Open Thread – Thursday 5 August 2021

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  1. rickw says:

    Joe Hildebrand: People who refuse to get vaccinated are no longer decent members of society…

    Might they even be Deplorable?

    Come and try and vax me or my kids you arseholes….


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  2. Old bloke says:

    Australia has introduced stricter travel laws that mean citizens who live abroad will need permission to leave the country.

    Buy foreign citizenship, I think that foreign nationals are allowed to leave unhindered.

    Vanuatu appears to be the cheapest, $180,000 for a family of four ($US), Bitcoin accepted, and you will receive your new passports in 45 days.

    https://www.sovereignman.com/citizenship-by-investment/#vanuatu_citizenship_by_investment


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  3. Steve trickler says:

    mh says:
    August 11, 2021 at 12:52 pm
    ‘Daniel Andrews says he knows the extension of Greater Melbourne’s lockdown will be “very challenging”. The extension comes as authorities chase five new mystery cases.’

    —

    F*ck the noose, bring back the Guillotine! Klaus has him wrapped around his pinky finger. I wonder if $ is coming into play behind the scenes for all the State Premiers?

    Future rewards.


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  4. struth says:

    F…ME
    Notafan quoting Enemy propaganda as facts.


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  5. calli says:

    Yes taking covid seriously in February March 2020 should be a hanging offence.

    It appeared to be very serious back then. No one knew much at all, and there was a barrage of film from China and other places suggesting something out of a horror movie (and it’s interesting to recall what exactly was trending on Netflix and the like). The buying up of PPE and other pandemic necessities was another indicator, even as Pelosi encouraged Americans to go to Chinatown and celebrate New Year. We even monitored traffic in Wuhan.

    There was a shipload of entitlement doctors yelling for repatriation to be organised by the government, another ship laying off Yokohama supposedly full of disease. Then, at the end of March, the first lockdown and its panic buying. None of us imagined what it would be like over a year later.

    A new (and to my mind, illegitimate) US president, a suite of useless “vaccines”, the shifting of goalposts from “flatten the curve” to “zero cases” all to the tune of “exhausted” TikTok nurses and sad eyed CHOs. The relinquishing of authority by our own PM to state premiers who now run their own fiefdoms.

    And still locked down. And two old has-beens telling us today that we must love China.

    Rosie, I blame you! I don’t know what you did, but you did it.


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  6. struth says:
    August 11, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    Don’t think that’s going to win her over, either. 😇


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  7. Rorschach says:

    Rosie … I appreciate what you’re trying to defend. But it is indefensible. Yes, Israel is not as bad as it was. But look at Iceland if you want a better (worse) example. It is also just about fully vaccinated – and the current COVID infection spike is the worst ever.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iceland/

    The narrative / spin is now about severity and deaths. No mention of the breakthough issue.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0


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  8. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Might they even be Deplorable

    oh, I hope so, rick!

    Though, to be one, I’ll probably have to get a new hat 🤠or other defining symbol 🦺


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  9. Timothy Neilson says:

    “Andrews said the appearance of new ‘mystery’ cases, with no established link to prior infections, remains a “real concern” to state health authorities.”

    This must be fake news. It was only about a month ago on the old site that m0nty assured us that Maximum Leader had “eradicated” the virus in Victoria.


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  10. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    calli says:
    August 11, 2021 at 1:12 pm

    Apart from the last sentence, calli, it’s a +1 from me!


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  11. calli says:

    From Rosie’s link:

    In a statement to CNBC, Pfizer said it remains confident its two-dose regimen is protective against the coronavirus and its variants.

    Still, it said a third dose may be helpful after analysis from its phase three study showed a decline in efficacy against symptomatic infection after four to six months.
    _________________

    Nice to be a little bit pregnant.

    This is the sort of chickensh*t advice our governments are taking seriously and depending on.


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  12. Steve trickler says:

    rosie says:
    August 11, 2021 at 1:00 pm

    —

    You are a troll. Got any more Facebook fact checker sponsored links you want to post? What a disgrace that was. No excuses for that. But, one thing good out of it. It did expose you for who you are. Idiot, ignorant or liar. Take your pick.

    I’ll say it again, you are as useful as tits on a bull.


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  13. calli says:

    It appears some here only want to read news from sources they “like”. What happened to examining information from all sources and then making up your mind?

    It seems to me that news from a source you don’t like from a person you don’t like suddenly becomes “fake news”. It may well be, but seriously, read it first. I did, and found it wanting.


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  14. struth says:

    Rosie, I blame you! I don’t know what you did, but you did it.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I DO blame Rosie.
    But also millions like her, not just her.
    It’s cute to try to suggest I am blaming Australia’s downfall on one dumb wench, but that’s dishonest isn’t it?
    But you never, ever, allow governments to do what they did on the very first day, and that is imprison the healthy.
    Never.
    Never
    Never.
    For no reason.
    Agreeing with up to stage two tyranny is where the crux of the issue lay, and why women should never have been given the vote.
    Not stage one or half a stage.
    No stage at all is the only thing anyone with an ounce of civic understanding should tolerate.
    You do understand that don’t you Calli?
    Many woman have a natural instinct to submit and a collectivist, tribal mindset that when made fearful produces the hysteria as the Ancient Greeks called it.
    I put you above the generalisation I have just made.
    Should I?


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  15. Steve trickler says:

    Moving on from the troll above. No more commentary from me. Done with the thing.

    ——

    Avi:

    Law-abiding man CONFRONTS Fiona Patten over his Covid fine for filming police


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  16. srr says:

    “struth says:
    August 11, 2021 at 1:09 pm
    F…ME
    Notafan quoting Enemy propaganda as facts.”
    _______________________
    Worse than that –

    “rosie says:
    August 11, 2021 at 12:55 pm
    Yes taking covid seriously in February March 2020 should be a hanging offence.”
    ____________________

    “Rosie” aka “rosie” aka “Notafan” aka “notafan” (making it all the harder to compile a list of charges against), also plays that propagandist’s magic trick of dropping empty one liners that build up to be a ‘nest of protection’ against any who dare challenge their “innocent statements” with detailed explanations of why they are not innocent & why those who consistently use this tool should never be trusted to be straight.

    Common Purpose & aligned Networks; I keep seeing their trained practitioners flooding ‘Social’ Media with their mind fuckery at a rate of knots these days. They must be feeling the loss of their long unchallenged rails run.


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  17. Rabz says:

    How the hell is this serial defamer still on the public purse?

    Because a certain “doctrine” has not yet been visited on the ALPBC and the vermin infesting it.

    That’s because the ATO, who as we all know is always completely fair, will now regard the ALPBC’s payment for Milligan’s costs and damages as part of Milligan’s income for that year

    Thanks BoN, I needed a laugh.


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  18. rosie says:

    Rorschach

    Adam Creighton has a twitter post up about this and is of the opinion that what is happening in Iceland and Israel is telling us that vaccines aren’t much use in combating spread which iirc Tel said was never part of the testing process anyhow so getting vaccinated to prevent spread is not i dunno a good message to sent? a good reason to get vaccinated?

    Adam went on to say that the vaccines ARE good for reducing the risk of severe illness and death.

    And missing from the Israel equation is the fact that there hospitalisations and presumably also deaths in the unvaccinated population, which as we know are not just young people but members of two distinctive Israeli communities.

    I’ll take his word for that being the correct takeaway.

    Especially in light of the complete lack of empirical support for the opposing ‘argument’.

    As far as breakthrough cases, now wouldn’t getting a mild breakthrough case of covid be good for improving your immunity levels?

    Tbh im over the covid stuff, get vaccinated don’t get vaccinated, let everyone do what they want and don’t bother with outrage over government ‘encouragement’ of vaccines.

    Im with the ldp; get your damn percentage and announce a freedom day.


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  19. Rabz says:

    It appeared to be very serious back then.

    With respect calli, it most certainly did not. I knew immediately it was a preposterous beat-up, being unashamedly perpetrated by those chinese communist dirtbags in order to induce panic across the globe, but most importantly, in the rotten self loathing husks that are the western democracies.

    What I wasn’t ready for was the subsequent gullibility, hysteria, dishonesty and staggering destructive incompetence, which we are still having shoved down our throats 18 months later.

    BTW, what’s the definition of insanity, again?

    Someone should tattoo it onto our beloved leaders’ foreheads. Reversed of course, so they can presumably read it when admiring themselves in a mirror.

    The evil stupid mongrel bastards.


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  20. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Niligan is not a journalist but a culture war troll, so that would never happen

    While Niligan is a “special case” in the pantheon of scribes and trolls, a large percentage of her fellow “journalists” now are players too.

    That interview between Dr Peter Mccullough and that ex-Fox journalist about the numbers of deaths and other adverse reactions to the vaccines that the VAERS system has reported, that Steve T put up yesterday, referred to Entrusted News Initiative – which is the pushing of a narrative instead of providing only the facts.

    There is no news to speak of anymore; it’s just agendas, manipulation of the audience, massaging the story and straight out dishonest reporting.


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  21. calli says:

    My suspicion is that the “percentage” will either be lowered officially, or the figures fudged.

    They’re not going to get what they want – the last few days’ crescendo of shrill may be an indication.

    Hope so. The alternative is unthinkable.


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  22. thefrollickingmole says:

    We can say RABZ doctrine now!

    Skulls.
    Salted earth
    Forced organ transplants
    The whole shebang!


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  23. struth says:

    Adam has a public profile and like most of these people want to appear to be “reasonable” and finds some area to agree with the left wing propaganda, in doing so, completely shooting themselves in the foot.
    Like Alan Jone’s , “I’m all for getting the jab” blah blah.
    The jab when it came out was completely untested on humans.
    Now the global trial results are coming in.
    They don’t work, but they kill thousands and have terrible side effects that hospitalise hundreds of thousands more.
    When the next cold virus hits, it increases symptoms and causes all sorts of dramas with those results starting to come in.
    You stand firm on what is right and what is the truth against the left and you never ever concede anything to make you appear more level headed.
    You just shoot yourself in the foot.


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  24. mh says:

    The Australian is so serious about the community threat from Covid that it keeps all its Covid stories paywalled.


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  25. Rorschach says:

    I like the movie (in fact I like a lot of Alan Moore’s comic work – Watchmen / league of extraordinary gentlemen etc). It is very prescient. Just not in the way Moore intended

    Continuing on from above … the comics central theme is resistance agianst totalitarianism and how that begins. For dramatic purposes, it can be blowing up of parliament. However, I believe that in reality, it is much more mundane.

    The below bears watching to the end. Heartbreaking.

    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo/status/1425272751057608711?s=20


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  26. Rabz says:

    Mole – not to mention Ultimo and Southwank nuked from orbit.

    Just to be sure, of course.


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  27. struth says:

    Paul Murray, Credlin, Bolt, have all conceded just to appear more level headed.
    They’ve become nobodies, and will be forgotton in an instant.
    Right wing people know the truth, and we aren’t watching them so they can influence us, we are watching to see if there is anyone worth watching, with decency, common sense and the integrity and guts to tell the truth.


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  28. calli says:

    You are more sophisticated than me, Rabz. I was worried, but certainly not panic stricken. For a start, I had a daughter who had just come home very sick from China.

    Back then I still had a smidgen of respect for Australia’s elected leaders.

    No more.

    It has all been a great eye-opener.


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  29. DrBeauGan says:

    It appears some here only want to read news from sources they “like”. What happened to examining information from all sources and then making up your mind?

    Wow. Radical stuff! If this were twitter, you’d be banned, Calli.


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  30. feelthebern says:

    Expect more news on the Louise Milligan pay-out roundabout.
    Either from more ABC staff leaking or from the next time the ABC fronts up to a committee hearing.


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  31. rickw says:

    Australia has introduced stricter travel laws that mean citizens who live abroad will need permission to leave the country.

    Buy foreign citizenship, I think that foreign nationals are allowed to leave unhindered.

    Vanuatu appears to be the cheapest, $180,000 for a family of four ($US), Bitcoin accepted, and you will receive your new passports in 45 days.

    Any other options? My kids all have a second passport but I don’t!!!


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  32. Rabz says:

    calli – let’s just say the preposterous 33 year old fraud that is “catastrophic human induced climate change” has made me instantly skeptical of any similar scare du jour.

    Given that politicians and the media lie about everything all the time, it pays to always assume they’re bull shitting, to prevent any future buyer’s regret.

    Bat Flu has proven to be no exception, apart from the “cure” being infinitely worse than the disease.


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  33. srr says:

    “Nice to be a little bit pregnant.

    This is the sort of chickensh*t advice our governments are taking seriously and depending on.”
    ___________________

    Yeah but when it gets delivered to us by Cat ladies it must be swallowed whole, no questions asked, lest one get’s shuffled onto The Cat ladies, ‘Lets point the bullshit loaded ,social death, bone at ’em’, List.


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  34. feelthebern says:

    If you have $US500k to invest (plus fees) you can effectively move to the US for the rest of your life.
    Even less if you are ok with what they classify as a regional area.


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  35. Rorschach says:

    Back then I still had a smidgen of respect for Australia’s elected leaders.

    Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can change in the space of one year. Rome fell over a course of a couple of hundred years from the golden age of Marcus Aurelius to the sack. How far along are we already? The Barbarian hordes are knocking at the gates!


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  36. Professor Higgins says:

    feelthebern says:

    August 11, 2021 at 2:09 pm

    If you have $US500k to invest (plus fees) you can effectively move to the US for the rest of your life.
    Even less if you are ok with what they classify as a regional area.

    I would regard moving to a regional area as a feature, not a bug.
    Maine/Vermont for the summer, somewhere further South (not Florida) for the winter.


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  37. calli says:

    Yeah but when it gets delivered to us by Cat ladies it must be swallowed whole, no questions asked, lest one get’s shuffled onto The Cat ladies, ‘Lets point the bullshit loaded ,social death, bone at ’em’, List.

    No one stopped you reading it and commenting.

    No one made you do anything.

    The only “social death bone” I see being pointed is directly at Rosie. But point away. I doubt she cares.


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  38. Vicki says:

    https://www.countdowntothekingdom.com/following-the-experts/

    Don’t let the religious blog site deter you. This discussion has sourced interviews with all the major dissenting virologists, immunologists et al.
    Just sit through intro to hear some of the more compelling (and outraged) arguments against the vaccines from the most senior giants of virology.

    It is first rate


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  39. DrBeauGan says:

    It appears some here only want to read news from sources they “like”. What happened to examining information from all sources and then making up your mind?

    This wild idea is based on the myth that human beings are rational animals and form their opinions by looking at the evidence. This is quite clearly false in most cases; the great majority form an opinion by looking to see what their gang believes. If they choose a gang to join, it’s on the basis of empathy with other members of the gangs. Having chosen a gang, you just adopt the opinions of the gang. It saves the agony and anguish of thought, and if you’re going to be wrong, at least you’ll have congenial company.

    This is the awful reality: for most of the human species, this is how you decide your beliefs. It’s a social thing. Objective reality for most consists entirely of the beliefs of their friends and neighbours. Arguing with them is counterproductive because a counter to their beliefs just demonstrates that you are in the wrong gang, hence a baddie, and to be resisted in the interests of showing your own gang how devout you are.


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  40. srr says:

    “Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can change in the space of one year.”
    ____________

    But it hasn’t been a year.
    It’s been decades.
    Decades of those giving warning of what indeed has come to be, being branded ‘Conspiracy Nuts’, fobbed off & mocked.

    OK, that’s to be expected, that’s human nature, BUT, why people still run off to take the mockers’ word as gospel despite seeing they’ve lied to them for decades, well I suppose that can only be put down to, ‘Chester & Spike-ism’.


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  41. rickw says:

    The Barbarian hordes are knocking at the gates!

    A good option compared to the Barbarians currently running the show.

    Which is exactly how societies collapse. The majority decides to stop playing.


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  42. Vicki says:

    “Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can change in the space of one year.”

    I just can’t get my head around it – it’s extraordinary.

    My daughter has just informed me that my 15 year old granddaughter has been informed by Medicare that she will have an account independent of her parents. All rebates will go to her bank account. And…wait for this….they registered her identity by way of “voice recognition”!!!!

    How could anything go wrong????

    BTW even daughter, who is dismissive of my usual concerns, broached the subject hesitantly….’Mum, you are not gong to like this…”


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  43. Steve trickler says:

    If you are up for a 30 minute digital walk. Check this out.

    Bald and Bankrupt:

    🇺🇦 Doing the simplest of tasks like popping to the shop for a loaf of bread is no simple thing in Kryvyi Rih. That’s because it’s seemingly the longest city in the bloody world and going anywhere takes a bloody eternity. However I was on a mission to seek out its Soviet past so I stopped complaining and set off on an adventure in search of an old dude with a Lada. Join me as we go back in time to good old Kryvyi Rig, Ukraine’s most frustrating city.

    Ukraine’s Intolerably Long City: Kryvyi Rih 🇺🇦

    All the best for Victor, the bloke in the blue car, educated in economics but not having much luck obtaining gainful employment in the field. I reckon that situation will change. Unless or course, he is bullshitting.

    Millions of people will know about him soon.


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  44. srr says:

    The Babylon Bee @TheBabylonBee 7h ·

    Nation Agrees To Get Vaccinated In Exchange For TikTok Influencers Being Launched Into The Sun

    https://babylonbee.com/news/hesitant-agree-to-get-vaccinated-in-exchange-for-tiktok-influencers-being-launched-into-the-sun?utm_source=Gab&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=Gab
    __________________

    If’ you’re not laughing, it’s likely you’re one of the countless Pro-Jab
    “Influencers”/Paid Propagandists on ‘Social’ Media.


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  45. Gilas says:

    DrBeauGan says:
    August 11, 2021 at 2:26 pm

    It appears some here only want to read news from sources they “like”. What happened to examining information from all sources and then making up your mind?

    This wild idea is based on the myth that human beings are rational animals and form their opinions by looking at the evidence. This is quite clearly false in most cases
    ===================================

    Yes, but not in all.
    Many here can shift through the BS and hold valid, evidence-based views which run against the prevailing narratives.
    It helps to have a naturally questioning mind and some natural resistance to group pressures.
    Over the last 10 years, the MSM has become unwatchable, replacing reporting with blatant, not even cleverly disguised, opinion. That, they can stick up their collective rectums.
    Governments have always been deceitful, now they are not even pretending.

    I have lost many “friends” when expressing unpopular but rationally-argued positions on controversial topics, of which there are many.

    To that, I say: Fuck them! If I want to talk to a sub-human intellect, I’ll get a pet.


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  46. Old bloke says:

    rickw says:
    August 11, 2021 at 1:57 pm

    Any other options? My kids all have a second passport but I don’t!!!

    Buy a boat, take up piracy on the high seas as a career.


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  47. Steve trickler says:

    Oops.

    All the best for Victor, was from me.


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  48. Gilas says:

    Vicki says:
    August 11, 2021 at 2:31 pm

    “Isn’t it amazing how the whole world can change in the space of one year.”
    ====================================

    Yes, it is.
    Many have pointed this out on the Old Cat: “What a time to be alive!”
    We are actually seeing the fall of the West in real time.

    Sit back, keep you head down, prep-up and enjoy the show..
    …unless you want to, you know, actually DO something about it.


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  49. DrBeauGan says:

    My explanation of how people form their opinions above explains why for so many, an argument against an opponent consists of very little in the way of evidence and a great deal in the way of abuse.


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  50. rickw says:

    Bald and Bankrupt

    I like his walk through’s, pretty cool!


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