Open Thread – Saturday, 12 February 2022

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  1. mh says:

    By Adam Creighton 13 Feb 2022 The Australian

    Scientists at leading American and British universities have slammed Australia’s expulsion of tennis star Novak Djokovic as “authoritarian” in new research that condemns Northern Territory’s “lockdown of the unvaccinated” as “punitive, discriminatory and coercive… and counter-productive”.

    Amid growing protests against vaccine mandates throughout the world, including in Paris, Ottawa and Canberra, nine leading scientists from universities including Oxford, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, have urged mandates be dumped in light of evidence they were “scientifically questionable, ethically problematic, and misguided”.

    “Denying individuals education, livelihoods, medical care, or social life unless they get vaccinated does not appear to coincide with constitutional and bioethical principles, especially in liberal democracies,” they added in a research paper published last week.

    Singling out Australia, Austria and Germany for locking down the unvaccinated, the authors warned the “risks and harms” from mandates to combat Covid-19 had reached a point where they “far outweighed the benefits”.

    Australia deported Mr Djokovic from Melbourne in January on public health grounds after the tennis number one refused to reveal his vaccination status, prompting an international furore.

    “The explicit characterisation of Mr Djokovic as a threat to Australian ‘civil order and public health’ underlines concerns of vaccine mandates and passports as a tool for authoritarian behaviour,” the authors said…

    … The research condemned Northern Territory chief minister Michael Gunner, who drew international attention in January, ordering a lockdown of unvaccinated residents following similar policies in Germany and Austria a month earlier.

    “If you are anti-mandate, you are absolutely anti-vax, I don‘t care what your personal vaccination status is. Your personal vaccination status is not relevant. If you campaign against the mandate…If you say ’pro-persuasion’, stuff it, shove it. You are anti-vax,” the territory leader said at the time…


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  2. Steve trickler says:

    Wankers.

    *****

    Cossack:

    The moment when the Police refused to protect a child during a stand off with the LRAD Sonic weapon. PS. – These are SONIC weapons (LRAD) – I incorrectly said “super-sonic” weapons. )

    Canberra Police REFUSE to protect child from LRAD


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  3. Steve trickler says:

    Once upon a time, I watched this channel for the motorcycle racing. How things change.

    Via the Marcel Irnie channel:

    World Awakening – FREEDOM CONVOYS Feb.13, 2022 | IrnieracingNews


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  4. Ragu says:

    Thanks, newspaper jerks.

    The Unintended Consequences of COVID-19 Vaccine Policy: Why Mandates, Passports, and Segregated Lockdowns May Cause more Harm than Good

    https://archive.ph/TQwxh


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  5. Ragu says:

    Good morning, Steve. Can’t sleep?


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  6. Steve trickler says:

    Up early, Ragu.

    You are correct.


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  7. mh says:

    Jarryd Hayne sexual assault convictions quashed on appeal, retrial ordered

    The former footballer was convicted last year of two counts of sexual intercourse without consent after an incident in Newcastle in September 2018.


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  8. cohenite says:

    Couple of funny Lame pics; here’s some memes.


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  9. mh says:

    Climate and integrity crusading independent federal MP Zali Steggall failed to disclose a six-figure political donation from the family trust of a multimillionaire coal investor, who is accused of tax fraud, for almost two years, an audit of her campaign financing has found.


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  10. Ragu says:

    Expect a mental breakdown from the Chook Lady. I met her once at a Sports doo and she looked on the brink of self-ignition


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  11. Ragu says:

    “Keep it together.

    Even though I may feel like it, I probably wont ignite.”


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  12. mh says:

    Super bowl any good?


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  13. JohnJJJ says:

    I’ve got a couple of mates in Ottawa and here is my prediction. Ottawa is irrelevant now – the mayor is bumbling around. Trudeau and the bureaucracy will keep this going for a while until it affects the general public with empty selves and other real inconveniences. At that stage the military (probably the Reserve at first) and RCMP will move in with full force and equipment and move the trucks. Possibly with help from the USA on the bridges. So it is in the interest of Trudeau gov to keep it going for the time being. He will be seen as the hero.
    BUT Evidently the federal gov is taking a vote on Monday about COVID. So I hope I am wrong.


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  14. candy says:

    It’s probably not appropriate for a PM’s wife to give an opinion on the personality of a visitor to the PM’s residence. Where would this kind of thing end? It could become very subjective and biased.

    Unless it was an abusive interaction, I can’t see that a grumpy young lady should be an issue for the PM and his wife in their station in life. I can’t see that Mrs Abbott would have involved herself like that publicly.

    Obviously a setup by Scott Morrison to get his lovely wife involved and so help his ratings.


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  15. Shy Ted says:

    Record number of Be My Valentine texts for me today. One. I think it’s spam.


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  16. Steve trickler says:

    Via Sky News.

    Liam Bartlett has been a f-wit for as long as I can remember…hang on, all the MSM in Perth are f-wits. All of them.

    ‘Fake news shill’: Republican Kari Lake slams Australian reporter during leaked interview


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  17. mh says:

    The Age

    Tears as workers move in on Collingwood Children’s Farm community gardens

    As the sun rose over Collingwood Children’s Farm community gardens on Monday morning, illuminating rows of overgrown plants and vegetables, Lyndale Cooper – chained to a fence out the front – burst into tears as men in fluorescent orange vests appeared.

    Allotment renters at the veggie garden expected their plots to be razed from Monday, with workers first coming in to remove some of their possessions – things like pots, garden implements and compost bins…


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  18. Steve trickler says:

    Liam, got owned.

    Made my day. 😊


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  19. Steve trickler says:

    Danger Dan:

    Do we actually need a Prime Minister? It appears that we don’t.

    The Spineless Eunuch: Scott Morrison

    0:54


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  20. Ragu says:

    Tears as workers move in on Collingwood Children’s Farm community gardens

    What happened? Developer maaaaates get the land?


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  21. Delta A says:

    I posted this on DoverCat:

    Just had a quick chat with Daughter. She is still hyped and super angry about wicked tactics used against the protesters. They actually sounded a warning siren and then depoyed LRADs, sonic weapons which caused headaches, palpitations and general malaise.

    She had researched sonic weapons before leaving on Friday and so she easily recognised them on federal 4WDs and on Parliament House. Many AFP looking evil and threatening in their black riot gear. One spied some children near the front of the crowd and walked over to suggest to the parents that the kids might be more “more comfortable” back a bit.

    I’m shocked that a democratic government would do this to its own people, especially whilst excusing BLM and ER protesters. Aussie Cossack was in the middle of it.

    I can’t post links atm, but Aussie Cossack made some vids. Perhaps some kind Cat could post them.


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  22. Steve trickler says:

    Hello, Delta. Cossack clip upthread.

    ***

    GTV:

    LRAD – SHAMEFUL NEW LOW


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  23. Old bloke says:

    Delta, here’s Cossack talking to the police about the LRAD weapons.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-pWUZMGhAU

    Why did the police use them against a peaceful protest?


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  24. Old bloke says:

    From Wikipedia regarding the LRAD Sonic weapons:

    Can sonic waves hurt you?
    Extremely high-power sound waves can disrupt or destroy the eardrums of a target and cause severe pain or disorientation. This is usually sufficient to incapacitate a person. Less powerful sound waves can cause humans to experience nausea or discomfort.

    Why were they used against a peaceful crowd?


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  25. Shy Ted says:

    Aussies react to Jenny Morrison
    Really? Bridie Jabour and Ilic? Real Aussies in the comments.


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  26. Steve trickler says:

    This is scary sh*t…NHS esque.

    *****

    Stew Peters Show:

    Ever since Scott Quiner died, the Stew Peters Show has vowed to expose the truth about Mercy Hospitals and how they and other death care facilities have been treating patients. Scott, like thousands of nameless others, had absolutely zero reason to die. He died because he was left malnourished and put on the death protocol by doctors who thought he deserved it for not being vaccinated.
    Sam Shirley was 47 years old, a successful salesman and baseball player who died tragically and unexpectedly on December 13th, 2021, in St. Gabriel’s Hospital, Little Falls, Minnesota.

    Serial Murder Suspects Identified: Calculated Killing Continues In America’s Hospitals


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  27. mh says:

    Just highlighting the ignorance of The Age

    Liberal MP took unproven ivermectin drug
    By Angus Thompson

    Liberal MP Russell Broadbent, who is unvaccinated to COVID-19, has declared he took the banned horse de-wormer ivermectin when he contracted the coronavirus last month…

    Ivermectin is on the World Health Organisation list of ESSENTIAL MEDICINES.


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  28. Steve trickler says:

    ACT police are a joke.

    The saving grace is the silly bitch is on show for the WORLD. Me thinks more will develop with this story.

    Sleep well, love.


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  29. cohenite says:

    Steve Hilton on the latest about the Durham enquiry showing conclusive proof that shrillary and the swamp actively spied on Trump before and AFTER he became POTUS with illegal hacking of the Whitehouse and Trump properties and then the confected wussia hoax. Unfuckingbelievable:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZNItuVc7HM


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  30. Ragu says:

    God bless Trump, and all the haploids that sail in him


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  31. Steve trickler says:

    Some nice looking trucks in this clip. The horse @4:30? Unfazed.

    ***

    Via the Marcel Irnie channel:

    Coutts- Milk River Border Blockade Update Feb 13, 2022 | IrnieracingNews


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  32. Shy Ted says:

    Pretty much all health services, including GPs, have treatment protocols for pretty much everything they encounter. The official line is the purchase of treatments from big pharma at reduced costs for bulk purchases. These protocols are created at the highest levels, recommendations made and then signed off on by health ministers. Lowly doctors have no choice to follow the guidelines because funding is attached. “Wrong” treatment, no money, investigate your practice.
    I’ll give you an example, aged care with dementia. We like to think those with dementia are reverting to a childlike state where all their needs, feeding, toileting etc require assistance. Sadly not true of many. There’s a 7 point scale of behavioural problems and the severity of same, aggression, sexual disinhibition, wandering, screaming and similar. It can be very distressing for those involved and can be quite/very dangerous to the sufferer and those around them.
    As the brain is deteriorating, no particular medication is going to control symptoms. Psycho-geriatricians do lots of research into which medications tend to be best for which behavioural problem. If there’s only one problem only one medication is prescribed. But if two, two meds. 3? 3 meds and so on until the sufferer is on a cocktail of meds, small amounts but it’s impossible to tell what works. Almost all have side effects such as mental slowing and constipation and this just complicates the picture. The highest levels sign off on which med for which behaviour (it’s all sales to big pharma).
    It’s called BPSD. No need to look too hard into it. This is a bit easier to understand
    So, back to unvaxxed Convid protocols, Stew Peters and Scott Quiner. Treating doctor has no choice but to follow the protocols and as we are very well aware, treatments the treating doctor may want to use such as Ivermectin, hasn’t got the tick of approval whereas harmful protocols such as intubation and ventilation have.
    Old people don’t actually die from the flu, they die from the complications, usually pneumonia which is bacterial and treatable.
    So doctors hands are tied as are the specialists to whom they report and seek guidance, they have no choice.
    The daily exposes we read about are the result of this process. Specialists are carefully cultivated by big pharma with all the perks!
    Example – Vioxx was withdrawn after an increase in heart attacks. Wait… now available on the shelves at chemists. No prescription required!
    Same with PPE, personal protective equipment for health staff. Gets recommended and sales skyrocket. It’s a sewer of corruption.


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  33. mh says:

    If you’re into this sort of thing

    Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J. Blige & Kendrick Lamar FULL Pepsi Super Bowl LVI Halftime Show

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdsUKphmB3Y

    And 50 Cent


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  34. Steve trickler says:

    mh says:
    February 14, 2022 at 6:45 pm

    G’day.

    I had to skim through that. It was atrocious!

    Muck music!


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  35. mh says:

    Exclusive: Roger Stone Responds To Durham’s Bombshell Findings That The Deep State Illegally Spied On Trump

    https://banned.video/watch?id=6209a5dc7e19dc022cbe6c26


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  36. mh says:

    Kamala Harris asked why Tupac wasn’t in the half time show.


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  37. Steve trickler says:

    I need to get that Super Bowl show out of my head. All of it was 100% crap.

    *******

    Interstellar Suite // The Danish National Symphony Orchestra (Live)


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  38. Shy Ted says:

    Gilbert & Sullivan thanks Cressida Dick for her contribution to crime fighting on her departure to… your guess is as good as mine. Team Amwerica World Poice?


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  39. mh says:

    60 minutes gets reamed.

    Check out the comments too, and this is a News dot com video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OY1dLJ7YKAk


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  40. Steve trickler says:

    Worth revisiting.

    No Kevlar nappy on the motor, chest exposed. I still shake my head. FMD.

    WORLD RECORD RAW FOOTAGE AND SOUND! LARRY “SPIDERMAN” MCBRIDE GOES 5.50 at 264 MPH ON TOP FUEL BIKE!


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  41. Ragu says:

    Shy Ted says:

    February 14, 2022 at 6:44 pm

    Thanks for that. Opium for the jaded.


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  42. mh says:

    Dirty Harry on 7Mate tonight.

    The 70s. When there were cops still after the bad guys.


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  43. Steve trickler says:

    Liam is f*c*ed.

    No good nights rest for this prick. He’ll be staring at the ceiling for weeks ahead.


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  44. mh says:

    I wonder what Harry Callaghan would make of VicPol

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ9_whbuukQ


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  45. Steve trickler says:

    A lot a former British Tornado pilots will be spewing!

    Glory days.

    RAF GR4 Tornado Farewell, Mach – Loop

    F**k all from the Poms flying through there these days.


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  46. Steve trickler says:

    Repost.

    You’ve got to wonder how many people in Australia are in the rivers, yet to be found? I don’t think any group exists here doing this type of work. Hopefully that will change.

    SOLVED: Vietnam Veteran (Thomas Thornton) Found 7-months after Crashing Car into Lake


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  47. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Cassie has just alerted me to the following material, ill-bred indeed, put up on this site. I am taking a right of reply, and will not bother people either here or on Dover’s Cat any further.

    Timothy Neilson says:
    February 4, 2022 at 10:11 am
    candy says:
    February 3, 2022 at 9:36 pm
    Ragu says:
    February 3, 2022 at 9:56 pm

    Set out below are a couple of Lizzie’s special efforts on a recent thread at the other Cat.
    They’re not aberrations. You can check these other ones out for yourselves on the 31 January open thread at the other site:
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    February 1, 2022 at 4:55 pm
    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    February 1, 2022 at 5:18 pm

    She’s a crass, vulgar, low-rent showboater who could solve all of her own problems on that site by refraining from deliberately making a great parade of everything she sees as her status markers and supposed accomplishments.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    January 5, 2022 at 1:10 pm

    Hairy thinks I’m stubborn too. You didn’t saying anything about Business Class did you? he enquires anxiously as he peers around the door disapprovingly at me blogging. You know that will just bring them all down on your head again. If you do, then leave me out of it.

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Bearesays:
    January 5, 2022 at 5:44 pm
    One of my friends, wife of the President of the golf club, refuses to watch ‘Succession’ because of the ‘language’ in it.

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    johannajohanna says:
    February 4, 2022 at 10:50 am
    Well said, TN.

    My dislike of this kind of nouveau riche drivel goes back to when I first commented at Sinc’s – about ten years ago. In those days, there was a lot of boasting about diamonds, interspersed with Angela’s Ashes in western Sydney and how the brave, brilliant and beautiful heroine rose to consorting with The Highest in the Land and scored a rich husband. It was revolting, and I said so.

    Thankfully, there is not a trace of this kind of vulgar, ill bred behaviour here. 🙂

    This says far more about the ill-bred (you heard) misapprehensions displayed by the above two commenters than it does about me.

    I would simply point out that I comment from life, as do many other denizens of both current Cat iterations and the older one. That my life experiences, which cross many class boundaries, are seen by tall-poppy slayers and the envious as ‘boasting’ is signal to their misunderstandings of the imputed irony in many of my comments and indicate the level of bile these two commenters throw out at something they completely misunderstand. If only they were smarter. *sigh*

    Tim Neilson, I specifically put in the golf club notation to indicate the type of woman I know who would be so horrified by the swearing and other language in ‘Succession’ that she would desist watching such a good show. My comment there was ABOUT class, not an indicator of ‘boasting’ that I tangentially belong to such a grouping at this stage in my life. I have no interest, neither past nor present, in golf nor golf clubs, btw, as I made plain in my Quadrant memoir “On Becoming Elizabeth”, about my early years. A good enough memoir to publish, btw, Johanna, instead of your moaning re ‘Angela’s Ashes’ about my life then. I am by and large a happy person, and intend to remain so by not commenting on sites that denigrate me on idiotic and spurious grounds. It is you two who lower the tone of the the sites.

    Johanna has been an evil sniping and yes, class-envious, castigator since the get-go. That has been apparent to many people on the Cat for years. In full concert with plenty here who have no sociological comprehension, nor literary understanding of some levels of self-deprecation, she also has a misapplied and weird notion of ‘nouveau riche’. She deserves nothing but contempt for her foolishness. As do some other of my detractors.


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  48. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Oh, and as a last word, I am busy looking after my husband, who is currently very sick with Covid. Far more concerning than trying to defend myself against anonymous individuals making spurious slanders at me on a blog. So far, I am RAT negative twice since he picked up the infection last Thursday while we were taking our 2-year old grandson to the Zoo. Health sent us a message yesterday re ‘close contacts’ but my husband was very sick by then so it was rather late, already RAT and now PCR confirmed.

    And that is the only sort of RAT I am interested in being.
    RAT negative.

    Thanks, Candy, btw, for you kind concern for me. 2021 and into 2022 has been a tough time for me. Blog nonsense hasn’t helped, which is why I no longer comment. 🙂


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  49. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Good to see your Cat still going, Adam. Congratulations on its survival. Now that The Bird has flown, it is a good site and I so much enjoyed revisiting the Lame Pics. They are such a laugh. And Kaycee’s little pieces of wisdom too are very pleasing.


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  50. Rossini says:

    Thanks for the “Lame pics” Mark A


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  51. Rossini says:

    I hope your husband recovers quicklly Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare.
    Take care!


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  52. mh says:

    I am busy looking after my husband, who is currently very sick with Covid.

    Hi Lizzie,
    If he is very sick does NSW Health not want him in hospital?


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  53. johanna johanna says:

    I am by and large a happy person, and intend to remain so by not commenting on sites that denigrate me on idiotic and spurious grounds.

    Which is why the eternal narcissist put up three comments in sucession here, all of them self-aggrandising. 🙂

    She is really feeling the withdrawal symptoms now, and I guarantee that she will be back at Dover’s soon. Her ‘flounces’ are like a three year old holding his/her breath, while all the time watching for a reaction. Sadly for her, people at Dover’s are not weeping and wailing and gnashing their teeth.

    As for the ‘I comment from life’ nonsense, she lied for years and years at Sinc’s about her personal life, which was the focus of her comments. I have never lied about mine, on the rare occasions when it is mentioned.


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  54. Ragu says:

    Dear Lord.

    There is no escape from this shit.


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  55. Steve trickler says:

    Sky News:

    Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau must go and his government “should fall” amid a list of “absolutely criminal” things the government is doing, says author Douglas Murray.

    It comes as a state of emergency has been declared in Ontario, the province which includes Ottawa, after protests entered their third week in the capital.

    Protesters have been warned they face large fines or even prison time for their continued demonstrations.

    Mr Murray condemned Mr Trudeau for his treatment of the protesters, saying he called them “racists, misogynists and homophobes”.

    “He and his appalling supporting paper, the Toronto Star, pump out the most vicious propaganda against these truckers.”

    “The Canadian government has put pressure on some of the Canadian banks to freeze the accounts of truckers – this is just unbelievable banana republic behaviour.”

    ‘He has to go’: Trudeau’s government has ‘massively overreached’


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  56. Eyrie says:

    I thought Lizzie and husband got vaxxed so they could travel. They *MUST* travel (for private enjoyment only, not for business). Did the vax not work, then?


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  57. mh says:

    Did the vax not work, then?

    Covid vaccines do not stop you getting the virus, transmitting the virus, or getting sick from the virus.

    Apart from that, they work.


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  58. mh says:

    Former NRL star Jarryd Hayne is set to walk from jail after being bailed inside a Sydney court on Tuesday.


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  59. mh says:

    Commenters don’t seem enthused

    George Brandis@AusHCUKA beautiful morning and the start of @Australia taking over Piccadilly Circus!

    We have a simple message to our best mates in Britain: we can’t wait to welcome you back down under.

    https://twitter.com/AusHCUK/status/1493131953947697156?s=20&t=jGmLVCn49LvmnEyLDNdpYQ


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  60. Eyrie says:

    Covid vaccines do not stop you getting the virus, transmitting the virus, or getting sick from the virus.

    mh, I left off the sarc tag.


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  61. mh says:

    No sarc tag required, eyrie


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  62. bons says:

    We have a simple message to our best mates in Britain: we can’t wait to welcome you back down under.
    Families of Australian primary producers bankrupted by the Poms desertion of the Commonwealth may disagree, Georgie.


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  63. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Thank you to those enquiring after my husband’s health and wishing him well. NSW Health have been in touch and we are getting an Oximeter. He has three comorbidities and it is tough at age 69, seventy soon, with me at 79, eighty soon. Without the vaxx he might be a goner. Keeping myself well enough to monitor and care for him and to keep him away from hospital is my concern.

    Attacking me has been one of Johanna’s main serial enjoyments at Catallaxy for ten years and everyone is welcome to her now. Perhaps she she will prove that she has better talents and a nicer personality than displayed by her fixation so far.

    No, I will not be wanting to return to Catallaxy here or at Dover’s. Health allowing, we will be in Tasmania in March, Queensland in April, and the UK in May and I have in general a very busy life which exists well beyond blogging. I will limit my commenting to Quadrant. But thank you all for allowing me the right of reply, which I have taken a few weeks ago at Dover’s also. Ridiculous personal attacks only drag down a blog. Johanna has no intention of ceasing them. That she brings the issue here is instructive. I did not do that.


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  64. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Sinclair, btw, is well aware of all of the circumstances of my personal life and that of my husband, with whom he still wishes to remain in contact when he comes to Sydney; there has been no lying by me. Johanna lies her head off, including about her doxxing of my husband. I have a screen shot of that doxxing on Sinc’s Cat. Johanna denies doing it.

    That’s just for completeness of my views on her behaviour.

    Blog on well and fruitfully, all Catallaxians. I had some good times with many of you.


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  65. egg_ says:

    Passenger overboard from RMS Frankenvax?


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  66. mh says:

    Without the vaxx he might be a goner.

    Something we will never know.

    Like those that say “my symptoms would have been far worse without the vax”.


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  67. candy says:

    Hi Lizzie

    Sorry to hear your husband is unwell with the COVID. A couple of comorbidities in someone of senior years makes the recovery that degree harder I think. I hope he is on the mend soon.

    Personally I don’t think you should give up communicating on the blogs. Try to put the unpleasantness aside. So easy to say, I know. Anyways let folks here know how your husband is getting on and so on. Very best wishes from me and I’m sure many others from the old and new Catallaxy too, xxx.


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  68. Ragu says:

    Without the vaxx he might be a goner.

    Very much unlikely when you take into account Ig titers dropping off a cliff after being vaxxed.


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  69. Ragu says:

    Lizzie, I wish you no ill will. All the best to you both in your sunset years. Don’t waste it hanging around blogs.

    X O


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  70. mh says:

    All the best to you both in your sunset years. Don’t waste it hanging around blogs.

    If it keeps the brain active, blogging would be good for older people.


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  71. Ragu says:

    I suppose. So would doing su do ku in a hot tub every day whilst banging out a few words for quadrant.


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  72. mh says:

    Examples of replies to George Brandis for anyone who cannot view:

    I love Australia, have visited several times. Sadly, I won’t dream of going back there until it returns to being the country I used to know.
    ***
    Seem to have omitted the bit that read “Obviously we cannot guarantee that lunatics running individual states may not suddenly choose to imprision you on arrival for 14 days or more”
    ***
    I’ve been twice, have 50+ family there but will never go back, the world has been watching, Aussie tourism = RIP
    ***
    Beautiful image, but so much damage has been done to brand Australia. The world doesn’t doubt our beauty but our reputation as a free, laid back welcoming warm society has been blown up beyond belief. Pictures of animals and beaches do nothing to restore this image
    ***
    The damage has been done, it’s a no from me.
    ***
    After seeing the treatment of your fellow people, NO THANKS.
    ***
    Might as well just go to North Korea.
    ***
    I have read and re-read the government website and it seems the vaccination requirement to enter applies to all, even citizens. Can you tell me if this means that my Australian citizenship has effectively been cancelled? Will this policy ever change?
    ***
    Think I’ll pass on the quarantine camps thank you.
    ***
    No thanks m8
    I live in Scotland
    Here, we have the SNP
    So there’s really no need for me to fly halfway around the world for my fix of socialism/nazism


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  73. mh says:

    The Age
    Novak Djokovic says he’s willing to sacrifice more Opens over jab
    Latika Bourke

    London: Novak Djokovic says he is willing to sacrifice more trophies, even at Wimbledon and the French Open, if tournament organisers insist he be vaccinated against COVID-19 to compete.

    The Serbian gave his first interview on Tuesday since being deported from Australia and banned from defending his Open title and said he was not an anti-vaxxer but that he believed that it should be about choice.

    He said he was still not vaccinated.

    Speaking to the BBC’s Amol Rajan, Djokovic said had already accepted that his decision to not be jabbed meant he might have to forgo competing at Melbourne Park.

    “I understand the consequences of my decision, and one of the consequences of my decision was not going to Australia, and I was prepared not to go, and I understand that not being vaccinated today, I am unable to travel to most of the tournaments at the moment,” he said.

    When asked if he was willing to forgo taking part in Wimbledon and the French Open, he said: “Yes, that is the price that I’m willing to pay,” he said.

    “Because the principles of decision-making on my body are more important than any title or anything else. I’m trying to be in tune with my body as much as I possibly can.

    “I was never against vaccination,” he said, adding that he did not want the jab because of his careful management of everything that goes into his body as an elite athlete.

    “I keep my mind open,” he added.

    Britain allows unvaccinated people to enter, although they are subjected to isolation and testing restrictions that do not apply to vaccinated travellers. It does not have vaccine mandates.

    But French President Emmanuel Macron, who has made it his mission to “piss off the unvaccinated” has imposed vaccine passports and his government has signalled it could copy Australia’s lead and impose a “no jab, no play,” requirement at Roland Garros.

    Djokovic said he never thought himself above the rules.

    “I agree that there shouldn’t be any special rules, I never used my privileged status to get into Australia by force, so I was treated like anyone else,” he said.

    When asked what his message to ordinary Australians who had endured lockdowns would be, he said he understood the nation’s frustration.

    “Australia has been through one of the most severe lockdowns that we had since the beginning of the pandemic,” he said. “So I can only imagine how hard it was for Australians and I sympathise, empathise with all the people. And I can understand that there has been a lot of frustrations from the Australian people towards me and towards the entire situation and the way it was dealt with, and I understand that.”

    He rejected accusations he had faked a PCR test showing that he tested positive for the virus in mid-December in order to claim a medical exemption to enter Australia on the basis that the timing of his second infection precluded him from taking the jab.

    “I take COVID very, very seriously, I assure you I was taking PCR tests as anyone else, I never used my privileged status in this country or any other country,” he said.

    He said he had never said he was part of the anti-vaxxer movement and claimed that no-one during the whole Australian saga asked him his opinion on vaccination.

    “So I could not really express what I feel and what my stance is neither in the legal process, neither outside.”

    Djokovic submitted his application anonymously to two medical boards to enter the tournament but ran into hurdles when he arrived in Melbourne and was stopped by Border Force who tried to deport him.

    He successfully overturned the deportation in court but was unsuccessful a second time when the Australian government said he should be deported because he could inspire anti-vaxxers in Australia. The Federal court agreed.

    Australia has a vaccination rate of 95 per cent which is one of the highest in the world.

    Meanwhile, relations between the Australian government and the tennis star may be thawing with Immigration Minister Alex Hawke suggesting Djokovic might not be required to pay the legal costs as per the January 10 court order.

    “We’re happy that the full federal court gave the Commonwealth a costs order in this case and yes, that’ll have to be negotiated and worked out between parties,” Hawke told ABC Melbourne.

    “But we obviously lost a costs order in the initial case, so there’s a bit of work to do but we think that we might be able to have no costs for either party.“

    Asked whether an agreement needed to be reached before the tennis pro sought to play at next year’s Australian Open, the minister said unpaid costs could pose an issue.

    “It can be a factor in people’s entry to Australia if they owe the Commonwealth money. That can be a consideration in visa applications,” he said.

    “But, you know, obviously there’s a long way to go before that’s an issue.”


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  74. Delta A says:

    Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare, I can no longer resist replying to your repetitive cries of victimhood.
    Most of us have been around The Cat for many years and recall how things actually happened. You took a furious dislike to johanna because she challenged many of your posts, particularly those which dealt with your first rate travels, your diamonds, your trophy husband and your munificence towards those less fortunate.
    You perceive this as class envy, even suggesting your ‘tall poppy’ status as the reason for her hostility.
    It isn’t.
    I won’t speak for johanna, but I suspect your constant me-me-me has irked many Cats – all those upticks! – but most people are too conflict-averse to say anything.
    I don’t doubt for a moment that you are a good person with very good intentions. But when you constantly – and I mean consantly – refer to your privilege and your wonderfulness, people get a bit ho-hum, or even ticked off.
    You are a valued Cat poster. So is johanna. You are both educated, eloquent, intelligent and financially comfortable. I suspect there are several Cats who could out bank-balance both of you, but they keep it to themselves.
    And that’s the key!
    A little bragging is fine – we all do it occasionally. But it’s not a contest. And it’s not polite to over indulge.
    Wishing you both all the best.


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  75. Steve trickler says:

    That strumming on the guitar will never get old. 4 or 5 when I first heard this?

    Pink Floyd Another Brick In The Wall HD Parts 1,2 & 3 Full version


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  76. candy says:

    Maybe bit harsh, Delta?

    Lizzie has been helping and kind to all her family for a very long time and I would guess quite a lot financially as one or two disadvantaged and struggling in ways that she has talked about.

    Lizzie and her husband have never let their family down. True sign of good and lovely folks, never mind any faults and we all very imperfect.


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  77. johanna johanna says:

    Delta, when have I ever bragged about my finances?

    They are nothing to brag about, believe me. 🙂


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  78. Steve trickler says:

    I know I will cop a proverbial shellacking; johanna and Elizabeth, cut it out. Love you both.

    😘


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  79. Ragu says:

    👍

    Now, lets 🤘🤘


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  80. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Delta, you have shared a lot of your life here, just as I have shared mine. My commenting re my own experiences is as valid as anyone else’s.

    The exception some people take to it is their problem, not mine.

    I don’t want to be here or on Dover’s Cat any more. I do not feel comfortable amongst such denigration as I have received. I would have to have no self-respect to stay here amongst it. I believe Johanna has been grossly out of order, completely psychologically fixated in her unrelenting bullying of me, not called out for it as she should have been, and your schoolmarmishness and interpretation of my situation is your problem, not mine. You are wrong. My bank balance has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I am proud of my achievements in life. Few women in the 1950’s fought the battles that I fought to get educated and escape from a violent family situation. That is not ‘wonderfulness’ but a deserved pride. I am also proud, as you are, of my children, the successful and not so successful included. And like you, I deeply love my husband who needs my care now.

    Johanna has often commented on her life in a manner similar to my comments. Yet she will never leave me alone. This is pathetic and grossly unfair, and also bullying. Arky has referred to people ignoring it as ‘innocent bystanderism’, and wonders why others just pass it by. He believes he is better off without Catallaxy and I believe I am too.

    People on both Cats might consider how many people they drive away. Cassie and Tinta do not take your view of me, btw, Delta. They know me IRL as well as on here. Some lovely people come here, and long may they flourish and grow here.


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  81. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Delta, you are a middle-class and not very worldly schoolmarm sometimes, but I respect your right to be such.

    My finances have nothing to do with anything. I merely write about my life as I have lived and experienced it.

    Please respect my right to be proud of my achievements. You didn’t grow up as I did nor meet the barriers that I met to education, a family behind me and a good life.

    Johanna should have been told long ago to pull her head in. Her crowing is appalling behaviour. And it has been constant for years. Cassie and Tinta see it as dreadful, and highly envious. They both know me personally.

    Nothing else to say. I do not feel comfortable in any Catallaxy environment any more. I do not want to be here. Arky suggested that the ‘innocent bystander’ approach to bullying was a great problem with the blog. He was not wrong.

    She brought my issue over here, and Cassie alerted me to it.
    That’s the only reason I have come in now, and I want to leave it now.


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  82. Elizabeth (Lizzie) Beare says:

    Ok, I thought my comment had disappeared. Another similar one will now follow. Forgot the gap in timing on this site.

    Goodbye and good luck to you all.


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  83. Steve trickler says:

    The sh*t hits the fan and people come to the rescue.

    Student Pilot has STUCK FULL THROTTLE | Other pilots help him land


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