Documentary: Died Suddenly

Posted by Steve trickler  (in the Open Thread)

From the Stew Peters Network:

Why do we never believe them? For centuries, the global elite have broadcast their intentions to depopulate the world – even to the point of carving them into stone. And yet … we never seem to believe them.

The Stew Peters Network is proud to present DIED SUDDENLY, from the award winning filmmakers, Matthew Skow and Nicholas Stumphauzer.
They are the minds behind WATCH THE WATER and THESE LITTLE ONES, and now have a damning presentation on the truth about the greatest ongoing mass genocide in human history.



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  1. mh says:

    Not sure how much this will add to the debate, but
    Died Suddenly is trending

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  2. kaysee kaysee says:

    Died Suddenly is trending

    From that thread, some helpful quotes.

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  3. kaysee kaysee says:

    Forbes tells us the depopulation claims in the film are yet another conspiracy theory about Covid-19 vaccines.

    New ‘Died Suddenly’ Film Pushes Unfounded Depopulation Claims About Covid-19 Vaccine

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  4. Steve trickler says:

    New ‘Died Suddenly’ Film Pushes Unfounded Depopulation Claims About Covid-19 Vaccine

    Bruce Y. Lee.

    That is written to appeal to googlebox watchers and braindead MSM consumers.

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  5. Steve trickler says:

    Give it 24 hours and then go on a search for those “debunking” it. It’ll be all the usual suspects.

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  6. Steve trickler says:

    That didn’t take long.


    Bruce Y. Lee.

    I’ll keep it simple, he’s a BIG PHARMA shill.

    Currently, he is a Professor of Health Policy and Management at the City University of New York (CUNY) School of Public Health where he is the Executive Director of the Center for Advanced Technology and Communication in Health (CATCH) at CUNY, which aims to develop and implement new technologies and approaches to help decision making and communication in health and public health, and Executive Director of the Artificial Intelligence, Modeling, and Informatics for Nutrition Guidance and Systems (AIMINGS) Center. Dr. Lee is also the founder and Executive Director of PHICOR (Public Health Computational and Operations Research) which develops and uses computational methods, models, and tools to help decision-making. His previous positions include serving as Professor by Courtesy at the Johns Hopkins Carey Business School, Associate Professor of International Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Executive Director of the Global Obesity Prevention Center (GOPC), Director of Operations Research at the International Vaccine Access Center (IVAC), Associate Professor at the University of Pittsburgh, Senior Manager at Quintiles Transnational, working in biotechnology equity research at Montgomery Securities, and co-founding Integrigen.Dr. Lee has been the Principal Investigator for over $59 million in grants/contracts from a variety of organizations and agencies including the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the Agency for Healthcare Quality and Research (AHRQ), the National Science Foundation (NSF), the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), UNICEF, the Global Fund, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID).


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  7. mh says:

    Someone attempted to get ahead of the release of this doco by instructing the ABC dimwit Norman Swan to say national icon Shane Warne died of Covid.

    Thankfully there was pushback, so all is not lost.

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  8. mh says:

    I think I’ll pass on Died Suddenly for now. The people in denial of it, repeating the mantras of mainstream television are the most embarrassing sheeple to be surrounded by, and for sure the movie isn’t going to be entirely accurate, albeit it brings up a necessary discussion.

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  9. mh says:

    Tron Carter
    Shout out to everyone who died suddenly after trying to save grandma by receiving the experimental COVID-19 jab. I’m unvaxxed and my grandmother is doing quite well.

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  10. mh says:

    World Premiere: Died Suddenly

    Stew Peters Network Published November 21, 2022 1,541,907 Views

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  11. Dave Brewer says:


    I think it’s very possible that the main message here is correct, i.e. that the Covid vaccines produces this nasty fibrous gunk that can kill. This seems to be along the same lines that Bakhdi, Malone and others have stated, i.e. that the vaccine makes your body make the spike, in unpredictable numbers, and that this spike scrapes and damages your capillaries.

    However, I don’t buy the narrative around it of Bill Gates and others wanting to kill people with the vaccine. I am pretty sure that what Gates means when he talks about reducing future world population through vaccines and other health measures is that people will have fewer children if those children survive. In any case he would have to be a nutcase to announce in a no-doubt heavily rehearsed TED talk that he wanted to kill people with vaccines, even if that was really his idea.

    Two other objections:

    1. If Gates, Biden, Fauci and whoever else knew the vaccine was toxic, why did they take it themselves, and if they didn’t, where is the evidence of this?

    2. If killing off millions to control population growth was the aim, why start in advanced Western countries where birth rates are already below replacement level? Vaccination rates are 90-odd per cent in the West; less than 20% in Sub-Saharan Africa which has the fastest population growth.

    3. The whole Covid vaccine process was so rushed and botched they wouldn’t have even had time to find this “gunk” problem before the vaccines were deployed. That was a disgrace and reckless, but it speaks against deliberate “eugenics” motives.

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  12. mh says:

    Over 2 million views on Rumble alone on the first day.

    Died Suddenly was the vax doco that went mainstream.

    Now it needs to be shown on CH9 Sunday night in place of 60 minutes.

    Vale Warnie.

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  13. mh says:



    Any discussions with the uneducated, ie most Australians, tell them to watch Died Suddenly on Rumble.

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  14. mh says:

    …Much like Twitter, Facebook is working to keep the Died Suddenly documentary offline as well. Facebook though, has gone beyond simply removing links to the film, or manipulating trending topics of discussion.

    In a screenshot obtained by National File, when a Facebook user tried to post a link to the new “Died Suddenly” film, they were censored as soon as they hit the “post” button.

    As if they’d swiped a bad credit card, Facebook told the user that their post had been “declined,” and wouldn’t allow it on the website…

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  15. mh says:


    Norwegian Health Institute say they are NOT giving recommendations for adults 18-64 to take the boosters

    With many top doctors in the country saying they won’t take it themselves.


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  16. mh says:

    The Canadian Independent
    Watch: Prominent Virologist Dr. A. Oveta Fuller, who advocated for emergency use authorization of three Covid vaccines, has died suddenly from a brief unknown illness.

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  17. Steve trickler says:

    Dave Brewer says:
    November 23, 2022 at 12:59 am

    Are you basing your thoughts on just the documentary itself?

    No point going any further until you answer that question.

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  18. kaysee kaysee says:

    However, I don’t buy the narrative around it of Bill Gates and others wanting to kill people with the vaccine…

    The premise of the NWO/Great Reset is based on the theory that there are too many people on this planet. These extra useless people (that is us, the mere proles) are using up the finite resources available in this world.

    Gates has not described the plan as wanting “to kill people with the vaccines” but it has been implied.

    There has been enough information (by ways of links from various sources) that has been posted on this blog to prove the depopulation agenda. It would take some time to find the links but here are a few related posts that may help.

    WHO Agenda: Pandemics and World Domination

    Bill Gates: The Know-It-All World Controller

    Cyborgs as the New Masters of the World

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  19. kaysee kaysee says:

    Two other objections:

    You have listed three objections.

    1. Where is the evidence that Gates, Biden, Fauci et al were actually injected with the Covid vaccine? That is, whatever was jabbed into their arms, for public display, was the toxic Covid vaccine?

    2. Killing off millions?
    Check out what Gates has already done in countries like Africa and India under the guise of “health programs” for the poor.
    Covid, as a global pandemic, was just the next step.

    3. The Covid pandemic and vaccines have been in the planning process for several years.

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  20. Steve trickler says:

    All the links will show when you click on the link below.


    Amazing Polly:

    Links to My COVID/Medical Mafia Investigation Videos

    Starting in March 2020 I began researching almost every aspect of the COVID ‘pandemic’ so as to document the world’s largest Psychological Operation in real time. Below, you will find most of those videos, listed in chronological order.

    Some of the info below – such as the fact that Fauci and the NIH / NIAID did indeed fund the gain-of-function research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology – is just breaking through to the mainstream now. If you were following me, you are a YEAR ahead of the news cycle. If you’ve just found me recently it might be worth going back in time to see what else I covered as it was happening.

    If you are looking for a specific topic, I have added keywords under each of the video descriptions so you can use Ctrl+F and search by topic.

    Mar 05, 2020
    Now This is a Killer App
    The virus has given China a perfect excuse to run a cruel social experiment on millions of people. How? They’re doing it with SMARTphones and a code inserted into a popular app. If we don’t smarten up, this will be implemented here.
    keywords: China, pandemic, social credit, vaccine passports, track and trace, contact tracing, smartphone, apps, Big Brother

    Mar 07, 2020
    Globalists Susceptible to Their Own Virus
    This Covid19 -Corona virus thing is damaging the Globalists’ network and exposing their connections! The early adopters of shutdowns just happen to be the same organizations / businesses who always profit from progressivism and cultural Marxism. It’s fascinating to track the overlap and thereby expose the larger network.
    keywords: Trump, Bolsonaro, fake news, Columbia University, MIT, Silicon Valley, Travel Restrictions, Border Closures, Globalism

    Mar 10, 2020
    Event 201 Global Pandemic
    Did you know that Bill & Melinda Gates, the CIA, the World Economic Forum, Bloomberg / Johns Hopkins, the UN Foundation & more ran a scenario for a Cor-na Virus Pandemic in December 2019? I have clips from that event to share with you as well as other shocking material.
    keywords: Flood the Zone, Trusted Voices, Coronavirus Planning Event, Avril Haines, Tim Evans, World Bank, George Gao, Jane Halton, Fake News, Pandemic Planning, WHO

    Mar 15, 2020
    Viral Marketing
    Using video of their Event 201 Pandemic strategy session, I show you how Global Organizations planned to dominate the messaging in the event of a global outbreak. We are living through that strategy right now. I end on a high note (I think!)
    keywords: flood the zone, trusted voices, control the message, propaganda, event 201, fake news, fearmongering, censorship, misinformation, disinformation, CDC

    Mar 20, 2020
    We Are Being Played
    Who exactly is handling the Corona Virus Task Force in the US? I look in to the back ground of Debra Birx which leads us to PEPFAR, which leads us to Bono and Bill Gates and the swampy depths of the Frankenstein Medical Industrial Complex. It’s GLOBAL.
    keywords: globalism, NGOs, AIDS, Pepfar, Debra Birx, Fauci, Bono, Bill and Melinda Gates, ONE, charities, HIV

    Mar 22, 2020
    Virus Task Force Boss Has Ukraine Connections!
    Is the Corona Virus ‘Pandemic’ connected to Impeachment?These Ukraine connections suggest it might be .. is the Swamp capable of this level of deception & evil?
    Birx, PEPFAR, CDC, State Department, Fauci, Pence, Impeachment, Marie Yovanovitch, Ukraine, AIDS charities, Soros, slush fund, color revolutions.

    Mar 27, 2020
    Fauci Ignores WHO Boss Crimes Against Humanity
    I bet people would be shocked to know that the current head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom, was involved in multiple unprosecuted potential crimes against humanity. Corona Task Force Boss Dr. Fauci loves it though.
    World Health Organization, WHO, Ethiopia, genocide, terrorism, Anthony Fauci

    Apr 01, 2020
    (Not So) Trusted Voices
    (noe: It’s interesting now, in May 2021, to look back at the early news stories as they were coming out.)
    Covering the Liars who are paid fear mongers. I go through the shameful lies & “mistakes” of the mainstream media and their “Trusted Voices” who supposedly want lockdowns… and then I show you what citizen journalists are doing to get to the truth.
    keywords: fake news, alternative media, travel restrictions, WHO., media lies, deception, propaganda, Ireland, Connor McGregor

    Apr 03, 2020
    Real World or Simulation?
    I don’t believe the news from Elmhurst hospital in New York, which is claiming to be overwhelmed, in need of ventilators, and using morgue trucks to deal with the dead. Let me show you why I think this is all theatre.
    Colleen Smith, NYC, Cuomo, propaganda, medical simulation

    Apr 11, 2020
    The 7-step Recipe For Creating Vaccine Demand
    BOOM! PROOF! This article from years ago exposes the CDC and the Pharma Inudstry’s collusion to spread lies about flu-deaths. They used altered definitions, manipulated statistics and modeling to stoke fear and create a market for annual flu vaccines.
    Also covered is Bill Gates crimes against the people of India when he injected millions with his polio vaccine. I read from RFK Jr. Lots of info in this video.
    Centers For Disease Control, Glen Nowak, influenza, Robert F. Kennedy Jr, infertility, paralysis, vaccine reactions, fearmongering, Big Pharma, how to lie with statistics

    Apr 29, 2020
    Beware the Contact Tracers
    The Public Health mafia (including the Clintons) are speaking in military language about an “army” of “front line” “agents” to question the associations & whereabouts of anyone who tested positive for the stupid v-i-r-u-s. I go over some information about the Nazi Eugenics program and how it began with a ‘concern for public health’ Eerie.
    I have lots to say about the players involved and how they connect to the mega swamp.
    Partners In Health, Ophelia Dahl, Clinton, Paul Farmer, Haiti, Frank Guistra, Accesso, Big Brother, smartphones, surveillance, apps, Contact Tracing, gestapo, Social Credit, data mining, Cuomo

    May 09, 2020
    The Global Health Mafia Protection Racket
    BOOM revelations get bigger as we go along. ONE OF MY MOST WATCHED VIDEOS
    Stay with me! I’ve discovered an organization called the Global Preparedness Monitoring Board which connects to ALL the major virus profiteers. I expose them along with many front organizations used by the Global Public Health Mafia.
    Globalism, Victor Dzau, National Academy of Medicine, GPMB, Coronavirus Pledging Event, fundraising, Fauci, CEPI, World Economic Forum, Gates, Schwab, World Bank, Jeremy Farrar, Wellcome Trust, United Nations, Duke, McGill, Tim Evans, Population Control, Pharma, Cabal

    May 13, 2020
    MORE Public Health Mafia Connections
    First half – Wuhan Virology Lab links to NIH & Soros, HR 6666
    Second half – Victor Dzau is EVERYWHERE. His fingers are in the MODELING as well! Also, more on Contact Tracing NGO ‘Partners in Health.’
    Imperial College, Gates, Dzau, Fauci, Gain of Function, Virology Lab, China, NIH, NIAID, IHME, Modeling, Modelling
    Globalism, Victor Dzau, GPMB, Coronavirus Pledging Event, fundraising, Fauci, CEPI, World Economic Forum, Gates, Schwab, World Bank, Jeremy Farrar, Wellcome Trust, United Nations, Duke, McGill, Jane Halton, cabal connections, fraud, Soros

    May 16, 2020
    Whistle blower Links to Health Mafia
    3 Stories – RFID syringes – US Official ‘Whistleblower’ re Hydroxychloroquine – SAGE panel lead in UK comes from Pharma
    I look at Patrick Vallance & the UK’s formerly secret Science Advisory panel which leads me to more Global Healh Mafia connections… and a connection back to the current self-described ‘whistleblower.’ Turns out they are all vaccine pushers, of course.
    England Swamp, Rick Bright, hydroxychloroquine, HCQ, Wellcome Trust, Vietnam, vaccines, tech, injections, tracking chip, Gates, BARDA, Decade of Vaccines, Fauci, WHO, Apiject

    May 27, 2020
    BOOM! Guess Who is Calling the Shots on Human Experimentation?
    I have to set the stage, so BOOM comes at about 10 minutes in.This is HUGE! Medical Ethics should be front and center right now what with Big Pharma and NGOs like the Gates Foundation trying to rush an experimental RNA vaccine to market. In this video I uncover a MASSIVE conflict of interest in the US. Who is Christine Grady?BONUS BOOM near the end.
    Fauci’s wife, NIH, Bioethics, Ezekiel Emanuel, communitarianism, experimental vaccines, mRNA, Anthony Fauci

    Jun 09, 2020
    Technofascist Takeover – 6 videos to watch and share
    I recommend 6 videos from several experts in their fields who all seem to be pointing in the same direction. They and I comment on the scamdemic, the proposed vaccines, the overthrow of our financial system & the Marxist riots. This is – without a doubt – the attempted imposition of the Technofascists’ dreamed of Digital Gulag called the 4th Industrial Revolution.
    Patrick Wood, Jon Rappoport, Catherine Austin Fitts, Spiro Skouras, James Corbett, Robert F Kennedy Jr.

    Jul 02, 2020
    Is This Torture?
    MUST WATCH – one of my most impactful videos and one that has inspired many others from creators and legal activists all over the world.
    By comparing our situation to the study of torture & coercion on Prisoners of War, I believe it becomes clear that what we are being put through with the virus response is a near perfect parallel to the Amnesty International definition of torture & Bidermans ‘Chart of Coercion.’ This is known as ‘no-touch torture.’ Psychological Torture. What effects does it have? Do you recognize yourself in this? I bet you will.
    breaking our will, interrogation techniques, mental torture, confusion technique, isolation, comparing lockdown to torture

    Jul 21, 2020
    Your Body is Their Weapon – We’re all Patients Now
    As a follow on to my “Is This Torture?” video, I discuss the way The Medical Tyranny is turning us all into Chronic Illness Outpatients. I rely on an excellent article by Sam Vaknin called “The Body As A Torture Chamber” and I apply his arguments to what is happening with the #Pandemic response.
    Sam Vaknin, Munchausen Syndrome, chronic illness, helplessness, doctor patient relationship, narcissism

    Aug 19, 2020
    Who Do You Trust?
    There are two competing narratives of the you know what. One is being pushed by people who are profiting from the pandemic, and they are using manipulation to spread fear. The other side of the story, buried by mainstream media & social media giants, is being represented by people on the ground who are risking everything to speak sense into this chaotic and insane panic.
    experts, COVID, pandemic, pharma, corruption, bioethics, Christine Grady, Ezekiel Emanuel, communism, communitarianism, informed consent, deplatforming, censorship, informed consent

    Nov 30, 2020
    This is Too Important – TAKE OFF THE MASKS
    If you want a future for yourself or your children, stop wearing the masks. I go over the experiments they have run on us vis a vis social conformity and I try to show that even science has been corrupted by the force of “group consensus.” You have to stand on your own two feet and not cave to the pressure of what everyone else is doing. It’s too important.
    maskers, anti-mask, submission, psychology, authorities, training, following, covid, courage, asch experiment, shocking experiment, obedience, Big Brother, psychological manipulation

    Dec 09, 2020
    Honest Experts Are Trying to Warn You! Vaccines, Lockdowns, Masks & More
    Very Important Info on the Other Side of the COVID story
    Thousands of experts are putting their careers, incomes, reputations & their very lives at risk to speak out against the COVID / Corona Hoax, especially against the experimental vaccine technology which is being rolled out worldwide.
    James Lyons-Weiler, Barrington Declaration, Virology, Virologists, Experts, censored, Doctors, There Is No Pandemic, Cahill, Tenpenny, ++ many more doctors from all over the world.

    Apr 23, 2021
    Medical Journal Corruption EXPOSED
    I discuss the horrifying reality behind “Scientific” Medical Journals using snippets from recent exposé by Off Guardian & a clip from Dr. Tenpenny & Dr. Lee Merritt. These publications are completely bought and paid for by the criminal Pharma Cabal, but more than that, they use ‘stories’ and ‘narratives’ written by non-researchers to figure out how to best fool the public!!

    May 11 2021
    I keep hearing people exclaim in frustration that “none of this makes any sense!!” … Well that depends on how you look at it. Let me explain.
    Technocracy, Build Back Better, Narrative, WEF, Cognitive dissonance, agenda, covid, NWO

    May 30 2021
    COVID is taking its toll on many people. The stress is enormous. Today I read a letter from Dr. David Gersten, an expert on PTSD, who believes there is a new condition called Quarantine Stress Disorder.
    PTSD, stress, torture, CIA, FBI

    June 4 2021
    This could have been the start of it all! The Grand Scam of “Emerging Diseases” and its relationship to the Lab Leak story, Gain of Function on viruses.
    Fauci, NIH, Ralph Baric, Chapel Hill, Wuhan Lab, Winnipeg, China, Gain of Function

    June 14 2021
    In 2009, the ‘ebola gene’ was smuggled out of a Canadian Level 4 lab. What happened with that? I share a potentially huge discovery! BOOM!
    WHO, Winnipeg Lab, Tedros Adhanom, Africa, Congo, Cote d’Ivoire, ebola, gain of function, NIH

    June 20 2021
    Politicians seem terrified. But why? I use Brian Pallister & Doug Ford as examples and show evidence of a bio-pharma-public health cartel.
    Manitoba, Canada, Ontario, weather modification, vaccines, ivermectin, Pallister, Ford, manipulation,

    July 10 2021
    I discuss some curiosities surrounding a huge fire that destroyed 90% of a town called Lytton. Is the province being punished for lifting COVID restrictions?
    BC Fires, Dr. Charles Hoffe, HARPP, weather modification, COVID, masking, mandates, public health

    July 28, 2021
    The top lies of Coronavirus (mixed with tangential rants & Documentary & Show Series recommendation.)
    PCR testing, gain of function, isolation of virus, mask myth, vaccine effectiveness, vaccine passports, parallel societies

    Aug 2, 2021
    Oh boy, you aren’t going to like this. I go over the history of ENTRUST, the company that has the contract for the Digital Passports in the UK (coming soon to your country?)
    Nazi, slave labour, passports, Quandts, Germany, BMW, ig farben, Entrust, WW2, chemical cartels, pharma

    Sept 17 2021
    Through the introduction of the ICU and Critical Care Ward, hospitals have been subverted by cold, calculating technicians who do not care about individual patients.
    Intensivists, ICU, patient care, patient transfer, critical care, Dr. Micheal Warner, hospital insurance, primary care, history of ICU, Leapfrog Group,, quality of care

    Aug 2, 2021
    First I set the stage by going over the INSANE “guidance” on adverse reactions and exemptions & at about 18 minutes I hit the detonator!
    Gates, Schwab, Pfizer, CEPI, Brighton Collaboration, World Health Organization, UN, The World Bank, Task Force for Global Health, GPMB, Welcome Trust, Tim Evans, Event 201, adverse reactions, coersion, vaccine exemptions,

    Oct 4, 2021
    More on the Global Mafia & how they are gaming the system. This is also a ‘rant’ video about those people who absolutely refuse to go after the players behind this attempted genocide.
    Vaccine injury, Gates, Schwab, Pfizer, CEPI, Brighton Collaboration, World Health Organization, UN, The World Bank, Sanofi, Pfizer, johnson & johnson, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Dr Fernando Pollack, NIH, Argentina, Vandrebilt, translational rese

    Nov 8, 2021
    This is a massive cover-up and you & your children could be in danger.
    BMJ, Pfizer, AstraZeneca, Dr. John Campbell, cover-up, whistleblower, Expert Panel on Medical Mandates and Vaccine Injury, Maddie De Garay, Brianne Dressen

    Nov 16, 2021
    Part 1: Meet Kelly Hale. Part 2: Authorities Make Their Move. Part 3: The People Unite!
    Shot over 4 incredible days of ups and downs, you will watch the drama unfold and be left inspired.
    The army of Everyday Heroes is growing larger and stronger every day!
    Inspirational, fighting back, mandates, Ontario, JAKK Tuesdays, Kelly Hale

    May 20, 2022
    BOOM! Caught Red Handed Planning Monkeypox Pandemic
    BOOM! The Public Health Mafia is caught red handed planning another ‘outbreak’ from which they can terrorize the public and make bank.
    Monkeypox, Pox, Event 201, WHO, NIAID, Fauci

    May 23, 2022
    I cover the US’s leading Orthopox Virus researcher who conducted at least 2 rounds of gain of function research on viruses related to smallpox. Other revelations about bio-terror ‘research’ in here too.
    Monkeypox, Gain of function, Outbreak, Event 201, WHO, NIAID, Fauci


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  21. mh says:



    Steve, is this number of views rare on Rumble?

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  22. mh says:

    Former Malaysian Prime Minister Discusses The Plans Of Globalists

    Tony Heller

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  23. Dave Brewer says:

    Sorry about giving 3 objections for 2, was a bit groggy yesterday.

    Re “Are you basing your thoughts on just the documentary itself?” No; although I’m also not sure I see the point of the question.

    I agree with a lot of what is said in the links, e.g.

    – the Elmshurst hospital megacrisis was a myth
    – Event 201 was virtually a dress-rehearsal for the Covid panic-demic
    – the vaccines are lousy and offer more risk than protection, at least for any healthy person under about 70
    – there is an extant application for funds for the Wuhan Institute of Virology to do gain-of-function research precisely targeting the furin cleavage site on coronavirus, making it extremely likely that that lab is the origin of the virus
    – Fauci was involved, though it’s hard to say exactly how: his e-mails suggest he was covering up his own role from the beginning
    – lockdowns, vaccine passports and tracing apps were dictatorial measures that didn’t work; masks are also useless
    – actually, none of the measures proposed and imposed have shown clear evidence of overall benefit; it is likely that every one of them caused more harm than good
    – AI is a threat to human freedom, autonomy and agency.

    I could go on, but you see in general where I am coming from.

    However, I have reservations re the idea of a carefully planned conspiracy. I just don’t see enough evidence of this. Where is the master plan? Who is consciously aware of it, and who is just being duped, and how do we know the difference? Where is the control centre?

    At the moment I am more inclined to believe the Covid panic-demic is just another mass delusion, of the same kind history has seen many times before, e.g. the Crusades, the Witch Mania, eugenics, global warming and all the rest. Humanity seems prone to these obsessive delusions, which drive them to irrational responses, fake solutions, meaningless rituals, and persecution of heretics. I recently read The Last Days of Socrates, a little book of extracts from Plato bearing on that subject. Socrates was condemned to death for (1) corrupting the minds of the young and (2) heresy, or impiety, in respect of Athenian religion. If you translate (1) as “disinformation” and (2) as “denial”, you have today’s intellectual climate.

    BTW being sceptical about a grand Covid conspiracy does not exclude bad motives. The vaccine companies are clearly using dishonest tactics to drag along academics, medical journals, regulators and the media in the interests of their bottom lines. Schwab is a dangerous megalomaniac. Public health wallahs and WHO bureaucrats push infectious diseases because it increases their power and budget. Politicians have been making hay with the chaos, etc. But these dishonorable motives are disparate, and not admitted or explicit.

    So, while I consider myself persuadable, for the moment I am sticking with my “catastrophic stuffup” Theory of History.

    For most practical purposes, this may not make much difference. Whether the Covid panic-demic is a shambles or a conspiracy, we still have to convince our fellow citizens that the wrong things have been done, with terrible consequences, and that freedom is vitally important and should never be curtailed in the same way again. Maybe that is actually easier if you don’t have to also persuade them to see a conspiracy for which the evidence is debatable.

    kaycee on your responses to my three points:

    1. I have no evidence that Gates, Biden, Fauci and all the rest actually took real vaccine as they publicly made out that they did. But they would need help to fake it. Is it really likely that they and our top politicians, health bureaucrats, ABC talking dickheads etc. faked their injections, yet no one has come forward with a single instance of legerdemain?

    2. Yes I have seen evidence of some very nasty abuse of vaccination in Africa. However, Covid vaccines don’t fit the model well. They were never going to penetrate much into Africa, which is the main source of world population growth. And crap vaccines are going to be found out, risking willingness to take other vaccines. Willingness is already low in Africa. Also, again, why focus on population control in the West, where birth rates are below replacement already, and still falling?

    3. While the mechanism for producing Covid vaccines has been around for years, it had never been successful, and one could argue that it still isn’t successful. But it’s quite a step from that to the idea that the current vaccines are a deliberate attempt at mass extermination.

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  24. mh says:

    ‘Died Suddenly’: Documentary shining light on fibrous clots goes viral

    … The producers showed clips of Bill Gates opining about lowering the world’s population with the help of vaccines, as well as various clips from mainstream media sources that seemingly promoted the population control ideology of British philosopher Thomas Malthus.

    In addition, it seems that the producers attempted to present a possible narrative to explain how the jabs are part of a larger attempt to depopulate the world.

    LifeSiteNews is not taking an editorial stance that endorses all the claims from the film, but much of what was presented about dangerous COVID-jab reactions is consistent with information that LifeSiteNews has been reporting since the jabs were rolled out.

    Ultimately, the reader can view the film in order to assess the information presented by the film makers.

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  25. mh says:

    In 2015 Former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad Warned Against Planned Global Genocide by Elites: “The Peace That We Will Get From This Is the Peace of the Graveyard.”

    “Basically, it is about having a world government. We should abolish all states, nations, and bodies but instead have only a one-world government. And that world government is to be by certain people, elites. People who are very rich, very intelligent, very powerful in many ways. They are the ones who will govern the world. There was not much talk about democracy or the choice of leaders, instead, there was to be a government by these elites who will impose their rules on everyone in this world. And for those who are unwilling to submit to them, there will be punishment,” Dr. Mahathir explained.

    “And the peace that we will get from this is the peace of the graveyard because the intention also is to reduce the number of people in this world. At the time when the New World Order has annunciated, the population of this world was only 3 billion. The intention was to reduce it to 1 billion. Now the population of the world is 7 billion. There would be a need to kill many billions of people or to starve them to death or to prevent them from giving birth in order to reduce the population of this world.”

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  26. Steve trickler says:

    Dave Brewer says:
    November 23, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    – Event 201 was virtually a dress-rehearsal for the Covid panic-demic

    Yet, you say this.

    However, I have reservations re the idea of a carefully planned conspiracy. I just don’t see enough evidence of this. Where is the master plan? Who is consciously aware of it, and who is just being duped, and how do we know the difference? Where is the control centre?

    You’ve got a LOT of catching up to do. Take your time.

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  27. mh says:

    The God Complex

    …Not many know this, but Soros actually believes he was anointed by God. “I fancied myself as some kind of God …” he once wrote.

    “If truth be known, I carried some rather potent messianic fantasies with me from childhood, which I felt I had to control, otherwise they might get me in trouble.”

    When asked by Britain’s Independent newspaper to elaborate on that passage, Soros simply said, “It is a sort of disease when you consider yourself some kind of God, the creator of everything, but I feel comfortable about it now since I began to live it out.”

    Soros has proven that with the vast resources of money at his command, he can make the once unthinkable acceptable.

    His work as a self-professed “amoral” financial speculator has left millions in poverty when their national currencies were devaluated, and he pumped so much cash into shaping former Soviet republics to his liking that he has bragged that the former Soviet empire is now the “Soros Empire.”

    This kind of “God complex” resides in many a global elite, particularly those born into families with tentacles sprawling deep into the corridors of power within the United States, the United Kingdom, France and even the Vatican.

    More than a century ago, the elites got together, forged a secret society on the pretext of bringing together masons, and drew up blueprints on ways to exert control over world economies and keep nation-states vulnerable and indebted…

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  28. mh says:

    Stew Peters Network Published November 21, 2022 5,697,217 Views

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  29. Old bloke says:

    Dave Brewer says:
    November 23, 2022 at 12:59 am

    2. If killing off millions to control population growth was the aim, why start in advanced Western countries where birth rates are already below replacement level? Vaccination rates are 90-odd per cent in the West; less than 20% in Sub-Saharan Africa which has the fastest population growth.

    That is a valid question, why was the culling (mass vaxxination) limited to Europe, Israel, and the English speaking world?

    Firstly, sub-Saharan Africa, and the more tropical regions of Asia weren’t severely impacted by the Covid-19 virus as the populations in those parts regularly use anti-parasitical medications to protect the population from mosquito borne diseases, mainly malaria. These anti-parasitical medications (chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin) also contain anti-viral properties which kill the Covid-19 virus.

    This ability was clearly demonstrated in both India and Indonesia. Initially, both of those countries started using the western vaxxs but it had no effect on the spread of Covid-19 in the general population, you may recall the scary television news reports of the crowded funeral pyres burning alongside the Ganges, our daily dose of Covid death porn. Then India dropped the vaxxs and started to use ivermectin and the deaths stopped, the graphs showing the plummeting death toll was dramatic.

    The Indonesian experience was the same as India, and the death toll from Covid-19 immediately dropped when ivermectin was distributed throughout the country. Those nightly horror news reports just vanished, no explanation was offered to the viewers.

    Of the G7 nations, only Japan went against the narrative and started to use ivermectin to stop the spread of Covid-19, though this wasn’t reported widely in the media. I’ve read some reports that Japan’s departure from the narrative was the reason for Shinzo Abe’s assassination, though that’s just speculation.

    The other nations, Russia, China, and others, wouldn’t use the western vaxxs but developed their own. How effective they have been is something I have no idea about, but they have been spared the present human culling program.

    The end result was that the culling was limited to Europe, Israel, and the English speaking world, those countries in which the World Economic Forum holds dominance through its various controls of government, media, technology, industrial relations, etc. I am sure that these evil buggers would like to spread their tentacles and expand their cull to other countries, but without total world dominance they cannot do so.

    There is a spiritual dimension to this situation which I won’t go into as it would extend this reply into an essay.

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  30. Old bloke says:

    I forgot to mention Iran in my reply above.

    Iran hasn’t used the western vaxxs, they have chosen to use a more traditional vaccination rather than the mRNA jabs, and they use an Australian designed and manufactured vaccination made in Adelaide.

    It appears to be quite successful, but Australian’s aren’t allowed to take it as big pharma doesn’t like competition and our governments do as big pharma dictates.

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  31. mh says:

    Iran hasn’t used the western vaxxs, they have chosen to use a more traditional vaccination rather than the mRNA jabs, and they use an Australian designed and manufactured vaccination made in Adelaide.

    Does it come with bonus myocarditis or pericarditis?

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  32. mh says:

    ‘Died suddenly’
    A new film raises disturbing questions

    Rebecca Weisser
    Roberto Garin was only 52 when he ‘died suddenly’ on 28 July last year. The healthy father of two teenagers began feeling ill 48 hours after his first Pfizer shot and dropped dead in front of his terrified wife Kirsti six days later while she was on the phone to paramedics.

    Garin’s family immediately suspected the vaccine caused his death. Kirsti was told her husband was the first person to die after a Pfizer shot. In fact, 176 deaths following Pfizer jabs had already been reported to the Therapeutic Goods Administration, starting in the first week of the vaccine rollout.

    But when Kirsti shared her concerns with filmmaker Alan Hashem, who released the video together with the accounts of other vaccine injuries and deaths, it unleashed a storm.

    ‘Misinformation researchers’ published by the ABC dismissed Kirsti’s ‘claims her 52-year-old husband died from “sudden onset myocarditis” after receiving the Pfizer vaccine’ because it didn’t ‘square with official data’.

    Yet that was exactly what forensic pathologist Bernard l’Ons wrote in a brilliant report on his autopsy stating that the deceased’s heart showed a clear transition to severe giant cell myocarditis that could be ‘histologically dated to the time period of the Covid-19 mRNA vaccination’ and it was ‘reasonable to state that the deceased’s previously undiagnosed cardiac sarcoidosis may have transitioned to a fulminating myocarditis as a result of the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccination’ noting that myocarditis had been reported in reactions to the Pfizer vaccine. L’Ons proposed a mechanism by which the vaccine could trigger fatal myocarditis and advised that a possible therapeutic implication was that sarcoid patients be given an echocardiogram to detect whether their heart was affected in which case alternative vaccination types could be considered.

    All of this was ignored by the TGA which refuses to admit to this day that any death can be attributed to a Pfizer vaccine and was parroted by the ABC. The TGA did admit that as of 22 August it had received ‘235 reports of suspected myocarditis, (inflammation of the heart muscle) and/or pericarditis (inflammation of the membrane around the heart) following vaccination’ with Pfizer but said, ‘These reports reflect the observations of the people reporting them and have not been confirmed as having been caused by the vaccine,’ and that ‘some events may be coincidental and would have happened anyway, regardless of vaccination.’

    This is a particularly misleading statement. Four out of five reports to the TGA are submitted not by random ‘people’, but by highly qualified health professionals and in Garin’s case by a forensic pathologist.

    Why would the TGA dismiss these reports? That’s a question Associate Professor Michael Nissen could perhaps shed light on. He was appointed to the TGA in February 2021, just as the Covid-19 vaccines were rolled out, to lead its Signal Investigation Unit which investigates safety issues that arise with vaccines in adverse reports or are raised by international regulators or the medical literature.

    Prior to his appointment, Nissen was the Director of Scientific Affairs and Public Health at GSK Vaccines from October 2014 to January 2021, a period during which GSK and Pfizer entered into a joint venture. Nissen worked concurrently in hospital-based medical care and academia. He has led over 40 clinical trials and authored over 200 peer-reviewed publications including vaccine studies. In all these areas pharmaceutical companies are a major source of funding.

    The TGA is sensitive about managing conflicts of interest for advisory committee members but offers no guidance on its website with regard to staff members although presumably the same principles should, at least in theory, apply. It notes that shares, involvement in clinical trials, employment, contracts, consultancies, grants, sponsorships, board memberships and so on, may give rise to a conflict of interest.

    Robert Clancy, an Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School and a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s Covid-19 Expert Database wrote in Quadrant online last week that ‘the power of the pharmaceutical industry and its pervasive influence at every level of political and medical decision-making’ has been underestimated in shaping the pandemic narrative which has been driven by commercial imperatives to such an extent that it has crushed scientific debate.

    Clancy recounts that his approach to the College of Pathology (of which he was a Senior Fellow, a foundation Professor of Pathology, and past-Chairman of the College committee for undergraduate pathology education) calling for a national study to determine whether Covid vaccination was responsible for the increase in excess mortality in Australia and elsewhere by developing a protocol for post-mortems ‘to answer what is arguably the most important question facing medicine’ met with a rejection and a suggestion to take it instead to the TGA.

    Nowadays, dying suddenly has become ominously familiar. According to a new film Died Suddenly available as of this week to stream via Twitter, in the last 18 months, the term ‘Died Suddenly’ has risen to the very top of ‘most searched’ Google terms. The film documents the surge in excess mortality in highly vaccinated countries. Dr. Peter McCullough, internist, cardiologist, epidemiologist, and one of the top five most-published, and most censored, medical researchers in the US, says that sudden death frequently occurs because the heart has been damaged by inflammation caused by Covid vaccines.

    Papers that Pfizer and the Food and Drug Administration tried to hide for 75 years show that Pfizer knew in 2020 that myocarditis and pericarditis could be caused by its vaccine.

    And in the Pfizer trial in Argentina, a report on a healthy 36-year old participant – Augusto German Roux – who developed pericarditis immediately after his second Pfizer jab, mysteriously disappeared from the published trial results.

    The Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI) and the Cardiac Society of Australia and New Zealand (CSANZ) belatedly published a warning about myocarditis and pericarditis in September this year.

    It was too late for Garin. Had his doctors known, his life might have been saved. His grieving family have still not received a cent in compensation. But Pfizer has apparently grossed nearly $100 billion from its sales of Covid-19 vaccines and treatments.

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  33. Old bloke says:

    mh says:
    November 24, 2022 at 3:32 pm

    The ChiComs prefer this to Ivermectin:

    Whatever it is they want to jab him with, it looks like he’s not interested.

    Western Australia also has draconian laws which say that Police or an ‘authorised person’ can physically hold you down and remove your clothing (including underwear) and forcibly jab you with whatever concoction they want.

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  34. mh says:

    Old bloke,
    The footage relates to the iPhone plant

    As Covid infections increased across Zhengzhou and iPhone factory, Foxconn adopted a “closed loop” system for employees in October. Workers were forced to live on campus and were prohibited from physical contact with the outside world – including family members.

    Then by late October, strict Covid restrictions for workers sparked minor unrest at the facilities of about 200,000 workers — all were banned from eating in public and forced to eat meals back at their dorms.

    By early November, while Beijing ramped up its zero Covid policy by locking down the surrounding metro area — workers began to flee the factory.

    Now in videos posted on Weibo and Twitter that AFP and Reuters have verified, all hell appears to have broken out as hundreds of workers clash with security guards and people in hazmat suits.

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  35. mh says:

    Former NT Chief Minister Michael Gunner took his Pfizer money then left office.

    If Australians every wake up from their coma, this fvcker will be on trial:

    ‘Stuff it, shove it’: a furious Michael Gunner blasts those against vaccine mandates

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  36. Dave Brewer says:

    Thanks for lots more interesting stuff.

    I too followed the Australian TGA website for a while, and Rebecca Weisser’s article made me go and have another look.

    The bias is palpable. The TGA is clearly determined to maintain the “safe and effective” mantra for as long as they can. The last time I looked they only owned up to 6 deaths, now it’s up to 14. And the way they put it is this:

    “The TGA has identified 14 reports where the cause of death was linked to vaccination from 944 reports received and reviewed.”

    How weak is that: “has identified” “reports” “linked” to death. Reading it, you might think that there were only 14 CLAIMS that vaccination had killed somebody. But if you wade through their pussy-footing around you find that what it really means is that 944 post-vaccination deaths have been reported to them, and that their reviews have so far confirmed that 14 of these were caused by vaccination — though again they play this down by only saying that the deaths were “likely” due to vaccination.

    Notice that they don’t claim that the other 930 were due to something else, thus leaving an escape hatch for later when it is found that the vaccines are a lot more dangerous than they are now making out. If as Weisser says 80 per cent of reports to the TGA are from qualified medical personnel, there would seem to be a good chance that the vast majority of these “other” 930 deaths are in fact vaccine deaths. And who knows how many other fatal heart attacks, strokes etc. may have been caused by the vaccines, but have not been reported to the TGA?

    The TGA does no autopsies, so if Stew Peters’ gunk-problem is real, they won’t find it. In any case, the gunk seems to take months to develop, so an autopsy wouldn’t find it anyway in a patient who died soon after vaccination, which must be the bulk of the notifications.

    The whole TGA site is full of reassurances. They say myocarditis after vaccination is rare and usually temporary, and other symptoms are “mild” and “transitory” etc. Nowhere can I find any mention of the fact that there are no long-term safety data at all on the vaccines, which used to be considered essential before approving any vaccine.

    The TGA is clearly on a mission of reassurance. It starts every update on vaccine safety with:

    “Vaccination against COVID-19 is the most effective way to reduce deaths and severe illness from infection.”

    When, many paragraphs later, the updates get around to discussing deaths there is a whole paragraph at the beginning on how rare they are and how most deaths after vaccination are coincidental.

    The TSA also completely ignores the benefit side of the equation, and in particular the key question of whether there is any net benefit from vaccination to a healthy person under 70 — where the death rate from Covid would at most be a few in a million. Perhaps the biggest blind spot here is on children aged 5-11. Covid itself is almost always totally harmless for this age group, and vaccines don’t stop them getting it anyway. On the other side of the equation even the TSA admits:

    “we have received about 1,650 reports from approximately 2.3 million Comirnaty (Pfizer) and Spikevax (Moderna) doses administered in this age group. The most common reactions reported included chest pain, vomiting, fever, headache and abdominal pain. We have received 39 reports of suspected myocarditis and/or pericarditis in this age group. Following review of the reports, 4 were likely to represent myocarditis and another 7 reports were likely to represent pericarditis.”

    Why on earth is this group being vaccinated?

    And there are lots of other things to be said about the prejudgment and bias on the TSA site.

    However, to get back to the grand conspiracy, I don’t see it. I see mass delusion at work. The people at the TSA aren’t trying to kill people. They believe the vaccines are a good idea. Probably some of them have woken up by now, but in that case they may have just transferred out to some other Health Dept sinecure, to be replaced by someone who’s still brainwashed. It will drag on for ages. But the cognitive dissonance is already pretty deafening. Many people remember being told that 2 doses of vaccine was 95% effective at preventing Covid infection and that once about 70% of the population was vaccinated, herd immunity would kick in and wipe it out. From that we went to, well, it may not prevent infection but it will stop you passing it on (that might be the most absurd claim in this whole business). Then to, it cuts your risk of both contracting it and passing it on. Then to, well, you may still get it and pass it on, but it cuts your risk of severe disease, hospitalisation and death (all of which were practically zero to start with for healthy people, especially from the later variants). Now it’s, well yeah, the old vaccines are no longer effective but we have this new bivalent stuff that protects against new variants. By now, many people must be saying, pull the other one.

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  37. Steve trickler says:

    Dave Brewer says:
    November 24, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    The TGA does no autopsies, so if Stew Peters’ gunk-problem is real, they won’t find it.

    How is the gunk-problem a Stew Peters problem?

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  38. Steve trickler says:

    Dave Brewer says:
    November 24, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    However, to get back to the grand conspiracy, I don’t see it. I see mass delusion at work. The people at the TSA aren’t trying to kill people. They believe the vaccines are a good idea.

    They were never “vaccines” to begin with. Those at the TGA probably (likely) new damn well about it. Knowing where their money / funding comes from, they just bit their lip.

    Oh, their is grand conspiracy. C-19 is just one element.

    Keep digging.

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  39. Steve trickler says:

    There is a…

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  40. Steve trickler says:


    “The vaccine was not brought in for COVID. COVID was brought in for the vaccine. Once you realize that, everything else makes sense.” ~ Dr. Reiner Fuellmich

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  41. kaysee kaysee says:

    BTW being sceptical about a grand Covid conspiracy does not exclude bad motives.

    Dave, healthy scepticism is a good trait. Otherwise, we would just be sheeple blindly following some ideology or misinformation.

    Three years ago, B.C. (Before Covid), I would have dismissed some of the info as biased, irrational conspiracy theories. What I have learned since this once-in-a-100-years pandemic hit the world has been a huge eye-opener*. We can dismiss what we get from one or two sources. But when they come from multiple sites, it is time to pay attention.

    We are gradually seeing that many of the “conspiracy theories” from two years ago are slowly being revealed as facts.

    (* posted this clip recently, but it fits here.)

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  42. kaysee kaysee says:

    So, while I consider myself persuadable, for the moment I am sticking with my “catastrophic stuffup” Theory of History.

    There is a ton of information that we have posted on the blog. I created the CatWiki in the hope that we could organise the material we had so that it could be easily found, at a later stage, when some topic turned into a debate. Such as the discussion that you have brought up on this thread, with your doubts and questions. But we are a very small team here, and it is a big task. The few regular commenters are posting news and links as and when they come across something.

    You have issued us with a persuadable challenge and we cannot ignore that. 🙂

    There are many points that you have raised here. The answers are somewhere on the blog Posts and Threads. If I come across anything new or that we have previously posted related to your queries on whether Covid is a conspiracy, a master plan, a mass-delusion, I will post it, addressed to you. Once this thread closes, the conversation can continue in the Open Threads. I am sure the others can also help out with your questions.

    You have contributed to the wiki too. I spotted this a few days ago, when I was posting in that section. Thanks.

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  43. kaysee kaysee says:

    There is a spiritual dimension to this situation which I won’t go into as it would extend this reply into an essay.

    Can this spiritual dimension be explained in a comment, Old bloke?

    If there is something to learn – new or different – I am interested.

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  44. mh says:

    Stew Peters Network Published November 21, 2022 7,290,773 Views

    Great for Rumble, Stew Peters, and the general public who are awakening to the psyop carried out on them.

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  45. Steve trickler says:

    STOP the Infanticide! 5,000% Increase in Fetal Deaths Following COVID-19 Vaccines!

    by Brian Shilhavy
    Editor, Health Impact News

    The U.S. Government’s Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) was updated today, and there are now 4,534 fetal deaths recorded in VAERS following COVID-19 vaccines given to pregnant and child-bearing women. (Source.)

    And these recorded fetal deaths are but a fraction of the real number of unborn children who have died since the COVID-19 experimental vaccines were given emergency use authorization, as a previous report published for Department of Health and Human Services stated that fewer than 1% of all vaccine adverse events are actually reported to VAERS. (Source.)

    Three of these fetal deaths have followed the new Bivalent COVID-19 booster shots from Pfizer and Moderna, including a 26-year-old woman from Arizona who developed breast cancer following the vaccine, and chose to have chemotherapy and terminate the life of her unborn child.

    Article in full.

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  46. Steve trickler says:

    Figures from 2004 onwards would be helpful.


    Daunting Compilation Of Athletes Collapsing and Dying From The COVID Vax – Dying Suddenly 2021-2022

    Between 1966 and 2004, the monthly average number of deaths equates to 2.35. But between January 2021 and April 2022, the monthly average equates to 42. This is an increase of 1,696%.

    So why have we seen such a dramatic increase?

    Daunting Compilation Of Athletes Collapsing and Dying From The COVID Vax – Dying Suddenly 2021-2022

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  47. mh says:

    George could be attempting to ride on the coat tails of Died Suddenly, but

    Former Australian politician George Christensen details his greatest regret. Spoiler: It’s got to do with the shots.

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  48. Dave Brewer says:

    I find that arguments that get emotional are often over positions that are not well-defined.

    So I’ll try to define mine — at least that will make me a clearer target!

    I think there have been a lot of bad motives, in particular a lot of pushing of commercial and institutional interests, in the Covid measures. The vaccine companies may be the worst example. Each of these companies is a sort of organised conspiracy on its own — with its tentacles reaching into the universities, medical journals, the bureaucracy, the media, social media etc. Those companies have been pulling as many strings as they can to keep vaccine revenue rolling in. And they are not above falsifying, lying, covering up etc. in their corporate interest. Perhaps as suggested in one of the comments they even engineered Covid or encouraged dangerous research on it in some way so as to set themselves up to sell their vaccines. It’s possible, though I haven’t seen any good evidence.

    In any case they are not alone in pursuing self-interest and self-aggrandizement. The health bureaucrats enjoyed the power and attention Covid gave them. The politicians loved presenting themselves as strong leaders “doing something” in a crisis. Bill Gates could kid himself he was saving humanity. WHO could raise their profile and tout for more money. The media had the public constantly tuning in for more fear porn. Social media boomed with “trending” panic. Amazon loved the lockdowns (I heard the Washington Post was the most pro-lockdown US paper; Bezos owns the Post). And in broader society, scolds and wowsers got endless kicks out of bullying others based on the ever-changing thicket of Covid regulations.

    The whole thing has been a disaster and a threat to human freedom on a level with a world war.

    But the question is, how deliberate is the Covid panic-demic as a co-ordinated effort within a grander strategy consciously aimed at destroying freedom? A related question is, how often was the “elite” lying to us, and how often were they just wrong without knowing it?

    Specifically on the vaccines, if these were designed in advance to kill in order to reduce world population, what’s the evidence for that? Which drug developers working in the vaccine companies knew their task was to kill, who knew about it, and why has no one spoken out? Who, knowing the vaccines were toxic, pretended to take them, but did not? Did they tell their loved ones not to take them either? And did those loved ones tip off anyone else? If so, why has no one blown the whistle? Who exactly is the chief executive of the broader plot to kill millions and enslave the rest, and who is on its directing council? Where do they meet to plan all this and how do they communicate and take all the many decisions necessary to prosecute this gargantuan conspiracy?

    I can imagine that the general answer to the last questions is that Schwab and his WEF big-noters are behind it all, but I think that if you try to answer more specific questions like those about knowledge of the vaccines’ toxicity, you will quickly find problems with the “it’s all part of a huge conspiracy” idea. An overall problem is that the bigger the conspiracy, the more people have to be in on it, and the harder it becomes to hide. So, until I see “smoking guns”, I go for minimal conspiracy. I think an awful lot of people have been doing bad, wrong and stupid things out of ignorance, arrogance, love of power and perceived self-interest, and that while there has frequently been some co-ordination among them, this also has been based on each party’s ignorance, stupidity, pride and perceived self-interest, not on a shared commitment to a grand plan to exterminate and enslave.

    While I think this “minimal conspiracy” idea is true, I also think that it makes for a better basis for convincing others that Covid measures were a shit-show and have been steering society in dangerous directions — which is what we need to do to help change those directions.

    For example, it’s easy to show that vaccines, lockdowns, curfews, masks, compulsory testing, contact tracing, tracking apps and all the rest of the measures failed. The stated aim of these measures was to stop Covid, yet most people caught it and it’s still going, QED.

    The next step for me is to show people the harms of the measures. One of the main elements of the collective delusion has been the mindset that avoiding Covid infections were the only thing that mattered in public policy, and that measures aimed at achieving that had no downsides, so that even if they were only slightly effective, that was better than nothing. — When in fact, slowing transmission, which is the most one might claim for the measures, may itself have done more harm than good, by dragging out the problem without necessarily stopping anyone from getting it sooner or later. And that’s without counting the enormous damage the countermeasures did to the practice of medicine, education at all levels, social cohesion, psychological health, international trade, public finances etc. etc. etc.

    While these things stick out like dogs’ balls to us, our fellow citizens are still dazed and confused. I think we can slowly get them back to common sense if we stick to things we can prove. The evidence that Covid was an overblown risk, and that the countermeasures did more harm than good, is overwhelming; it’s staring everyone in the face. Better to focus on getting people to realise those obvious truths than to try to convince them that Covid was part of a grand plan to subjugate humanity — for which the evidence is sketchy at best.

    Of course, you (plural) and I are rightly angry, horrified and sickened by what has been done in supposed attempts to “keep us safe”. It’s tempting to think that anything so awful must have been an evil plot. But that reminds me of what Giesecke said to Tegnell a few weeks into this madness. Tegnell was running Sweden’s response and he went to his old, retired, boss bewildered. “Why on earth is everybody else doing these crazy things that we know won’t work”, he asked. Giesecke replied with a medieval Latin quote that translates to something like “Have you not learned, my son, with what stupidity the world is governed?”

    BTW kaysee I appreciate your efforts here, and thank all contributors. I have tuned in from time to time and almost always found something new and interesting.

    Lastly, you probably already know this, but there are several interesting interviews around the theme of mass delusion and/or conspiracy on The Press and the Public Project ( – especially the last two, and Stoller, Kennedy, Husseini and Mark Crispin Miller.

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  49. kaysee kaysee says:

    So I’ll try to define mine — at least that will make me a clearer target!


    I understand the points you are listing and the questions you are asking. Also, getting emotional in our responses doesn’t help a debate as we lose track of the topic being discussed.

    Your comments on this thread and the issues you’ve raised have got me thinking about either writing a Post on the topic of Depopulation or adding it as a section to the CatWiki where the thread does not have an end date.

    Are the Covid vaccines and their side effects as well as the other agenda like Global Warming and the Great Reset all discrete events that are not connected? Are they mere coincidences?

    Or is there a more sinister plan that is not obvious? If yes, where is the proof for this?

    You mentioned that you check in to this site occasionally to read what we have here. It would be great if you can join in the discussions and add your comments and feedback. It provides us with other interpretations and widens our knowledge.

    It is a free speech site. Reading different viewpoints gives the brain a good workout. The learning process never ends.

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  50. kaysee kaysee says:

    Some reviews on Died Suddenly.


    ‘Died Suddenly’: Documentary shining light on fibrous clots goes viral

    The Daily Sceptic

    Died Suddenly’ is Typical Trash from Stew Peters

    A helpful tidbit
    BBC is critical of it, too. Which gives the film a plus point.
    Trust the BBC. It is unbiased.

    Part of the film’s power is that it takes scraps of truth but distorts them to tell a misleading story.

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  51. kaysee kaysee says:

    Steve Kirsch

    Answering the critics of “Died Suddenly”

    I respond to a critic and a “fact checker.” You get to decide who is telling you the truth.

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  52. mh says:

    Whatever the critics are saying, there have been 8,276,353 views of Died Suddenly on Stew Peters’ Rumble channel alone. In five days.

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