Two good submarine decisions but we need to acquire nuclears now
By Top Ender
The Australian federal government has made two good decisions on our submarine future. Continuing the ridiculous contract with the French for 12 diesel-electric boats would have been on parallel with our foolishness in not ordering Spitfires for our defence in 1940. The Morrison government followed their brave moment with deciding on nuclear submarines as an alternative – an excellent idea. But that won’t get us out of our present predicament. What we need is a submarine weapons system right now – and that’s possible.
We have had a flawed defence acquisition attitude for decades in this country. Government after government wants to build too many defence platforms here. We can do it, but only with minor weapons systems such as patrol boats. Inevitably major builds run late and over-budget. We also insist on fiddling with the design. This would be disastrous in the case of future nuclear submarines. We need to simply copy what is already in the water and successful.
But even though we seem to be finally manning up to the hard questions, building our own boats to appear in 10 years is not good enough. We are facing a period of heightened threats and we need weapons systems now, not then. Buying the Virginia-class off the USA straight away would be the best decision, but that might not be possible as the USN is acquiring all so far produced. Fortunately there is another solution. The United States Navy has a number of other nuclear attack boats in storage. We should lease or buy six now.
The Los Angeles nuclear fleet of the USN have been in service for many years, and several are laid up – in fact, some of the original ones are being scrapped. They use the preferred weapons systems of our Navy, the Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles, and Mark 48 torpedo. We’re probably going to build the more capable Virginia-class, their replacement. But the Los Angeles class are gradually being retired, and would provide both an excellent training platform for nuclear vessels, and more importantly, an immediate and effective deterrent to any would-be enemies.
One obstacle any nay-sayers would immediately bring up is the fact that the Los Angeles are bigger than our present Collins and need a larger crew: 129 compared to 58. That can be remedied by advertising – with the relevant country’s permission – for submariners from the UK and the USA. The service could be continuous to transition into the boats the RAN would eventually acquire from the build here. In fact the naval personnel transitioning from these overseas navies would be also excellent trainers for our own personnel who would need to be brought up to speed on how to operate a nuclear power plant.
We need nuclear submarines mainly for their range and endurance. In both these areas they are superior to diesel-electric boats. A nuclear can travel immense distances without surfacing, and once on station the submarine can stay there until its food runs out, again without surfacing. Diesel-electrics are driven to the surface regularly as their batteries become depleted, so they can run their diesel to recharge. This can be done by a snorkel, but anywhere near the surface makes the submarine more likely to be detected – and therefore attacked.
If we want to deter an aggressor nation over the next few years we need this ability – to stay on station indefinitely – straightaway, not in a decade, or even in five years, which might incidentally be possible. (The Royal Navy’s HMS Dreadnought was launched in 1960, five years after the US Navy’s first nuclear, USS Nautilus – in other words from concept to reality in half a decade.)
And putting such a formidable platform into the sea near any aggressor is a move designed to lessen war, not increase it. One of the best aspects of the submarine concept is that the enemy does not know where it is once it’s at sea – unless of course it’s detected – another reason why we should have the almost undetectable nuclears as opposed to frequently re-fuelling diesel-electrics.
We could, and should, have several nuclear boats operating out of Perth within a year, not 10. A vessel leaving port starts a huge circle of probability going the moment it submerges. If you have a concept of the boat’s underwater speed you can calculate the size of that circle – somewhere within it is the submarine. As the hours go by the circle gets bigger, and soon it impacts where your own vessels are, perhaps on their way to attack Australia. Thus the mere presence of a submarine forces you to convey your more vulnerable freighters, tankers, and troopships, slowing your assault down. A submarine can launch covert swimmers and lay mines against your harbours too, while submerged, and thus you have to guard against those possibilities as well. If you can’t take these measures properly then your whole invasion process grinds to a halt until you can. Thus a submarine off your coast is an extremely effective deterrence – even though it hasn’t fired a shot.
Deploying the Collins-boats to carry out effective deterrence operations off distant enemy coasts is hazardous and inefficient. Even though they are a good platform, and operated by extremely capable people, they must recharge their batteries near the surface. And once their diesel supply reaches the level where they only have enough to get home or to a tanker, then they must leave. It varies with the speeds used, but a diesel boat’s endurance is measured only in weeks. A nuclear boat’s is in years, and of course it has never surfaced in its entire patrol.
There is another decision the government can make straight away. The names of the Collins-class should be carried on into our future nuclear boats. They are all named after heroes of the Navy from World War II. The only sailor – rather than an officer – of the six, Teddy Sheean, has just been awarded the Navy’s only Victoria Cross. These names should live forever. That’s one easy decision to make. Slightly harder but just as logical would be to arm our Navy with the best weapons they can get, and do it now – acquire working nuclear submarines from the USA immediately.
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Top Ender served as a naval intelligence officer in the RAN. He is a military historian whose latest work is Teddy Sheean VC.
Thanks for that link MH, six police cars and a creepy motorbike cop to conduct a roadside RBT. I admire the way Cossack keeps his cool despite the continual police harassment.
Honestly, if you were a member of the police force, wouldn’t you hang your head in absolute shame.
What about repairs and maintenance?? We would have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine during a war than a nuclear powered submarine. WE need to be as self sufficient as possible.
I think we have gone from the frying pan into the fire. If Abbott was PM i think we may have gone for the Japanese diesel submarines.
Plus a nuclear submarine gives us a macho image we can do without.
Neil says: September 20, 2021 at 12:56 pm
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You are being contrarian for the sake of it, using feelz instead of reason.
Just like with J B, the cricketer.
And what is the good of a damaged nuclear submarine we cannot repair during a war?? We have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine than we do a nuclear sub.
We need to be as self sufficient as possible because the Americans may not be around to help out.
I was down at the Cathedral of St Dans when the Bois roared up on their Harleys, roared around for a while, parked wherever they damn wanted and rolled into the shop.
No masks, no flashy flashy at the spy code.
Nobody said a word. They stuck their rum and whiskey into their jackets and roared off.
“”” You are being contrarian for the sake of it, using feelz instead of reason.
Just like with J B, the cricketer. “””
I am using my brains regarding Joe Burns. Name me anybody better out of all the people they tried to partner Warner other than Burns??
Burns with a batting averaging of 38 has done better than many people before him and certainly better than anybody they tried after dropping him 5 times
Much harder to damage a nuclear sub because they can’t be seen every few days and don’t make a lot of noise like the joe burns of submarines. Village looking for idiot. You have a great lack of understanding. Munty level.
Neil says: “And what is the good of a damaged nuclear submarine we cannot repair during a war?? We have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine than we do a nuclear sub.”
I don’t think we’re progressing much here, mate. You just keep repeating the same tired defeated arguments.
As I pointed out before, you don’t seem to understand that a submarine is just a submarine. Some have nuclear engines. Swapping out such an engine is actually easier than stripping out seized diesels.
And as Jo says above, your nuclear is a lot less likely to be damaged, as it’s a LOT less likely to be detected.
And what is the good of a damaged nuclear submarine we cannot repair during a war?? We have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine than we do a nuclear sub.
We need to be as self sufficient as possible because the Americans may not be around to help out.
By your logic should we be building our own aircraft as well and every other major system and component? Computer chips too?
This is not feasible for a small nation like Australia which lacks the industrial base for advanced manufacturing that exists in America, Japan or Europe.
We can certainly do maintenance here though.
And a world without America around to help out would be so radically different it is unimaginable. So we need to do what we must to make sure that does not happen.
It is difficult to imagine significant combat damage to the nuke systems of a submarine that wouldn’t cause her outright loss.
Modern anti-submarine weapons are vastly more effective than the depth charges and hedgehogs of WWII and much more likely to destroy submarines outright than damage them.
However, for general reactor maintenance/repair/refueling the US Navy has 2 sub tenders homeported in Guam capable of doing those tasks and more. They can position themselves wherever needed. For example, in WWII the remote submarine base established in Exmouth Gulf was served by the USS Pelias, a submarine tender.
Australia can always choose to develop those reactor servicing capabilities for herself once she gains the knowledge and experience with the systems to do so.
Thanks, Top Ender, for explaining the topic in language that non-experts can understand. You clearly have no future in academia, though. 🙂
Meanwhile, the Danistan police union is boo-hooing about how difficult their job is, how nothing would have happened if only those pesky demonstrators had obeyed orders and stayed home, and how easy it is to mistake a bloke wearing three cameras and a large Press pass for a Nazi.
The MSM, till now indifferent to the fate of protesters beaten up by the cops, is suddenly putting on it’s furrowed brow and concerned voice identity. Beating up old ladies is one thing, but really, one of our own? That’s a bridge too far.
No comment on the poor woman who was hurled to the ground and sprayed, though. The spin doctors are still in conference about that one.
So, the cops are doubling down, saying that next time they will send in the clowns with all the sexy anti-personnel weapons they have been dying to try out on live targets. This is their version of winning the hearts and minds, strangely absent when BLM/Antifa are having a hoedown in the middle of town, or the offspring of the ruling clique are glueing themselves to roads and buildings to Save Da Planet.
What was interesting was that the union said that their members were unfairly copping the flak for Danno’s policies. Trouble in Paradise?
Watch out, Danno, I think your card has been marked.
“”” As I pointed out before, you don’t seem to understand that a submarine is just a submarine. Some have nuclear engines. “”
BTW do you know what powers the Brits new Aircraft carriers?? Gas turbines.
Apparently the Brits looked at powering their new Aircraft carriers using a nuclear reactor like the Americans. They decided not to because they thought it would be too difficult for them so they went for a gas turbine power plant
So Britain is a country with a nuclear power industry and nuclear submarines but they thought putting a nuclear reactor into a ship would be too difficult for them. Turns out the gas turbine engine has some advantages over nuclear anyway
What was interesting was that the union said that their members were unfairly copping the flak for Danno’s policies. Trouble in Paradise?
Watch out, Danno, I think your card has been marked.
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Not quite right, Barista. Here is what the Victorian Police Association rep actually said:
Mr Gatt said police officers on Saturday became scapegoats for aggression initially directed towards the state government over its COVID restrictions.
“Police have become the physical target for this violence, but they’re not the ideological target. Governments are the ideological target, yet it’s our members that become the punching bags for this,” he said.
Mr Gatt said while Victoria Police achieved its objective of stopping people travelling to the city, certain elements of the operation could have been better executed to keep officers safe.
“That’s something that we struggle with and it’s something that will challenge us, and in the days and hours ahead we’ll talk to Victoria Police about how we can do things better to make sure that that isn’t an outcome of future protester demonstration activity,” he said.
“When you have situations where large numbers of members have been injured, you’re duty-bound to look at that.”
So – Dan is in no danger – and Victorian police tactics will be the better for the experience.
As I’ve said though the problem is, is there any method of recalling or otherwise rectifying the fraudulent old bastard POTUS now dribbling and sniffing in the WH? A good essay on possible legal avenues to turf him out is here:
Basically a ruling, including an election result, can be overturned if the ruling/result was obtained by fraud. The issue is though, the demorats will not accept any such decision even if a court was brave enough to decide it and with the rats controlling both houses, fraudulently, I can’t see any peaceful way of obtaining justice.
Bear (no reference intended :)) in mind that these girls had alimentary canals filled with pellets Living on coffee, booze, prescribed and non prescribed drugs and celery sticks …
The farts of a Supermodel would be majestic in terms of age of the source, could easily be a week old.
If joe burns put as much effort into his batting as you do expounding anything but nuclear e.g. rubberbands he would still be in the Australian cricket team. But he’s not and never will be.
“” If joe burns put as much effort into his batting as you do expounding anything but nuclear e.g. rubberbands he would still be in the Australian cricket team. “””
Burns has a Test and First Class batting average of approx 38. Below average but there have been worse.
The Australian selectors agree with your opinion. Trouble is they tried, i don’t know, 3, 4 or maybe 5 alternatives and none of them did better than Joe Burns.
≫The evidence of fraud in the Trump election is now over the Moon≪
Yup.
<a href=”https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/09/election-officials-dont-know-what-happened-15-j-christian-adams/”>Election Officials Don’t Know What Happened to 15 Million Mail Ballots in 2020 Election(/a> (17 Sep)
Fifteen million is the difference between what Obama got to win in 2012 and what Biden “got” in 2020.
Oops, apology for the link typo. Here’s the link again:
<a href=”https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/09/election-officials-dont-know-what-happened-15-j-christian-adams/”>Election Officials Don’t Know What Happened to 15 Million Mail Ballots in 2020 Election</a> (17 Sep)
Ah, yes, that Micki Minaj or this one?
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I can’t wait to travel again either. But where will you be headed?
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I am Tom
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Who does one thank for the lame pics these days; they seem to be presented by a collective. Anyway all good: morning toons, tulips and titties.
In other news, more evidence of electoral fraud with Trump:
What’s Going On? Arizona Recently Processed 673,000 Voter Identities with the Social Security Administration – 58% Had NO MATCH FOUND (thegatewaypundit.com)
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He now operates as a full time freelance photographer based in Melbourne.
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Hired to work on particular assignments by The Age newspaper.
That’s why The Age describes Luis as an Age photographer.
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Lol. As if. Luis is an activist photographer who knows who to email:
Ashleigh McMillan is a breaking news reporter at The Age. Got a story? Email me at a.mcmillan@theage.com.au
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Hilarious live broadcast from the Cossack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rythLqLwoo
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Fucking teachers:
Watch: Scumbag Teacher Laughs While Explaining How She Disregards the Law to Continue Teaching Her Students CRT – (Video) (thegatewaypundit.com)
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That Chinese cop speaks accented English like it is a second language. Reckon he’s not CCP? Start waking up.
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Two good submarine decisions but we need to acquire nuclears now
By Top Ender
The Australian federal government has made two good decisions on our submarine future. Continuing the ridiculous contract with the French for 12 diesel-electric boats would have been on parallel with our foolishness in not ordering Spitfires for our defence in 1940. The Morrison government followed their brave moment with deciding on nuclear submarines as an alternative – an excellent idea. But that won’t get us out of our present predicament. What we need is a submarine weapons system right now – and that’s possible.
We have had a flawed defence acquisition attitude for decades in this country. Government after government wants to build too many defence platforms here. We can do it, but only with minor weapons systems such as patrol boats. Inevitably major builds run late and over-budget. We also insist on fiddling with the design. This would be disastrous in the case of future nuclear submarines. We need to simply copy what is already in the water and successful.
But even though we seem to be finally manning up to the hard questions, building our own boats to appear in 10 years is not good enough. We are facing a period of heightened threats and we need weapons systems now, not then. Buying the Virginia-class off the USA straight away would be the best decision, but that might not be possible as the USN is acquiring all so far produced. Fortunately there is another solution. The United States Navy has a number of other nuclear attack boats in storage. We should lease or buy six now.
The Los Angeles nuclear fleet of the USN have been in service for many years, and several are laid up – in fact, some of the original ones are being scrapped. They use the preferred weapons systems of our Navy, the Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles, and Mark 48 torpedo. We’re probably going to build the more capable Virginia-class, their replacement. But the Los Angeles class are gradually being retired, and would provide both an excellent training platform for nuclear vessels, and more importantly, an immediate and effective deterrent to any would-be enemies.
One obstacle any nay-sayers would immediately bring up is the fact that the Los Angeles are bigger than our present Collins and need a larger crew: 129 compared to 58. That can be remedied by advertising – with the relevant country’s permission – for submariners from the UK and the USA. The service could be continuous to transition into the boats the RAN would eventually acquire from the build here. In fact the naval personnel transitioning from these overseas navies would be also excellent trainers for our own personnel who would need to be brought up to speed on how to operate a nuclear power plant.
We need nuclear submarines mainly for their range and endurance. In both these areas they are superior to diesel-electric boats. A nuclear can travel immense distances without surfacing, and once on station the submarine can stay there until its food runs out, again without surfacing. Diesel-electrics are driven to the surface regularly as their batteries become depleted, so they can run their diesel to recharge. This can be done by a snorkel, but anywhere near the surface makes the submarine more likely to be detected – and therefore attacked.
If we want to deter an aggressor nation over the next few years we need this ability – to stay on station indefinitely – straightaway, not in a decade, or even in five years, which might incidentally be possible. (The Royal Navy’s HMS Dreadnought was launched in 1960, five years after the US Navy’s first nuclear, USS Nautilus – in other words from concept to reality in half a decade.)
And putting such a formidable platform into the sea near any aggressor is a move designed to lessen war, not increase it. One of the best aspects of the submarine concept is that the enemy does not know where it is once it’s at sea – unless of course it’s detected – another reason why we should have the almost undetectable nuclears as opposed to frequently re-fuelling diesel-electrics.
We could, and should, have several nuclear boats operating out of Perth within a year, not 10. A vessel leaving port starts a huge circle of probability going the moment it submerges. If you have a concept of the boat’s underwater speed you can calculate the size of that circle – somewhere within it is the submarine. As the hours go by the circle gets bigger, and soon it impacts where your own vessels are, perhaps on their way to attack Australia. Thus the mere presence of a submarine forces you to convey your more vulnerable freighters, tankers, and troopships, slowing your assault down. A submarine can launch covert swimmers and lay mines against your harbours too, while submerged, and thus you have to guard against those possibilities as well. If you can’t take these measures properly then your whole invasion process grinds to a halt until you can. Thus a submarine off your coast is an extremely effective deterrence – even though it hasn’t fired a shot.
Deploying the Collins-boats to carry out effective deterrence operations off distant enemy coasts is hazardous and inefficient. Even though they are a good platform, and operated by extremely capable people, they must recharge their batteries near the surface. And once their diesel supply reaches the level where they only have enough to get home or to a tanker, then they must leave. It varies with the speeds used, but a diesel boat’s endurance is measured only in weeks. A nuclear boat’s is in years, and of course it has never surfaced in its entire patrol.
There is another decision the government can make straight away. The names of the Collins-class should be carried on into our future nuclear boats. They are all named after heroes of the Navy from World War II. The only sailor – rather than an officer – of the six, Teddy Sheean, has just been awarded the Navy’s only Victoria Cross. These names should live forever. That’s one easy decision to make. Slightly harder but just as logical would be to arm our Navy with the best weapons they can get, and do it now – acquire working nuclear submarines from the USA immediately.
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Top Ender served as a naval intelligence officer in the RAN. He is a military historian whose latest work is Teddy Sheean VC.
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mh says:
September 20, 2021 at 11:09 am
Hilarious live broadcast from the Cossack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rythLqLwoo
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Thanks for that link MH, six police cars and a creepy motorbike cop to conduct a roadside RBT. I admire the way Cossack keeps his cool despite the continual police harassment.
Honestly, if you were a member of the police force, wouldn’t you hang your head in absolute shame.
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Top Ender
What about repairs and maintenance?? We would have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine during a war than a nuclear powered submarine. WE need to be as self sufficient as possible.
I think we have gone from the frying pan into the fire. If Abbott was PM i think we may have gone for the Japanese diesel submarines.
Plus a nuclear submarine gives us a macho image we can do without.
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Top Ender says:
September 20, 2021 at 12:43 pm
Two good submarine decisions but we need to acquire nuclears now
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well said TE
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Neil says:
September 20, 2021 at 12:56 pm
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You are being contrarian for the sake of it, using feelz instead of reason.
Just like with J B, the cricketer.
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Neil says:
September 20, 2021 at 12:56 pm
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wooden ships are what we need….
and wooden spears
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Would be a good look in a diesel, don’t you think Neil, off the China coast?
After three days submerged, you have to come up to recharge your batteries.
After a few weeks of this, you need more diesel.
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TE
And what is the good of a damaged nuclear submarine we cannot repair during a war?? We have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine than we do a nuclear sub.
We need to be as self sufficient as possible because the Americans may not be around to help out.
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I have developed a love interest for Bikies.
I was down at the Cathedral of St Dans when the Bois roared up on their Harleys, roared around for a while, parked wherever they damn wanted and rolled into the shop.
No masks, no flashy flashy at the spy code.
Nobody said a word. They stuck their rum and whiskey into their jackets and roared off.
That is genuine ‘fuck you democracy’ right there,
Heroes.
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Neil says:
September 20, 2021 at 1:25 pm
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seahorses are the ultimate answer
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“”” You are being contrarian for the sake of it, using feelz instead of reason.
Just like with J B, the cricketer. “””
I am using my brains regarding Joe Burns. Name me anybody better out of all the people they tried to partner Warner other than Burns??
Burns with a batting averaging of 38 has done better than many people before him and certainly better than anybody they tried after dropping him 5 times
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Much harder to damage a nuclear sub because they can’t be seen every few days and don’t make a lot of noise like the joe burns of submarines. Village looking for idiot. You have a great lack of understanding. Munty level.
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Neil says: “And what is the good of a damaged nuclear submarine we cannot repair during a war?? We have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine than we do a nuclear sub.”
I don’t think we’re progressing much here, mate. You just keep repeating the same tired defeated arguments.
As I pointed out before, you don’t seem to understand that a submarine is just a submarine. Some have nuclear engines. Swapping out such an engine is actually easier than stripping out seized diesels.
And as Jo says above, your nuclear is a lot less likely to be damaged, as it’s a LOT less likely to be detected.
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Neil says:
September 20, 2021 at 1:25 pm
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By your logic should we be building our own aircraft as well and every other major system and component? Computer chips too?
This is not feasible for a small nation like Australia which lacks the industrial base for advanced manufacturing that exists in America, Japan or Europe.
We can certainly do maintenance here though.
And a world without America around to help out would be so radically different it is unimaginable. So we need to do what we must to make sure that does not happen.
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Neil, we are moving to Zero Net Carbon by 2050. Nuclear submarines are part of that transition.
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TailgunneR says:
September 18, 2021 at 10:23 am
Yarragrad Freedom Rally location has switched.
New location – Corner of Bridge Rd & Church St, Richmond.
150m from me lol
Trains terminate at Burnley from the east, but only 10 minute walk. Trams may run right to it, not sure?
Bring everyone
Last posting from TailgunneR. Arrested? Disappeared?!!
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It is difficult to imagine significant combat damage to the nuke systems of a submarine that wouldn’t cause her outright loss.
Modern anti-submarine weapons are vastly more effective than the depth charges and hedgehogs of WWII and much more likely to destroy submarines outright than damage them.
However, for general reactor maintenance/repair/refueling the US Navy has 2 sub tenders homeported in Guam capable of doing those tasks and more. They can position themselves wherever needed. For example, in WWII the remote submarine base established in Exmouth Gulf was served by the USS Pelias, a submarine tender.
Australia can always choose to develop those reactor servicing capabilities for herself once she gains the knowledge and experience with the systems to do so.
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Neil is competing with joe burns for the number of consecutive ducks.
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Good one, Axl. Very Alinsky.
Thanks, Top Ender, for explaining the topic in language that non-experts can understand. You clearly have no future in academia, though. 🙂
Meanwhile, the Danistan police union is boo-hooing about how difficult their job is, how nothing would have happened if only those pesky demonstrators had obeyed orders and stayed home, and how easy it is to mistake a bloke wearing three cameras and a large Press pass for a Nazi.
The MSM, till now indifferent to the fate of protesters beaten up by the cops, is suddenly putting on it’s furrowed brow and concerned voice identity. Beating up old ladies is one thing, but really, one of our own? That’s a bridge too far.
No comment on the poor woman who was hurled to the ground and sprayed, though. The spin doctors are still in conference about that one.
So, the cops are doubling down, saying that next time they will send in the clowns with all the sexy anti-personnel weapons they have been dying to try out on live targets. This is their version of winning the hearts and minds, strangely absent when BLM/Antifa are having a hoedown in the middle of town, or the offspring of the ruling clique are glueing themselves to roads and buildings to Save Da Planet.
What was interesting was that the union said that their members were unfairly copping the flak for Danno’s policies. Trouble in Paradise?
Watch out, Danno, I think your card has been marked.
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“”” As I pointed out before, you don’t seem to understand that a submarine is just a submarine. Some have nuclear engines. “”
BTW do you know what powers the Brits new Aircraft carriers?? Gas turbines.
Apparently the Brits looked at powering their new Aircraft carriers using a nuclear reactor like the Americans. They decided not to because they thought it would be too difficult for them so they went for a gas turbine power plant
So Britain is a country with a nuclear power industry and nuclear submarines but they thought putting a nuclear reactor into a ship would be too difficult for them. Turns out the gas turbine engine has some advantages over nuclear anyway
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What was interesting was that the union said that their members were unfairly copping the flak for Danno’s policies. Trouble in Paradise?
Watch out, Danno, I think your card has been marked.
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Not quite right, Barista. Here is what the Victorian Police Association rep actually said:
Mr Gatt said police officers on Saturday became scapegoats for aggression initially directed towards the state government over its COVID restrictions.
“Police have become the physical target for this violence, but they’re not the ideological target. Governments are the ideological target, yet it’s our members that become the punching bags for this,” he said.
Mr Gatt said while Victoria Police achieved its objective of stopping people travelling to the city, certain elements of the operation could have been better executed to keep officers safe.
“That’s something that we struggle with and it’s something that will challenge us, and in the days and hours ahead we’ll talk to Victoria Police about how we can do things better to make sure that that isn’t an outcome of future protester demonstration activity,” he said.
“When you have situations where large numbers of members have been injured, you’re duty-bound to look at that.”
So – Dan is in no danger – and Victorian police tactics will be the better for the experience.
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Top Ender says:
September 20, 2021 at 12:43 pm
Two good submarine decisions but we need to acquire nuclears now
By Top Ender”
Outstanding essay.
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The evidence of fraud in the Trump election is now over the Moon:
What’s Going On? Arizona Recently Processed 673,000 Voter Identities with the Social Security Administration – 58% Had NO MATCH FOUND (thegatewaypundit.com)
As I’ve said though the problem is, is there any method of recalling or otherwise rectifying the fraudulent old bastard POTUS now dribbling and sniffing in the WH? A good essay on possible legal avenues to turf him out is here:
Invalidating a Judgment for Fraud╦ and the Significance of Federal Rule 60(b) (duke.edu)
Basically a ruling, including an election result, can be overturned if the ruling/result was obtained by fraud. The issue is though, the demorats will not accept any such decision even if a court was brave enough to decide it and with the rats controlling both houses, fraudulently, I can’t see any peaceful way of obtaining justice.
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Why would anyone consider diesel subs in this day and age. Especially if they’ve got to be converted from a nuclear driven configuration.
Rhetorical question – Turnbull & Pissy Chryne
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Ignore Grigs and his socks.
I do.
Trickler, techno meets supermodels, here.
Bear (no reference intended :)) in mind that these girls had alimentary canals filled with pellets Living on coffee, booze, prescribed and non prescribed drugs and celery sticks …
The farts of a Supermodel would be majestic in terms of age of the source, could easily be a week old.
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If joe burns put as much effort into his batting as you do expounding anything but nuclear e.g. rubberbands he would still be in the Australian cricket team. But he’s not and never will be.
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“The farts of a Supermodel would be majestic in terms of age of the source, could easily be a week old.”
My farts can knock birds out of the sky and once emptied a public bar full of stockmen and miners.
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Union Members Protest CFMEU Union Boss Decision to Support Mandatory Vaccinations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV_5Fx-iw8o
Not many wallopers around.
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“” If joe burns put as much effort into his batting as you do expounding anything but nuclear e.g. rubberbands he would still be in the Australian cricket team. “””
Burns has a Test and First Class batting average of approx 38. Below average but there have been worse.
The Australian selectors agree with your opinion. Trouble is they tried, i don’t know, 3, 4 or maybe 5 alternatives and none of them did better than Joe Burns.
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Union Members Protest CFMEU Union Boss Decision to Support Mandatory Vaccinations
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John Setka you dog cvnt!
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Riot police move in to shut down protest; CFMEU says it ‘won’t be intimidated’
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≫The evidence of fraud in the Trump election is now over the Moon≪
Yup.
<a href=”https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/09/election-officials-dont-know-what-happened-15-j-christian-adams/”>Election Officials Don’t Know What Happened to 15 Million Mail Ballots in 2020 Election(/a> (17 Sep)
Fifteen million is the difference between what Obama got to win in 2012 and what Biden “got” in 2020.
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The fucking left always tear themselves apart. But the bastards tear everything else apart as well.
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The Age has lotsa free pix:
https://www.theage.com.au/national/australia-news-live-concerns-over-victoria-s-road-map-outdoor-restrictions-ease-for-south-west-sydney-20210920-p58t1l.html
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Oops, apology for the link typo. Here’s the link again:
<a href=”https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2021/09/election-officials-dont-know-what-happened-15-j-christian-adams/”>Election Officials Don’t Know What Happened to 15 Million Mail Ballots in 2020 Election</a> (17 Sep)
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Um, well, you get the idea… 😀
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“”” Huge crowd of union members and no cops. Maybe because there’s no 70-yr-old women in the crowd to bash. “”””
https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1439796532807565315?s=20
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Another (Aussie) nurse speaks up. No evidence it’s Convid, of course, could be any repsiratory infection but the point is there are two treatment protocols and those are made very high up.
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“once she gains”
Sorry, girls, when did the continent become a sheila?
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“We would have a much better chance of repairing a damaged diesel submarine during a war than a nuclear powered submarine. ”
How will you go repairing a SUNKEN diesel sub vs a non damaged nuke?
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