Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. johanna says:

    Mark A says:
    August 18, 2021 at 10:47 am

    johanna says:
    August 18, 2021 at 10:30 am

    Mark, I’m sorry that free speech in the fullest sense makes you (and apparently a lot of others who are now congratulating themselves elsewhere) so uncomfortable.

    Again I may have missed the point, I do not want anyone banned, period.
    But if say you were a moderator with the power to remove an offensive post and be here at the time of posting, then that’s all would be required.
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    Maybe I am missing the point.

    It sounds suspiciously like the Left’s ‘words are violence’ crap.

    Adam has periodically purged the sewage we are speaking about. So, your complaint is that he is not doing it as quickly as you would like? That the words are violence?

    I’d hate to lose your pics, but especially for mysterious reasons. 🙂


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  2. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Biden screwed up while doing it, but at least he got it done in the end

    Monty, I love that euphemism for what in fact is a debacle. “Screwed up” is being a bit of an arse and getting the wife off-side. And “getting it done” as people are falling from planes to get out of the place is not a successful op. But you know that already.


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  3. m0nty says:

    If he’d chosen to support the Kurds he would’ve been impeached for breaking the NATO Treaty.

    Rubbish. Presidents have a lot of latitude on foreign policy. They can start wars under false pretences without getting impeached, just look at Dubbya. Impeachment wasn’t much of a deterrent to Trump either, was it?


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  4. lotocoti says:

    because nobody has the election cycle courage to take out an entire city

    Witness the march through western Germany, 1945.
    The white flags are nice, but if anyone shoots, we’ll withdraw to a safe distance and flatten your picturesque little burg with artillery.


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  5. Mater says:

    Breast cancer screening appointments suspended across all of NSW in response to lockdown

    Happened in Victoria in April 2020, and the devastating results have already been documented in the Lancet.

    “Combined with interruptions in cancer screening programmes and delays in scans and diagnostics, a spike in late cancer presentations and diagnoses is anticipated, making some previously curable tumours more difficult to treat and, unfortunately, further excess deaths unavoidable. This problem prevails internationally, even in countries praised for their management of COVID-19; a study estimated that in the state of Victoria, Australia, around 2500 cancer diagnoses were missed during the first 6 months of the pandemic.”

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanonc/article/PIIS1470-2045(21)00148-0/fulltext

    Monty responds with, ‘nothing to see here, move along!’:

    m0nty says:
    May 26, 2021 at 10:49 pm
    Also, in Victoria last year before the vaccine was available, how could you expect doctors to risk infection with face to face consultations? They are not soldiers on a battlefield.


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  6. Franx says:

    SoM
    Though nothing is said about them by the political class, as if the self-employed did not matter at all: if only the people whose livelihoods have been destroyed could come to know that they are not abandoned by fellow human beings, or by their Maker.


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  7. mh says:

    ‘NSW records 633 new cases‘
    ***
    Time to accept that we will have to live with Coronavirus.
    Just like we always have.


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  8. caveman says:

    633 cases in NSW , how’s that lockdown doin.
    Full eradication of humans would work.

    Maybe their testing is crap.


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  9. cohenite says:

    This is the problem with lefties, even affable ones like you. Lies upon lies upon lies.

    The fat little turd is as affable as any other leftie; which is to say not at all, or more specifically, only when he is winning or in charge.

    Dan Bongino in good form today beginning with the typical idiocy/hypocrisy of the left when a whitehouse spokesman expects the talifucks to be reasonable and play by the rules – gender diversity, CRT, BLM etc – when the left themselves don’t play by the rules only that others should.

    https://rumble.com/vlb2dj-ep.-1586-deeply-troubling-information-from-a-source-in-afghanistan-the-dan-.html?mref=6zof&mc=dgip3&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The+Dan+Bongino+Show&ep=2


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  10. johanna says:

    calli says:
    August 18, 2021 at 10:53 am

    Appears poor Dover has just had his first Bird Strike.
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    Oh, dear.

    🙂

    So much for safe spaces.

    And yes, I am gloating. Gloating is the consequence of being proved right.

    Where to now, scared little kiddies?


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  11. Terry Pedersen says:

    Glad the Loudhailer, Keeper of the Iron Pyrite Standard, is truly the modern version of Typhoid Mary.

    633 new COVID cases in NSW from only 100,000 tests. 462 people in hospital, 77 in ICU (up by 8), 3 more deaths.

    Gladys should have properly locked down Bondi and Waverley LGA 7 weeks ago. Too late now. Things are going to get much worse.


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  12. cohenite says:

    srr says:
    August 18, 2021 at 11:09 am
    Cory Bernardi @corybernardi
    ·19h

    https://twitter.com/corybernardi/status/1427505291168387074/photo/1

    Usual comments blaming Trump for negotiating with the talifucks. The difference is Trump would have ENFORCED the agreement.


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  13. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Mark A says:
    August 18, 2021 at 10:10 am
    Sorry BBS, I probably wasn’t clear

    Mark, that’s the problem with a blog – sometimes we can’t convey exactly what we mean and this is especially the case when we’re doing it at the same time as other things.

    I was attempting, and quite badly, to reflect what I think most commenters think of how the little things, especially things like the humour of your lame pics, help to balance our day. No worries with whatever you decide.
    Thanks, again.


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  14. rosie says:

    My thought too as soon as I saw the name.

    And then, the semi innocuous comment

    Won’t last long though.


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  15. ikamatua says:

    “And yes, I am gloating. “.
    ..
    Why?
    Would you like to run a blog the dude was bombing?
    I wouldn’t be able to sleep.
    Kudos to both Adam and DB for putting up sites for us to peruse.


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  16. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    The surf’s really up today. There’s a couple of surfies out there carving it up. I’m off for a walk; but I’ll be back 😁


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  17. rosie says:

    No one is scared.

    I don’t blame people for not wanting to appear to be tacitly approving his rantings by posting at the same site.

    I could think of a dozen other topics that most people would run away fast from if they got an airing here.


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  18. Shy Ted says:

    Not sure if you’ve see this. I find it very difficult to believe any vax would make anything happen in so short a space of time. more likely is a needle phobia or simple faint in response to a traumatic event. But a story well worth watching and verifying.
    https://xyz.net.au/2021/08/video-schoolboy-collapses-after-taking-covid-vax-at-sydneys-olympic-stadium/


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  19. H B Bear says:

    We still have Groogs. Onya little buddy.


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  20. lotocoti says:

    And there’s me thinking the President needed the consent of Congress to start a war.


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  21. candy says:

    If you developed breast cancer at a stage where lockdowns made it more difficult to treat later, you’d have a legal case against the State?


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  22. struth says:

    Like minds will congregate.
    Those wanting to got to other blogs will.
    Who gives a rats?!
    If we know where all of them are, isn’t it good that there are all of them?
    We can ban the disgusting fruit loops, I agree , but banning the offensive is left wing nonsense and in doing so, it is boring.
    Go woke , go broke.
    They’ll be back where the action is.
    Let’s just get on with supplying relative links and news with opinions attached!?


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  23. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    As for the remark that the Afghans were cowards, the Afghan army sustained more casualties per year than the US army did in the entire 20 year occupation.

    Roger – They aren’t cowards, but they don’t want to fight the Taliban who are widely regarded as more observant champions of Sunni Islam.

    There is an interesting parallel with the Western Desert campaign in 1940-41. Graziani’s infantry divisions at Sidi Barrani were manned by conscripts. Those guys didn’t want to fight for Mussolini and surrendered as soon as they could. Then, shortly after that battle, when the Australians arrived at Tobruk for the first time it was the same: despite the strong engineered defenses which proved so useful for 9th Div in the siege the Italians would fire one or two shots for appearances, then surrender as the 6th Div guys assaulted the posts.

    When Rommel arrived he was able to draw upon the more professional Italian divisions like Ariete and Trento, but even then during El Alamein the 9th Div found that Italian regiments were carefully deported with German battalions and regiments between them, and the Wehrmacht guys were tasked with keeping the Italians facing forwards. Which they still didn’t do if they could get away with it.

    Having said this there was nothing wrong with the Italian soldiers, even the conscripts. In certain cases they fought like tigers. But the guys just didn’t want to fight for Il Duce.

    Hence the bug out in Afghanistan, once the stiffening Americans were no longer there. The guys certainly didn’t want to fight for the corrupt regime or their corrupt officers, and certainly not against holy warriors of Islam.


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  24. Ruprecht says:

    Johanna, you are alluding to smugness at Dover’s site ? I’d rather have unhinged rants here and no tales of what Granny did today on heavy rotation. That said, no one wants anti Semitic behaviour here and Adam D has dealt with with.


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  25. ikamatua says:

    “This is the problem with lefties, even affable ones like you”
    ..
    It’s pronounced “uneffable”.


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  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    From the “Australian.”

    “Afghanistan: fleeing president ‘had cars and helicopter full of cash’

    By Hugh Tomlinson
    The Times
    An hour ago August 18, 2021
    1 Comment

    As the Taliban closed in, President Ghani is said to have insisted on a dignified exit from Kabul. When the end came, it was anything but.

    The president of Afghanistan fled his palace headed for Tajikistan, and then issued a statement on Facebook: “To avoid bloodshed, I thought it would be better to leave.” Within hours, Taliban militants were filmed posing in his presidential office.

    If reports from the Russian government are to be believed, and they are no friends of Ghani, he was followed out of his presidential palace by a motorcade and a helicopter loaded with cash.

    “As for the collapse of the [outgoing] regime, it is most eloquently characterised by the way Ghani fled Afghanistan,” a Russian embassy spokesman told the RIA news agency yesterday.

    “Four cars were full of money. They tried to stuff another part of the money into a helicopter but not all of it would fit, and some was left on the tarmac.”

    Condemnation and mockery of Ghani, 72, has been swift from Afghan leaders left behind to negotiate a handover of power to the Taliban and the civilians who stormed Kabul airport on Monday in desperate hope of a flight.
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    “I care no for your plight, Octavius, for I am aboard the chariot.”


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  27. Boambee John says:

    Baba says:
    August 18, 2021 at 9:40 am
    Just one comment at phatpussy.com in the last 9 hours.

    Monty is feeling irrelevant.

    That explains why he is here, looking for company and relevance.


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  28. H B Bear says:

    The surf’s really up today. There’s a couple of surfies out there carving it up. I’m off for a walk; but I’ll be back

    Some guy in his 60s drowned at Margaret River main break. Got to know your limits. Like the time I was put back on the reef 3 times at Guillotines and decided it was just too hard. My mate made it out and spent the next hour working out how to get in.


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  29. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    Rubbish. Presidents have a lot of latitude on foreign policy. They can start wars under false pretences without getting impeached, just look at Dubbya. Impeachment wasn’t much of a deterrent to Trump either, was it?

    As expected M0nty doubles down with more lies, waffle, innuendo, misdirection and squirrel. Stay classy son.


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  30. Shy Ted says:

    A good idea coming out of all places, France. https://izismile.com/2021/08/17/daily_gifdump_36_gifs-5.html
    I’m willing to help with manure.


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  31. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    August 18, 2021 at 9:57 am
    I mean, isolationism is a philosophy that you can make a case for, it’s a thing. It has consequences though, don’t try to run away from them like a coward.

    As usual, Trump is trying to pretend that he can have his cake and eat it too.

    munty is now an interventionist neo-con!


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  32. calli says:

    Won’t last long though.

    Depends on how sensitive Dover’s trip switch is. If people are frantically pressing the “Report comment” button only because it’s Bird is one thing.

    Smiting him for holding offensive views is another. And which views?

    As Ika says, it isn’t easy being Doom.


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  33. Boambee John says:

    m0nty says:
    August 18, 2021 at 10:06 am
    If Trump had wanted to oversee the withdrawal from Afghanistan, he had four long years to do it. He was the Pentagon’s boss. Don’t give me whines about how he couldn’t do it.

    Biden screwed up while doing it, but at least he got it done in the end.

    O’Bambi and Hiden had eight long years to oversee an early withdrawal from Afghanistan. Instead they “master-minded” a panicked withdrawal from Iraq, empowering ISIS, and causing tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of deaths. Did you criticise them at that time?


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  34. jo says:

    Monty is feeling irrelevant. ____________________________________________________________ Not only feeling it but is.


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  35. struth says:

    Government shill Rosie letting us know 5 million people have had been double jabbed.
    It’s RAMPING UP.
    5 million out of 26 million!
    And of course there will be boosters for them , and more boo-sters, more variants, and still nobody free.
    But plenty more dying of the death jab and taking up hospital beds with the jab jive and other strange happenings with the commo health bureaucrats saying there is nothing unusual about teens dying of heart attacks, rare blood clots now not rare, ……etc etc.
    Evil is coming on here trying to comfort yourself regarding your own idiocy and Darwin awards nomination, by trying to get others to think it is all good, and as normal and acceptable as a lock down (only to stage 2 of course)


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  36. m0nty says:

    Berejiklian copping a fair old serve today, deservedly so.


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  37. incoherent rambler says:

    Not just breast cancer. Most life threatening illnesses have better outcomes with early detection and treatment.

    Some very annoyed medicos around at the moment.
    Patients are doing poorly and horror amongst horrors, the number of patients and income is way down.
    I am wondering if doctor’s wives have noticed the income hit, yet.
    This could take out a big bloc of lab votes.


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  38. calli says:

    The surf’s really up today.

    Sure is. Woke me at 4am, booming across the marshland.

    And, naturally, we have the window washers in. Tonight the windows will be smeared with a new coating of salt. I found out their tradie secret too – truck wash. 🤫


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  39. srr says:

    “cohenite says:
    August 18, 2021 at 11:16 am
    […]
    The difference is Trump would have ENFORCED the agreement.”
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    Correct.


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  40. johanna says:

    ikamatua says:
    August 18, 2021 at 11:20 am

    “And yes, I am gloating. “.
    ..
    Why?
    Would you like to run a blog the dude was bombing?
    I wouldn’t be able to sleep.
    Kudos to both Adam and DB for putting up sites for us to peruse.

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    Arky, we had a lot of smug peeps eschewing this blog because Bird.

    Welcome to reality.

    What will they do now?


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  41. Mick Gold Coast QLD says:

    wivenhoe says at 10:25 am:

    “It would appear that Professor Bunyip has made a return over at DBs”

    … and “DBs” is?


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  42. Mike Hunt says:

    Oh dear, Smithers, there is a raaaarrrrther unpalatable chap saying some vile and unpleasant things on the blog that Adam D put together.
    Oh yes, Althrop, I noticed it too.
    We mustn’t allow that sort of talk to be tolerated.
    We should at once spit on the site hurriedly set up by somebody who obviously hasn’t the class and sophistication to get a blog going in the manner one must expect and demand, especially if one’s presence is to be enjoyed by the lower classes.
    We must turn our backs on it at once.

    I nearly sent myself to sleep writing that.


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  43. Roger says:

    The guys certainly didn’t want to fight for the corrupt regime or their corrupt officers, and certainly not against holy warriors of Islam.

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    Corruption was certainly an issue, Bruce.

    But my main point – and what gets on my goat – is that Biden smeared the footsoldiers of a national army that had been an ally for 20 years after having abandoned them to their fate – deliberately, one can only conclude as we learn more about the withdrawal process Biden presided over. US veterans – and I’ve heard it from a couple of Australian vets too – are rightly trashing him.

    These remarks are not only insulting and disrespectful to Afghanistan, they are dangerous as they compound the global decline in trust that the US had been experiencing since Bush 43.

    The Taiwanese must be feeling particularly vulnerable atm with Chinese forces holding assault drills off their shores.


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  44. calli says:

    Twitter has now become completely useless to me as a tool to view Covid updates.

    Looked up the NSW Health twitter page for an update and now Twitter wants me to “log in” to see the Government feed. Presumably to harvest my details.

    Thanks Big Tech.


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  45. calli says:

    Mick, it’s Dover’s New Catallaxy.

    The link will take you to the Home page.


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  46. ikamatua says:

    ” peeps eschewing this blog because Bird.”
    ..
    It’s a natural reaction.
    If you see a dog turd on the pavement, do you go over and stomp on it and get all covered in dog shit, or do you go “Phew, disgusting” and walk away?
    Bird leaves the written equivalent of dog shit all over the blog.
    Doesn’t mean I think the dude should be booted from all society, pursued by human rights creeps, jailed or that people should be tainted by association because they use the same forum. We have to actively fight all of THOSE things. Makes it harder to do so when you are gasping on the stench of dog shit.


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