Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

Hi Cats,

As you can see I have created a copy of the Cat for you to continue to bicker, argue and occasionally make a reasonable point.

I do hope a solution is found with the original Cat but just in case Sinc doesn’t want to transfer the site to a new generation I have built a replica before the closure so we can migrate as many of the community across as possible.

Programming Note: I rushed out the site so there will be bugs. I can get them fixed but did not want perfection to get in the way for progress.

Community Note: Please let as many cats know of the new blog as soon as possible so we can capture the magic of the original. In particular would love for the original posters to continue their great work here.

Ideological Note: I am an infrequent poster but long time reader of the Cat. The discussions there have been a huge part of my own ideological growth on many issues. In particular free speech is key for me so will have a very similar light touch to the original Cat, potentially adopting my one policy on an earlier forum I built: “No D***heads” which is subjective but surprisingly easy to implement.

Website Note: I will run the Cat as close to possible as the original because I don’t believe in re-inventing the wheel. However if the community so wants I am happy to make changes to improve the experience so if you have any ideas let me know. For anything specific hit me up at the contact form, else go nuts in the comments.

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3,112 Responses to Potentially The New Cat – First Open Thread 31 July 2021

  1. Entropy says:

    Now i am back in lockdown can go trouserless at the desk. Like a CNN personality.


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  2. Ruprecht says:

    “The partner of Julian Burnside has deleted and apologised for a tweet that was interpreted as being anti-Semitic and an attack on Josh Frydenberg’s ancestry.”

    The Oz.


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  3. Albatross says:

    I think you’re all a bunch of Bonhomos…


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  4. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    Dot says:
    August 1, 2021 at 8:01 pm
    I did some panicked and paranoid running around, I can help out, I have some ideas, but Adam did something that was actioned, I did not.

    Dot, thank you for trying to do something. It gave the rest of us some hope. In the meantime, Adam was working on the site.

    I thought of waiting for others to do something to get a site up and running, and all secure, safe and trustworthy. Then, I realised that if I want something to work, I have to get out and contribute with suggestions.


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  5. JC says:

    Understandable that when one is making close to 5% of all posted comments on the Cat, that one wouldn’t have time to actually read other comments.

    You lying cunt. I’m there less than you are and it’s been the case for years.

    Here’s a bet, you lying piece of shit. I bet you 10K I’m nowhere near 5% of the comments and we escrow as I wouldn’t trust you with a cent.


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  6. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    if a newbie takes over a blog with these credentials he should explain why and who he is.

    No.
    Nobody is obliged to report to you. Deal with that how you may.

    You’ve been too busy posting swearwords (up to 5% of threads) to take notice who the thoughtful & occasional commenters are.

    Your poor recollection of detail, your self-centred arrogance, mean nothing to anybody else.

    Get over yourself. You’re just another random on the internet, & a not very well mentally balanced one at that.


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  7. Cold-Hands says:

    Thanks Adam for setting this up.


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  8. JMH says:

    Salvatore: “Adam goes back years on the cat, possibly as long as anybody else.
    He doesn’t have to report in to JC for ‘approval’
    (or to anybody else)”

    Dat sez it!


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  9. candy says:

    I think it is Professor Davidson’s name and reputation that made the old Catallaxy work and attracted other writers then. It’s a new scenario, but without Adam may not have even started.


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  10. Dr BeauGan says:

    JC and twosticks, if you go to the top of the page and read what Adam has written, in particular about his ideology, you might get enough information to put your minds at rest. Or perhaps not.


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  11. JC says:

    Here are a few issues to chew the fat on.

    Both the previous blog owners had a really good understanding of economics. In order to run a politics site, you need that expertise. You need to have he person or people writing about it. Is this site going to be like the other one, which actually was the most successful independent blog in the country.

    The open thread is not going to sustain it long term. that’s my point.


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  12. JC says:

    Driller, you should be the last person giving anyone fucking advice on running a blog, you boring loser. You had 3 people posting comments at that loser site for a decade.

    JMH, keep thanking Adam and sucking up to the Driller. That will sure show you up as a big thinker, you fucking moron.


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  13. Rockdoctor says:

    Just found out Mundingburra MP Les Walker charged with assault. Aggression 2nd time occurring in a number of months after being punched out in Flinders st a few months back, hmmm will Anna act… Unlikely and the press will run dead on it like Townsville Mayor’s driving charges and procedural irregularities like no breath test etc…

    IMO this in some way highlights why the Cat must succeed, there is too few independent media/information sources left for my liking and why I was drawn to it in the first place. I have always had a questioning mind.


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  14. Steve trickler says:

    Mutiny!

    “Not all Olympic drama occurs in the stadium. In 1920 the world looked to a new hope for peace following the end of that war, with the Olympic games to be held in Antwerp, Belgium. But, for the promising American team, it turned out that getting there was half the battle.”

    Mutiny Aboard the Princess Matoika: The 1920 Olympics


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  15. Dot says:

    “posting swearwords”

    Hi Grigory!


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  16. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    Regarding J.C.’s post up thread

    I thought the C – bomb got you banned?


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  17. Top Ender says:

    Just ran the numbers….from 1942 to 1944 there were 1,871 enemy aircraft flights over northern Australia’s coasts and offshore.

    Busier than most people think.


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  18. ikamatua says:

    “Is this site going to be like the other one, which actually was the most successful independent blog in the country.”
    It’s gone budsky. The owners didn’t want to continue.
    This is a whole new thing.
    Let’s give it a go and see how it develops.


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  19. JC says:

    Doc

    The site can’t run with just the open thread. No one is going to say read Driller’s pubbling if he ran a thread here. He’s about as interesting as a bloated carcass on an Iraqi highway.

    Here, go traipse through this crap and tell me you disagree.

    http://the-public-house.blogspot.com/


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  20. ikamatua says:

    But yes.
    The one thing that the old cat had was a public figure, a contactable known person in charge.
    There’s trust that comes from that.
    The trust in this Catallaxy will build with time.
    I’m willing to extend the initial small amount of trust required to kickstart it.
    If no one does that, we’ll end up with nothing.


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  21. H B Bear says:

    I am very concerned about the under-representation of white athletes now that the swimming has finished.


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  22. JC says:

    Well, I guess I’ll be banned then, Rones. Both of you are worthless sacks of shit. Banned or not, that will never change.

    Always relevant and and always on point.


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  23. Cassie of Sydney says:

    JC…I respectfully disagree….on old Cat there would be quite a few other threads that would not elicit many comments….whereas the OT was always busy. Anyway, I think that some will offer there services for separate threads…just remember…this Cat2 is only two days old….it’s doing well….all things considering.


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  24. JMH says:

    Poor widdle JC. English comprehension not your lead leg is it?


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  25. cohenite says:

    “DrBeauGan says:
    August 1, 2021 at 8:11 pm
    JC and twosticks, if you go to the top of the page and read what Adam has written, in particular about his ideology, you might get enough information to put your minds at rest. Or perhaps not.”

    Yes, Adam takes a minimalist and sensible approach. I’m jealous.


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  26. Dot says:

    Patience, JC.

    It’s happening, and you can guest post.

    Some of the main posters may come back, I have reached out to them – I hope they realise this is the page, not the one I set up.


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  27. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “But yes.
    The one thing that the old cat had was a public figure, a contactable known person in charge.
    There’s trust that comes from that.
    The trust in this Catallaxy will build with time.
    I’m willing to extend the initial small amount of trust required to kickstart it.
    If no one does that, we’ll end up with nothing.”

    Correct.


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  28. cohenite says:

    Dementia joe eats his food off his chin: Salty’s take:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLW99bPkdFQ


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  29. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    It is not possible to preview comments or test links. So I hope my next three comments (and all links) work as expected.


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  30. Dot says:

    JC should write up his wrong headed views on monetary policy as a guest blog post.

    Anyway, I know someone who was a currency trader who wrote an e-book on labour markets.

    This blog can get content. I’m not too worried.


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  31. JC says:

    Cassie

    The open thread wasn’t the main thing that attracted me to the old Cat. I read all the threads. Perhaps other people didn’t, I don’t know. But an open thread alone will be a chat site. I don’t think that will cut it.


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  32. rickw says:

    Dementia joe eats his food off his chin

    Pure nursing home…


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  33. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    ✼✿✼ August ✼✿ ✼

    Oh, Catsters,
    having a b’day this month
    Wishes for you ………….

    Cheers


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  34. Colonel Crispin Berka says:

    Muddy (IIRC) said:

    How can people be woken from the spell? More to the point, how do we get people to listen to us? For as long as we passively accept being positioned as the anti-everythings, our reputation will discredit us before we even open our mouths.

    Funny you should say that. That’s the reason I stopped arguing at the Cat. Most of the commenters there, Qates included, were rusted-on loonies who never thought of trying to obtain their beliefs from real world sources. You can’t argue with someone who disregards any source of information that doesn’t imply a global communist genocide conspiracy and that long term consequences of covid that we know about are less worrisome than long term consequences of vaccines that they just imagined.


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  35. It’s Remarkable says:

    Salvatore:
    +lots


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  36. Adam D says:

    @ JC

    I can do a bio up but am surprised anyone would care TBH. I thought the cat was bigger then any individual, using the fact that Sincs belief went against the grain of most commentators as evidence.

    In all honesty the Cat was the last site I frequented regularly all others becoming woke or paywalled and I thought my skills may be useful once CL discussions with taking over broke down.

    I am happy to post but would prefer a few of the old bloggers to share their insights. Hoping the lure of an engaged audience will bring them back, or unearth some new blood.


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  37. rickw says:

    Just ran the numbers….from 1942 to 1944 there were 1,871 enemy aircraft flights over northern Australia’s coasts and offshore.

    Yesterday I stumbled across my zero photos from Yap and Palau. We were probably among the first people to see the Palau zero since WWII. It was halfway down the runway off the edge of the embankment. People who had worked at the airport their whole life didn’t know it was there.


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  38. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    Ponderable Points 🐻
     
    One
     
    Two


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  39. Cassie of Sydney says:

    JC, I also regularly read other threads….give it time….this has only been up and running for two days. And anyway, given what’s happening in the world, I don’t have a problem with a “chat site” for the time being. We need it. I do hope C.L. posts some stuff…his threads over the last year have been superb.

    Stop kvetching JC….chill out and relax.


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  40. Salvatore, Understaffed & Overworked Martyr to Border Closure says:

    Oh dearie dearie me, someone is having trouble with their temper, and isn’t taking things well, not well at all:
    Be careful you old goat, you’ll blow a gasket.

    You lying cunt. I’m there less than you are and it’s been the case for years.

    Here’s a bet, you lying piece of shit. I bet you 10K I’m nowhere near 5% of the comments and we escrow as I wouldn’t trust you with a cent.

    You may wish to be more careful with your money.
    You were circa 3.8% of open thread comments this calendar year.
    Do a quick count before committing yourself.

    It couldn’t be any more dull than digging through Quiggin’s archives.


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  41. egg_ says:

    Monetarists and monetarians
    For centuries, as we have seen, the prevalent system was that of
    metallic money. Then, up to the First World War, there existed the
    system derived from it, the gold standard system, after which, for more
    than sixty years, attempts were made, consciously or unconsciously,
    firstly to restore the gold standard and then to fmd substitutes for it. In
    the end, its demise had to be accepted with resignation and new disciplines
    sought elsewhere. But we are only at the beginning of this great change. Its
    first steps are uncertain;· in some countries the experts are hardly aware of
    it and the public is quite ignorant of it; but the process of change is in
    motion.


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  42. JC says:

    Cassie

    A few more points. The old site had around 15,000 unique visitors a day and something like 30,00 clicks. Lurkers weren’t just attracted to the open thread to read what exhilarating new comment the Rones was making about the military history of the African Fluck. They also weren’t there to read the Driller’s intelligent, high IQ comments about how to pour a beer or why he fired someone because the person burnt the toast. They were there to be intellectually stimulated and a large part though not all was to do with the individual writings. They were really good.


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  43. rickw says:

    I can do a bio up but am surprised anyone would care TBH. I thought the cat was bigger then any individual, using the fact that Sincs belief went against the grain of most commentators as evidence.

    Personally I don’t think this is that important. More interested in what people do rather than say. So far the “do” gets a big thumbs up.

    I don’t understand why there couldn’t be an orderly transition on the old Cat. (If you’ve lost interest and others want to take it on, what’s to negotiate?). In any case you’ve stepped into the breach.


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  44. Albatross says:

    JC says:
    August 1, 2021 at 9:04 pm

    Mate I thought you’d gone soft. This one’s beautiful.


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  45. rickw says:

    They were there to be intellectually stimulated and a large part though not all was to do with the individual writings. They were really good.

    Indeed.


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  46. cohenite says:

    “I am happy to post but would prefer a few of the old bloggers to share their insights.”

    My insights are unlimited but are so insightful unless I limit them ordinary posters will be overwhelmed.


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  47. ikamatua says:

    Adam.
    Do you have an e-mail where contributors can send articles for you to consider posting?
    One of Sinclair’s strengths was his willingness to post things he might not agree with.
    (Must be that weirdo libertarian thing. Bless him).


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  48. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    🐹
     
    One
     
    Two
     
    Three


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  49. JC says:

    Adam

    Jason Soon and Sinclair both did bios. I’m not sure why you think this is unusual. It’s a nice thing to do. I’m not sure what you mean by the Cat being bigger than one person. That’s a bit of a motherhood statement. Although lots of people posted threads at the old Cat everyone knew who called the shots. Is that you here?

    Why did discussions with CL break down?

    I am happy to post but would prefer a few of the old bloggers to share their insights. Hoping the lure of an engaged audience will bring them back, or unearth some new blood.

    Have you had and discussions with others about collaborating or is this your show now?


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  50. kaysee (beta 1.0) says:

    Adam, are there some moderation rules?


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  51. Tom says:

    Just keep doing what you’re doing, Adam D. It’s very much appreciated and supported.

    The level of shit-canning you’re being subjected to is unique to Australia’s backward loser culture.


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  52. Adam D says:

    @ Rockdoctor

    Not so much herding cats, more like throwing a few hundred in a bag and seeing what happens.

    On the trust issue I will use my tried and true answer. How do you know if you can trust me? The simple answer is you can’t. Probably would of used a better known cat name if running something dodgy.

    I actually think lack of presence on the original is a positive because I have no baggage to bring here and no feuds to fight. Because I read there so much I feel I know so many people already but that would not be reciprocated simply because I lacked the time to follow a discussion on the old cat when I did post.

    Ideologically I am basically a libertarian but believe there is a passivity inate within that allows the left to dominate the discussion for decades. I don’t however have a solution.


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  53. JC says:

    Albatross says:
    August 1, 2021 at 9:08 pm

    JC says:
    August 1, 2021 at 9:04 pm

    Mate I thought you’d gone soft. This one’s beautiful..

    Soft? Me? That’s the most offensive thing ever said to me. How dare you!


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  54. Miltonf says:

    There’s no such thing as a free lunch


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  55. rickw says:

    PTRD-41. Accounted for a lot of German armour during operation Barbarossa:<