The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Since the 7 October 2023 attack by Hamas – from Gaza into Israel – we have been following the events and posting findings on this blog. There have been updates to the attack and then the war in Gaza, as well as details related to the history of the conflict. We have managed to share content on this subject from a wide range of sources, media outlets and platforms.

The information on the blog is spread across several threads and the Search feature is basic. I thought it may help to have all the material we have posted so far, in a centralised location. This would make it a little easier for anyone interested in the topic, or looking for information connected to this conflict to find it. So I am adding this new thread which will contain links to other threads which are related to this conflict.


3 November 2023
Documentary: The Mystery of Israel – Solved!

28 December 2023
Bethlehem Nativity: Christ Under the Rubble

2 January 2024
10 Questions and Answers About Gaza

25 February 2024
Lenten Reflection on Gaza by Revd Munther Isaac

9 March 2024
More Insights From Pastor Isaac on Palestine and the Gaza War

Open Threads

As the Open Threads are open to any topic, you will need to scroll through the pages to find the comments which relate to this crisis, including: the Hamas attack, the history and origins of the conflict, the Israeli occupation and the war in Gaza.

Open Thread – October 2023

Open Thread – November 2023

Open Thread – December 2023

Open Thread – January 2024

Open Thread – February 2024

Open Thread – March 2024

Open Thread – April 2024

Open Thread – May 2024

There will be more information added in the comments section of this thread.
If there are new threads on the topic, the links will be added here.

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96 Responses to The Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

  1. mh says:

    Who is this for?

    There are only two of us here.

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  2. kaysee kaysee says:

    I don’t work for some media company which has huge archives of published info which they can refer to, plus an editorial team, proof readers, fact checkers, legal experts. Or get paid for it. Like everyone reading this, I have a device (computer), internet access, a browser and a search engine. And Twitter which is free to anyone who wants to join. That’s all. But I go digging down rabbit holes looking for info and facts. What I have been learning and posting, could be done by anyone.

    I have no personal connection or stake in Palestine or its people. But in the past seven months, I have learnt a great deal. In the past week, I’ve done a small amount of research on one major component, and I am angry. How much more should the people who have lived in that region, been displaced, had their lands stolen from them, been treated as less than human, injured, wounded, killed, called the villains by the real criminals and then been depicted as uncouth, uncivilised, terrorists, savages, thugs?

    And how many sitting in nice comfy western safe zones have bought the lies for decades and even now, with the facts freely available, still continue to buy the Zionist fabrications?

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  3. kaysee kaysee says:

    Check this first:

    ‘There’s Never Been A Country Or State Called Palestine’:
    DeSantis Rips Pro-Palestinian Protesters

    More here.

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  4. kaysee kaysee says:

    I will begin the comments on this thread with the subject of “Palestine”. I’ve heard the pro Zionist campers say that there has been no country or state called Palestine.

    Does truth matter to you, and are you prepared to read the details? If yes, come along with me. What I am posting here is from my simple internet research, as mentioned in the comment above. I am not an authority or expert. I have time limitations and am busy with other personal issues. But I have the desire for the truth, the wish to learn, and then to pass it on. I am providing as many links as possible by way of validation. If you have evidence to refute anything posted here, please do so. If the facts prove me wrong, I have no problem with admitting it and learning what is the truth.

    If there has been no such state or country or region called “Palestine”, or if the inhabitants of this territory were illegals, nomads or barbarians, how do we explain any of this?

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  5. kaysee kaysee says:



    The map of Palestine was published by National Geographic magazine in 1947, a year before the Nakba.

    But the Zionists call it Palestinian Propaganda.

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  6. kaysee kaysee says:

    A Survey of Palestine

    This survey is in a document which is 539 pages prepared between December 1945–January 1946, for the information of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry. You don’t need to read the entire document; just a quick scroll through would be informative.

    To make it easier, I am posting a few pages as images.
    Cover Page
    The document is named: A Survey of Palestine.
    For the information of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry.

    Printed by the Government Printer, Palestine.
    Page 2
    There is a stamp to show that the online copy was made from the American Jewish Committee Library

    Why did no one from the Anglo-American Committee object to references of “Palestine”, “Government of Palestine” if these were errors? Documents were printed on the Government Printer, in Palestine.

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  7. kaysee kaysee says:


    Letter from JVW Shaw,
    the Chief Secretary to the Government of Palestine.

    Table of Contents – pg 1

    Table of Contents – pg 2

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  8. kaysee kaysee says:


    The first page of Chapter IV
    The Central Government and its Finances

    The first sentence
    The organic law establishing the constitution of Palestine is the Palestine Orders in Council 1922-1940 ……..

    A table on Jewish Immigration

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  9. kaysee kaysee says:

    From the same survey but posted by Al Jazeera.
    Jewish immigration to Palestine

    Posted on twitter with this comment.
    Here this is my family members birth certificate. It’s just before Nakba. This is not AI.

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  10. mh says:

    ‘There’s Never Been A Country Or State Called Palestine’:
    DeSantis Rips Pro-Palestinian Protesters

    Ron is controlled by his donors who are Jewish, and ferocious Zionists.

    Same with Trump.

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  11. kaysee kaysee says:


    Letter From President Roosevelt to King Ibn Saud,
    April 5, 1945

    The letter contains 3 references to “Palestine” and 2 to the words “that country” including this:

    I have received the communication which Your Majesty sent me under date of March 10, 1945, in which you refer to the question of Palestine and to the continuing interest of the Arabs in current developments affecting that country.

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  12. kaysee kaysee says:


    Letter from President Roosevelt to Chancellor Adolf Hitler
    asking him not to attack the independent nation of Palestine.
    April 1939

    This is the relevant portion which is in the last para of pg4 carrying over into the first para of pg5 of the letter.

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  13. kaysee kaysee says:


    John F Kennedy’s 1939 Letter to His Father After Visiting Palestine

    JFK wrote a letter to his father in 1939 after a visit to Palestine. He gives an outline of the historical situation and his experience there:

    Read the letter.
    And his observations in the final paragraph:

    The sympathy of the people on the spot seems to be with the Arabs. This is not only because the Jews have had, at least some of their leaders, an unfortunately arrogant, uncompromising attitude, but they feel that after all, the country has been Arabic for the last few hundred years, and they naturally feel sympathic. After all, Palestine was hardly Britain’s to give away.

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  14. kaysee kaysee says:


    Balfour Declaration 1917

    “His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

    Interview with Jacob Rothschild
    Discussing the Balfour Declaration.

    JFK’s letter to his father (comment above), he says with reference to this Declaration:
    After all, Palestine was hardly Britain’s to give away.

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  15. kaysee kaysee says:


    Article in the New York Times
    20 June 1899

    Conference of Zionists
    Will Colonize Palestine

    Digitized version

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  16. kaysee kaysee says:


    The story of American Palestine, a land of corn and soybeans in the US

    On the outskirts of the US State of Illinois, close to the border with Indiana, lies the small and sleepy village of Palestine, where “everybody knows everybody.”…

    French explorer Jean Lamotte named the region in Illinois Palestine in 1678, as it reminded him of the “land of milk and honey” — a reference to the State of Palestine in the Southern Levant region of West Asia.

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  17. kaysee kaysee says:

    I decided to post this section on “Palestine” in reverse chronology as it seemed to better to roll it backwards from 1947 going back to 1678, rather than tracking forwards from 1678 and then coming up to 1947.

    There are more links available, but time does not permit me to explore further on this.

    I have a bit more to add related to this section – will do it tomorrow.

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  18. kaysee kaysee says:

    To complete this section on “Palestine”, a brief look at what life was like in this country – through photos and descriptions – pre-Nakba (1948).

    Palestinian society
    There are five photos – scroll through

    District of Gaza
    looked like this

    What Was Palestine Before the Nakba?

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  19. kaysee kaysee says:

    The photo archive bringing pre-Nakba Jerusalem alive

    Against Erasure:
    A Photographic Memory of Palestine Before the Nakba

    Through its stunning collection of images of Palestine in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Against Erasure tells the story of a land full of people—people with families, hopes, dreams, and a deep connection to their home—before Israel’s establishment in 1948, known to Palestinians as the Nakba, or “catastrophe.”

    Denying Palestinian existence has been a fundamental premise of Zionism, which has sought not only to hide this existence but also to erase its memory. But existence leaves traces, and the imprint of the Palestine that was remains, even in the absence of those expelled from their lands. It appears in the ruins of a village whose name no longer appears in the maps, in the drawing of a lost landscape, in the lyrics of a song, or in the photographs from a family album.

    For this launch event, Mohammed El-Kurd and Nadi Abusaada will discuss the Palestine depicted in these breathtaking photos, and how their existence is a testament not to nostalgia, but to the power of resistance.

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  20. kaysee kaysee says:

    My Palestinian parents were made refugees in 1948.
    This is what they taught me more than 60 years ago

    My parents were Palestinian refugees who managed to rent an apartment in the city of Nazareth after their village, Ma’Alool, 10 miles to the west, was destroyed by the advancing Israeli army in 1948.


    From the above article, this photo:
    A view of Nazareth in the 1920s.

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  21. kaysee kaysee says:

    From the river to the sea

    Imagine for a few minutes that the university student protests were about Black Lives Matter.

    There is a group of BLM students sitting on uni campuses in Australia (and the West) with BLM flags and signs saying Black Lives Matter and chanting slogans. Another group sits a short distance away with signs that say White Lives Matter and repeat their slogans.

    The students in the BLM group complain to uni authorities and media that they feel threatened by the actions of the White Lives Matter group. They have also seen a few Nazi salutes being sent in their direction. They demand protection from uni authorities. They appear on ABC shows and complain about how unsafe the campus is for black students. How the behaviour and actions of those in the opposite protest group makes them feel terrified. They can provide some emotional stories of how some white person approached them and started bullying them.

    How would conservatives and the right wing react to this? Well-deserved ridicule and mockery. Commentators and writers in a certain media group would be talking about free speech and the rights of all to protest. They would sneer at the need for “safe spaces” for one group of students who felt scared because of some words, phrases or signs.

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  22. kaysee kaysee says:

    Zionist students in western countries like Australia are claiming they feel threatened by slogans (from the river to the sea) and gestures (Nazi salute). That same media group which had no sympathy for a woke group of students, is now running regular bulletins on how universities and their campuses have become unsafe, frightening places for Zionist students and professors.

    There are Zionist students and faculty, along with influential Zionist organisations, criticising the government for not doing enough to protect these vulnerable, defenceless, innocent Zionists from anti Semitism.

    If students or faculty have proof of physical violence or intimidation or doxxing, by all means report it because that shouldn’t be permitted. But Zionists in western unis claiming anti-Semitism and fear due to slogans and gestures?

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  23. kaysee kaysee says:

    We have parts of the Western world, including in universities, that are not safe for Zionist students? They are in fear for their lives?

    Now, we’ll take a look at current university life in Gaza.

    The destruction of Gaza’s universities

    During the current war, twelve of the sixteen university and higher education campuses in Gaza have been severely or moderately damaged. At least four have been completely destroyed. None of Gaza’s 88,000 university students have been able to attend classes since the war began….

    Destroyed in January, Al-Israa University was the last standing university in Gaza

    Israa University in Gaza was built in 2014, and at the time of its destruction its main building had been occupied and converted to military barracks by the IDF for 70 days. It was also used as a detention center and a base for snipers to shoot civilians.

    Two days ago,
    Israeli soldiers set fire Aqsa University’s library in Gaza City and took pictures of themselves in front of the flames.

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  24. kaysee kaysee says:

    Since we are on about student protests in the West, the links above are just examples about the destruction of universities in Gaza. Universities have been destroyed. Students cannot attend classes.

    I have not included what has been done to hospitals, homes, churches, mosques, office buildings and other infrastructure. The area is being bombed. They don’t have homes, food, medicines, the basics of life.

    Let’s talk about Rafah.
    I have seen videos and photos of parents in Rafah carrying the badly burnt, disfigured bodies of their dying children as they rush about for help. I have seen pictures of the charred bodies of children on hospital beds awaiting treatment. The images are gruesome. I haven’t posted any because they are horrifying. What about the reality? I cannot imagine what physical pain these children are enduring, their fear, or the agony of their parents watching them helplessly.

    Tell me again about these Zionist students in western universities petrified by some slogans which they conveniently want to interpret as life-threatening?

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  25. kaysee kaysee says:

    The Zionists want to make everything about themselves and their victim hood. Anything that doesn’t fit in with their plan is antisemitic or a threat to destroy Israel.

    There is no problem with the phrase From the river to the sea if used by Zionists, but it becomes antisemitic, and interpreted as the elimination of Israel, only if non-Zionists use it.

    From the Jewish Virtual Library, the Likud Party’s Original Party Platform
    This isn’t a threat to Palestinians?
    An elimination of Palestine?

    Netanyahu’s son can say From the river to the sea but Palestinians can’t.
    No offence caused in this case?

    Riyad Monsour, The Palestinian Ambassador to the United Nations:
    “For all those outraged by the slogan ‘from the river to the sea,’ this is the map that the Israeli Prime Minister raised here at the United Nations….erasing the nation of Palestine and the Palestinian people.

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  26. kaysee kaysee says:

    Zionists do not want a two-state solution. They want the area from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean sea to be completely Zion land. If Palestinians say the same, it is made out to be a threat. It may well be that the meaning depends on who says it and how they say it. But to decide that one side can say it without penalties and the other side is censured, shows us that this is all set up to achieve a system that will favour Israel and cause destroy Palestine.

    For many Palestinians who have been oppressed and enslaved, this phrase is a cry for freedom and equality.

    ‘From The River To The Sea’ Doesn’t Mean What You Think It Means

    In other words, after 1948, Palestinians were not able to live with full freedom and dignity anywhere in their homeland.

    That’s how the call for a free Palestine “from the river to the sea” gained traction in the 1960s. It was part of a larger call to see a secular democratic state established in all of historic Palestine. Palestinians hoped their state would be free from oppression of all sorts, from Israeli as well as from Arab regimes.

    The ‘River to the Sea’ Rorschach test

    So in a way the current controversy mirrors the findings of Young and her colleagues: Whereas many Palestinians see “from the river to the sea” as an expression of their concern for fellow Palestinians, many Israeli Jews and pro-Israel Americans see it as an expression of hostility toward Israeli Jews.

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  27. kaysee kaysee says:

    It’s Time to Confront Israel’s Version of “From the River to the Sea”

    The crowning irony regarding claims about the hatefulness of such a phrase—one university administrator described it as “genocidal”—is that this idea is far more than a simple slogan where Israel is concerned. Rather, it captures the reality Israel has imposed on Palestine since 1967. Israel controls all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, an area that for all intents and purposes constitutes a single state under a single security regime and a single sovereignty.

    The story behind ‘From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free’

    “It is a shorthand for declaring that wherever Palestinians live in historical Palestine, whether citizens of Israel or residents of occupied territories, they suffer from some form of oppression, and this must end,” says an expert on human rights in the Middle East,

    The slogan essentially expresses the desire for a unified Palestine state stretching from the River Jordan to the Mediterranean Sea.

    The non Zionist Jewish Council of Australia

    In our interpretation, and as it’s explained by Palestinian people the world over, ‘From the River to the Sea’ is a call for freedom and equality for all people, Jewish and Palestinian.

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  28. kaysee kaysee says:

    Zionist – ‘River to the Sea’ – supporters.
    If only they would put their own country first.

    David Littleproud
    Littleproud calls on Anthony Albanese to ‘expel’ Labor senator Fatima Payman
    for ‘River to the Sea’ comments
    Geert Wilders
    criminalizes slogan ‘From the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free’

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  29. kaysee kaysee says:

    Mediator: Folke Bernadotte

    Why has it not been possible to arrive at a peaceful solution to this conflict?
    Is it possible that one side is actively seeking to block any attempt to have this crisis resolved? Even to the point of murder?

    Here is the story behind one mediator: Folke Bernadotte

    From Wikipedia

    Folke Bernadotte, Count of Wisborg (2 January 1895 – 17 September 1948) was a Swedish nobleman and diplomat. In World War II he negotiated the release of about 450 Danish Jews and 30,550 non-Jewish prisoners from many nations from the Nazi German Theresienstadt concentration camp. They were released on 14 April 1945. In 1945 he received a German surrender offer from Heinrich Himmler, though the offer was ultimately rejected by the allies.

    After the war, Bernadotte was unanimously chosen to be the United Nations Security Council mediator in the Arab–Israeli conflict of 1947–1948. He was assassinated in Jerusalem in 1948 by the paramilitary Zionist group Lehi while pursuing his official duties. Upon his death, Ralph Bunche took up his work at the UN, successfully mediating the 1949 Armistice Agreements between Israel and Egypt.

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  30. kaysee kaysee says:

    A Mideast Mediator’s Murder in Palestine 1948

    On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization.

    Count Bernadotte’s presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.

    In this capacity, he succeeded in achieving an initial truce during the 1948 Arab–Israeli War and laid the groundwork for the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.


    #NAKBA 71
    Doesn’t sounds like an acceptable plan if it seeks justice for both sides.

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  31. kaysee kaysee says:

    More Info
    Folke Bernadotte, First UN Mediator, Assassinated on This Day in 1948

    After his initial proposal based on the Plan did not gain wide acceptance by the sides concerned, Bernadotte produced a revised proposal. He was assassinated by members of the Jewish paramilitary group Lehi (“The Stern Gang”) on 17 September 1948 before he could present it….


    Short clip

    This is not even a secret. He was assassinated by a Zionist group in 1948. They didn’t just drive away and kill Palestinians, they murdered a UN diplomat.

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  32. kaysee kaysee says:

    7 October 2023

    Zionists and their supporters will justify the current genocide by saying it was started by Hamas on October 7. That Israel has a right to defend itself. That it was a massacre. That Hamas should have released the hostages. That the war is just to get rid of Hamas.

    Their supporters are buying that – that under the “Hamas” excuse the innocent are being killed, injured, displaced and Gaza is being razed to the ground. There actually are western Zionist supporters saying these things happen during a war. Wonder if they will say that if one of their own was involved. Or if it was the other way around and the Israelis civilians got killed.

    The media shock-horror over stories that on October 7 babies were beheaded and there was mass rape carried out by Hamas. That the rules of war regarding innocent civilians are being ignored by Israel. That’s okay too.

    Whenever there is outrage over a bombing, like the one yesterday, simply call it a tragic mistake, and move on to the next bombing.

    After all, Hamas (and their Palestinian supporters) started it on October 7.

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  33. kaysee kaysee says:


    It did not begin on October 7. It did not begin with Hamas.
    It began long, long before Hamas was formed.

    I posted comments yesterday about Folke Bernadotte, a diplomat, who had negotiated the release of prisoners (Jews and non Jews) from a concentration camp. He understood both sides – Arabs and Israelis – and was in the best position to formulate a plan to resolve the issue. But was assassinated by the Zionists, who, 76 years ago, did not want a peaceful solution.

    If there was truly a desire for peace, this conflict would have been resolved, in 1948, with both sides expected to honour the terms. So, which side didn’t want the peace?

    It did not begin on October 7.
    It began 76 years ago. Or earlier.
    Before Hamas.

    October 7? No.

    What about October 7th?
    Once he’s completed the forward count, he needs to start backwards – for 76 years.

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  34. kaysee kaysee says:

    More on October 7

    I am posting this video again. All the lies Israel had spread . The world believed the lies about decapitated babies but turning a blind eye away from the actual footage of decapitated babies from Rafah. Share this video again and again . Remind them with the lies that allowed this to happen

    We’re told that Israel has a right to defend itself.
    UN expert:
    Israel does not have the right to self-defense on land it occupies

    Still prefer to think that it all started on October 7, and Israel has the right to defend itself? It is not a genocide because Israel is only targetting evil Hamas?

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  35. kaysee kaysee says:

    Before proceeding further, let’s take up Hamas, its existence and how it grew into a powerful organisation.

    I have already posted on this in the Open Thread.
    Here and 3 comments starting here.
    A total of 8 links to information about the role of Israel in the rise of Hamas.

    The comments so far have provided background information – about the history of Palestine, the phrase “from the river to the sea”, the attempts for peace, October 7 and Hamas. The attacks and escalations are moving at such a rapid pace it is hard to keep posting in some historical chronology.

    From here on, I’ll move back and forth (past, present, latest) with articles, videos, clips and any other information. I already have saved links and, daily, there are more that get added. I’ll post and share as much as I can.

    Anyone wanting to add to the comments is welcome to do so.

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  36. kaysee kaysee says:

    I’ve heard there’s going to be a doco, this evening, on television called Never Again. Has anyone informed Netanyahu that Australians are saying Never Again?

    It’s not that kind of Never Again?
    I’ve misunderstood?

    “Never Again: the fight against antisemitism.”
    The promo says:
    With antisemitism dangerously on the rise and Australian values under daily attack, it’s a call for our leaders to take urgent action before it’s too late.

    So Never Again.
    Never Again.
    Never Again.

    It is still about only one group of people in the world that matters to the exclusion of others? Only one group of people being persecuted on the whole planet?

    Never mind the genocide in Gaza*. It is about Zionists, the Holocaust and the anti-Semitism in Australia. Anti-Semitism as defined by the latest definition by Zionists.

    (*Records as of 7 October 2023 -13 May 2024: Day 220)

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  37. kaysee kaysee says:

    Never Again for Anyone

    Never Again for Anyone challenges the misuse of the Nazi genocide of Jews (“The Holocaust”) for political purposes….The Zionist exploitation of this genocide to justify colonization, displacement and apartheid in Palestine is a dishonor to those who survived and those who did not. The refrain “Never Again” must mean “Never Again, for Anyone!”

    Hajo Meyer-1
    Never Again for Anyone.

    Never Again For Anyone Tour: “Dr. Hajo Meyer of the Netherlands will address the misuse of the Holocaust to justify Israel’s apartheid policies in “Never Again for Anyone.”

    Hajo Meyer-2
    Holocaust survivor 1924-2014

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  38. kaysee kaysee says:

    During his career in politics, Josh Frydenberg rose to be the deputy PM and Treasurer. Had he won the last election, he may well have been the current Opposition Leader, and possibly the Prime Minister of Australia, at the next federal election.

    But he is not doing too badly in his present job, in the private sector, with a senior role at an investment bank. He will be earning the very big bucks to go with that job.

    On the other hand, right now, the average Aussie is worried about the cost of living and paying the mortgage/rent, grocery bills, medical bills and other bills.

    Along with other pollies, Julia Gillard has also joined in to let us know that

    ….many young Australians have ill-­informed and unbalanced views about the Israel-Hamas conflict because social media has exploited their lack of knowledge about the history of Israel….

    “I think a lot of what is going on today is a distortion of history from social media. It’s a misunderstanding about how Israel came into existence. It’s a misunderstanding about the nature of the conflict.

    As Ms Gillard warns about the need to educate young people better on Israel, …….

    Ms Gillard will be pleased to know that, here on this blog, we have heard her warning and are trying to use this platform to educate others by giving them the facts about this war. Not the brainwashing in the MSM, not the biased fake news, just the facts.

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  39. kaysee kaysee says:

    Heard this since October?
    The Gaza massacre could have been avoided if Hamas had released the hostages.
    Is it the truth?

    Times of Israel
    ‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum

    What was the atmosphere like?

    “We left the meeting very disappointed because Netanyahu talked about dismantling Hamas as the goal of the war. He didn’t promise anything regarding the demand to return the hostages. He merely said a military operation in Gaza was needed to serve as leverage for the hostages’ release.

    “We later found out that Hamas had offered on October 9 or 10 to release all the civilian hostages in exchange for the IDF not entering the Strip, but the government rejected the offer.”

    Ceasefire deals

    Israel has rejected ELEVEN deals to get the hostages back.

    When our politicians say it will end as soon as the hostages are returned, they lie.

    October 7 is the excuse.
    1980s, Israel
    Netanyahu in the 80’s brags about how the Jewish lobby controls America.

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  40. kaysee kaysee says:

    Yoav Gallant

    “A Palestinian state will never be established”
    These are the words of Yoav Gallant, Israel’s Defence Minister, in a secret recording revealed by Israel’s Kan 11 news channel.

    Chris Hedges
    Israel’s Lebensraum master plan for Gaza

    Israel-Gaza War

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  41. kaysee kaysee says:

    When they are caught out and there is outrage from the international community, they say: “Tragic Mistake”. Bombing and killing innocent civilians is a mere mistake. Not a crime. A mistake.

    This week’s massacre
    Netanyahu Hypocrisy Exposed
    In English: Rafah Massacre Was A ‘Tragic Mistake’
    In Hebrew: Calls For Final Solution Until Extermination Is Complete

    It is no secret
    Israelis ADMIT To War Crimes, Call For Genocide

    Just another mistake.

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  42. kaysee kaysee says:

    How the IDF propaganda machine works.
    They have a Consultant of Psychological Operations on Social Media account to help brainwash the public that Hamas was responsible for the attack.

    It works well because the lies are repeated all over the media, on sites and blogs. I heard it on talkback radio this week: Hamas did it. Even after Netanyahu admits it was the IDF, the friends of Zion will say: Hamas did it.

    Audio recording-Part 1
    In efforts to hide their atrocities, Israel doctored the audio recording and audio recording, & forgot to remove the watermark

    Audio recording-Part 2

    IDF PsyOp

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  43. kaysee kaysee says:

    Another example of how the psyopping works.

    This week, before the massacre, the use of another story to help the cause.

    After the massacre, can’t show that. So the Tingle story.

    Two days later, a suitable angle is found.
    Never mind the dead civilians.

    Violence is not acceptable and should not be condoned. But note the difference here.

    In one case, graffiti that calls for death is used to highlight an issue and the perpetrator. Suits the narrative.

    In the other case, the action of violent killing of innocent civilians does not suit the narrative. Instead the virtue of an (insincere) apology that was made due to international pressure is used. The agony and suffering of the innocent civilians is ignored.

    These are not two isolated toons from the same paper. There is a pattern to them. There is a classic one from earlier this month that I shall come back to another day.

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  44. kaysee kaysee says:

    According to the definition, they must be:


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  45. kaysee kaysee says:

    Abby Martin
    in Joe Rogan interview

    Robert Martin
    Documenting crimes against Palestinians

    Thomas Gould
    Irish politician’s speech in Parliament

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  46. kaysee kaysee says:

    This was posted by mh in the May thread. Reposting here because it is a good video where Mearsheimer provides a detailed explanation of what is really going on with this war.

    Why Israel is in deep trouble:
    John Mearsheimer with Tom Switzer

    John Mearsheimer:What exactly are Israel’s goals here?
    He goes on to list the goals according to the MSM vs the real goals.

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  47. kaysee kaysee says:

    There is much said about the Zionist lobby in the US.
    What about Australia?

    I came across the following this week:
    Bob Carr’s book

    Dual Loyalty
    Australian Jewish Military Service in the Australian Military versus the IDF

    Maher Mughrabi
    Foreign Editor for The Age & The Sydney Morning Herald

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  48. kaysee kaysee says:


    The Antisemitism Awareness Act bars the teaching of modern Jewish history
    How Israel twists antisemitism claims to project its own crimes onto Palestinians
    Aryeh Neier

    His family survived the Holocaust.
    He founded Human Rights Watch.
    He directed the ACLU.

    Now he’s saying Israel is engaged in genocide against Palestinians in Gaza.

    He also addresses the abuse of the term “antisemitism”

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  49. kaysee kaysee says:

    Fiona Lali interviews last month
    I thought she was a student, but she is running as an Independent candidate in London.

    Suella Braverman-1

    Suella Braverman-2


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  50. kaysee kaysee says:

    May 8, 2024
    Corporate media’s complicity in Gaza genocide:
    with Max Blumenthal

    Since October 7th, the corporate media has done its best to mask Israel’s genocide. These stories have not been innocent mistakes or, at best, biased reporting on past events. They have been powerful weapons in the hands of the Israeli army, strategically used in critical moments as complements to military moves.

    Few independent journalists have tried to debunk these stories and unmask this genocidal war for what it is. The Grayzone is one such organization, and Max Blumenthal is one of the examples of such journalists.

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  51. mh says:

    kaysee says:
    June 2, 2024 at 4:33 pm
    There is much said about the Zionist lobby in the US.
    What about Australia?

    Good stuff.

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  52. kaysee kaysee says:

    Zionists and media control

    It is not enough that they own the majority of the media, they go further than that.


    Fake social media accounts

    As above fake media accounts

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  53. kaysee kaysee says:


    Grass-roots online movements

    Israeli hasbara/information warfare

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  54. kaysee kaysee says:

    The ‘Hasbara Handbook’

    Example of Hasbara Handbook

    The cycle

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  55. kaysee kaysee says:

    19 November 2023
    Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival

    An Israeli police investigation into the Hamas attack on the Nova music festival near the Gaza border on 7 October revealed that an Israeli attack helicopter killed some of the attendees, Haaretz reported on 18 November…

    The Israeli military and rescue services previously claimed that 260 Israelis were killed at the festival, all by Hamas and Palestinians in a deliberate massacre. But this is the first acknowledgement that Israeli forces killed some of their own.

    22 April 2024
    Independent review panel releases final report on UNRWA

    An independent panel released its much-awaited report on Monday about the UN relief agency for Palestine refugees (UNRWA), providing 50 recommendations and noting that Israeli authorities have yet to provide proof of their claims that UN staff are involved with terrorist organisations.

    “Israel made public claims that a significant number of UNRWA employees are members of terrorist organisations. However, Israel has yet to provide supporting evidence of this,” according to the 54-page final report, Independent review of mechanisms and procedures to ensure adherence by UNRWA to the humanitarian principle of neutrality.

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  56. kaysee kaysee says:

    October 7
    Reckoning: Israel and Gaza

    Ten days before Oct. 7th — and again three days before — Egypt’s intelligence officials repeatedly warned the Israeli government of an impending attack from Hamas.

    NY Times
    May 2024
    Israel shut down Al Jazeera and raided its offices.
    Did their journalism not comply with the agenda?
    October 7 Exposed

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  57. kaysee kaysee says:

    This story from the past few hours:

    U.S. provided support to Israeli forces in rescue of 4 hostages in Gaza
    (My emphasis below)

    The United States provided support to the successful Israeli security forces raid that rescued four living hostages from captivity in Gaza on Saturday, two U.S. officials confirmed to CBS News. The U.S. military did not participate in the operation, a U.S. official said.

    In a statement issued by the White House, National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan congratulated Israeli security forces on the successful operation….

    Successful? In rescuing 4 Israeli hostages, at least 210 innocent Palestinians – men, women and children – were killed and several wounded. This is called “success”?



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  58. kaysee kaysee says:

    Semites and Semitism


    From Britannica

    Semite, name given in the 19th century to a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages spoken primarily in parts of western Asia and Africa. The term therefore came to include Arabs, Akkadians, Canaanites, Hebrews, some Ethiopians (including the Amhara and the Tigrayans), and Aramaean tribes.

    Anti-Palestinians are anti-Semitic as well, do your homework!

    Palestinians are anti-Semitic as well, do your homework!
    If anti-Zionists are anti-Semitic, then anti-Palestinians are anti-Semitic as well, yes it is not new information, and yet it is shocking and surprising right!. So no more bullsh*t.

    This was posted by mh in the Open Thread. Reposting here:

    How Israeli Prime Ministers Changed Their Names to Sound More Middle Eastern

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  59. kaysee kaysee says:


    Yair Netanyahu in Miami, Florida, USA.
    It must be a tough life on the beach, in the western world, with all the hate against Semites.


    This is from a few months ago, so not the latest figures.

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  60. kaysee kaysee says:

    I wasn’t sure about which group of Semites needed to be defended by businesses and companies in Australia, until I read the article.

    Time for corporate Australia to stand up to anti-Semitism

    And so it was that I found myself wondering the other day: Where is the cohort of leaders from corporate Australia speaking with a consistent and united voice against the anti-Semitism that’s raging like unchecked wildfire throughout our community?

    CEOs against anti-Semitism. Established? Pending. Membership? Zero…..

    Australian Jews are the definition of a minority. October 7 last year was like the lancing of a boil that laid bare just how bad the problem of anti-Semitism has been in Australia for some time. It had been simmering away, largely dismissed. October 7 showed us what lay beneath and how utterly vile it is. How open and vulnerable Australian Jews are, from classroom to boardroom.

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  61. kaysee kaysee says:

    More on that successful Israeli security forces raid that rescued four living hostages from Gaza on June 8.

    This is success:
    The raid
    While rescuing four Israeli hostages, the Israeli army killed three of their own captives in the same attack. One of them holds American citizenship.

    They also killed 274 Palestinians, including 64 children and 57 women.

    Noa Argamani,
    one of the rescued Israeli hostages

    Louis Har
    Former Israeli hostage

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  62. kaysee kaysee says:

    9/11 and Israel

    What is the truth? Who was responsible?
    Some theories that have been posted.



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  63. kaysee kaysee says:

    Some explanations

    Dr Adam Hamawy
    Amputations on children

    Israel’s Control of the UN
    What really happens.

    Bassem Youssef
    It’s ok. Israel will apologise.

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  64. kaysee kaysee says:

    Israel and Public Opinion in June 2024

    The one positive that came out of the Covid scam was that it brought to light many evils that we were unaware of or had ignored including the NWO, the Great Reset, WEF, Bilderberg, UN and WHO.

    One positive that has come out of the Gaza war is that it has opened the eyes of many to the real history behind the crisis in the Middle East.

    During the Covid scam, I found myself on a mission to learn the truth for my own health and well-being – about masks, lockdowns, vaxx and alternative treatments. What I learnt, I shared here on the blog for others to also learn.

    The current Gaza war, which began in October 2023, led me to seek more info. A year ago, I would have classed myself as pro-Israel and anti-Palestine. I had thought that Israel and its government comprised the good guys and Palestine and Palestinians the bad guys.

    But October 2023, along with what has followed in the past 8 months, has been an eyeopener. What I have learnt, and still am learning, I am sharing here. But I am shocked by how it is turning one section of my previous knowledge and opinions upside down.

    While growing up our history books taught us about certain world figures like Hitler as total evil beings. I don’t have new info to indicate that he is some saint, but what I am reading now is making me wonder whether he was completely the bad guy or was there provocation.

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  65. kaysee kaysee says:

    Someone posed this question on twitter:

    What’s the worst take you ever had that you now regret?

    A reply:

    I thought Israel was our ally and Palestines were just terrorist that attacked them for no reason

    If the events of October 7 had not happened, or if Israel had reacted differently, or after a few weeks of retaliation had agreed to a ceasefire, much of the world would have been willing to ignore the conflict. But the actions of Israel over the past eight months have uncovered many truths – not just about the current conflict – but the history going back to almost a century.

    Over this weekend, Ralph Babet posted:

    People who hate western civilisation and judeo christian values should not be able to vote in Australia.

    He got a backlash for that.
    The use of the term judeo Christian.

    Responses included:

    – Judeo-Christian is oxymoron

    – Judeo-Christian is a LIE
    they are completely opposite and antithetical to each other.
    Thanks for confirming you’re yet another ZIONIST CONTROLLED POLITICIAN.

    – Can you name a single ‘Judeo-Christian’ value?

    – No such thing as judeo christian, jews hate Christians and mock Christ, therefore it is not compatible

    – Judeo-Christian is a falacy. They are two entities that fundamentally clash.

    – No such thing as Judeo Christian values… Just christian values

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  66. kaysee kaysee says:


    Is the War in Gaza Turning Israel Into a Pariah State?

    If Israel needed any more evidence that it is rapidly turning into an international pariah because of the Gaza war, International Criminal Court Prosecutor Karim Khan provided it on Monday when he said that he was seeking arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

    A Global Economic Boycott of Israel Gains Traction,
    but the Government Has No Answers

    The world is losing patience with Israel’s conduct in the Gaza war and taking steps – restricting exports, canceling professional confabs, backing down on planned business transactions and so on. Local consumers will suffer

    Arno van Doorn
    (It’s now 8 months)

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  67. mh says:

    Over this weekend, Ralph Babet posted:

    People who hate western civilisation and judeo christian values should not be able to vote in Australia.


    Not having a Twitter account I cannot see what Babet is responding to. Can you tell me?

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  68. kaysee kaysee says:

    To close off this section, let’s talk about Antisemitism – what non Jews are being accused of if they do not support the latest definition of that word.

    This is Jews vs Jews.
    That is Orthodox Jews vs Zionist Jews.

    “You are not a Jew,
    you are not a Jew!”

    Pro-Israel Zionist woman in tears confronts anti-Zionist Jewish people during Pro-palestine protestors in Union Square.

    Anti-Zionist Jews

    Meet the Anti-Zionist Jews whom the Zionists do not want you to know about. Zionists want you to believe that this is a religious conflict, but in reality, it is an ongoing struggle against colonization.

    It would be better if Zionists sorted out the antisemitism within Judaism before calling non Jews antisemitics.

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  69. kaysee kaysee says:

    Not having a Twitter account I cannot see what Babet is responding to. Can you tell me?

    I thought you had a twitter account. It is a great source of news – not as totally “free speech” as Musk makes it out to be, but there is plenty of info that in not available in the MSM.

    Babet is not responding to anything; he was the originator of the topic.

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  70. mh says:

    Babet is not responding to anything; he was the originator of the topic.

    Ok. I thought he may have been responding to Palestine protestors.

    Babet doubles down:

    Senator Babet

    Our nation’s founding document begins with these words:

    “Whereas the people of NSW, VIC, SA, QLD, and TAS humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth….”

    Australia, with it’s Judeo-Christian foundations, represents the best place on earth to live. Australian society and culture has been the beneficiary of Christianity and it must remain that way.

    Just like Israel is a majority Jewish nation, Japan is a majority Shinto/Buddhist nation the United Arab Emirates is majority Islam, Italy is majority Catholic, India is majority Hindu, Australia must remain a majority Christian nation.

    We cannot let the woke left destroy Australia. We must fight to preserve our way of life.

    Ronald Reagan once said “If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.” He was right. The further we depart God’s ways, the further we fall.

    If our country is to be redeemed, we must put Christ first.

    2:58 PM · Jun 11, 2024 · 5,298 Views

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  71. kaysee kaysee says:

    Babet doubles down:

    Have you seen the responses?
    Many of them are Christians and Conservatives. They are angry.

    All the pollies here whether Liberals, Nationals, Labor, Greens, One Nation, Teals, Independents or Other groups are all watching out for their self-interests – their donors, votes and keeping their comfy jobs.

    I hope the likes of Peter Dutton, Pauline Hanson and those who think that by supporting Zionists they have the right-wing votes in the bag, are reading the responses to Ralph Babet’s tweets.

    Hanson and Babet who have been portraying themselves are Conservatives defending Christianity are in for a rude shock.

    Albo, Bandt and others are playing up to their voter bases. They don’t care about anyone.

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  72. kaysee kaysee says:

    Unfortunately, the Orthodox-non Zionist Jews who are not pro-Israel could end up on the receiving end of the anger, even though they are innocent in this. That is why I try to post clips from them, so others can see the difference between Zionist Jews and non-Zionist Jews.

    There are accounts on twitter spouting the Zionist propaganda.
    Some research from this poster led to this

    Sooooo I just found an Israeli bot farm on X. Nearly all the replies are written in the same format. All liked tweets are replies from other bots. All the replies spew Zionist talking points.

    has only 5 views for her response but got 63 likes

    The memes

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  73. mh says:

    Have you seen the responses?
    Many of them are Christians and Conservatives. They are angry.

    No. I don’t have an account. When you don’t sign in, they limit what you see.

    Feel free to post some of the responses.

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  74. kaysee kaysee says:

    Blackmail (?)
    US Politicians

    Bill Clinton



    Rick Wiles
    says American politicians are being blackmailed to support Israel.

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  75. mh says:

    I hope Ralph Babet learns from his audience.

    If he refuses, he should return to his native Mauritius.

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  76. kaysee kaysee says:

    The US is not a powerful ally of Israel.
    The US is governed by Israel.

    The power of AIPAC




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  77. kaysee kaysee says:

    Not just AIPAC but a network of connections




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  78. kaysee kaysee says:

    Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point USA (TPUSA) is currently having a People’s Convention in Detroit, Michigan.
    Conservatives. Free speech. America First.
    Unless you speak out against the powerful ally.

    Nick Fuentes and Jake Shields turned up, but Nick was kicked out.

    Jake Shields gives his reasons for this.

    Nick speaking up after being kicked out

    Question time at TPUSA

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  79. kaysee kaysee says:

    Earlier topic in this thread about whether Palestine existed as a nation/state.

    Some more info



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  80. kaysee kaysee says:

    How powerful is Israeli National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir?

    Biden’s peace plan

    But the Israeli government’s two most prominent far-right members, Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir, made it explicitly clear they reject an immediate ceasefire.

    ‘I will be very happy to live’ in Israeli-occupied Gaza after war

    Ben-Gvir said that when the Gaza war ends, Israel must remain the sole ruler of the enclave. “Only the state of Israel. No one else. A full occupation of Gaza. Israeli control. Jewish settlement,” he said, adding, “But that is not enough. There is another very important, essential step, which is encouraging emigration.”


    Still think the ongoing war is just for the complete annihilation of Hamas?

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  81. kaysee kaysee says:

    It’s time to wind up this thread so a last set of comments today.
    After that, the topic will continue in the Open Threads.

    Israel made public claims that a significant number of UNRWA employees are members of terrorist organisations. But it provided no evidence to support this claim and has made it difficult for aid organisations to supply the basics to the people in Gaza. The aim is to kill by starvation.

    In Gaza
    From the Instagram of UNICEF spokesman James Elder.

    In the West Bank
    US/Palestinian citizen Morgan Totah

    Israel is using food and water as a weapon of ethnic cleansing..

    Israel has cut off ALL Water in West Bank and even though Ramallah is built on 2 of the largest water aquifers they have no access.

    Oil and Gas fields
    The plan

    Israel doesn’t just want the Palestinians land, they want their oil and gas fields.

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  82. kaysee kaysee says:

    Dehumanization of Palestinians Is Being Normalized Among Western Christians,
    Palestinian Analyst Claims

    Khalil Sayegh:
    I’m seeing that dehumanization of the Palestinians is being normalized among a number of my Christians brothers in the West because of their support to Israel, and that causes me great sadness.

    Many of the comments below the article prove what Khalil is saying.
    Christians in the West are blind to the real terrorists in that region. They are harping on about Hamas. They have no understanding or sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians – not even the Palestinian Christians. The most liked comment says:

    Hamas can end this conflict any day it chooses to value the lives of the millions it holds hostage for its own profit more than the wealth it has gained from their exploitation and abuse. The west and Israel care more for the dignity of the Palestinians than Hamas ever has. I hope that the Palestinians will soon be free of Hamas. Whether that is brought about by the conversion of the hearts of Hamas or Hamas’s utter destruction, that is up to Hamas and God.

    If you have been closely following this thread and the others linked to it, along with the evidence, you will be aware of the history of this region. Also, that Hamas has been prepared to negotiate a ceasefire and release hostages, but Israel has blocked it. That Hamas is being used as an excuse to continue the destruction not just of Gaza, but also the move to take over the West Bank.

    Christians in the West are taken in by the propaganda and brainwashing by Zionists, and they support the criminals not the victims.

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  83. kaysee kaysee says:

    Those Palestinian savages.

    Palestinian-Jordanian singer/songwriter Dana Salah sings

    Ya Tal3een
    And this

    Reem Banna
    History of this song

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  84. kaysee kaysee says:

    A scenario

    You are living in a suburb in one of the cities in Australia. Over a century ago, your great-grandfather bought a big plot of land, built a house and lived here with his family. He then passed the house to his son (your grandfather), who then renovated the home and lived there. He in turn passed it to his son (your father), and now it is yours, which you in turn will pass to your children.

    Over the past few decades, immigrants from a particular race have chosen to settle in your suburb and neighbouring ones in the same federal electorate. In fact, these immigrants are so many they have taken over the area which is now dominated by their culture, traditions, language, customs. The remaining white Aussies in the area feel uncomfortable as this no longer seems to be the place they grew up in.

    The immigrants have even suggested that as this is the only electorate in Australia that has people of the same culture living together, the white Aussies should be the ones to move. After all, there are so many neighbouring electorates with white Aussies, so it should be easy for the other electorates to take in their fellow white Aussies.

    Fair enough?

    Would you be willing to pack up 2 suitcases, leave the home built by your great-grandfather and go start all over again in another place in Australia? You’d still be an Australian citizen, but you have to move because the people who came here more than a century after your family, have forced you out of your home and your land?

    Would you do it?

    Why should the Palestinians who have been living in that region for centuries, as records show, have to leave their land? Why should neighbouring Arab nations have to take them in as refugees when they have their own land? Why should the illegal occupiers be allowed to intimidate and drive them out of their lands?

    You wouldn’t meekly walk away from your ancestral home. Would you?

    So in the case of this Israeli- Palestinian conflict, a similar situation,
    who do you support?

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  85. kaysee kaysee says:

    The story of Palestine
    75 years in less than 7 minutes.

    We can only understand the sufferings and persecutions of others – I am referring to the real ones not the woke – when we imagine ourselves in their shoes. We will never fully understand them, but we can, at least, make the effort and work out – with the help of evidence that is available – who are the real victims and who are real the villains.

    There have been some entities who have been pushing their barrow and their biased messaging and reporting of this conflict. I mentioned in one of the comments in this thread, that I would be posing a classic toon from a certain media publication in connection to this Gaza war.

    The person depicted here is not the only one needing to think about and examine the direction of his morality. When it comes to this ongoing conflict related to Palestine, it is also reflection time for each of us.

    We need to hold this up and apply it in context to ourselves.

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