Open Thread – Monday 13 September 2021

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  1. The Sheriff says:

    If Dutton has managed to tear up the ridiculous Pyne-Class bathtub contract with France, he will forever be remembered as a Churchillian hero of the 21st century.


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  2. Top Ender says:

    Minnesota’s Supreme Court has overturned the murder conviction of rookie Minneapolis cop Mohamed Noor on a legal technicality and ordered his sentence to be reduced, four years after he shot dead Australian-American woman Justine Damond outside her home. 

    The court upheld Noor’s manslaughter conviction and ordered him to be resentenced, agreeing with his attorneys on a technicality that the specific wording of the ‘depraved mind’ murder charge he was convicted of.  

    He is currently two years into a 12.5 year sentence. It’s unclear how much his sentence will be lowered by, but it is likely to be less than the ten years he was facing. 

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9994221/Minnesota-court-orders-former-officer-resentenced-Australian-womans-shooting-death.html 


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  3. Top Ender says:

    The Prime Minister is set to make an urgent announcement on Thursday morning about a major international security initiative to counter the rise of China.\

     

    After a series of secret late-night briefings, Scott Morrison is poised to divulge details on the future of the submarine program amid reports Australia will make the switch to nuclear-powered subs with help from the UK and US.

     

    The new partnership between the long-time allies is also being announced by US President Joe Biden at 5pm local time.

     

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9993745/Scott-Morrison-make-urgent-announcement-major-international-security-issue-involving-UK.html


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  4. Top Ender says:

    Interesting….posted a section of the story about new deal and possible nukes, and for the first time it said my comment was in moderation. Trying now with the link only:

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9993745/Scott-Morrison-make-urgent-announcement-major-international-security-issue-involving-UK.html


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  5. Top Ender says:

    Worked….hmmm


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  6. johanna johanna says:

    It just gets worse …

     

    ”
    Pfizer and BioNTech are set to seek U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval in November for their Chinese coronavirus vaccine to use in children between 6 months and 5 years old.
    During the Morgan Stanley Global Virtual Healthcare Conference on Tuesday, Pfizer Inc. Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President of Global Supply Frank A. D’Amelio said the company is currently conducting Phase 3 studies for children between the ages of 6 months and 11 years old.

    “Now we expect to have safety and immunogenicity data for children between ages of 5 and 11, we expect to have that data by the end of September, and then we would expect to file that with the FDA in early October for a potential EUA,” D’Amelio said, according to a conference transcript.”

    ****************************************************

    Coming soon – approval being sought for intra-uterine injections of pregnant women.

     


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  7. johanna johanna says:

    Scrollin’ scrollin’ scrollin’, scrollin’ scrollin’ scrollin’, scrollin’ scrollin’ scrollin’ – Rawhide!


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  8. johanna johanna says:

    Scrolling past the internet equivalent of scabies reminded me of this cheery piece of cultural appropriation.

     

    McRawhide. Keep them beasties movin’

     

    🙂

     

     


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  9. PeterM says:

    Sorry Johanna – accidentally flagged one of your comments


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  10. johanna johanna says:

    No wukkers – our screener knows full well how easy it is to hit the wrong button.

    Been thinking about the latest Woodward revelations about how Milley is supposed to have rung up the ChiComs and said he’d warn them in case of a strike.

    Firstly, Woodward is a serial liar for whom insignificance is his definition of Hell.

    Secondly, that kind of bald statement is not how these people talk to each other.

    That said, it would not surprise me if Milley and his ilk had back channels to the ChiComs. As for undermining Trump, those traitorous creeps would do it in a heartbeat, and did.

     


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  11. Knuckle Dragger says:

    Thor.

    You have quite a few high-falutin’ theories for a bloke without a job.


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  12. Eyrie says:

    So Rosie, Dr Ryan Cole who runs a pathology lab tells what he is seeing in what is coming through his lab and you post a bullshit article full of smears and innuendo.

    lets look at the headings

    vaccine safety

    There has been no long term testing. lack of evidence is not evidence of lack

    FAIL

    Treatments, vaccines can both be approved

    True but the vaccine cannot be approved under an EUA in the US if reasonable treatments exist.

    FAIL

    Not enough data on Ivermectin

    LOL, it has been used for decades and there is treatment data from numerous doctors who have used it successfully for Covid-19.

    FAIL

    Overstating effect of Vitamin D

    It is low Vitamin D that is the problem. The Swedes test for Vitamin D levels routinely. Cole is saying in northern latitudes you’ll need supplements to keep it up in winter.

    FAIL

    Rosie, you’ll believe anything to convince yourself that taking the clot shot was the right things to do. Be careful you don’t buy any bargain bridges.

     

     


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  13. rosie says:

    Lol.

    He made the claim in March  any follow up,  anyone done some research to see if the claim is valid?

    Every one of these ‘medical experts’ claims a novel major health issue is caused by the virus,  female infertility,   male infertility, mini clots etc etc but none of them seem to talk to the others or follow up with proper research papers supporting their findings despite ample opportunity to do so.

     

    Meanwhile the usual suspects swallow every pronouncement whole.

    Eg Dr I treated President Trump and Rudi Guliani for covid despite both men’s covid treatment being a matter of public record.

    You believe whatever you want, despite all evidence to the contrary and  gaping holes in the narratives.

    It’s all about your feelz.

     


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  14. Eyrie says:

    “So this is how you run a moon shot.  Instead of testing the actual vehicle on earth you test an easier to fly vehicle and that fails.  So no problem.  Take the top heavy vehicle without testing it,  and invent a story about Armstrong almost dying when they tried this vehicle in near earth orbit.  No pressure.  Take it too the moon.  All the way to the moon with a vehicle (you said) had been tested unsuccessfully in near earth orbit.”

    Bird, your brain is so scrambled.

    My post re the video TG linked was not for you but for the sensible people who might be taken in by the video, at least somewhat. I merely pointed out the things the fool who made it got verifiably wrong.

    The LLTV (Lunar Landing Training Vehicle) was an entirely different vehicle from the Grumman LM. The LLTV had a jet engine on a gimbal to always point straight down to counteract 5/6 of its weight with attitude and other rockets to simulate the lunar landing final phase. Neil Armstrong didn’t nearly die  in low Earth orbit, he ejected from the LLTV in Houston on the airfield and successfully parachuted down.

    Plenty of video of that event.

    The LM was very successfully tested in LEO on Apollo 9. You can look up what they did or look at the Tom Hanks produced series From The Earth to the Moon. Episode 5 “Spider” shows you that.

     


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  15. Eyrie says:

    There’s a SpaceX launch with crew this morning. Private mission. 3 days in Earth orbit.

    No doubt Bird will tell us how this is all staged.


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  16. Eyrie says:

    Rosie, I showed how your “fact check” was complete bullshit.

    Dr Cole isn’t the only one seeing bad effects but seeing as governments have got on board the “vaccine” bandwagon they sure as hell aren’t going to have their official institutions look for problems. They set up Ivermectin and HCQ trials to deliberately fail and ruthlessly suppress any other views.

    Haven’t you figured out yet that this is a political vaccine to give the impression that governments are competent and doing all they can? They only care about getting re-elected. They don’t care if they injure or kill you. It is of utterly no concern to them.

    Too bad you got fooled.

     


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  17. HD says:

    Eyrie says:
    September 16, 2021 at 6:54 am

    That fact check Rosie posted earlier-  I thought was in the spirit of sarcasm.  It was pretty bad. I feel sorry for Science teachers having to suffer kids that read this misinformation. I feel likewise sorry for English teachers, having to correct the  deranged interpretations of language relied upon therein and  departure from critical thinking.

    The Author has no idea how to reference specific points for that matter.  If somebody’s brain legitimately functioned in the manner of the writer, they would be unable to match up the male and female bits on lego blocks.  I.e. rather severe intellectual disability. The author defines the term “fucktard”.


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  18. Eyrie says:

    From Steve Kates’s blog

    https://lawofmarkets.com/2021/09/15/no-one-knows-why-vaxxinations-are-being-so-strongly-pursued-by-governments/#comments

    According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, you’re not counted as fully vaccinated until a full 14 days have passed since your second injection in the case of Pfizer or Moderna, or 14 days after your first dose of Janssen, despite the fact that over 80% of deaths after the vaccines occur in this window. How convenient.
    Anyone who dies within the first 14 days post-injection is counted as an unvaccinated death. Not only does this inaccurately inflate the unvaccinated death toll, but it also hides the real dangers of the COVID shots, as the vast majority of deaths from these shots occur within the first two weeks.
    The CDC also has two different sets of testing guidelines — one for vaccinated patients and another for the unvaccinated. If you’re unvaccinated, CDC guidance says to use a cycle threshold (CT) of 40, known to result in false positives. If you’re vaccinated, they recommend using a CT of 28 or less, which minimizes the risk of false positives.
    The CDC also hides vaccine failures and props up the “pandemic of the unvaccinated” narrative by only counting breakthrough cases that result in hospitalization or death.
    Hospitals are still also reporting non-COVID related illnesses as COVID-19.

     

    Still think this is all above board?


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  19. rosie says:

    ‘You showed’

     

    What with your meticulously conduced research on the subject?

     

    No you just swallowed whole a statement made by a dermotopathologist in March that has never had a follow up by him, or anyone else.


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  20. Steve trickler says:

    Got anymore Facebook fact checking websites you want to post, Rosie?

     

     


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  21. rosie says:

    5.7 million jabs and no-one else has noticed.

    Amazing.


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  22. Knuckle Dragger says:

    For Neil:

    Joe Burns update, and on the subject of potential greatness:

    Opened the batting for Northern Suburbs against Ipswich in Brisvegas Premier Cricket.

    Caught and bowled. 0. Balls faced – 2.


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  23. Ragu says:

    LOL indeed. Rosie gets her arse defiled and handed to her on Newvaxxally and thinks it’s OK to come here and try it on, again.


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  24. Eyrie says:

    Just because you were weak minded enough to swallow the government lies, rosie, doesn’t mean we all are. The “fact check” article was utter bullshit. I make no judgement on Dr Ryan Cole except to observe “what’s in it for him?”. There’s certainly lots in it for those pushing the bullshit vaccines. Tens or maybe hundreds of billions of dollars for a start. Amazing how some people’s conscience can be bought.


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  25. jo says:

    I waved back Rosie then I realised you were drowning.


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  26. rosie says:

    That’s right Ragu, I’ve abandoned Dovers because wrong.

    Aren’t you the guy that couldn’t read a couple of straight forward graphs and when your error was pointed out quietly disappeared.

    Tell us more about your insights into covid in Israel and how the vaccines don’t work, both of you.

     


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  27. Ragu says:

    Get real. Posting a graph without evidence is exactly what your accusing others of doing. If you weren’t manically posting any old shit you would have noticed one side was saying ’30x less likely to be hospitalised’ and the other ’27x more likely’. So it was perfectly reasonable to ask to see the paper, NOT press release it is from. Stick to hanging out on twitter, it’s around your level of intellect.


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  28. Ruprecht Ruprecht says:

    Ragu, what were you saying the other day about posters saying nasty things to you?


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  29. rosie says:

    Twitter might mostly be a lefties cesspool but there are decent conservatives, all it requires is being selective about who you follow.

     

    I also posted a long piece by a data scientist on the Israeli  data a couple of days ago.

    You must have missed that.

    Here have another article.

     

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-israel-s-17-unvaccinated-now-account-for-65-of-all-serious-covid-19-cases-1.10208784


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  30. Top Ender says:

    12 Virginia-class nuclears now!

     

    By Top Ender (article as published some time back in several journals)

     

    This article was written for the general public, to urge the average reader to think “nuclear submarine”, and therefore puts the subject matter simply.

     

     

    Our submarine acquisition program has spent several billion dollars and not seen a metre of steel cut yet. That’s not a bad thing. Abandon the project now, and buy 12 Virginia-class nuclear vessels from the USA.

     

    With regional tensions increasing, then building our own one-off type submarines which will arrive in the early 2030’s is not good enough. We have no guarantee they will work.

     

    When we built the Collins class submarines (at exorbitant expense) they did not work properly for several years. It is only now – after decades of operation – that they are reasonably functional.

     

    Submarines are the ultimate deterrent and attack weapon: their location is hopefully unknown, and they can strike at targets without warning. But we need to expand beyond the capabilities of the Collins, and also the French Attack boats which we should abandon.

     

    Instead we should buy 12 of a proven design which is already in the water. We want long-range hunter-killer vessels. We also want them to be able to stay submerged for long periods to avoid detection. Nuclear does this in spades. The propulsion system also offers tremendous speed underwater – much more than does diesel-electric systems. This is an attack advantage.

     

    What problems would there be in acquiring nuclear-engined submarines from the USA? Using American technology is not as difficult as might be thought. The Americans facilitated the British Navy’s entry into nuclear boats – a submarine is called a boat – back in the 1960s. The Royal Navy’s HMS Dreadnought was launched in 1960, five years after the US Navy’s first nuclear, USS Nautilus. Its propulsion system was American.

     

    The Virginia class is a proven vessel. They are designed by General Dynamics’s Electric Boat and Huntington Ingalls Industries, and are expected to be within the US Navy until 2060. Nineteen have been completed so far.

    The Virginia-class would be a step up for us: they are a bigger vessel, and would require more crew. But if the relationship with the USA was deepened by purchase of such vessels, why not, with America’s permission, embark on a campaign to bring some US submariners down under?

     

    The step-up in requirements also comes with a twin reward of unlimited endurance and range at sea. The nuclear engine can provide the ability to stay submerged and at sea indefinitely, as its never-ending supply of electricity means the boat can stay down rather than surface or snorkel to obtain air for engine and crew requirements. The range too is theoretically unlimited, for again the nuclear electricity can drive the vessel for decades. But the nuclear engines also provide very high speed of movement – ideal for pursuing targets or for getting into position for a firing solution ahead of them.

     

    The main obstacles in the way of acquiring Virginia-class seem to have been man-made and somewhat specious. Critics argue that we would need a “nuclear industry”. What this is exactly never seems to be made clear. The nuclear engines of such boats are a sealed unit. The US Navy maintains four of its own nuclear vessels in Guam, showing that the maintenance needed is no more than the usual requirements for hull, living and weapon systems – which we do anyway for the Collins-class. Anything needed on the nuclear engines could be done by sailing a vessel temporarily back to the USA. The nuclear original fuel of each vessel will anyway last the life of the boat.

     

    Another objection is that Australians don’t want nuclear power, and therefore nuclear-powered naval vessels. But no extensive national poll seems to have been done on this question, and indeed in 2014, in a series of public meetings known as “Guarding Against Uncertainty: Australian Attitudes to Defence” nuclear submarines were continually raised positively by members of the public. It seems more that the two main sides of politics fear some slippage of their vote if they introduced it as policy. And in fact Australia has had a nuclear reactor operating in a Sydney suburb since 1958 at Lucas Heights.

     

    Another objection is that the Americans would not “sell” Australia such nuclear technology. I can’t see why not – it is now over half a century old, and many countries apart from the USA operate small nuclear reactors in driving submarines: Britain, France, India, China, USSR, with Brazil currently developing the technology. How such systems work is hardly a secret. And it is likely the USA would want to assist its biggest Pacific partner to become more capable. The Virginia-class is indeed more powerful in areas outside its basic submarine capabilities: it fires both Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles, as well as launching torpedoes and mines.

     

    The Tomahawk is a land-attack weapon, and with its long-range is an extremely capable stand-off weapon – more capable than anything else in the Australian Defence Force arsenal. Australia has crept towards such capabilities over the last few years, but 12 sets of Tomahawks – the Virginia Block V boats carry 40 – would massively increase Australia’s attack capacity – and therefore its deterrence – capability. In other words, we would become a lot more scary – a good thing – for “if you want peace, then prepare for war”. By being very strong we may indeed deter potential enemies from being engaged in battle against us.

     

    As can be seen, the Virginia-class would present a lot of advantages for Australia. Ironically, such an improvement in our defence systems would also be cheaper than what we are preparing to spend on the French submarines. $80-$100 billion has been much talked about, for vessels which would arrive in the early 2030’s onwards. The cost of the Virginias is said to be around $3-4 billion a boat – a total cost of around half of the present proposition. And it would give us a weapons platform that would work – rather than one which is an unknown voyage into an uncertain future.

     

    The Americans have a useful expression for such an outline as given above. It’s called a “no-brainer”. It means this solution is so obvious and simple and straightforward it’s obvious. But why not add something else that we may gain. With the American’s designer’s permission, build our own Virginia class boats number 9-12 under licence. Even if the USA supplied the complete engine package, that would represent another remarkable step-up for this country. As the Americans also say: “don’t ask, don’t get.”

     

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    Top Ender was a naval officer, primarily an intelligence analyst, for nearly 20 years. He is a military historian whose latest books include Atomic Salvation – “how the A-Bombs saved the lives of 30 million”, and Teddy Sheean VC, an analysis of the delayed award of a Victoria Cross to Australia’s only naval VC hero – both Big Sky Publishing. Some years ago his analysis of the combat action which sank the submarine I-124 – still lying outside Darwin with its 80 crew entombed – was published by Avonmore.


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  31. Timothy Neilson says:

     

    “…none of them seem to talk to the others or follow up with proper research papers supporting their findings .”

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    How is a doctor in private practice working for a living going to do a proper research paper? Where will the money come from? How do they find the time?

    Where are they going to get the full test group/control group data of sufficient magnitude to stop people like you dismissing them with a fact-free logic-free sneer?

    Anecdotal evidence from treating practitioners is the start. That’s how Thalidomide was first identified as a problem. But then someone else needs to fund the study. Big pharma didn’t fund Dr McBride. It took a long time for someone in Germany to get together the necessary proof. That may happen here eventually if the treating doctors’ concerns are valid, but it’s just meaningless to sneer just because there hasn’t yet, in the few months this has been going on, been a “research paper”.

    Tell me who’s going to fund it. The vast majority of research funding in medicine comes from the originators. Tell me why they’re going to fund a research paper to prove that their products are defective. If not them, who?


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  32. mh says:

    Victoria records 514 new local virus cases
    Rosie, do something useful and stop your fellow Vics looking at the sunset.


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  33. Eyrie says:

    Yep, torture the data until it says what you want it to. Allegedly.


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  34. mh says:

    Just call him arsehole

    The Post Millennial
    @TPostMillennial
    Did Biden forget the Australian Prime Minister’s name?
    https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1438252682079350785?s=20


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  35. rosie says:

    In other words Timothy these are meaningless anecdotes.

    It may well be a sneer, but I’m sick of people making claims about this and that then, nothing.

    Dr Ryan Cole btw is a dermatopathologist. He doesn’t see patients but examines skin samples sent to him by treating physicians in a pathology lab he owns.

    If there were an increase in cancer diagnosis in Idaho by March wouldn’t they have continued to increase as more people got vaccinated?

    Six months and 5.7 billion doses later, and numerous opportunities for others, including numerous cancer research facilities to review and find some evidence and yet nothing.

    The only issue I’ve seen identified is people not getting regular health screenings and unrelated to covid vaccines cancers being missed.

     

    As for William McBride. I believe it was him prescribing the thalidomide and it was one of his nurses who noticed a correlation between the birth defects and the medication and brought it to his attention.

    Is there any evidence that the response by the medical community at the time was to flatly deny his allegations? Which is about the only response I see to Dr Cole’s claims.

     

     

     


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  36. TailgunneR says:

    https://twitter.com/PapiTrumpo/status/1438177939061882890?s=19

    Fortification, confirmed.

    Watch the numbers at the bottom of the screen.

    2020 all over again.

     


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  37. Siltstone says:

    Top Ender proven totally right about Dud Subs. Good work.


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  38. rosie says:

    Or take raw data and make claims about that.

    Your choice.


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  39. Top Ender says:

    Imagine being one of those several hundred staff in France now.

    Quell horreur!


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  40. Top Ender says:

    Developing submarine “plans”, that is.


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  41. cohenite says:

    The Sheriff says:
    September 16, 2021 at 2:45 am

    If Dutton has managed to tear up the ridiculous Pyne-Class bathtub contract with France, he will forever be remembered as a Churchillian hero of the 21st century.

    Correct. Dutton has buried turdball and chrissy. Dutton is one reason to stick with the libs; now he has to fire every senior officer responsible for the outrages against BRS and the SAS.


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  42. mh says:

    Nicki Minaj

    @NICKIMINAJ

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    Right. I can’t speak to, agree with, even look at someone from a particular political party. Ppl aren’t human any more. If you’re black & a Democrat tells u to shove marbles up ur ass, you simply have to. If another party tells u to look out for that bus, stand there & get hit

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    hasanabi

    @hasanthehun

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    Replying to @NICKIMINAJ
    you know he’s a white nationalist right?


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