Open Thread – Thursday 5 August 2021

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  1. min says:

    Only two hecklers but it has started Melburnians are starting to ark up . Won’t be long now.


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  2. Steve trickler says:

    One more to mull over. Just started to watch. 40:36.

    Reiner Fuellmich Updates From Australia 6th August 2021


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  3. Ruprecht says:

    Just who are the Gang of Four ? I didn’t know that Mao Tse Tung was a Cat


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  4. Speedbox says:

    Winston Smith says:
    August 11, 2021 at 3:58 pm

    Yes, that was a hyper cunning plan by Eli Cohen who was an Israeli spy. He eventually became the chief advisor to Syria’s Minister of Defence. A remarkable story and an incredibly brave man.

    There is also a movie on Netflix “The Spy” that details Cohen’s story. Well worth watching.


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  5. incoherent rambler says:

    Mao Tse Tung was a Cat

    Mouse tongue is a cat entree


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  6. Professor Higgins says:

    Who are the Gang of Four, Bird?


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  7. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    I understand the Queen gave most of her estates to the government and they pay her allowances in lieu

    +1


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  8. ragu:
    “I think some here need to smoke a doobie and calm down a bit.”
    **********************************************************
    Perhaps a valium or two…
    Good humour and Bonhomie for all, please waitperson.
    Or if you want a picture of the future, read the Kelly Turnbull series by Kurt Schlicter.
    I’ve just gone past the bit where the mob try to unwoke the head of the Peoples Bureau of Investigation.

    A teaser for you…
    “Everthing the PBI has become today, with its rape culture and hegemony of macro-oppressions betrays the legacy of J.Edgar Hoover and his resistance to cisgender normative internal security work!” Nosering screeched, the bullhorn in xir right hand, xir left gesturing toward the statue of Hoover in a dress looming above them.
    More finger snapping, scattered up-twinkling.

    Honestly, the books are a hoot..


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  9. Figures says:

    “It appeared to be very serious back then.”

    It’s a battle of epistemology.

    My epistemological framework is that I use first principles logic to work out what is plausible first. There’s wriggle room but Austrian economics and anti-vax are non-negotiable for anybody with such a framework.

    The other epistemological framework is to only believe whatever journalists tell you is plausible (or implausible) and then quibble over seemingly major but actually minor differences.

    So I knew that the COVID virus story was a lie because it wasn’t possible. So “observations” like Italians dying in hospitals or Chinese people lying down on the street didn’t make me scared.

    And just to illustrate my point, in the space of three months from January 2020 we went from nigh on 100 per cent of the world’s population thinking lockdowns were preposterous to 95 per cent believing that it was preposterous not to have a lockdown.

    Those 95 per cent have an epistemological framework that’s designed to fit in but is completely useless at determining truth. They can’t help but continually contradict themselves because they’re continuously moving with the narrative. By the way, it’s not a bug it’s a feature because such people prefer to fit in than make any sense.

    Not a single one of my positions changed because the laws of logic didn’t change. I thought banning travel was crazy, banning church was crazy, banning business was crazy, wearing masks was crazy, getting experimental vaccines was crazy.

    My views are the same as they were in 2019 and the same as everybody else’s in 2019. But most people don’t think at all like me so my consistency is useless for persuasion.

    This is why the Overton window is so important. When you say “the virus is real and deadly but lockdowns are a step too far” you’ve already lost. Same for when you point out their inconsistencies – most of the time you just end up admitting a lot of their beliefs are correct.

    You instead need to contimuously ratchet up your positions.

    For example “this COVID vaccine is a farce. Not only am I sure this vaccine is a fraud but I’m starting to think the entire vaccine industry is a fraud too.”

    But you won’t. So we will lose.


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  10. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    FG,
    every day that goes by, that’s all we get from Clennell. It’s like he is salivating for it so he can say “I woz right; see, I understand politics.”


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  11. rickw says:

    Well done, fascist arsehole!

    Fuck I hate Dickhead Dan.


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  12. H B Bear says:

    around at least half the comments here are from loons and snarks

    Wonder which category I fall into? Like to think it would be snarks but you never know how others see you.


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  13. Vicki says:

    “Has anyone considered that the vaccine is causing the outbreak directly? Of course not, how could that be.”

    Yes- its related to ADEs:

    See: Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies Authors: Wen Shi Lee, Adam K. Wheatley, Stephen J. Kent & Brandon J. DeKosky
    Nature Microbiology volume 5, pages 1185–1191 (2020)


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  14. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Peter:
    Is this all settled now, and this is the final site for the “new” Catallaxy Files.
    Will open threads be as regular as previous

    For us it is and yes there looks to be a regularity of OTs.

    As to Steve and the other posters, Adam, our new Doomlord, hopefully, may know something on that. Certainly, from what he put up on the first day of the new place, he’s keen to get back some of the previous posters and attract others.


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  15. rickw says:

    Wonder which category I fall into? Like to think it would be snarks but you never know how others see you.

    You’re in the “no pants” category!


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  16. Crossie says:

    Given that politicians and the media lie about everything all the time, it pays to always assume they’re bull shitting, to prevent any future buyer’s regret.

    —————–

    Rabz, I think the journalists really believe what they write and report because they don’t know any better, they have been miseducated. These are all early to mid-20s and the perfect vehicles to disseminate everything they are fed by those who should know better, the politicians, bureaucrats and so-called scientists. Editors also bear a heavy responsibility for the state of their industry but if they want to kill it we should let them.

    Some years ago Ben Rhodes, who served in the Obama White House, commented on journalists that they know nothing and are easy to manipulate.


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  17. kaysee says:

    Learning to live with COVID-19

    Dr. Deena Hinshaw, Chief Medical Officer of Health in Alberta:

    We will not eliminate COVID, which means we need to learn how to live with it. Testing every person with a runny nose or sore throat is an extraordinary measure that we cannot sustain, particularly through the respiratory virus season. Legally mandating everyone to stay home for 10 days if they have any symptoms is also an extraordinary measure.


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  18. calli says:

    I just want to be able to see somebody’s actual face, not their gormless expression behind a freedom muzzle

    A Fruzzle?

    Mongdom?


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  19. Vicki says:

    ‘we are watching to see if there is anyone worth watching, with decency, common sense and the integrity and guts to tell the truth.”

    That would be Rowan Dean and others from “Outsiders” & “The Spectator”(Australia).

    Very few elsewhere. Maybe Adam Creighton…Steve Waterson…


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  20. Crossie says:

    Indolent says:
    August 11, 2021 at 4:13 pm
    “Andrews said the appearance of new ‘mystery’ cases, with no established link to prior infections, remains a “real concern” to state health authorities.”
    ——————————————————

    Has anyone considered that the vaccine is causing the outbreak directly? Of course not, how could that be.

    ==================

    That would require actual discussion and looking at all possibilities. These are now forbidden and declared as conspiracy theories.


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  21. Rockdoctor says:

    RD, do you mean that the app on the phone allowed the cops to know their movements without checking in, or they had used it to check in?

    Sorry BBS, was out for a walk. Yeah from what I was told the cops knew everything because they had been doing the right thing and signing in. Apparently what saved them in the end, the bread crumb trail led nowhere near a locked down precinct.

    Only thing I could deduce is from Rego they can cross check names on the contact tracer in real time.


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  22. Crossie says:

    Just on Clennell. He’s one of the noisiest voices on lockdowns – in fact all he does is goad Gladys to go harder. It’s ok for him, there’s no loss of income and little inconvenience – another f*wit journalist who’s not interested in the suffering of those in voter land just the narrative.

    ———————

    He is a nasty piece of work and I always change channels when he is being introduced on any Sky show.


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  23. Speedbox says:

    Kev says:
    August 11, 2021 at 4:07 pm

    Yes and no Kev.

    There are two groups. One is the ‘Crown Estate’ which includes things like Buck Palace, Windsor Castle and a number of others and then there is the private residences like Balmoral and Sandringham that are actually owned by the Queen via the Duchy of Lancaster which is the Queen’s private ‘holding company’. Charles has something similar with his ‘Duchy of Cornwall’ which is how he gets his income because he doesn’t get money from the Crown Estate.

    Under the Sovereign Grant Act the Queen receives 25 per cent of the revenue from the Crown Estate which comes from tourists visiting Buck Palace and Windsor etc. That money is used to fund the staff at the official households.

    The Duchy of Lancaster and the Duchy of Cornwall own vast amounts of prime real estate in London and elsewhere plus many tens (hundreds?) of thousands of hectares of prime farming land that is leased out etc. I don’t know what they would be collectively worth but it would be in the billions of $.


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  24. rickw says:

    Mongdom?

    Ha ha ha!!!!


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  25. srr says:

    Catholicus Romanus ✝ @CatholicusRoman 27m ·
    ·
    Canada News
    Ontario says COVID jab not mandatory for school kids, no segregation based on vaccine status
    ‘Any policy to penalize students, athletes, or employees for declining the experimental COVID vaccines is antithetical to a free and equal society,’
    civil liberties lawyer James Kitchen says.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/ontario-says-covid-jab-not-mandatory-for-school-kids-no-segregation-based-on-vaccine-status/?utm_source=top_news&utm_campaign=catholic


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  26. H B Bear says:

    You’re in the “no pants” category!

    Sui generis then one would hope.


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  27. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    Yes, that was a hyper cunning plan by Eli Cohen who was an Israeli spy. He eventually became the chief advisor to Syria’s Minister of Defence. A remarkable story and an incredibly brave man.

    Brought undone partly by his own poor fieldcraft.
    Deepest of deep cover, yet conducted morse transmission sessions exceeding an hour in length.


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  28. Figures says:

    “Figures bro. They are set to make a liar out of you.”

    You seem to think it’s possible for me to be wrong on this.

    It isn’t. There are no replicating pathogens because if there were, no organism could possibly exist. I’ve proven this.

    These vaccines are 100% useless and also dangerous (seemingly very dangerous) but they can’t do the impossible and result in greater susceptibility to non-existent replicating pathogens.


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  29. calli says:

    Is there a …. Gang?

    Can I be in it? Bags be General Spanky. I’ll buy some bib and brace. Already have a nice heavy lump hammer.


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  30. Knuckle Dragger says:

    I’m a ‘four-kid intellect’. At least. Excellent.

    Eat shit, you triple-kid losers. Two or less? Don’t even speak to me. You have no right.


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  31. thefrollickingmole says:

    .”I understand the Queen gave most of her estates to the government and they pay her allowances in lieu…”

    Was only reading for the first time about this yesterday.
    Had no idea the royals are the most taxed people on earth..
    Apparently government trousers around 70% of the incomes and as Kev says, rest “runs’ the monarchy.


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  32. Dot says:

    Serious question.

    Who is worse?

    Louise Milligan or Wendy Bacon?


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  33. srr says:

    Catholicus Romanus ✝ @CatholicusRoman 6m ·
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    Finland is protecting children from puberty blockers
    Increasingly, it appears that the Europeans are recognizing the dangers of the transgender craze. Now, it is the Finns.

    Those of you who read the North American mainstream media can be forgiven for believing that there is an ironclad consensus on sex change surgeries and puberty blockers.

    The media monolith assures us constantly that these so-called treatments are life-saving; that they prevent suicides; that parents who wish to delay their children from pursuing them should be sidelined; that they are fundamental healthcare.

    States seeking to restrict these permanent alterations to the human body (which include life-long sterility and, in many cases, the loss of natural sexual function) are cast as “attacking transgender children” and portrayed as little better than the segregationist states of the Sixties.

    Almost no attention has been paid to the vigorous debate going on in Europe on this same subject.
    Read more –
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/finland-transgender-puberty-blocker-guidelines/?utm_source=home_blogs&utm_campaign=usa


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  34. Roger says:

    Yeah from what I was told the cops knew everything because they had been doing the right thing and signing in.

    —————————

    I believe QLD police can access your sign in record but only with a warrant.

    And police would never do the wrong thing by a law abiding citizen, eh?


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  35. kaysee says:

    jupes says:
    August 10, 2021 at 9:11 pm

    George Christensen condemned by Parliament for spreading COVID-19 misinformation

    Here is the misinformation:

    In a brief speech to Parliament just before Question Time, Mr Christensen called for an end to measures such as masks and lockdowns, arguing they did not work.

    George Christensen and others who make a case should back it up with facts and sources. In this case, those who condemned him would also be seen to be condemning the WHO and its special envoy, Dr David Nabarro. There is also scientific evidence against masks.

    WHO warns against COVID-19 lockdowns due to economic damage

    (October 2020)
    Dr David Nabarro World Health Organization’s (WHO) special envoy on COVID-19

    “We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” Nabarro said.

    “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”

    Nabarro said tight restrictions cause significant harm, particularly on the global economy.
    “Lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never, ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer,” he said.

    (He says the above. Then claims he has been “misquoted”. )


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  36. calli says:

    They’re both Stichup Queens.

    But Bacon indoctrinates teaches, so it’s her past the post by a little round nose.


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  37. stillalive says:

    Occasional commenter and reader here reporting in that I have not worn a face mask throughout this nonsense. I am carrying printed copies of published studies (edited down to a couple of pages) on the impacts/health side effects of medical mask wearing with me in case anyone asks. But no hassles to date. It does require some steel in one’s spine to be the only one or one of a few out maskless; some days the stares of disdain can make a person grit their teeth. In any case, it is doable and I’m a chick under 5’6″ in makeup and lippy etc.


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  38. Professor Higgins says:

    But this is war time. 

    What?
    You are the second person here to declare war in less than 24 hours.
    Coincidentally, the other one was a wide-eyed spittle-flecked lunatic as well.


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  39. Speedbox says:

    Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:
    August 11, 2021 at 4:59 pm

    Yes, that was puzzling. Surely he should have realised the danger…….but apparently not. He was a bit ‘lucky’ at other times as well. In any event the story of the trees on the Golan Heights is a classic.


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  40. cohenite says:

    See: Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies Authors: Wen Shi Lee, Adam K. Wheatley, Stephen J. Kent & Brandon J. DeKosky
    Nature Microbiology volume 5, pages 1185–1191 (2020)

    As to the vaccines aggravating the condition itself or mutating the chunk virus see:

    90% Of Patients Treated With Experimental Israeli COVID Drug Discharged Within 5 Days

    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/90-patients-treated-experimental-israeli-covid-drug-discharged-within-5-days?utm_campaign=&utm_content=Zerohedge%3A+The+Durden+Dispatch&utm_medium=email&utm_source=zh_newsletter

    Last paragraph:

    The scientists are preparing to begin the Phase 3 trial, which they hope to complete by the end of the year. That probably couldn’t happen quickly enough, since the world is already waking up to the fact that the vaccines originally marketed as more than 90% effective are actually helping the virus to mutate into more virulent strains.


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  41. Professor Higgins says:

    H B Bear says:

    August 11, 2021 at 4:43 pm

    around at least half the comments here are from loons and snarks

    Wonder which category I fall into? Like to think it would be snarks but you never know how others see you.

    Not easy pigeon-hole.
    I’d say snark before your second coffee of the day, then loon in the evenings.


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  42. Professor Higgins says:

    Come on Bird.
    I just need “International Bankers” for the Bingo win.
    You can do it!


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  43. Dot says:

    “I’m pretty sure covid is spreading because the usual suspects are doing whatever they want.”

    False positives: typically estimated to be> 0.3%, but we have approximately 100,000+ tests, usually less than 300 “cases” per day in NSW.


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  44. Eddystone says:

    Can anyone help me?

    I’m looking for video of a female official/medico getting vaccinated on camera in the early days of the vaccine rollout.

    They were trying to show how safe it was, but she collapsed virtually within seconds of the jab, whilst still on camera.

    I’m not sure if it was Australia, but I believe so.

    It looked quite serious, and I would like to revisit the video and maybe track down what happened to her.


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  45. Professor Higgins says:

    calli says:

    August 11, 2021 at 5:00 pm

    Is there a …. Gang?

    Can I be in it? 

    No.
    The gang of four already has nine members.
    One more and we have to trade the Tarago.


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  46. Roger says:

    Who is worse?

    Louise Milligan or Wendy Bacon?

    ———————–

    I’ll bite…Milligan.

    Bacon actually did some serious journalism exposing official corruption in the ’80s.

    That serves as something of a redeeming factor in a career otherwise devoted mostly to being a ratbag/enfant terrible.


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  47. thefrollickingmole says:

    “…I just need “International Bankers” for the Bingo win….”

    Im banking on the Rothchilds and “Hitler started israel”, anyone else close?

    Also reminds me of an old joke I was assured isnt.

    How do you make a room full of old ladies say “fuck”

    Have one of them shout out bingo!.

    Apparently some pof the old dears take the game to cutthroat lengths.


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  48. Timothy Neilson says:

    There are no replicating pathogens because if there were, no organism could possibly exist. I’ve proven this.
    *******
    No you haven’t. You’ve just consistently beclowned yourself.
    You’re mentally incapable of comprehending anything other than a single variable absolute 100% either/or binary proposition, and you attempt to force that mental deficiency onto the discussion in general.
    You’re like Helen Keller commenting on dance musicals.


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  49. Callie:
    “It appeared to be very serious back then. No one knew much at all, and there was a barrage of film from China and other places suggesting something out of a horror movie (and it’s interesting to recall what exactly was trending on Netflix and the like). The buying up of PPE and other pandemic necessities was another indicator, even as Pelosi encouraged Americans to go to Chinatown and celebrate New Year. We even monitored traffic in Wuhan.”
    **************************************************************************
    Damn straight it seemed serious then.
    I remember I got sucked in, well and truly.
    Then when the lockdown #2 arrived, my doubts coalesced – if the first lockdown didn’t work, why do it again?
    Then I realised there were no videos available of people dying on our streets. Did this ?virus only infect Chinese?
    The facts we were able to gather pointed at a massive disinformation campaign – why?
    The story then wrote itself…


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  50. calli says:

    That probably couldn’t happen quickly enough, since the world is already waking up to the fact that the vaccines originally marketed as more than 90% effective are actually helping the virus to mutate into more virulent strains.

    *hand up*

    Does “more virulent” mean more transmissible? It’s a scary v word.

    Or does it mean more transmissible, less debilitating (as mutating viruses apparently tend to do)? Ie. Cases do not necessarily = illness leading to death.

    So many questions, so few sensible answers.


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  51. Dot says:

    The original?

    No.

    The soy voiceover guy spits the official line.

    Old World Radio 2
    7 months ago
    “Has a medical condition and faints often” …and she’s a NURSE!? HAHAHAHAHA!!!! Wake up people!

    8.6K

    zahedah80
    zahedah80
    7 months ago
    If they knew she fainted often, they wouldn’t have chosen her to be featured

    920

    James Gibson
    James Gibson
    7 months ago
    So they choose a nurse who has a history of fainting to demo the vaccine. Does that make sense?

    Gospel Outside
    6 months ago
    The psychology behind this psyop is like one I have never studied before. The twists and turns of truth and lies to build more lies out of truth, the gaslighting, the pathology… is truly mind blowing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9agUz5cQCk


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  52. Dot says: