’t post it herself.

    I did some research yesterday. Go look for yourself.. the world of the evil is small.
    Dr. Jeanette Young’s husband is Professor Graeme Nimmo. He’s the Director of Queensland pathology and into Genomic sequencing (ie. variants, so that detail comes from his office) and also funnily enough he is a founding member of something called AGAR who are affiliated with Australian Society for Antimicrobials of which Prof Nimmo is a committee member and which Pfizer is a corporate sponsor.
    He has served on advisory board for Pfizer before too, so the push for Pfizer is a blatant conflict of interest, the governors back pocket will be getting a filling. There are other names like Thomas Gottleib and Geoff Coombs in the same group that came up a few times through this. But I didn’t look into them – anyone else have any interest in delving further?
    Next connection is Australian Philanthropist billionaire couple Andrew and Nicola Forrest who have ‘Minderoo Foundation’, and have direct ties to The Gates foundation, had hooked up through his ‘contacts’ for The Australian Govt to source millions of testing kits to come from BGI (Beijing Genomics Institute), direct from China. Guess who also has a business relationship with them? Henry palaszczuk – Anastacia’s father and Ex Qld MP, who founded a DNA storage company (trillion dollar industry apparently) called GTA foundation, and who held a conference on their strategy etc in Sept 2019 in China which is hush hush. I think he also is involved with Chinese company under his other name he uses ‘Beileqi’ who manufacture monitoring and electrical equipment and Smart grid stuff. Now Henry and Prof Graeme Nimmo are about the same age in their 70’s or there abouts, something tells me they’re close because they both have the Genomics interest.
    Not only this, but BGI Australia have their lab in Herston, the same location as Qld pathology – the same place Professor Nimmo works!! (Is all DNA from the tests stored? – I think this is highly likely!) 😳
    Bill Gates also funds BGI projects.. covid 19 and Genomics ones at that!!


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  9. struth says:

    Not a worthy exercise

    …….

    This is what I picked up on, Bird.

    It is very much a worthy exercise to make those who are holding us hostage because of a virus prove that it exists and that the tests work and can pick out covid..
    All of us know the tests are useless and some of us realise that covid is probably just the seasonal flu.
    We know the jabs kill.
    No one has yet proven a healthy person in the entire world, has died of covid.
    Seems like a big claim to make, doesn’t it.
    But it’s the truth.
    Just to get some perspective on the global gaslighting going on by the globalist elite.
    It’s just too much for people to believe.
    So fine.
    Give us the proof.
    Show us the disease.
    Show us the test and how it works.
    The age and comorbidity of the deaths.
    Why cases mean anything.
    Why not one “accredited journalist” has been able to ask one hard question while the jpournalists that would are banned from interviews.
    Bugger must go to work.

    Let’s go the proof angle.
    It seemed to work in Alberta.
    THE FUCKERS COULD NOT PROVIDE PROOF COVID EXISTS.
    Crime of the millennium.


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  10. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Mr Bird.

    You know that soon, they will come for you. Right?

    Right?


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  11. Dot says:

    struth

    You can’t have gain of function research into and COVID “not existing”.


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  12. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Excellent commentary in The Hun from Small Business Australia Executive Director Bill Lang:

    ‘“Wednesday was a perfect example of all that is wrong in the state of Victoria, despite people unable to visit relatives and tight restrictions on the ability for businesses to trade, we saw the chief health officer of Victoria wasting his time on Twitter celebrating a ‘zero’ day that wasn’t, and the message from small business owners across this state to Mr. Sutton and other senior members of government who seem overly addicted to posting images of doughnuts on social media is that there is nothing to celebrate in your handling of the pandemic.

    ‘“You have overseen multiple failures of containment, over 800 deaths in Australia’s number one lockdown state and have asked small business owners to bear the financial cost of the pandemic, whilst bearing none yourself.’


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  13. Figures says:

    1. There’s a virus.
    2. The virus is novel.
    3. It’s killing people.
    4. It’s going to kill lots of people.
    5. People who die of a virus are more important than people who die of anything else.
    6. Public health “experts” will have the best ideas to stop it killing lots of people.
    7. We must obey public health experts.
    8. We aren’t allowed to evaluate or question any of their orders no matter how often they contradict themselves.

    90 per cent of those on the Right accepted every single one of those points except point 8.

    We should have argued against all of them but particularly against points 1, 2 and 3.

    This should be obvious. The vast majority of people argue and think within the scope of acceptable discourse. If they’re too busy trying to persuade you the virus is real then their head won’t let them even contemplate lockdowns or masks or forced vaccines.


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  14. Mark A says:

    Good idea if it works as expected.

    Russian medical exoskeletons to be sold in the US to help people walk again


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  15. rocinante says:

    Dot says:
    August 6, 2021 at 6:34 am

    You can’t have gain of function research into and COVID “not existing”.
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    Good morning Dot.
    That’s because you are confusing two separate things.

    The “gain if function” research was into the coronavirus, which is a very common virus that causes the common cold. It comes in a multitude of variants and is constantly mutating into new ones. Proving the existence of coronavirus is easy – a snot sample from any kid with a cold will do.

    Covid 19 is an alleged specific variant of one mutation of coronavirus. It is this specific mutation variant which was impossible to prove the existence of in the Canadian court.


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  16. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Frost Giant Rebellion.

    Check your email.


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  17. Dot says:

    Dayglo friends are gonna dayglo.


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  18. rocinante says:

    Good morning Cardimona,

    Your link leads straight back to here.


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  19. Knuckle Dragger says:

    I find it interesting that our betters in Canberra and the prefectures have moved from believing themselves to be Churchillian or Thatcher-esque figures, leading the people back from the edge of never-before-seen perils, to untrained impatient primary school teachers.

    ‘Julian and Xander. No. NO! One more word and nobody goes to the museum on Thursday!’

    The increasing shrillness and ‘Don’t you know who I am?’ would be hilarious, if it were not for the permanent damage to adolescents and small business these people are directly responsible for.


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  20. custard says:

    Further to my post yesterday morning about SPC and compulsory vaccination, where are they situated? Victoria or NSW?

    Do any Cats know of any statements from elected members who are going to block this ?


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  21. 132andBush says:

    mh from 10:31 last night.
    C’mon Neil. This isn’t Sinc’s blog anymore. We can do better that.
    Politicians and CHOs need to be killed for crimes against the Australian people.
    Public hangings, starting with Dr Jeanette Young. Ladies first.

    Idiot.


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  22. Cardimona says:

    Coding fail…
    Second attempt – the future of feral cats?
    https://imgur.com/a/vG6Wwb6


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  23. H B Bear says:

    Anyone hoping from rational leadership from Chairman Dan going forward is set for great disappointment. He is now unafraid of the eunuchs he calls colleagues and terrified that the Chinese bug can bring him down.

    Not a good combination.


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  24. Top Ender says:

    Mungo remains ‘must not be lost’
    EXCLUSIVE
    VICTORIA LAURIE

    The scientist who traced the origin of Europe’s neolithic Iceman Otzi says Australia should follow the example of Iceman’s burial by reburying Mungo Man and other ancient Aboriginal skeletons in a respectful keeping place.

    Federal Environment Minister Sussan Ley is due to announce soon if she will allow the bones of Mungo Man to be reburied within the Willandra Lakes World Heritage Area. The Mungo Man remains are Australia’s oldest and the discovery in 1974 rewrote the nation’s prehistory.

    The NSW government requires federal ministerial signoff to go ahead with the reburial plans, which it claims are in line with traditional owner wishes to return them to the earth after decades of research.

    Mungo Man’s finder, professor Jim Bowler, says putting the remains in unmarked graves at 26 sites is “shameful”, robbing the world of further research and a proper monument to those first Australians.

    “We have to seek a compromise to create a reburial that is a moment of celebration on a national scale, not one covered in a veil of secrecy,” he said.

    Forensic geochemist Wolfgang Muller, who used isotopes in tiny teeth fragments to identify the birthplace of Iceman – found in The Alps in 1991 – said the important human mummy had been entombed in his home valley in the Tyrol region, in a purpose-built tomb.

    “It showcases the archaeological context very well, co-ordinates research, but also represents a tourist attraction and a focal point for the local community,” he said.

    Professor Muller has previously worked with Aboriginal groups to identify the birthplace of Indigenous people whose skeletons were returned to Australia from overseas museums.

    He said the 40,000-year-old Mungo Lakes skeletal remains should not be buried “in an uncontrolled, secret manner” in unmarked graves.

    “It would render them meaningless, both for the local people as well as, on a global scale, those interested in finding out more about our species’ past,” he said.

    “The Willandra remains are of crucial relevance to Aboriginal history and to the settlement of the continent of Australia. We need to do our utmost to support the local Aboriginal communities to keep these remains safe for them.”

    Professor Bowler and a team of archaeologists unearthed Mungo Man after he spotted human bones protruding from the dry lake surface in 1974. Professor Bowler also found the remains of Mungo Lady in 1968.

    Research determined that the pair were modern homo sapiens who had been buried in elaborate funeral rituals, including evidence of one of the world’s earliest cremations.

    Professor Bowler said he understood Ms Ley was “in a bind” because different Aboriginal community elders were unable to agree on the best form of reinterment.

    “I hope she will invite them to get together and seek consensus on what to do with their ancestral remains,” he said.

    “I’m optimistic she will seek a compromise.”

    Oz print edition


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  25. Mater says:

    On the issue of vaccine symptoms.
    After getting the first Pfizer shot, Mrs Mater started suffering symptoms in her fingers and knuckles which replicated early onset rheumatoid arthritis. It certainly looks like it, rest assured.

    It has progressively got worse over the weeks and, given it runs in her family, she went for the appropriate tests. Negative (for now). She is wondering what’s going on. She didn’t even consider the vaccine as a possible cause.

    Me, well when mysterious stuff suddenly appears, I always go back to the starting question – What’s changed?

    Anyway, it didn’t take too long on Google (or much curiosity) to find this in The Lancet:

    Therefore, it is not fully known whether these vaccines might provoke flares of underlying rheumatic conditions as a result of immune activation or non-specific adjuvant effects. There are reports of other vaccines, such as those against tetanus, rubella, hepatitis B, and influenza, triggering rheumatoid arthritis, but causality has never been proven and an association has never been reproduced in large, controlled studies.

    We’ll see how it goes.


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  26. sfw says:

    May have lost a very old friend last night, known him since I was 10, I’m now 65, he’s a year younger. He went through a bad divorce last year and lost almost everything, he’s been working casual jobs since and has been looking for work. He rang me and said that he started online training for a position as a Covid Authorised Officer for the Vic Gov. Stated that it’s a VPSG4 position, around a $100k a year plus penalties.

    I said that I understood his needs however he did realise that essentially it was a Stasi style position and that he would be enforcing state oppression of it own people. He didn’t see it that way, after all he was going to be paid to not see it that way. Told him that I was very disappointed with him and asked does he get a uniform and if so what colour is it? He does get a uniform and it’s black.

    There goes a 55 year friendship.


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  27. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Grigory M says:
    August 6, 2021 at 12:16 am
    mh says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:31 pm

    Adam – if you are not already up to speed on the Criminal Code, perhaps you should add it to your list of priorities. Comments such as the one noted above are likely to be a problem for not just the person who made them but also for you as the blog owner.”

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    LOL…this is the same creepy legal expert who insisted, only two days ago, that Holocaust denial was not a crime in this country.


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  28. johanna says:

    Mater, I hope that Mrs Mater’s symptoms are transient. I really do.

    Arthritic hand(s) is something I know all about, and it is not a trivial thing. In my case, it’s the right hand, which means that some days I can’t even hold a pen, let alone write or sign anything. Thank goodness for keyboards.

    It certainly seems odd that this happened out of the blue after the injection. Not conclusive, but concerning.

    Please let us know how it pans out.


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  29. Mater says:

    He rang me and said that he started online training for a position as a Covid Authorised Officer for the Vic Gov. Stated that it’s a VPSG4 position, around a $100k a year plus penalties.

    When they are specifically recruiting for such full time positions, you know this isn’t going away.


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  30. johanna says:

    sfw, very sad.

    Losing old friends like that when you are no longer young is a big wrench, as several of us here have mentioned. They can’t be replaced.


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  31. calli says:

    Top o’ the mornin’, Cats.

    Off down Thunderbolt’s Way today and into the loving arms of GladLock! Rumour has it of panic buying in the Bay, so the shops here will get a quick visit before we leave.

    Fortunately the place is big enough not to warrant Dirty Looks directed at out-of-towners.


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  32. Rohan says:

    Custard, SPC is located in Shepparton, NE Victoriastan.


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  33. Twostix says:

    Full court press to go after the children this week.

    Delta game changer: Masks for under-12s on the cards

    Demonic.

    Line in the sand.


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  34. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Mark A says:
    August 6, 2021 at 5:30 am”

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    Thanks for that Mark A. Am not surprised. I will steer clear of his site.


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  35. Twostix says:

    Labor dumped thousands of Muslims in shepparton.

    Then a Muslim now runs SPC in shepparton.

    Then that muslim is the first to order all employees to get the vaccines or be fired.

    Useful right.


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  36. custard says:

    Thanks Rohan

    Oh that’s a problem then, just like Western Australia there is no opposition in Victoriastan.


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  37. Mater says:

    Thanks Johanna. It has her worried; more so that they couldn’t diagnose the cause.
    In a strange twist, she’s now more upset than if they’d found a positive diagnosis of arthritis.

    I agree, though. Concerning, but far from conclusive.


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  38. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Don’t know if anyone has put this up but there is a petition about whether companies should be able to force employees to be vaccinated: so far the No is 63% hope it can go higher.


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  39. Tintarella di Luna says:

    Thank god, is there some semblance of the nations democratic institution beginning to slowly assert itself against this lunatic junta?

    I’ve just sent Senator Patrick a thank you note for actually doing some representing given that so many elected representatives aren’t doing a thing. his email address is:
    senator.patrick@aph.gov.au


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  40. m0nty says:

    Avi Yemini had a security guard at a protest and still got beat up, LOL. He can’t even get a bloke he is paying to be his friend to be his friend.


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  41. Baba says:

    Despite Rosie’s best efforts it appears Monty’s phatpussy.com is now D.E.A.D.

    The tribe has spoken.


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  42. rosie says:

    That’s the second time you’ve cut short a trip because of the powers that be Calli, lockdowns for everybody.


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  43. Diogenes says:

    Monty,
    you condone beating up coppers then?


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  44. Wally Dalí says:

    The parliamentary opposition should not be the only savior here Custard- what about the unions, the radio dj’s, the letters to the editor, the man on the side of the road with a placard-
    God help them, what about the act of an employee walking?


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  45. custard says:

    Yemini was assaulted by a thug copper. Montifa supports violence against people doing their job.

    What a wanker!


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  46. egg_ says:

    “Prove the PCR tests can discern the virus from other viruses or even whether the virus is living or dead.”

    If a virus isn’t “life”, how can it be “dead”?


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  47. Mater says:

    Avi Yemini had a security guard at a protest and still got beat up, LOL. He can’t even get a bloke he is paying to be his friend to be his friend.

    The other guy was ‘allegedly’ a cop, armed by the state, and paid for through his taxes.
    Keep showing your true colours, Monty. Nothing changes, history has seen your like before.


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  48. Indolent says:

    Leak is well off the reservation with that one. Awful.


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  49. egg_ says:

    “Yemini was assaulted by a thug copper. Montifa supports violence against people doing their job.

    What a wanker!”

    But, but… Birdie num nums!


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  50. Baba says:

    Get back to phatpussy.com, Monty. There’s no one there, the door’s been left open and the screen door is flapping in the breeze. Tumbleweeds rolling down the street.


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  51. egg_ says:

    “Bill Gates is involved in the evil Frankenfood plot, as well as the fatal jabs.”

    And says he enjoys a hamburger – but it’s cricket powder and mealworms for you, peasant!


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  52. Zipster says:

    “Mungo Man’s finder, professor Jim Bowler, says putting the remains in unmarked graves at 26 sites is “shameful”, robbing the world of further research and a proper monument to those first Australians.”

    first australians now? not first nations. even calling them aboriginals is taboo.

    the fake compassion of the left is distasteful and repugnant


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  53. Mother Lode says:

    Unfortunate, sfw.

    I suppose for him the, after a rugged year, the job may have seemed a lifeline.

    I hope your friendship survives all. 55 years is a lot to lose.


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  54. rickw says:

    Avi Yemini had a security guard at a protest and still got beat up, LOL. He can’t even get a bloke he is paying to be his friend to be his friend.

    You fat stupid piece of shit. The only reason Avi has a security guard is because Vikpol kept arresting him “for his safety”. If Avi’s security guard had slugged the Vikpol fascist they would have both been arrested and charged, and you’d be here masturbating about right wing violence. Fuck off back to your own cat.


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  55. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Tintarella di Luna says:
    August 6, 2021 at 8:09 am”

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    Thanks Tinta…I will do the same.


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  56. rosie says:

    Im just interested to see who’s checking.

    Are you guilty as charged monty?


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  57. Ruprecht says:

    What is Monty doing here? He can’t troll an empty room I spose.


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  58. lotocoti says:

    The Hiroshima anniversary rolls around again and the best counter to
    It stopped the war didn’t it!
    the ComIntern proxies at CND can come up with is:
    What a thing to say. Was it necessary to stop a war that shouldn’t have started?


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  59. rickw says:

    LOL…this is the same creepy legal expert who insisted, only two days ago, that Holocaust denial was not a crime in this country.

    And the post in question simply suggested that those committing the crimes should be tried and that those found guilty should be subject to capital punishment.


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  60. Boambee John says:

    twostix says:
    August 5, 2021 at 10:44 pm
    When Labor win the next election, with One Nation holding the balance of power in the Senate and god willing a few lower house seats, I want Labor to make public every single damaging document out of Scommos little traitorous “shadow government” that he setup inside the Commonwealth from the last 18 months.

    The Labor premiers will ensure that this does not happen.


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  61. Ruprecht says:

    Twostix says:
    August 6, 2021 at 8:02 am
    Labor dumped thousands of Muslims in shepparton.

    Then a Muslim now runs SPC in shepparton.

    Then that muslim is the first to order all employees to get the vaccines or be fired.

    Useful right.
    —————————————————————————————————————————————

    Any link for that ? My mail is the production manager is a guy called Matt Rogers.


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  62. Eyrie says:

    Nuclear weapons are wonderful. Unless you have a hankering to have been an infantryman storming ashore in Murmansk or similar in a giant re-run of D-Day.


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  63. Sancho Panzer says:

    Ruprecht.
    Are you Nick, Leigh Lowe or Bespoke?
    We need to know.


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  64. mh says:

    What’s monty doing here?


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  65. rocinante says:

    Good morning Wally.

    In answer to your question there is no parliamentary opposition to speak of anymore, the unions are fully in bed with what is going down, as are most TV and radio personalities and the print media. The man on the side of the road with a placard will probably get arrested by compliant thug cops, and walking off the job will almost certainly get you fired.

    There is only one viable way forward now, short of violence. If they represent the Liberal, Labor or National party mail your local federal and state members and tell them you will be numbering them last in the next election. That way, come what may, you will be depriving them of your vote despite our rigged compulsory preferential voting system.

    If you live in NSW which has optional preferential voting, or Tasmania where they have a mix, tell them you won’t be recording a vote for them at all.

    If enough people do it it will put more than the fear of God into these pricks. It will threaten their current position with their snouts firmly the pig trough of Australian politics.


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  66. Zipster says:

    Monster is a rather shallow thinker, you can see that just reading his version of the cat.

    Doesn’t understand free speech at all, quite happy to have “behemoths” censor each other so long as they don’t censor him. A fool


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  67. MatrixTransform says:

    LOL. He can’t even get a bloke he is paying to be his friend

    look at you cheering on while the state’s Authorised Violence Distributors attack the media.

    if they were nazi, you’d punch them right?

    you great big meringue


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  68. lotocoti says:

    While Bird was allowing his brain worms free rein,
    I was reading a little of the pogroms in Romania during the thirties and 40s.
    Even their national hero, Vlad Tepes, would’ve been sickened by some of the bestial acts.


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  69. rickw says:

    He does get a uniform and it’s black.

    There goes a 55 year friendship.

    There’s going to be a lot of this. Naturally exactly the same thing happened happened in previous fascist regimes, pay = loyalty. Same has been done in engineering and construction with all the government vanity projects. Dickhead Dan’s big build is about building Dickhead a big support base.


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  70. mh says:

    Another Johannes Leak capitulation to the corporate narrative.

    Sad.


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  71. Top Ender says:

    Moral outrage at ‘sinners’ in the age of woke

    JOHN CARROLL

    Harry Potter is being phased out in a Perth bookshop because author JK Rowling has heretical views on sex and gender. This act is not some marginal aberration but is typical of progressive opinion today. These are the times we live in. A new Spanish Inquisition is upon us, driving with the virulence of a Reformation religious war – proscribing, in this case, the most popular children’s books published.

    Heresy trials and witch-hunts are recurring without any framework of religious belief or supporting theological categories of divine wrath, sin and damnation. The word sin has become archaic. So how is it that people still can be persecuted for their opinions?

    Sin virtually has disappeared from everyday discourse, public or private. Yet for much of Western history it served as the pivotal moral concept, the means for judging behaviour. The Jewish prophets railed: “Sinners repent or be damned!” Christian theology, under the influence of Paul, stressed that individual salvation was the only worthwhile goal in life, and it depended on a life conducted without sin. To lead a life largely free from sin was, at death, to enter the kingdom of God. This theology was complemented by the doctrine that Jesus died to take on the sins of the world.

    Sin became obsolete once it was uncoupled from a religious conception of salvation. Once the bad has no link to some supernatural order of judgment, once there is no God to set the rules and to pray to for instruction and forgiveness, then the bad exists purely as a secular moral category.

    The seven deadly sins of medieval Christianity illustrate. Pride, greed, avarice, lust, sloth, anger and envy are as present in human behaviour as ever. Most of the seven sins today would be regarded as character flaws unless they trigger crimes. Such is the case for people who are vainly narcissistic, gorge their food or get blind drunk, glory in possessions or are driven by uncontrollable sexual desire, are lazy and idle, hot-tempered or envy the success or superiority of others. These people would not be categorised as sinners or deemed to be criminals. But there is social judgment and condemnation, usually carrying some moral inflection.

    The fading of sin occurred during the 20th century, especially after World War II. In 1972 Karl Menninger was lamenting Whatever Became of Sin in a book of that title. Menninger’s concern was misplaced: he should rather have been grappling with the determining factor, the steady Western collapse of belief in God.

    With the external frame gone, the modern Western individual turned inwards, dependent on their psychological resources. Sin had been replaced by existential doubt, inner unease and dispositional guilt. Guilt internalised in the individual took over as the reservoir of culpability.

    Sin has continued to slip in occasionally, in disguise, through the side door. When Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg declaimed in speeches at Davos and the UN in 2019: “Our house is on fire” and “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction … how dare you!”, she was accusing the entire adult generation of sinning against nature. Here is a kind of social sin rather than the traditional individual sin. There are echoes of the Old Testament concept of a sinful people.

    But, despite Thunberg’s moral outrage and holy self-righteousness, evoking a mood of religious damnation, the word sin was not used. The biblical language of apocalypse seems forced and anachronistic, belonging more to the netherlands of paranoia than to mainstream discourse. At the same time, collective moral outrage such as that expressed by Thunberg continues to surge in the modern secular West.

    Highly charged rhetoric is being levelled against people deemed to be climate change deniers, racists, misogynists, homophobes, elitists and other exploiters of disadvantage, accompanied by calls for them to be silenced, sacked, prosecuted, stigmatised and socially ostracised.

    And periodic law-and-order tirades of the “lock ’em up and throw away the key” tenor can develop a crusading momentum that takes them way beyond any rational fears of a dangerous criminal living down the street.

    Hatred directed towards others because of their beliefs, hatred to the extreme of wanting them removed from the communal domain, shamed and shunned, seems to be a primal emotion, springing up unprompted from the individual unconscious.

    We may conclude, extrapolating backwards into the past, that the theology used to justify heresy trials in earlier times was mere rationalisation. That is, it was surface justification and an excuse for common psychopathological drives. The predominant three – envy, resentment and xenophobic fear of difference – are dark passions, pre-verbal ones. They, in turn, may have been triggered by more general, free-floating fear, sometimes rational – of sickness, poverty, war – or more abstract worry.

    In other words, righteous indignation does not need a supporting theory. In practice it may well employ one – as today with diversity, inclusiveness and so forth – to proclaim its singular virtue and justify its crimes. But that theory is no more than decorative icing on the cake of malice.

    Bleak implications for human self-esteem derive from the conclusion that any theology of sin is mere rationalisation to allow insiders to persecute those they don’t like with a good conscience, even though that is only one function of a theology of sin. That conclusion implies that a competitive will to power is at the core of human drives. The power impulse is ever near: to triumph over others, to suppress them, even to maim them, and to do so under a banner of virtue. Gossip often is a more modest expression of the same malicious impulse.

    Accordingly, the civilising process, and the inhibitions it develops to control individual instincts, becomes necessary to enable tolerably orderly and peaceful social relations and a flourishing society. However, the civilised surface inevitably will be disturbed by eruptions of persecution mania. The warning follows that because a society such as ours is stable, orderly and relatively free from violence – civilised – this does not mean it has eradicated the dark passions.

    Visceral envy, resentment and xenophobia may have been more visible in the less inhibited European Middle Ages and more immediately explosive, yet their power and intensity seem hardly diminished in the contemporary West. Perhaps they have become better disguised, more devious in expression, but no less sadistic in intent and no less hypocritical in acting behind a rationalising mask of virtue.

    John Carroll is professor emeritus of sociology at La Trobe University.

    Oz print edition


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  72. MatrixTransform says:

    What’s monty doing here?

    same as always … masturbating


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  73. egg_ says:

    “Monster is a rather shallow thinker, you can see that just reading his version of the cat.

    Doesn’t understand free speech at all, quite happy to have “behemoths” censor each other so long as they don’t censor him. A fool”

    A Leftoid herd creature where thugs (like Andrews) rulz, m’kay?


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  74. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Sancho Panzer says:
    August 6, 2021 at 8:43 am
    Ruprecht.
    Are you Nick, Leigh Lowe or Bespoke?
    We need to know.”

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    I know who you are…..and it’s good that you’re here.


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  75. mh says:

    ‘And the post in question simply suggested that those committing the crimes should be tried and that those found guilty should be subject to capital punishment.’

    Exactly, Rickw.
    There are a few slow ones here.


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  76. egg_ says:

    “Same has been done in engineering and construction with all the government vanity projects.”

    STEMtards currying favour who don’t necessarily believe the narrative.


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  77. min says:

    Lots of Sudanese in Shepparton ,friend’s sister runs some sort of help service up there . I gathered many are Christians . I would think many who work for SPC are Sudanese . In Shepparton , the growing, picking and processing of produce all connected to SPC .


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  78. Mother Lode says:

    Are there ex-Cats who have moved to Monty’s site?


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  79. egg_ says:

    “look at you cheering on while the state’s Authorised Violence Distributors attack the media.”

    Andrews Keystone Kops being exposed globally.


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  80. johanna says:

    Quite right, Rick.

    After decimating the economy, desperate people will be offered jobs by the regime that destroyed their livelihoods.

    It’s evil.


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  81. egg_ says:

    BIGgles sailing under other colours?

    Unheard of.


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  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “There are reports of other vaccines, such as those against tetanus, rubella, hepatitis B, and influenza, triggering rheumatoid arthritis, but causality has never been proven and an association has never been reproduced in large, controlled studies.”

    Many, probably most, vaccines can cause reactions, thankfully most of them small and transient. There is a price to pay in population terms for overall population vaccine status. This has always been known. They can also activate dormant viruses, again only temporarily in most cases, e.g. Epstein Barr. One reason I prefer the AZ to Pfizer is that it does not seem to produce the range of neurological side-effects that have come to light in the US with Pfizer, most of them mild, but occasionally not. Both vaxes can cause very rare blood clotting, although AZ seems to cause more of that. The Thrombosis with Thrombocytopaenia Syndrome is however increasingly treatable, so again, AZ seems a better choice if you opt for a vax, as other side-effects are mostly transient and ‘flu-like. All vaccines can cause a rare anaphylaxis. Clotting within the first four days after AZ vaccination is said to be unlikely to be caused by the vaxx (blood clots are common in the population regardless), as the vax will not have had time to mount a signifcant clotting capability in the ACE2 cells lining blood vessels in such a short time.

    Forcing people to have vaccines is always wrong, hence persuasion has always been the key to population coverage. Treatments also have role. Overstating the incidence of side-effects can cause vaccine hestitancy as can reliance on unverified reports of immediate or long-term harm. Australia is in a particularly onerous self-inflicted situation re Covid. We have a totally unexposed population with little natural immunity. People here have never seen Covid’s killing capacity (possibly questionable anyway) so why would they consider a vax with hyped up side-effects?

    We can do nothing other than open up after setting a date and then looking to see what the outcome is. If hospitals start to fill, people will either stay home (self-lockdown) or get a vax then. Some may die. Their choice.


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  83. Mater says:

    I know who you are…..and it’s good that you’re here.

    True, but Panzers never quite measured up to Tigers.
    Let’s see how he goes.


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  84. Boambee John says:

    Bushkid

    I’m busy enough keeping my head above water, on my own in my seventh decade, earning my own living, finding some joy in life, doing my best to keep ahead of the bastards who are trying to ruin our country, and keep informed partly through finding useful and sensible information at various places, including this forum. I’m not interested in bitchfights, either as spectator or participant – that goes for the other tit-for-tat commenters as well – hence my comment. I made my observation, offered mature advice in a mature manner, that’s it. Get over it or not as you choose, I really couldn’t care less, I have more important things to be concerned with.

    Others here could well take heed of this sound advice.


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  85. incoherent rambler says:

    Are there ex-Cats who have moved to Monty’s site?

    Yes.
    We know who they are. They have been marked.


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  86. rosie says:

    Incidentally Nelson’s link to lame pics is still at Monty’s

    It points to the top of this page though.

    I suppose people making specific allegations should check the veracity first.


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  87. H B Bear says:

    rickw at 8:52 am
    There’s going to be a lot of this. Naturally exactly the same thing happened happened in previous fascist regimes, …

    Yep. The list of stuff that is off limits for discussion with friends continues to grow. Exactly as intended.


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  88. rosie says:

    Marked for what?


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  89. johanna says:

    Harry Potter is being phased out in a Perth bookshop because author JK Rowling has heretical views on sex and gender. This act is not some marginal aberration but is typical of progressive opinion today. These are the times we live in. A new Spanish Inquisition is upon us, driving with the virulence of a Reformation religious war – proscribing, in this case, the most popular children’s books published.
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    Going after popular children’s books is a key strategy of the Left.

    They have targeted Enid Blyton, Dr Seuss and now Rowling.

    When they go after Anne of Green Gables, they will hear from me, often and loudly.

    The problem they have is that despite forcing public libraries and schools to buy their lame ‘woke’ children’s books, usually authored by their friends and associates, children and their parents didn’t get the memo.

    They stubbornly keep on buying books that they like.


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  90. Top Ender says:

    The Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks saved the lives of around 30 million people, who would have died if the war had continued conventionally.

    My book arguing this came out last year: https://www.bigskypublishing.com.au/books/atomic-salvation/

    Apart from one lady on a US radio talk show who gave me a savaging, the reaction seems to be good.


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  91. m0nty says:

    Anyhow, I was alerted, that Nelson_Kidd-Players a link posted to my Lame pics over there on this blog.

    Now, I couldn’t give a single hoot who looks or not looks at them, it is a whimsy of mine to post them at the end of the day to relax and they have a wide audience outside of the Cat territory.

    To cut it short, I was told that they were removed forthwith, I don’t know if it was me or a link to this forum that was objectionable, but whatever it was I think of it as a cheap, petty act.

    I have removed no comments. There are two comments in the Trash folder, one of them is me testing, the other is someone pretending to be Sinc.

    Comments with more than one link are put into moderation, but there is currently nothing in moderation.


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  92. mh says:

    Government vaxxxine ads in the US have a new message – even black hustlers must get the shot:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQh2up5JKow


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  93. Professor Higgins says:

    rocinante.
    You say we should vote MPs last if they are members of Liberal, Labor or National parties.
    What it I live in Craig Kelly’s electorate and hw has still a member of the Liberals.
    Or Barnaby Joyce?
    Or Matt Canavan?
    Where do you sit on those?
    And you didn’t mention the Greens.
    What about Adam Bandt?
    Have you thought this through carefully?


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  94. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    “Are there ex-Cats who have moved to Monty’s site?”

    A few. Dr. BG is happy to be there as well as here. I’ve thought the same, simply in case this site should fail which now looks less likely. It was silly of M0nty to knock off a Cat feature like Mark’s Lame Pics. Like Tom’s Toons and Kaycee’s One Two Threes they livened the old place up.

    Has anyone emailed Adam as he requested to notify of the new Bird Strike? He may not pick it up just from the comments and he is relying on our antennae to inform him. I emailed him early on about Bird’s danger to the site. He emailed me back after the smiting to say I was right. Others can take over now.


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  95. Chip Bok for me today. Thanks, Tom!


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  96. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Frost Giant Rebellion is trying hard now to be within the normal range of loons.

    I wonder when he will start to break out again?


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