Open Thread – Tuesday 17 August 2021

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  1. Dot says:

    This belief that a vaccine can forestall death of the elderly is a new religion.

     

    But hey it’s an old religion. Welcome to Necromancy.

     

    All hail Lord Nagash!


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  2. Farmer Gez says:

    It means that Norway is treating covid as a normal part of life.

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    53% fully vaccinated as of two days ago.

    83% have had one jab and that’s only those over eighteen.

     

    It says to me that our 80% fully vaccinated targets are unnecessary and not supported by real data.

    The Doherty model is an educated guess at best. You can’t actually model people’s actions in society as they change with circumstance and need.
    The assumptions behind this model should be thoroughly scrutinised. This won’t happen of course.
    The Model is now the undeniable medical Quran of government.


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  3. mh says:

    NSW has seen 825 new cases, smashing its past daily record after the state was plunged into its harshest ever lockdown.

    Three people including a man in his 80s, a man in his 90s and a woman in her 90s have died.
    ***

    So those over the average age of death are dying. The Great Plague.


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  4. Dot says:

    David Elliot has a BA and Grad Dip in Public Policy – obtained before entering Duntroon.

     

    Then he got an MA in 1999.

     

    Captain months after his commission and specialist training? 🧐


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  5. Shy Ted says:

    calli says: August 21, 2021 at 9:26 am

     Like Incoherent Rambler, I find myself in a “mixed” marriage.  I will be barred from entering Queensland while he can go.  This has implications because holidays and family.

    Just talk at half-speed and say “eh” at the end of every sentence. They’ll never know the difference. Slower still the more North you go.


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  6. Ragu says:

    No doubt about it. Dave Elliot socks a lot of cock


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  7. Kneel says:

    <i>”…the only vaccine passport they [US] worry about is the one for overseas holidays.”</i>

    Except for New Yorker’s,  who need to present proof of vaccination to enter a bar, or a restaurant, or a concert, or a shopping centre  et al. Nor can the venue look the other way – failure of the venue to check is also an offense with a multi-thousand dollar fine. Nor can those with a medical reason for not getting the vax claim an exemption.

    California is doing the same, as well as DC and other left leaning strongholds.

    Of course, Floridians have it much better – vaccine passports are illegal, and mask mandates for schools are illegal, while schools there never closed.

    Texans are not quite at the level of Floridians, but also have laws against vaccine passports.

    Which may go some way to explaining the exodus from NY,  with the Gov considering buying up housing “on the cheap”, together  the massive influx to FL and the concomitant housing shortage and house price increase. And the unemployment levels in those states too – NY being about 3 times higher in unemployment than FL.

    What it doesn’t explain is why it’s racist to ask for ID when you want to vote, but perfectly fine to demand ID and personal medical information if you want to buy a meal – despite the fact that black people are massively underrepresented in the vaxxed stats.

    What it doesn’t explain is why we are following the NY protocols here rather than the FL ones, when NY is near the top in deaths/100k (2nd, IIRC), while FL is in the middle (25th IIRC), and our climate more closely matches FL than NY.

    “Get the vaccine to protect yourself and those you love” – sure, just ask the 50 TX reps who fled the state to prevent a quorum, and flew to DC. They were vaxed and got COVID, apparently on the flight. Or Gilbraltans, who despite being 99+% vaxed are seeing a surge of Delta variant cases – the same vaxes that will “get us out of it” here, where we have… a Delta outbreak. Ditto Israel (albeit, a lower vax level, but still >80% in adults).

    “There’s no treatments that work on Delta” – sure, ask India. That’s where that variant came from, and they seem to have smashed it pretty flat with “the treatment that shall not be named”, and are even talking about charging WHO people with a capital offense for misleading health information resulting in the deaths of thousands.

    None of this is secret, all of it is well disseminated on the net and easily verified. Yet other than perhaps Alan Jones on Sky, is completely ignored by the MSM. Instead, the MSM produce a mountain is fear porn, fail to fact-check the pollies and CHO’s, and fail to even ask any hard questions at all – questions like “Given a significant proportion of health care workers are vaccine hesitant, why have we not done an RCT on preventatives like IVM and HQC during the 18 months since this pandemic started?” and “Given the novel nature of the virus, why have there been no OCT trials of various anti-viral drugs to evaluate their effectiveness?”. Or even “Do you have any evidence that cloth face masks reduce the spread of this virus in asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic cases, and if not why are you mandating their use?” Or perhaps “Do you have any evidence that outdoor spread of COVID is other than minimal, and if not why are you mandating mask wearing outdoors?”

    I’ll tell ya why – journalism is dead. It’s all churnalism now. All fear porn and click-bait, no investigative journalism required or wanted – at least by the owners. Not until public opinion changes, which they know it won’t while they continue their click-bait “if it bleeds, it leads” fear porn. With a very few exceptions, mostly low volume news outlets like Epoch Times.


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  8. ikamatua says:

    The current ongoing slow motion train wreck lock down balls up, will pale in comparison to what’s coming fer yer when these same people seriously start transitioning us from the fossil fuels to useless, expensive, grid destroying electric vehicles.


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  9. Farmer Gez says:

    It’s a great day for TaliDan.

    Gets to lockdown all of Victoria and Gladys beats his daily record set last year.

    The only thing spreading faster than Covid is the breakdown of civil society into tribes of snarling dogs, cheered on by the government and public service elites.

    I’m generally disgusted with the base nature of many of our citizens and the sad fact they’re too selfish and venal to see what they’ve become.

     


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  10. mh says:

    NSW has seen 825 new cases, smashing its past daily record after the state was plunged into its harshest ever lockdown.
    ***
    Lockdown not working.
    Solution: MORE LOCKDOWN!


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  11. thefrollickingmole says:

    It misses one important point: “Meet the new Boss, same as the old Boss”.

     

    To be fair, I dont think he was speculating things were going to get better.

     

    How hard will the existing assholes cling to power?

    They have enough information to wreck anyone (think Google wont keep tabs on teenage search engine hits when the person becomes a pollie?) and are setting themselves up as being able to deny others the ability to access goods and services based on you not having the right opinions.

    Or at least making the right obeisances towards those opinions.

     

    Imagine if the Soviets had a google instead of having to rely on human interactions how much longer they could have wobbled on.

     

     

     


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  12. cohenite says:

    calli says:
    August 21, 2021 at 10:37 am

    Thanks TFM

    I find it very likely that most future historians will put the date of the real beginning of the collapse of the current political and geopolitical order right here, right now, at the US withdrawal from Afghanistan. 

    They won’t dare put it at the 3rd November, 2020 and the days thereafter.”

    As soon as the election was stolen the West was ended.


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  13. Top Ender says:

    Not sure how Elliot got a “Centenary Medal”….no-one offered me one.


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  14. cohenite says:

    “On 9 March 2020, the NSW Police announced an investigation into whether Elliott’s use of highly restricted firearms broke the law.”

     

    A highly restricted firearm these days could be a cap gun.


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  15. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Gladys: “you can pass Delta on even if you have no symptoms because Delta is different!”

    What I can’t understand is why no-one is challenging this bilge.  Surely, there’s someone out there with medical qualifications who can say: show us the evidence for this.

     


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  16. egg_ says:

    NSW has seen 825 new cases, smashing its past daily record after the state was plunged into its harshest ever lockdown.
    ***
    Lockdown not working.
    Solution: MORE LOCKDOWN!

    ___________________

    /The beatings will continue until morale improves!

     


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  17. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    TE, that article on Obama was well worth a read.


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  18. Cardimona says:

    I’m at the Cairns protests.

    About 250 here at present.

    I’ve just been heckling the ABC cameraman.

    Told him he works for Alinsky’s Bolshevik Collective.


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  19. Barking Toad says:

    825 new cases of influenza in NSW but lets call it covid


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  20. Dot says:

    *All the “Data” and “Studies” in the world don’t invalidate the fact that child sexual abuse is in the order of 90% unreported. *

     

    You are arguing with data with a fact you pulled out of your rear end. You’re just as bad as Figures or Bird.

     

    This is not unlike feminists make that 1/3 of all women have been “warped”.

     

    *Many have argued the only reason various components of the Church take such an interest in education is as a cover to assure a ready and renewable pool of victims.

     

    The local Catholic Church may as well rename itself AMBLA in line with the North American NAMBLA.*

     

    You’re also arguing anyone with children at all is a child abuser.

     

    You complete and utter loon. You are too stupid to vote or ever serve on a jury. I am sure you can make some hand signals to try to get off.

     

    Disgusting.


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  21. Runnybum says:

    I dunno why people are worried when we have such fine leaders in the English speaking world.

    Biden, Bojo, Trudeau, Morrison & Ardern, these are the 5 Eyes leaders.

    Should be renamed the 5 Arseholes.


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  22. Dot says:

    Piggy Elliot wiki updated. 😂🤣🤫


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  23. Dot says:

    *not unlike the argument feminists life forms make, rather poorly*


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  24. Roger says:

    “I find it very likely that most future historians will put the date of the real beginning of the collapse of the current political and geopolitical order right here, right now, at the US withdrawal from Afghanistan.”

    It’s convenient for historians to have specific events that we can pin a tag on, but the nature of the withdrawal from Afghanistan is a symptom of collapse rather than the beginning of it.

    The US has been white-anted over decades; the veneer of power, authority and at least a modicum of competence was there for a while but the substance had been consumed.

    The fall of Afghanistan is like someone taking a screwdriver to the rotten timber and stripping it away, revealing the decay within.

     

     

     


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  25. Farmer Gez says:

    The spirit of Peter Lalor lives on in Melbourne.

    I’m proud of them.


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  26. Zulu Kilo Two Alpha says:

    This one’s for aeronautical Cats…..From Michael Napier’s (excellent) book “In Cold War Skies: NATO and Soviet Air Power, 1949 – 89”

    “On 14th July, 1970, during Exercise Zeni – 70, a Polish MiG21, flown by Captain H. Osierda, intercepted a Czech Air FORCE Su-7: FORGETTING THAT HE WAS FLYING A LIVE ARMED AIRCRAFT,(my emphasis)  he fired a K-13 AAM which destroyed his target. Fortunately, the Czechoslovak pilot, Kapitain F. Kruzik ejected safely.  (Page 154.)


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  27. Kneel says:

    <i>”

    Biden, Bojo, Trudeau, Morrison & Ardern, these are the 5 Eyes leaders.

    Should be renamed the 5 Arseholes.”</i>

    The 5 Brown Eyes?


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  28. egg_ says:

    *not unlike the argument feminists life forms make, rather poorly*

    __________________

    Slime mould has 900 genders, apparently?

    We’re genetically traced back to mould as our origin?

     


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  29. Kneel says:

    <i>”…the veneer of power, authority and at least a modicum of competence was there for a while…”</i>

    NY Post: “Tragic mess in Afghanistan, a completely open and broken Border, crime at record levels, oil prices through the roof, inflation rising, and taken advantage of by the entire world—DO YOU MISS ME YET?” Trump said in a short emailed statement.

    Good question. isn’t it?


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  30. Zipster says:

    <blockquote>As soon as the election was stolen the West was ended.</blockquote>

     

    The left has nothing to offer ordinary people other than contempt in the guise of critical race theory, gender studies etc. In one very real sense they have failed because democracy was not going to give them power, so they cheated. They can get away with it as the bugmen class infest the institutions like the plague of locusts they are.

     


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  31. Kneel says:

    <i>”We’re genetically traced back to mould as our origin?”</i>

    Well, not penicillin apparently…


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  32. Speedbox says:

    egg_ says:
    August 21, 2021 at 10:15 am

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    At the moment, Scommo is toast at the next election.   He may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but he has some political instincts.   The Libs would already be doing private polling and he knows he’s in deep trouble with such a thin majority

    He will be praying for ~80%+ vaccinated by the end of the year, promises to re-open international borders in, say, January/February and the state premiers to play along and not shut state borders/lockdowns.   Plus, that Australian’s have memories like gold fish.

    He needs this to be just a bad memory.  He must call an election no later than July but that leaves him no ‘wiggle’ room and he will be wedged by Labor.   Notice how Labor are remarkably silent = small target.   Don’t interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes.


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  33. Dot says:

    David Elliot’s Page updated noting his slime mould DNA and his love of fascism.

     

    Some American CS grad is policing the page now.

     

    What a loser!


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  34. egg_ says:

    He must call an election no later than July but that leaves him no ‘wiggle’ room and he will be wedged by Labor.   Notice how Labor are remarkably silent = small target.   Don’t interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes.

    ________________

    I’m sure Labor are sharpening their spears as we speak.

    Bullsh1tten bashing Scummo on Insiders recently spoke volumes.

    Scummo trashed the Economy, hurt the little man, etc. I’m sure will be their catch cry.

     


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  35. cohenite says:

    Salty has a shot at hollywood scumbags who got political and supported biden, notably michael keaton who is now saying stars (sic) should not get political because they can cause damage; 8 minutes:

    Hollywood Perverts Now Want To Shut Up About Politics As Biden Implodes – SALTY (saltmustflow.com)


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  36. mh says:

    Police have arrested multiple protesters and deployed pepper spray in Melbourne as hundreds of people took to the streets to protest the state’s Covid-19 lockdown.

    The “Freedom Rally ” protest began at midday, with rallies also planned in every other state capital except for Hobart.

    Members of the majority maskless crowd chanted “sack Daniel Andrews” and “no more lockdown” while beating a gong and cheering.

    Some of the protesters held signs criticising the lockdown and various government decisions.

    One sign read “say no to the vaccine” while another read “no health advice, no compliance”.

    A heavy police presence was on Bourke St and around Parliament House, with officers stopping people as they walked across the road.

    Police have also blocked off some CBD roads.

    ***

    Anyone know where the Brisbane protest is?

    Im in the CBD right now.


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  37. calli says:

    He needs this to be just a bad memory.  He must call an election no later than July but that leaves him no ‘wiggle’ room and he will be wedged by Labor.   Notice how Labor are remarkably silent = small target.   Don’t interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes.

    The government made this a “crisis” so that they could “fix” it – all for political gain.  Labor leaders knew it and played along, incidentally increasing their powers to warlord status along the way.

    Now it has blown up like an exploding cigar – inevitable to any sentient being, but somehow eluding the Big Brains of the PM and NSW premier.

    So they have done the only thing that irreparably stupid people can do – they have doubled down, hoping for a mysterious circuit-breaker.  Something tells me the vaccines aren’t going to be it.

    Meanwhile, the dead tree Tele front page screams “LIGHTS OUT” as if the lights were actually on in the first place.


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  38. mh says:

    Avi Yemini

    @OzraeliAvi

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    Riot police now chasing THOUSANDS of lockdown protesters in Melbourne CBD. Minutes ago, police indiscriminately sprayed the crowd with pepper spray. Full exclusive report coming to http://RebelNews.com.au from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane. Because the MSM will lie.


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  39. srr says:

    “This is a MASSIVE turnout.

    Remember, Australia’s population is only 1/10th of America’s and on the same area, and by nature we are NOT the mobbing, rallying sort. We have to be REALLY PISSED OFF to turn out in these numbers UNDER THE THREAT of POLICE using FACIAL REGOGNITION, CCTV and more ID tech to ARREST US for daring to go out.

    Topher Field is live now. MELBOURNE, VICTORIA, AUSTRALIA
    52 mins ·
    Lol 5 lockdown protest.
    https://www.facebook.com/TopherField/videos/916571102266258/ “


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  40. Baba says:

    Meanwhile in Queensland:
    “The wife of mother of five Amy Schulkin, who has been missing for eight months, has written a heartfelt tribute 24 hours after her vehicle was found in waters off Sandstone Point.”


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  41. calli says:

    Labor leaders = Labor Premiers

    But you knew that.


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  42. Makka says:

    Why the Tali’s are trying to play nice?

     

    “Factbox: What are Afghanistan’s untapped minerals and resources?”

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/what-are-afghanistans-untapped-minerals-resources-2021-08-19/


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  43. Dot says:

    Hmm. I was too young, but I bet most people don’t know about this

     

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

     

    I guess George Bush the 1st actually was a war criminal?


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  44. HD says:

    Dot says:
    August 21, 2021 at 12:20 pm
    “You’re also arguing anyone with children at all is a child abuser.”

    I am unsure if any thought process was associated with anger to arrive at such an inference(?)

    “You complete and utter loon”

    Well thank you. Takes one to know one (?) We after all appear to live in a time where every glance and stare looking for reason and rationale  is met with nebulous lunacy abounds. Must have been the other week… “the rich became the beggars and fools became the wise”.

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    I do wonder if any currently or previously serving, Federal or State child protection Police are reading this. They will agree with generalised statements such as for every Catholic Church Brother or Priest they charge, there are about another nine they do not feel confident with evidence beyond reasonable doubt to do the same. For every charge laid there are about another nine charges there is not sufficient evidence likely to have a jury concur and agree to the guilt of an accused.

    Usually the reason why the relatively small number of criminal charges versus complaints is the difficulty in getting witnesses and/or vicitims willing to cooberate allegations. Mainly for fear of social and community repercussions in the form of labelling, stigma and ostracisation.


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  45. mh says:

    Craig Kelly MP

    @CraigKellyMP

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    1h

    They say there are no alternatives They LIE Aussies who get infected & are at risk of being hospitalised will now have access to NEW drug to prevent symptoms from worsening Provisional approval given for use of antibody treatment drug Sotrovimab


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  46. Rockdoctor says:

    Buttons don’t work. Tried to use HMTL but doing wierd stuff…

    That said, Cali spot on. Now they can’t fix it and the fact the MSM is never going to give Liberals a fair go they are packing darkies that it is about to backfire bigly on them.


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  47. egg_ says:

    Now they can’t fix it and the fact the MSM is never going to give Liberals a fair go they are packing darkies that it is about to backfire bigly on them.

    ________________________

    Time to trot out the dirt on Glad’s beau?

     


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  48. Dot says:

    *I do wonder if any currently or previously serving, Federal or State child protection Police are reading this. They will agree with generalised statements such as for every Catholic Church Brother or Priest they charge, there are about another nine they do not feel confident with evidence beyond reasonable doubt to do the same. For every charge laid there are about another nine charges there is not sufficient evidence likely to have a jury concur and agree to the guilt of an accused.*

     

    What a bigoted lunatic. You are literally making stuff up and have no other proof than…”quick, someone agree with me!”…

     

    No one will agree with you. There are retired and serving cops who comment here and NO ONE has supported your ridiculous, know nothing lies.

     

    There are now a growing number of Catholic priests who have been acquitted after police let some complainants habitually make false statements and perjured themselves. There was a recent case in Goulburn where an accuser made the false accusation against a priest who wasn’t at the school/camp at the time.

     

    That’s the *quality* of some of the “strongest” 10% of accusations – then we have a false accusation problem, not an abuse problem, dummy!

     

    John Cain III, Milligan, Kidd, Waller, Wallington, the perjuring ex cop DI Fox and “Jay” should be in the dock for their crimes.

     

    If less than all indictments lead to a conviction…(some are overturned) even with our now utterly ruined jury and evidence system, then the accusations the cops don’t bring forward are weak as piss.

     

    Unless you seriously believe in nonsense like “believe all women”, you imbecile.


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