Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Hayden believes players should not be able to pick and choose which national tours they go on

    +1 on that, KD.

    Rebuilding is part of every team’s evolution and in fact it also can help the individual in his/her personal growth; so have him start right now. (And we need the same commitment in the political arena so we can get what we pay for).


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  2. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “On the fracturing of the Cat – the Internet is a “winner take all” numbers game. Ask Facebook competitors. I’ll give it a while longer. Got to keep an eye on Bird and the nano wrigglers though.”
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    True but some of Facebook’s competitors are doing okay…such as Minds. I think at the moment there’s room for more than one Cat. Thankfully Bird has gone….for the time being….however just like the sun rises everyday in the east….Bird will be back.


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  3. Eyrie says:

    Jo Nova really is a Loon. Karening about the virus again this morning.
    Seriously, she’s a complete fool.


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  4. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “The Age.”

    ‘Palpable fear’: The Afghan advocate takes on the Victoria Cross winner
    Nick Bonyhady
    By Nick Bonyhady
    August 19, 2021 — 11.23pm
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    There was no doubting their common sincerity as the Afghan-Australian human rights campaigner and the Victoria Cross recipient spoke to their respective communities. But that was where the common ground ended in a gripping exchange on Q+A. And at the end of the debate over Australia’s plans to take 3000 refugees from Afghanistan, only the soldier had won the public support of the Immigration Minister.

    Victoria Cross recipient Daniel Keighran went first. “To start with, let me first say that as a veteran myself, I know there’s a lot of hurt in the veteran community right now,” Keighran said. “Let me say that your service absolutely was worthwhile in Afghanistan.”

    Diana Sayed, chief executive of the Australian Muslim Women’s Centre for Human Rights, started the same way. “I want to say: Afghans, I see you, I hear you, I am one of you,” Sayed said. “And I’d also like to say there is palpable fear right now for those here in Australia for loved ones back at home, and for the rest of us who are reliving past traumas for our parents and our families and their experiences of war.”

    Asked by host David Speers whether Australia’s initial commitment to accept 3000 Afghan refugees after the rapid collapse of the Afghan government and seizure of power by the Taliban was enough, Sayed was adamant it was not nearly enough.

    “We need an emergency intake of an additional 20,000 visas to be granted to Afghans,” she said, naming those who have assisted Australian troops such as translators as a priority along with vulnerable groups such as women and LGBT people.

    Keighran, who joined the army at 17 and deployed to East Timor, Iraq and then Afghanistan twice, made clear the risks in his view.

    “I think there’s plenty of reasons from my personal experiences on the ground [not to do that],” he said. Keighran recounted an ambush in 2010 in Afghanistan’s Uruzgan Province where he drew fire to himself three times in an attempt to save a mortally wounded comrade’s life. It won him the Victoria Cross, Australia’s highest military honour.

    “The reason it was so big, that engagement, was because the Afghan National Army commander on the ground was working for the Taliban,” Keighran said. Other veterans had told him of their interpreters guiding them into improvised explosives, he said. Vetting of potential refugees was important, he said, but Keighran ended with this: “I went to Afghanistan to fight the problems in Afghanistan, let’s not import those problems to Australia.”

    Sayed would have none of it. Keighran’s whole way of presenting the issue in military terms reduced Afghans to security threats, she said. “You’re flattening us as a people… We’re here to tell you that we’re human beings worthy of being granted safety just like anyone else.” It traduced Australia’s vetting process too, she added.


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  5. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    min says:
    August 20, 2021 at 8:29 am

    min, Gladys is not being hammering in NSW for her love affairs; she’s being hammered for her 180 turnaround on how to deal with ‘rona. She is deliberately and consciously wrecking the state’s economy after being monstered by the PM and General Frewin. She has abrogated her responsibility to the residents of NSW; it’s time for her to go, or be rolled.


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  6. Eyrie says:

    Bird does have occasional use as beare repellant.


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  7. Baba says:

    The Cairns taxi driver infected with the super dooper infectious Delta variant spent 10 days driving very vulnerable indigenous passengers around town and transmitted the disease. To absolutely no one.


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  8. Bruce of Newcastle says:

    In bird news this morning – the butcherbirds are running two nests complete with an unknown number of chicks. So, from a pair three years ago, we are now supporting a small empire.

    I’ve got friendly noisy miners taking food away to all four points of the compass! The suburb will be awash. Which is a good thing since they can displace indian mynahs if they have sufficient strength in numbers. Nearest nest is in a small tree in neighbours’ yard to the west, the others seem to be a lot further away.

    Only one resident butcherbird at the moment as his lady is too busy right now to come to the Cafe, but hubby makes up for her absence by enthusiastically taking great quantities of mince back for her.


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  9. lotocoti says:

    Patience, Baba.
    The Miasma is lurking, waiting to pounce.


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  10. Cassie of Sydney says:

    “Bird does have occasional use as beare repellant.”
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    Wrong…..there is no “use” for Bird on any platform


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  11. jo says:

    Good comment Knuckles. Everything in life is standards, don’t be surprised with the results if you have none.


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  12. Boambee John says:

    Calli

    I have noticed some interesting differences. For a start, Dover’s site doesn’t appear to attract trolls, whereas this place oozes with them. We are so blessed.

    Sad news, Dover was plagued by Steve from Brisbane and Homer yesterday.


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  13. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    “I went to Afghanistan to fight the problems in Afghanistan, let’s not import those problems to Australia”

    Probably the most cogent statement uttered about Afghanistan in the 20 years we were there, and, quite possibly, the most cogent statement said on any subject in this country in the last 18 months.

    The question is, will it get the proper degree of coverage it is worthy of by the media class and the politicians?


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  14. Indolent says:

    Auchan in Marseille: anti passport activists blocked the entrance to the Auchan supermarket because it refuses entry to non-vaccinated customers. 👊

    https://twitter.com/chrissy_2697/status/1428306886336688133?s=21

    Good on them. If we can’t come in, no one can…
    ****************
    Scroll down a bit from this tweet and there’s a message from a Dr. Utsava about something going on at Bondi Beach. I can’t click into it because twitter won’t let me without joining and I refuse to join.


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  15. jo says:

    ‘More than 90 Australians and Afghans have landed in Perth this morning as Scott Morrison said the rescue mission could be increased.’
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    What does Mark Moron say about this?____________________________________________________________Were they vaccinated first before being allowed in?


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  16. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    OK, I better go and do something…

    Actually, before I go, I just will say that I don’t miss that endless cry of a previous time of “play nice.” It was patronising and always seemed to me that some of those who said it, seldom did it.


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  17. calli says:

    “I went to Afghanistan to fight the problems in Afghanistan, let’s not import those problems to Australia”

    Misery likes company. If we are unable to share the joy, let’s make everyone equally joyless.

    There is probably some link there with the second law of thermodynamics.


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  18. min says:

    BBS , discussion was to do with her stepping down as a result of ICAC investigations into the ex boyfriend where she might get tarnished in the results .
    As for Covid backflip, up until now Glad has followed advice of Chant but there appears to be a split , as observed from Danistan . Chant wants harder lockdown . So who runs the show Premier or CMO ? Or will there be a stouthearted after months of getting along together?


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  19. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    “What does Mark Moron say about this?____________________________________________________________Were they vaccinated first before being allowed in?”
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    Quarantined at the Hyatt Regency..


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  20. calli says:

    that endless cry of a previous time of “play nice.”

    That would be me. But also with the understanding that there would be a cleaning up of bloodstains and body removal. And perhaps a skip for the broken furniture.


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  21. min says:

    According to Michael Smith news , Astra Zeneca has been renamed Vaxaveria


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  22. srr says:

    From Dover’s –

    “Those who take Covid ‘vaccines’ … have a HIGHER risk of severe disease or even death”
    Steve Kates
    Posted on August 19, 2021
    https://newcatallaxy.blog/2021/08/19/those-who-take-covid-vaccines-have-a-higher-risk-of-severe-disease-or-even-death/


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  23. H B Bear says:

    The issue is not Afghanis per se. It is large groups collectively from low-trust societies with war torn, socially dislocated upbringings not able or equiped to actively participate in wider society. Enough examples on the streets already. Not sure there is anything in it for us to add another one.


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  24. mh says:

    ‘One of Sydney’s most iconic eateries, Chinatown’s Golden Century Seafood Restaurant, has gone into administration with one staff member saying they had been “terminated”.’


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  25. H B Bear says:

    Most restaurants are on the verge of insolvency at the best of times. Surprised any are left at all.


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  26. caveman says:

    How did Mc Clown let them in?


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  27. rosie says:

    Interesting bear.

    I remember a former colleague saying a few years ago he could buy a restaurant in his speciality for 10k any time he wanted to.

    Because there were literally too many


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  28. Baba says:

    Some businesses fail! News at eleven.


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  29. mh says:

    Rosie, he appears to have put more thought into it than the dumbo NRL players currently spruiking frankenshots.

    The YouTube comments look positive.


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  30. Ragu says:

    Chinatown’s Golden Century Seafood Restaurant

    Isn’t that an ALP hang-out?


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  31. Roger says:

    The question is, will it get the proper degree of coverage it is worthy of by the media class and the politicians?

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    I think the politicians are on board.

    Morrison has said the window of opportunity is small & the numbers will be modest.

    We won’t be bringing in 20 000 Afghani alphabet people.

    Not least because the “optics” of doing that when we have 30 000+ Australian citizens stranded abroad are not politically tenable.


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  32. Roger says:

    Isn’t that an ALP hang-out?

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    Was.

    Meanwhile, as I noted yesterday, the local rag has a new regular features:

    Business Liquidations.

    Unemployment in QLD now the highest in the nation thanks to tourism being decimated and our CHO is threatening a “months long” lockdown if just 1 Delta case occurs in the community.

    This is the CHO who lets movie stars in because “it’s good for the economy”.

    We are governed by idiots.


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  33. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    calli says:
    August 20, 2021 at 9:12 am

    calli, I remember your morning check-in with, “what a mess! ‘ere, you lot, it needs a clean up ’round ‘ere” A great resetting of the Cat’s equilibrium, it was/is(?😁). Direct, yes; patronising, no.


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  34. H B Bear says:

    Roger – hard to see how commercial property comes back after this Covid or no Covid.


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  35. Roger says:

    We are governed by idiots.

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    Speaking of which, Joe Biden closed Trump’s Afghanistan Contingency and Crisis Response office.

    He lied to the world when he said every contingency was planned for. He’d sacked the very people who were tasked by Trump with doing that.

    As Barack Obama once said, “never underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up”.


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  36. struth says:

    Peter Campion (cardimona)
    All the worst Hitlerian tendencies of the international left are on full display again. Mandatory medical experiments (gene-altering vaccines), domestic travel documents (vax passports), house arrest for the innocent (lockdowns), fascism (forced business closures and business models). What a shame we stopped teaching history. Now we’re going to repeat it. And you know who’ll suffer the worst? Women, the elderly and the disabled. Woz, Parramatta Park

    A whistleblower in the aged care sector in Hawaii has revealed that covid vaccines are killing the elderly – and their deaths are being recorded as being caused by covid, because that qualifies the organisation for government covid cheques. Tam, Brinsmead

    I’m a tradesman in the transport sector. I have never seen so many tradies and truckies so filled with loathing for politicians. Nobody thinks all this is about a disease any more. We don’t understand what politicians are up to, but we know we don’t like it. Mechanic, Smithfield

    The army could supply a pontoon bridge for the Barron at Kuranda. It wouldn’t take much to rejuvenate the road approaches to the earlier low-level bridge. Use them to take heavy vehicles off the the high-level bridge and then reopen it fully to light traffic. That’d give the government time to fix its failure to plan properly. Frank, Kuranda

    Covid is actually the most treatable respiratory virus ever – but the governments of the western world want an unmanageable pandemic for political control reasons and therefore that’s what we now have. Mark W. Redlynch

    A global psychological operation (psyop) such as “covid” may have worked in the past, but in the age of the internet a complicit media is just not enough. “Vax hesitant” people are simply everyone who knows governments and media lie and who do their own research. One Tooth Wally, Cairns North

    Everyone knows the climate changes but only the left believe humans can control it. Same with Covid. Everyone knows there’s a new flu every year but only the left believe the government responses to this year’s variant are justified. Everyone used to believe we had a left and right in domestic politics but now only the left believe that because almost all our politicians are acting as leftists. People who don’t lean left are going to be looking for somewhere new to park their votes. Darryl, Westcourt

    Geez, we’re aiming low with our “magnificent seven” construction projects, aren’t we? No new dams? No new reliable power stations? No new overpasses? Colour me underwhelmed. Moorooboolian, Cairns

    I feel that we have lost our civilisation – because tyrants now control our governments and the majority of the voter population have been completely brainwashed by domestic media which is owned and run by our ideological enemies. Jennifer, Edge Hill

    “Vax was key to why Delta didn’t spread” (CP, 19/8). Ha ha, that headline was widely predicted – because it’s been used elsewhere. No, the vaccinated are shedding virus particles. The vaccinated are spreading Delta. The vaccinated are the ones who should be isolated and shunned. Fortunately, Delta is just the common cold so it only bumps off the terminally unhealthy anyway. Joanne, Manunda

    Tom Urban (CP, 18/8) what’s your alternative to opening up regardless of Covid? A prison island locked down forever? Even the remotest islands got Spanish Flu eventually. David Clapham (CP, 18/8) there are no videos of people dying of covid. There are only videos of people with respiratory illness such as we’re used to seeing. There are no excess deaths in any country. There’s only inevitable deaths brought forward slightly. And you’d jail people? “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a socialist.” Careful what you wish for. Ray E, Trinity Beach

    If you can smell a fart through your silly mask you can catch a virus through it, too. That’s just science. Chloe, Kuranda

    Once the truth comes out about the covid panicdemic – and it will – the media employees who wilfully blocked that truth will be pilloried. “Just following orders” wasn’t a valid defence for Auschwitz guards and it won’t help Australian journalists either. Higgs, Tolga


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  37. Shy Ted says:

    Buy your local member a dog as thanks for standing up for your rights, defending the constitution and so on. This dog. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-r9kBALZenkU/YRrzdsmsYSI/AAAAAAAA8Gg/75nwM9yfa_EFQzAPtqhf6mQcx7eJ0Ul9ACLcBGAsYHQ/s444/daily_gifdump_3621_02.gif


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  38. srr says:

    Why are we Giving Legal aid to Convicted Rapists?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_d-PwC8HQI

    Aug 20, 2021
    The Podcast of the Lotus Eaters
    _______________________________________

    THE problem has always been that the ‘proper channels’ of Police, Courts & Govt Ministers are full of ‘gates’ opened to drown the victims in despair & give the child rapists swift & smooth rides to safety.

    Keep it in mind when those who point it out are fobbed off as, “Crazy Conspiracy Theorists”, and especially when they’re told to, ‘shut up & take their concerns to the police.’
    Victims of child sex slavers are still being sold out by ‘proper channels’, to this day.


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  39. Roger says:

    Roger – hard to see how commercial property comes back after this Covid or no Covid.

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    On the upside, Bear, universities are being told their business model is obsolete.

    No need for foreign students to come to our shores when they can log in online.

    I suspect there’ll be quite a drop in demand without the lure of a visa attached.


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  40. H B Bear says:

    Bits of the universities will make lovely apartments or retirement villages. Much of the new stuff will have to be demolished.


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  41. cohenite says:

    Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:
    August 20, 2021 at 8:45 am
    “The Age.”

    ‘Palpable fear’: The Afghan advocate takes on the Victoria Cross winner
    Nick Bonyhady
    By Nick Bonyhady
    August 19, 2021 — 11.23pm
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    The afghan advocate should shut her fucking gob and count her blessings. It’s because of skanks like her that BRS is being prosecuted. There are no civilians in wars like afshitistan.

    Speaking of muzzies good to hear Langer is standing up to the token one in the team and the snowflakes. Don’t forget these ratbags were busy taking the knee during the recent T20 when the WI wiped the floor with them.


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  42. incoherent rambler says:

    I had a quick look at doover’s site.

    It is infested with a “rosie”.


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  43. rosie says:

    Could be worse. Could be invested with a know nothing, nothing to add sad sack called incoherent rambler


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  44. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Roger:
    We won’t be bringing in 20 000 Afghani alphabet people.

    Not least because the “optics” of doing that when we have 30 000+ Australian citizens stranded abroad are not politically tenable

    Good point.


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  45. Runnybum says:

    Adam should rename this blog to ‘Rosies rant site’


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  46. struth says:

    Bloody hell SSR, the way Rosie and Lizzie are dismissing all evidence regarding the dangers of the vaccineshotzunfucken could almost have me believe you that they are being paid. Especially on other cat sites.
    They’re meowing and hissing all over the place.
    However, it’s probably closer to the truth to say, ….never underestimate what some women will do to twist the real world into their reality, especially when they know they’ve stuffed up big time.
    Hysteria and it’s side effects.
    More people have died from these so called vaccines than all others put together in the history of vaccines.
    Yet they are not halted.
    Facts matter.

    And we don’t know how many more will fall because they are untested.
    Maybe all of them, who knows, ……….the planet needs saving, and the bastards keep breathing out carbon.

    By the way, do we all remember before this happening, the sudden rush to legalise killing babies up to and after birth?
    Came out of left field didn’t it.
    And Government assisted culling of the old.
    (saves a shit load of money)
    But I digress…….well what do you expect from me?!
    No other disease needs a passport , it’s almost as if no other diseases exist at the moment……………….well the flu has been renamed, and death by old age is now death by covid….
    And the insanity continues with people believing they’ll vote their tyrants out next election…..(you can’t make this shit up) and oh, yes, our pollies are just stupid.
    Incompetent.
    If they are following Klaus’s orders which they seem to be doing, to kill Australia and Australians, Australia has the best and brightest pollies on the planet.


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  47. twostix says:

    Google mobility data compiled by The Age

    Your phone as is your personal spy.


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  48. cohenite says:

    Some of the headlines about the zombie’s withdrawl from afshitistan:

    Joe Biden Claims ‘No One’s Being Killed Right Now’ in Kabul Despite Reports of 12 Deaths

    Biden Ensures States, Cities Have No Veto Power Over Afghan Refugees

    Report: Biden Admin Charging Americans Up to $2000 Per Evacuation from Kabul

    CAN’T MAKE THIS UP: Biden State Dept. Focused on Gender Equality as 10,000-20,000 Americans Remain Trapped inside Afghanistan

    ‘That’s Not True’ – Biden Throws Military Brass Under the Bus, Claims They Never Urged Him to Keep 2,500 Troops in Afghanistan to Maintain Stability (VIDEO)

    BIDEN EFFECT: US Lost Several Military Aircraft that Were Flown Out of Afghanistan – They Have No Idea How Many Were Lost — VIDEO

    Taliban Execute Four Afghanistan Army and Police Commanders in Kandahar Cricket Stadium

    In a just world the zombie and about 100 of the swamp would be dropped in afshitistan for the talifucks to play with.


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  49. Libby of Sydney says:

    Bird does have occasional use as beare repellant

    He should always be welcome here just for that reason.


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  50. cohenite says:

    Oh, forgot this one:

    Biden says Taliban is just ‘going through sort of an existential crisis,’ gives them credit

    Biden should be executed.


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