Open Thread – Thursday 5 August 2021

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  1. Mother Lode says:

    Our geographic isolation has worked against us.

    Like overseas our leaders joined the chorus “Lockdown to flatten the curve!” And in these other countries they had quite a few hospitalisations and deaths that they all watched.

    Here there was a rather too conspicuous lack of people in hospital (or funeral homes) so they decided to base our risk assessments on numbers of cases and set the goal of zero transmissions – even though most cases are asymptomatic, and that is ignoring all the people who are likely covid positive but have not bothered to get tested because they feel fine.

    Overseas they are genuinely relieved at dips in hospitalisations, which are something that really resonates with people. Here it is just tests which is a tick in a box, and we are being encouraged to be afraid of abstract numbers.

    And this, of course, is why other countries are laughing at us.


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  2. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Thanks Mark for the pics – on the cats, I could be any one of them – and at any time😁


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  3. Not Uh oh says:

    For crying out loud, Sky News Morning Agenda, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid, covid. Probably all the way to Gladys’ presser. Cheap production costs but boring, boring, boring boring, boring.


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  4. Old School Conservative says:

    I’d marry and live happily ever after with any of those cartoon ladies in lame pics.

    I think my exposure to those pics in my callow youth may, just may, have influenced my current view of the ideal female form.


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  5. incoherent rambler says:

    wot twostix said.

    Neither Danodead or Gladbag are behaving like employees of the people.


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  6. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    Tom, thank you. I have to say I never look at Rowe, because he’s fixated like a few around here. But on the strength of a couple of ticks this morning, I’ve had a look. Yes, that it most definitely the best one, and is so, because it’s correct.


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  7. rosie says:

    MRna has been 20 30 years in development and has been successfully trialed for personalised cancer vaccines, an area in which it has enormous potential to save lives.

    There is no curious coincidence or sinister plot.

    Astrazeneca which used different biotech, is also used for ebola vaccines.
    Sinovaxx is a traditional vaccine.

    No surprise that pfizer is not as effective against delta, that just puts it in the same class as flu vaccines which have to modified for every flu season.

    2017 was a stand out for poor efficacy for the flu vaxx, 30 percent for one strain and only 10 for another.

    The real issue here is massive government overreach because of misuse of state of emergency powers.


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  8. Bar Beach Swimmer says:

    C.L. says:
    August 10, 2021 at 10:43 am
    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that

    Idiots R Us.


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  9. struth says:

    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?

    The idiots that believe government are either their parents or their priests.


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  10. candy says:

    The moment a man is run down by a car in Covid testing chaos
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    It might end up like that with a vaccinated person trying to nudge over an unvaccinated person with their car one day for being “non community minded”.

    I get the feeling the COVID vaccine wary are being cast as right wing extremist global warming denialists by the media.


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  11. thefrollickingmole says:

    And nothing of value was lost…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-10/violent-assault-that-led-to-kimberley-fatality/100357514
    The screams of two young women being assaulted in a crowded Kimberley caravan park went unanswered as they were bashed by a group of teenagers with a metal chair and had their vehicle taken.

    Key points:
    A group of teenagers who attacked two women in a Kimberley caravan park were later involved in a fatal accident
    The women say other campers were too frightened to help them
    One woman blacked out and was left bruised while the other has a scarred face and loose teeth
    Left bloodied, bruised and without their car, the pair later had to vacate a hospital treatment room to make way for children critically injured when the stolen vehicle crashed.

    One of them, a 12-year-old girl among them died in the accident.


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  12. Professor Higgins says:

    Knuckle Dragger says:

    August 10, 2021 at 9:40 am

    ‘If ASIO belonged to us’

    Yeah, good one Birdberg.

    Like you’re not an ASIO operative. Your entire shtick is false-flag entrapment.

    You’re not fooling anyone.

    Of course!
    It is so obvious when you think about it.
    Why would they allow such an intelligent and erudite thorn in the side of The Cabal like Bird to roam free for so long if he wasn’t an agent provocateur?
    He even playfully hinted at it above when he said Ron DeSantis was only allowed free rein because he is part of the swamp.
    Bird is a paid Rothschild beater to entice their enemies out into the open where Mossad can pick them off.


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  13. m0nty says:

    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?

    What I want to know is if this Byron Bay case doesn’t believe in the virus and isn’t cooperating with authorities, how did he get tested to get the positive in the first place? I guess he had to go to hospital due to symptoms and they tested him there?


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  14. Mother Lode says:

    BTW – a fine crop of posts today on the homepage.


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  15. caveman says:

    They locked down Cairns for 3 days 10 days after this guy was detected yet there are no positive cases.

    The delta variant is a dud!!!

    Crazy thing about that Cairns Cab driver,had 10 days incubation advantage he would have had passengers in his car with the aircon on recycle, windows up, as it’s hot and humid as all fuk up there, means that they would all be breathing in the same air and yet no further cases of this fast as lightening beast of a virus.


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  16. cohenite says:

    Thanks Tom, the US cartoonists are great, as is Leak; broelman and the other shit should be drowned in paint.

    Lame pics were good today with some lol moments. Also good to see Dilbert.

    Now I’m off to sue someone.


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  17. Roger says:

    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?

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    Modern education has relieved people of the ability or need to think for themselves.

    Most will happily do as their told until the penny finally drops, by which time it’ll probably be too late.


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  18. twostix says:

    notafan, your ability to mentally massage reality to always be coming up roses for you day by day is impressive.

    Insane, but impressive.


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  19. miltonf says:

    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?

    so fukin stoopid and/or their lives are so devoid of meaning that they need some excitement.


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  20. twostix says:

    mRNA poster child and perpetual loser Moderna couldn’t get a single one of its mRNA biotech experimental ‘platforms’ through clinical trials anywhere in the world for any real diseases for over a decade.

    So in 2018-2019, quickly becoming a laughing stock they pivoted to pharma’s used-car equivalent gutter market: vaccines. Easy approvals, low barrier to entry, low profit and low risk…. “Hey, at least we’ll get something to market“….and still couldn’t get approval anywhere.

    Until suddenly, surprise, approval for everyone!

    Except they still need to run trials on babies and children. And they want to do it in Australia. But other than that little missing piece, mRNA is proven safe and effective with over zero years of success at anything.


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  21. Kev says:

    Speedbox says:
    August 9, 2021 at 4:25 pm

    In Brisbane I’ve been waiting for my local servo to drop from 1.37 before I filled up my 160 li tank……

    Do you have an original XY Ford GT? They had a 36 gallon (162L) tank.

    No mate, a 2001 P38 Range Rover with a long range tank fitted.


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  22. twostix says:

    mRNA is the renewables of pharma.

    All promises, but only able to come to market with massive corrupt government help, money and quasi-mandates inside of a contrived ‘crises’.


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  23. rosie says:

    Making allegations of this and that about the vaccines is a waste of time.

    The issue here is government.

    The ldp is running with the perfectly reasonable ‘opportunity to vaccinate, set a date’.

    Everything else is a waste of time; especially coming from all the resident medical experts that don’t have any medical qualifications at all.

    All you have is whine and winge, how about another spray about coffee clubbing ladies in white capris?

    You could print a leaflet about them and letterbox your local community about the real enemy.


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  24. Kev says:

    Thanks JC.
    An almost 40c rise in one hit always makes me wonder how they can justify it. In conversations with Servo owners they say competition between local traders also has an impact. They sell low to get people in the door to buy groceries where the profit margins are greater but then are forced to raise fuel prices just to pay for the fuel.


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  25. calli says:

    C.L. says:
    August 10, 2021 at 10:43 am
    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?

    Some may have no choice. No negative test, no work. A three or seven day rotation.

    NSW testing rules


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  26. miltonf says:

    Just saw that link Calli- the NSW lieboral mis government is even more of an abomination than I imagined.


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  27. mh says:

    Craig Kelly MP
    @CraigKellyMP
    ·
    1h
    SHAME @GladysB SHAME

    You’re destroying businesses in my Hughes electorate & across greater Sydney

    You’re destroying livelihoods

    You’re destroying our mental health

    You’re destroying the economy

    You’re destroying NSW

    Time to go !!

    Time to resign !!
    ***
    And lockdowns and face nappies don’t work.
    Just sayin’.


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  28. calli says:

    And now they are making vaccination mandatory for tradies in SW Sydney who wish to continue working on sites outside their areas.

    Meanwhile a story on last night’s news had brick production shut down. Kilns, which are continuously fired up, slowly wound down. In construction, momentum is everything. Normal production will be back in around four months’ time if lockdowns and other b/s ceases completely by end August. That’s right. Next year.


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  29. egg_ says:

    Making allegations of this and that about the vaccines is a waste of time.

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    Notaflu trying to control the narrative?


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  30. lotocoti says:

    Sis is waiting for a negative result from today’s test to end the 14 day house arrest on Thursday for flying to Cairns in July.


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  31. mh says:

    Worst day EVAH! People in their eighties die!

    ‘None of the three local deaths, a man and woman in their 80s and a man in his 70s, were vaccinated. The fourth death was a returned traveller in his 80s who died in hospital after being transported from quarantine.’


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  32. egg_ says:

    Everything else is a waste of time; especially coming from all the resident medical experts that don’t have any medical qualifications at all.

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    Who was the (Muslim) Sydney female Neurosurgeon who told the National Cabinet via videoconference that she was “terrified” of the virus?
    The impetus for lockdowns.

    Horses for courses – we don’t need lab coats at the helm, thanks.

    /Standing on chairs


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  33. rickw says:

    Some may have no choice. No negative test, no work. A three or seven day rotation.

    Correct, disgusting, reverse burden of proof.


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  34. Gab says:

    ”C.L. says:
    August 10, 2021 at 10:43 am
    Why do people who aren’t sick line up for hours to be ‘tested’?
    What sort of an idiot even thinks of doing that?”

    Politicians, the media and most Victorians.


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  35. Old bloke says:

    H B Bear says:
    August 10, 2021 at 10:13 am

    Another day of wheelchair lotto commutes for the daily coffee in Perth. BOM radar doesn’t help much as it always looks the same. Just fire it up and head off in hope. Only caught out once so far which isn’t bad for this back to the 70s Perth winter.

    It’s been a bloody miserable winter in Perth, it’s rained every day for the past 43 years, 17 months and 62 days. Cold and windy too, where is my global warming?

    Dam levels are up 21% on last year –
    https://www.watercorporation.com.au/Our-water/Rainfall-and-dams/Dam-levels


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  36. It's Remarkable says:

    You know censorship is rife when a simple question posted on the Australian Covid live feed comments area asking about what treatments are given to positive cases, never appears.
    I mean people with this deadly virus should be given some kind of treatment should they not?
    No, just go home until you get better or worse and need hospitalisation. What treatment is given in hospital?
    Nup, comment censored.


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  37. rickw says:

    Sis is waiting for a negative result from today’s test to end the 14 day house arrest on Thursday for flying to Cairns in July.

    The People getting a great lesson in how many inalienable rights they have in Australia.


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  38. C.L. says:

    MRna has been 20 30 years in development and has been successfully trialed for personalised cancer vaccines, an area in which it has enormous potential to save lives.

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    Sincere thanks too for the fetuses killed to help make it all happen.

    Totally normal times we live in.

    People being injected with a partially holocaust-derived drug counting themselves amongst the virtuous.


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  39. calli says:

    It’s important to examine the pros and cons with the different treatments, AKA vaccines. So far, because others have done the hard yards researching, we know a great deal more than most people.

    Obviously some if the claims and counterclaims are complete nonsense. Some are in the grey area of possibility, while a lot has been borne out by events. News from Israel is not good if you’re looking to a vaccine for enduring protection, even short term protection.

    What I foresee, should really large outbreaks occur here amongst the fully vaccinated, and perhaps deaths, is the demonisation of the unvaccinated as “carriers”, even though it has been proved that the fully vaccinated are capable of carrying high viral loads. Thus is how hysteria has worked in the past, and I see no reason why it will be any different now.


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  40. calli says:

    Cut it out with the Jew-bashing, Bird.

    It’s ridiculous.


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  41. egg_ says:

    Sydney neurologist Dr Kate Ahmad has slammed a letter from the Catholic Medical Association that asks members to support a bill that seeks to resuscitate fetuses

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    Natch


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  42. twostix says:

    Notafan, you’ll forgive me for not listening to someone who has been 100% wrong about everything since February 2020, about what is and isn’t a waste of time to talk about.

    Especially someone who got the vaccine, months ago when they were telling you it was 98% effective, and now it’s down as low as 34% (Israel’s data). You argued that case here for months that we were wrong and “science!” and “trials” were right.

    Now the reality comes in and it’s, “guys let’s just talk about something else”.

    No. While only 19% of the population have been dumb enough to line up for it, let’s talk about that very important thing right now.

    1. The vaccines don’t work anywhere near as promised (if at all for more than a few months).
    2. The companies have lied – as always.
    3. The TGA didn’t ever see the raw data – so lied when they said how ‘thorough’ they were being.
    4. The government is lying right now when it says 80% take up will be the end of this. Everyone already fully well knows that Israel, Iceland and Gibraltar, the UK and US are right now grappling with “outbreaks” amongst fully “jabbed” populations. That the vaccines are Tamiflu all over again. But here the government and it’s tamed media are overtly refusing to talk third shots and fourth shots and no protection from catching and transmitting it in Australia because they know it will ‘damage the uptake’.

    Get that? The government and media are willing to pursue a strategy to carry on a lie to the entire population about these vaccines – denying the population the clear view of what’s happening in the world in places that are our exact future in six months (60% uptake, etc), ‘for our own good’ – in their own minds, because the reality doesn’t match their ideology and ‘roadmap’.

    That’s a pretty dark place.


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  43. C.L. says:

    Please nobody quote the Vatican.

    I know.

    Its statement asserts – correctly – that given the remoteness of individuals’ culpability in a foundational medical evil, the evil is diluted (but not neutralised) and therefore a great good can be done for a greater number.

    That is all very well but…

    The earlier 2005 statement on vaccines and fetal cell lines – promulgated on the authority of Benedict XVI (an actual intellectual giant) – also made clear that use of these tainted vaccines MUST be redeemed by three things: 1) the pharmacuetical companies must acknowledge their wrongdoing; 2) they must never use abortion-acquired tissue and cells ever again; and 3) they MUST bring to market wholly ethical alternatives.

    So… when your Catholic friend tells you the vaccines are all good in the Church’s eyes, be aware that this is not true.

    The usage of them has been sanctioned only according to strict and hitherto completely ignored conditions.


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  44. rickw says:

    What I foresee, should really large outbreaks occur here amongst the fully vaccinated, and perhaps deaths, is the demonisation of the unvaccinated as “carriers”, even though it has been proved that the fully vaccinated are capable of carrying high viral loads. Thus is how hysteria has worked in the past, and I see no reason why it will be any different now.

    I think you are right. Society already has the demonstrated mental incapacity to make such false connections. eg. In The Australian Mind, gun owners are fully responsible for Gun Massacres despite not one ever being carried out by an atypical gun owner.

    The Australian Mind is filled with woolly thinking.


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  45. calli says:

    Take it over to one of those neo-Nazi sites that everyone worries so much about. They’ll love you there.

    Or to m0nty’s – he needs some punching exercise.


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  46. rosie says:

    CL.

    Is there any evidence babies were killed for the purposes of the development of mRna technology?

    My understanding is mRna vaccines are not tainted by abortion, while astrazeneca is linked to a Dutch abortion of a baby girl in 1973


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  47. Carpe Jugulum says:

    I’ll get the Karcher

    Lot of birdpoo around the place.


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  48. Ragu says:

    And now they are making vaccination mandatory for tradies in SW Sydney who wish to continue working on sites outside their areas.

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    Sceptics may think that that is an attempt to ‘get’ that Aussie Cossack fella on the youtubes for making fools of the constabulary


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  49. calli says:

    Its statement asserts – correctly – that given the remoteness of individuals’ culpability in a foundational medical evil, the evil is diluted (but not neutralised) and therefore a great good can be done for a greater number.

    How very Miltonian.

    O goodness infinite, Goodness immense!
    That all this good of evil shall produce,
    And evil turn to good; more wonderful
    Than that which creation first brought forth
    Light out of Darkness!

    Always conveniently forgotten is that redemption comes at a terrible cost.


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  50. rickw says:

    That’s a pretty dark place.

    There’s definitely a Hitlers Bunker scene in how Aus Gov / Aus Health / Aus Media / Aus Police are conducting themselves.

    The facts aren’t anywhere near the narrative and they’re increasingly losing their shit as this becomes more apparent and the culpability of their decisions are laid bare.


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  51. rosie says:

    Mrna

    The church addressed the issue of foetal cell lines being used in vaccines long before covid vaccines came along.

    If it’s a live issue it is no different to some of the child vaccines either.

    https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/you-asked-we-answered-do-the-covid-19-vaccines-contain-aborted-fetal-cells


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